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A68098 A pleasant dialogue, betweene a souldior of Barwicke, and an English chaplaine Wherein are largely handled & laide open, such reasons as are brought in for maintenaunce of popishe traditions in our Eng. church. Also is collected, as in a short table, 120. particular corruptions yet remaining in our saide church, with sundrie other matters, necessary to be knowen of all persons. Togither with a letter of the same author, placed before this booke, in vvay of a preface. Gilby, Anthony, ca. 1510-1585. 1581 (1581) STC 11888; ESTC S109674 76,666 200

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matched together y t one can not be knowne from the other For this is confusion and no good concorde Therfore the Lord commaundeth that wee should not match together vnequall things as the Oxe and the Asse nor to sowe the grounde with diuers seedes nor to weare a garment of linnen wollen All the which things are written to teache vs to beware howe we do mixe matche together thinges that haue no concorde as true and false religion which can haue no more vnitie than light and darkenesse Ephraim may not mixe his religion with the Gentiles saith Hosea No more may the true Ministers of Christe and the Idolatrous priesthood of Antichriste agree together in any wyse The holy Apostle S. Paule hauing regard to such matters writeth thus as was before noted Be not vnequallie yoked with the infidels For what fellowshippe hath light with darkenesse or Righteousnesse with vnrighteousnes What concord hath Christ with Belial or what part hath the beleeuer with the infidell c. Wherfore come out from among them and separate your selues sayeth the Lorde and touche no vncleane thinge So will I receyue you and I will be a Father vnto you and ye shalbe my sonnes daughters saith the Lorde Loe in refusing the fellowshippe in flying from them and touching no vncleane thing of theirs we haue God ready to receaue vs and to shewe himselfe a father vnto vs. Therefore to obtayne this assuraunce we must defie the concorde with the papistes and the amitie with all Idolaters and cause them if it bee possible to turne to vs but we may turne to them in no case For therefore was Ieremiah the Prophet forewarned that he should stande agaynst them like a brasen wall and that he should not feare their faces So ought we to stande agaynste all this Idolatrous geare which yet beareth the marks the names the formes and fashion of the Idolatries and superstitions wherin by that blasphemous Priesthood they were abused And how doe you stande agaynste them Or how doe you flie from them when you are fayne to hyde your selues vnder their Idolatrous Garmentes Or howe can the true Christians be at concorde with them who haue a contrarie commaundemente And what concorde I pray you was there at anytyme betwixt the true and false Prophets as betwixte Michaiah and them of his time Isaiah and them of his tyme Elijah and the Priestes of Baal Eliiah would needes haue his Altars and ceremonies aparte from them and derided their doings aud caused the people to kill them Ieremiah and the clawbackes that then liued had small concorde together Amos and the high Prieste Amaziah were at greate variaunce Paule and his fellow Phariseis had small amitie or concorde together after that hee once came to Christe for they persecuted him in all places and beate him euen at the iudgement seate Finallie this is euident to all Christians that there was no concorde betwixte Christe and the Priestes the Scribes and Phariseyes of his time And are not the Papistes worse than any of these Can wee haue no concorde which are of Christe vnlesse we creepe vnder their Coates and hide vs vnder their Coapes Caps Tippets Yes doubtles in me you shall haue peace sayth Christe Let all Christes faythfull souldiers follow Christ their Captayne therefore in all simplicitie and defie that concorde with Antichrist The daye shall come that oure Christe shall scourge oute these Popishe Chapmen like Dogges then shall these haltinge Neutralles hyde their heades whiche fondly patche Christe his Religion with the Popes and make an Englishe Bishop and an Englishe Prieste of these two orders ioyning fire and water heauen and hell together to make a cōcord And marke the Monkes and Friers those close Maisters that dwell in the Monasteries great Churches which are bounde so straitelie to keepe conformitie in garmentes and thou shalt finde amongst the findes of hel no greater hatred nor more diuelishe discord Now contrariwise these poore persecuted men keepe concord so much as in thē lieth with all men and followe the rule of Augustine which is that whosoeuer as farre as he is able doth correct that whiche is amisse or that which he can not correct without disturbance doth exclude it or that which hee can not peaceablie shut forth yet with his equitie and well doing doeth disalowe it such a man is peaceable and free from the curse And this in very deede is the office of all true Preachers when they can doo no more yet to reforme them selues by their vprightnes to giue example vnto others Bern. Well Myles I do warne thee as a friende to beware what part thou takest for my Lords the Bishoppes and the other Prelates that weare this geare doo counte you all Schismatikes because yee departe from them and if ye will not returne to cōcord and agree with them they wil trounce you all They will not lose their credite nor yeelde to a sorce of beggers Mil. Thus Christ alwayes his poore little ones are despised of the worlde they neuer feele the power of fayth that stand vpon their honour and credite and we depart not from them but from their popish trashe But we reuerence them and woulde fayne ioyne with them to the furtheraunce of the Gospell notwithstanding y t in this pointe we can not allowe them as also we haue testimonie of them selues that herein they mislike their owne doings And wee aske this question of them with what assuraunce of conscience they do departe from the simplicitie in Christe wherein they liued with vs heretofore to take vnto thē agayne these knowne liueries of Antichrist As also how they wil aunswere at the day of iudgement this spoyle of our Preachers and this stopping of the course of Gods Gospell why they do oppose them selues striue against vs who in their owne conscience doo seeke to banishe the Romane Antichriste and all his relikes forth of Christes Church which is both their and our duties And therefore we do admonishe them in the Lorde that they doe not departe from Christe and his members neither separate those from their companies whose doctrine they know and confesse to bee sincere whose life also they cannot reprooue So neyther they nor wee shall bee founde schismatikes but wee both shall come to the true concorde whereof we are assured whilest we drawe nearer nearer to Christe and flie further and further from Antichriste a greate deale of whose drosse and tirannie lieth yet hid in their Courts Coates and Titles and tirannical oppression of their brethren We desire a concorde in Christ with you all but not without Christ in veritie but not in poperie And we doe marueile howe you dare departe from the libertie and simplicitie that Christ taughte his schollers to vse in the ministerie and sacraments to this seruile slauerie to be bound to Antichristes traditions to cause y e poore people to think that the supper of the Lord cannot
simplicitie and sinceritie of Christes Gospell Agayne O ye politike Gentlemen you are marueiloustie deceaued in this point of policie that you woulde haue the truth to creepe in by little and little a little in a lōg time as the snaile creepeth or the Serpent because that after suche a flie sorte came in Poperie superstition and errors For truth and error are of a nature farre contrarie for if we doc not receaue the truth and imbrace it readily and openly professe it at once the longer we tarrie the more are wee in daunger to lose it Violentirapiunt illud the violent plucke it vnto them by force Wisedome crieth and thou wilt not heare but makest a mock thereat she will laugh at thy destruction and mock when thy feare commeth Thou shalt call but she will not answere Thou shalt seke hir early but thou shalt not finde her And I pray you must Antichrist so sitte in Christian mens consciences that they shoulde make any delay to receaue Christ purely and at all tymes and defie all the inuentions of Antichriste Or can men say for shame that they abhorre that blasphemous Priesthoode of Antichrist vnlesse they abhorre all the parts and the appurtenaunces thereof garments gestures and ceremonies Is he a true Christian man that doth tarry thirtie or fortie yeares to see whether the world will change or no before that he will chaunge from the traditions of Antichrist Or is he a faythfull seruaunte to his Lord or Mayster that doth think himself honoured and not dishonoured with the wearing of the liuerie of the manifest enemie to his Lorde and Maister Is he a good naturall brother that resoyseth to go in the same disguised garmēts with the murtherers of his brethren and wherein yet his brethren are persecuted Or is he a louing sonne to his Father that will make himselfe like the mockers of his father and decke his body with that attire wherein his father was customably derided Nay doubtlesse if wee either loue Christ or hate Antichrist if we eyther loue God or his true Ministers or beare any affection towards our persecuted brethrē we must bee more zealous Wherefore after that it hath bin nowe for a long space preached againste these relikes of the Romane Antichrist they ought vtterly to bee abolished and abhorred As the Apostles after that they had preached in Antioche did playnly forbid the filthinesse of Idols And if the higher powers will not do it yet they that haue knowledge and haue preached against such filthinesse ought by their deedes to confirme their wordes and to keepe their own bodies pure frō such superstitions as they blame in others and they that haue bin conuerted from Idolatrie and superstion haue done this at all times Surelie it is a taken of great weaknesse of faith that men are so slacke to abolishe these Idolatrous garmentes And much more weakenesse appeareth when the Preachers themselues do maintaine by their doinges that which their wordes denieth Furthermore wee doo see the fruites of faith verie slenderly to appeare amongest the greatest mainteyners of this hypocriticall geare and that all thinges do proceede more liuelie both in fayth and in manners where the weedes of Poperie are vtterlie abolished And surelie if wee rightly consider it we ought not to beare w t nor to suffer any token of Antichrist any more than Moses Ioshua or Iosiah did of the olde Idolaters because there may be no concorde no agreement no cōmunion no partaking betwixt Christe and Antichriste the faythfull and the infidell God and the Diuell For whilest the Gospellers doo vse such popishe trashe they confirme the ignoraunt in theyr errours and thei comforte the maintainers of such fooleries and they hurte the faith of the weake All this is to prouide for your owne quietnesse your owne safeties your owne bellies For many of you woulde else doe otherwise yea and priuately will not stick to wishe them at the Diuell And thus doe you gratifie Christes enemies and such as are but shrinkers traitors vnto Christs cause For doubtlesse there can none other but such striue and contende so bitterly for y e retayning of any popish trifles Although I doe graunt that some of simplicitie or for the wante of the true zeale of Gods glorie may for a space beare with such apish toyes But to depriue to spoile of their liuinges and liberties any one faythfull preacher for the refusing of these doth declare playnelie that there is no loue of Gods worde nor of Gods Messengers And this may iustly bring Gods wrath vppon all the commaunders and consenters therevnto but especially vpō the Lordly Bishops the procurers and executioners of such commaundments which they should cheefely repulse to defend the faythfull Preachers though it were with the losse of theyr liuinges and their liues O Bishops are yee not in this poynte those seruauntes whome the Mayster of the housholde hath appointed to giue meate to their fellow Seruauntes in due season and they like euill seruauntes neyther will giue them foode themselues as they ought to do I speak of the chief persecutors nor suffer such as would to doe it but smite their fellow seruauntes whiche woulde fayne feede Christes flock taking part themselues with them that are drunken with popish traditions with the adulterers open and knowne enimies to Christe and his Gospell Doth not our Maister Christ speake of such saying The Mayster of that Seruaunte will come in a day when hee looketh not for him and giue him his portion with Hypocrites there shal be weeping and gnashing of teeth Repent ye proude Prelates and ioyne handes once agayne with your poore persecuted Brethren to roote oute all poperie or else your fall will bee perilous Bern. I tell thee man thou art so hote and raging that I am wearie of thy talke But if thou wilte reade Mayster Examinators Booke it wil calme thy warlike spirites Mil. If a Souldier ought to be hote and earnest for his Captaine and his Coūtrey I knowe my Captaine is Christe and my Countrey is aboue for the which I can not be to zealous And as for the Sophistrie proude wordes that your Maister bringeth against the London Ministers thei can not beguyle me And I suppose that his examinatiō is examined alreadie And if mē may be permitted to examine it by Gods booke it will soone be founde faultie Bern. Well yet me thinke that he hath one argument that the Ministers must all be in like garments for concorde amitie which can not be aunswered Mil. It is the likenes of maners not of garmentes that maketh concorde and vnitie sayeth Cicero And Paule requireth of the Ministers like doctrine A man and his wife need not to be put in one garment neither may they so be though in them be required most perfect amitie Much lesse needeth the Lambe and the Wolfe the sheepe and the Butcher the Christian and the Papist the loyterer and the labourer to be so