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A44973	An humble apology for non-conformists with modest and serious reflections on the Friendly debate and the continuation thereof / by a lover of truth and peace.	Norton, John, 1606-1663.	1669 (1669)	Wing H3402; ESTC R20176	79,882	174

of Rom. 2.22 ●y Dr. Featly an Episcopal Doctor and a Reve●●nd man a great Sufferer for his Majesty in the ●te times That of Ezek. by Dr. Richardson Bi●hop of Ardagh in Ireland a person of great Lear●ing and worth and that in Genesis by Mr. Leigh ●ho was Sub-Dean of Chester As for the As●embly when they sat and acted as an Assembly ●●en in those days they did dare to condemn ●●mony and Sacriledge both as Sins against the se●ond Commandment as you may read in the ●●rger Catechism and they cite those two Scriptures for the proof thereof Romans 2.22 Malachy 3.8 And as these were their Principles against the Alienation of Church-Means so they made it their business to preserve the Lands and Revenues of the Church from Spoil and Rapine The Bishops Temporalties were engaged fo● great Sums of Money before ever the Assembly met and I never heard that the Parliament advised with the Assembly about the sale of them Yet this is certain that the Tythes belonging to the Bishops were kept unsold and reserved fo● the Churches use and all the Dean and Chapters Lands left untouched even by that Parliament which if over any Was the Presbyterian Parliament until their Members were seized on secluded imprisoned and driven away b● the Army They were not Friends to the Hierarchy if we believe Dr. Heylin in his Cyp. Ang● who designed the buying in of all Impropriations and if we credit Dr. Fuller in fifty year they would have bought them all in And in after times when great Attempts were made t● sell the Tythes and Glebe Lands it was withstood zealously and effectually for it was prevented under God chiefly by the means of the Presbyterians and their Friends in the City and Country To conclude will you have Mr. Kno● the Fore-man of the Presbyterians his Judgement about Sacriledge For John Knox as sait● Archbishop Spotswood 't is clear by his Sermons and Writings still extant that he held it a point of high Sacriledge to rob and spoyl the Church of Tythes Quest Is it not very pride self-conceitedness humour peevishness yea and very obstinacy that occasions their Non-conformity Answ Some of the Nonconformists of old and of late have offered to purge themselves by Oath from so great Crimes in the Case And others have in the Pulpit in their Farewel Sermons protested the contrary and that it was meet Conscience of Duty and fear of Sin which caused their Inconformity Quest Are the Nonconformists justly compared to the Pharises See Cont. p. 138. Answ No The Pharisees in our Saviours time were great Zealots and Sticklers for the Ceremonies of the Jewish Religion and particularly for mens Traditions and Humane Inventions were high Conformists themselves men in Power and Place in the Church and great Haters and Persecutors of the Nonconformists of their times Quest Can any man that is not either very simple or very scrupulous question any thing in the publick Worship in the Liturgy or Ceremonies Is not the Liturgy so perfect that nothing can be added to it or taken from it Answ It was not always so Time was and that but in the year 1644. when learned Mr. Chillingworth preaching before King Charles the First at Reading used these words At what time soever a Sinner doth repent him of his Sins from the bottom of his heart I will put all his wickedness out of my remembrance saith the Lord saith thus The plain truth if you will hear it is The Lord hath not said so these are not the very words of God but the paraphrase of men and by reason of the mistake to which it is subject I fear very often a pernicious paraphrase The Right Reverend the Bishops have done very well to remove this stumbling block at the beginning of the Liturgy O that they would go on to remove out of the way every thing that offends That the Lessons out of the Apocrypha-Books might be either exchanged altogether for the Canonical Scripture or at least reduced to that small number that was appointed in the late Scottish Liturgy where were appointed onely two Chapters out of the Apocrypha one out of Ecclesiasticus the other out of the Book of Wisdom That the new Translation of the Psalms might be read as well as of the Epistles and Gospels That the three Ceremonies the Cross in Baptism the Surplice and Kneeling at the Sacrament whether nocent or innocent night be removed out of this as out of divers other Reformed Churches by means of the Bishops Mediation with his Majesty and the Parliament on that behalf as was thought advisable by the Sub-Committee for Religion whereof the Bishop of Lincoln had the Chair and Bishop Brownrig Dr. Holsworth Bishop Hacket c. were Members Or at least that the use of them might be free according to his Majesties gracious Declaration about Ecclesiastical Affairs I wish that of my Lord Verulam might be always sounding in the Ears of the Fathers and the Sons and Daughters of the Church till they give ear to it That a contenti●us retaining of Custom is a turbulent thing as ●ell as Innovation Methinks 't is as possible for Nonconformists and Conformists to be reconciled ●s for the Church of England to be reconciled with Rome and yet that great learned Bishop Bramhal thought that not altogether impossible ●upposing saith he that something from whence Offences either given or taken which whether right 〈◊〉 wrong do not weigh half so much as the Unity of Christians were put out of Divine Offices which ●ould not be refused if animosities were taken away Bramh. of Sch. p. 280. To this let me add that Golden Saying of Mr. Hales in his little piece ●f Schism Prayer Confession Thanksgiving Reading of Scripture Administration of Sacraments 〈◊〉 the plainest and simplest manner were matter ●ough to furnish out a Liturgy though nothing ei●her of private Opinion or of Church Pomp of ●arments or prescribed Gestures of Imagery or Musick of matter concerning the Dead of many superfluities which creep into the Church under the name of Order and Decency did interpose it self Quest Is there any thing that can reasonably or modestly be desired to be amended or bettered in the managery of the Ecclesiastical Government or Discipline Answ The Rubrick before the Commination in the Liturgy supposes it desirable that the Primitive Discipline used in the beginning of Lent might be restored when notorious Sinners were put to open penance Is nothing amiss saith my Lord Bacon Can any man defend the use of Excommunication as a bare process to lacquey up and down for Duties and for Fees it being the greatest Judgement next unto the General at the la●● day Lord Bacon his Discourse about Church-Affairs p. 32. And might we not say That it seems liable to exception that Chancellors and Commissaries and Officials persons not in holy Orders should have power of Excommunication I have read indeed that the French King hath the power of Excommunication but it may be

you would be pleased to reflect upon your self and to ask your self these few Questions Quest 1. Whether or no you might not with as much reason and more charity have produced Testimonies out of the Large Annotations Printed in the year 1651. to clear Nonconformists from temporizing and conniving at Sacriledge as you have done the Omissions you charge them withal in the Edition of 1646 to prove them guilty And sure I am if you had pleased to search you might have found in the Last Edition their dislike of Sacriledge in their Notes on Prov. 20.25 It is a snare to the man who devoureth that which is holy That is say the Annotations to apply it or take it to his own use which was appointed to Gods yea to go about to do it by inquiring how the Vow might be made void As also on Acts 5.1 in the case of Ananias and Sapphira they declare plainly and fully against Sacriledge as followeth The scope of this History is to shew how odious to God that perfidiousness is which counterfeiting Sanctity would impose upon God as if He saw not what men do for otherwise Ananias giving a part had been commendable so great a mischief is Hypocrisie so dangerous the perversion of an Holy purpose and the with-drawing of things Consecrated to the Churches use though by himself who gave that the Sacriligious perished by detaining a part of that whole which he would seem to give If he that taketh from the Church but a little of that which was his own be Sacriligious struck dead for the same what punishment will the same Divine Justice lay on him who by fraud or violence taketh away the Possessions wherewith other men endowed the Church And upon Rom. 2.22 to that Question which some make why the Apostle doth vary the crime saying Thou that abhorrest Idols dost thou commit Sacrilege and not rather dost thou commit Idolatry They give this Answer for one That the Apostle useth an aggravation as if he should say Thou that abhorrest Idols dost thou commit a worse sin to wit Sacrilege Quest. 2. Whether Dr. Sherlock in his Visitation Sermon pag. 7 8 9. Preached at Warrington May 11. and Printed at London with an Imprimatur June 9. 1669. charging all Conformists who pray before and after Sermon any Prayers besides those of the Publick Liturgy as guilty of sacrilegiously breaking their Vows and Promises may not as justly be urged against Conformists as Mr. Case his Complaint against Covenant-breaking be urged against Nonconformists to prove them transgressors of the 3d Commandment in the main sence and meaning of it Q. 3. Whether it may not as reasonably be desired that the Conformists should be agreed about the Rule and Standard of Conformity before others be pressed to come up to it as to require that the Nonconformists should be all agreed what will satisfie them before any condescentions may be desired for or granted to them Are the Old Canons Law or are they not Are the Canons made in the Synod 1640 Law or not Must we read Second Service at the Communion Table or must we not Must we pray before Sermon or must we only bid or exhort the People to Pray Q. 4. Whether they are not to be reputed Nonconformists who go beyond the law do more then is required who use other Rites Ceremonies then the Act of Uniformity injoyns as well as those that fall short of doing some things by law required Q. 5. Whether it may not well become our Spiritual Fathers and Brethren of the Church to yield a little in things indifferent to the weakness of those suppose they be in an error who really scruple the lawfulness of them and who are ready to take a solemn Oath that they would Conform if they could but be once convinced that by their Obedience to mans Ordinances they should not disobey the Laws of God Q. 6. Whether what was said done or Printed in times of War ought to be remembered and produced in Evidence in times of Peace after a most solemn Act of Oblivion and Indempnity Q. 7. Whether it was seasonable when His most Excellent Majesty and the Parliament at the last Session had under Consideration some Expedient for Union and Reconciliation for a Minister of the Gospel of Peace of a professed large Charity to Print and publish such Books as might rationally be thought might prove to be Obstructions in the way of Accommodation Q. 8. Whether there be not as much evidence of Charity Modesty Meekness and Moderation in Mr. Corbet his Two Pieces as in the Three Parts of the Friendly Debate Q. 9. Why you are pleased to charge the Nonconformists with so much rigor severity against Dissenters formerly without remembring that the Archbishop of Armagh and Bishop Brownrig were Publick Preachers in the Inns of Court in those times or that the present Bishop of Worcester then Bishop of Oxford enjoyed a good Parsonage and that the greatest part of the now Conformists in England had publick Imployment in those times Q. 10. Whether you think that the late Assembly of Divines at Westminster whereof Dr. Reynolds Dr. Twisse Mr. Gattaker Dr. Tuckney Dr. Arrowsmith Mr. Herle Mr. Vines Mr. Anthony Burgess and others were members consisted of Persons of so inconsiderable and contemptible Parts Piety or Learning as is represented now a-dayes And whether the present Nonconformists such as Dr. Owen Mr. Baxter Dr. Manton Dr. Conant Dr. Bates Dr. Goodwin Dr. Dillingham c. are really such Ignoramusses as some of your Zelots would have the world imagine them to be Q. 11. Whether Dr. Heylins History of Presbytery doth not wound the Reformation through the sides of the Presbyterians Q. 12. Whether if the Nonconformists Confessions in their Prayers may be produced in Evidence against them How the Sons and Daughters of the Church will appear Innocent who are taught after every Commandment read by the Mister to say and pray Lord have mercy upon us and incline our hearts to keep this Law Q. 13. Whether if His Majesty and the Parliament would be graciously pleased to leave the use of the Three Ceremonies of our Church as indifferent as the Canons in 1640 do the Ceremony of Bowing towards the East or Altar That Rule of Charity might not be still observed namely That those which use these Ceremonies should not despise them that use them not and that those who use them not condemn not those that use them Q. 14. Who hath thriven most and prospered best the Spaniard with his Inquisition or the Hollander with his Toleration And now having desired you to ask your self these Questions Give me leave to reflect upon my self too and to consider what I have done I say not What I have written I have written but rather if I have written any thing which shall he truly interpreted Seditious or Schismatical or which is justly offensive to any of my Superiors Inferiors or Equals in Church or State I humbly beg Pardon and Conclude desiring you and all my Brethren Conformists and Non-conformists to joyn in that good Prayer Give Peace in our time O Lord. FINIS