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A65022 A vindication of Mr. VVeld wherein, the case between him and his opposers, is truely stated, and the church-way of Christ soberly asserted. In answer to the aspersions most unworthily cast upon him by Mr. James Cole, Tho: Potts, Tho: Arrowsmith, George Johnson, and Ralph Clavering, (an ill recompence of all his faithfull endeavours for their eternall good) and themselves manifested to the world what spirits they are of. By a friend to truth, and an enemy to lyes. By a friend to truth, and an enemy to lyes. 1658 (1658) Wing V484; ESTC R219234 19,875 30

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And doe ye who are so far from the shew of godlinesse disdaine to be called loose Stones I tell you It● a title too good a terme too high for such as are but mi●● and ●lay yea rotten bones and Straw fit for the D●ugh●ll Isay 10. 6. Isay 25. 10. Ezek. ●7 1. 2. As for that scornfull reproach they cast upon Mr. Weld as counting himselfe a Corner Stone it were horrid presumption for him or any man so to doe that terme being proper to Christ himselfe Psal 118. 22. 1 Cor. 3. 11. John 3. 10 and far from the spirit of Mr. Weld I le onely say of them as it s spoken of a man of th●ir own cut That he prated against the Apostles with malitiou● words so doe they against his faithfull Ministers But as S●l●mon saith Pro. 10. 10. A pra●ing fo●le shall f●ll Tenthly But they with much patie●ce and moderation besought Mr. Weld c. pag. 20. Ans If shewing their teeth if spitting fire if reviling and if turning back upon him when he was answering of them and con●incing of them I● these things speak patience and modera●●on then have they bin ●ull of thes● graces B●t oh that th●y kn●w what patience and moderation mean 〈…〉 leave thus to commend themselves when no g●o● 〈…〉 kno●s them wil● can or da●e doe i● El●venthly See how fit for the Sacraments these men are fo● be●ides all their injurious ungratefull and malitious de●ling agai●st Mr. Weld and the many gro●●e lyes and slanders that run all along through the veines of t●i● poo● Book and be●ides the scandals in their lives all which or any of which were enough to bar them from the Sacrament I say b●●ide● all these doe but take notice of their p●ofound ignorance sh●wen in this Pamph●et the naming whereof is conviction en●ugh viz. As first That the Sacrament should be A●ministred to all without di●tinction pag. ●0 Second●y Th●t all in generall for it s taken by them pro ●●●●esso ●re qu●lified for the Sacrament pag. ●1 Thirdly Th●t every Minister ass●ming a Pastorall Charge ought to administer the Sacrament to all by the Lawes of God a●d m●n Fourthly That there is abo●e 1000 godly people in Gateshead ●or ●uc● as hun●er and thi●st after ri●hteousnesse are g●atious ●a● 5. 6. Mat. 5. 3. Psal 63. 2. Isay 63 2. and th●s ●hey ●ffi●me of a●ove a thousand soules in this Parish Fif●h●y Th●● the Sacraments are the most transcendently effe●tu●●l instrum●●ts for redeeming us from all iniquity and sin p. 17. oh the grosse ignorance and Popery for this is onely applycable to the blood of Christ and never attributed to the Sacraments Ephes 1. 7. John 1. 17. Titus 2. 14. Now if these men be not onely profane but so grosse headed that they cannot discerne these common truths which are obvious to every eye that is open how are they able to discerne the Lords Body which is more spirituall for want of which they eate their own damnation yet they cry out for it and Mr. Weld must be hated reviled and reproached because he will not give it That which follows is a second Answer to the Booke by another Hand HAving Read a Pamphlet lately put forth in the name of the Parish of Gateshead signed by the foure Church-wardens and Ralph Clavering who by the Pen of some Episcopall Spirit have in a vain vaunting stile heaped up very many calumnies and judging them so many Arguments for promiseuous Parochyall Administrations against the Congregationall Church-way I was provoked in my spirit both for the just Vindication of the holy wayes of Christ and for the clearing of the name of that much wronged though very usefull servant of the Lord Jesus Mr. Weld to discover the sinfull pleas of that vain painted Pamphlet I shall onely apply my selfe to that part of the Book which consists of twelve Sections and fourteen Quaeries considering that the other part being matter of fact is faithfully and fully answered before In the enterance into the Sections you have this Title Diotrephes or Altare contra Altare It s well known to any that have Read Smectymnum against Bishop Hall or any other Presbyterian Writers about that place of the 3 of Iohn 8. 9. that Diotrephes was not blamed for giving the Brethren their liberty in Church-votes purchased by the death of Christ nor denying those that were no Church-●embers the peculiar rites of Ch●rches but for usurping preheminence above his Brethen not that I conceive the Presbyterians grant th● Brethren a Vote but to cleare the ignorant app●ication of that Title to Mr. Weld by them that pretend pag. 8. to know the judgement of all L●arned Divines And for Altare contra Altare would they have their old Episcopall Altar up again the book smels ranke of that designe but let them know That as the gathering of the Saints into a body is no setting up an Altar but building an hous● for Christ so their Altar was long agoe destroyed at the pulling downe of Episcopacy they knew who made it a place of lim● and rubbish since In the first Section you have them asserting three things First Their being loth to perish tamely Secondly How Master Weld hath raysed their spleene Thirdly What great attainments they have reach● in the mysteries of the Gospel and Divine Grace and that upon account of their Baptisme To the two first I might justly Answer by way of Exclamation Why will you dye and why will you dye in a rage must you needs dye of the spleene Friends when you come to dye c●ll to mind that it is not the want of Sacraments will be your ruine for you would but have eate and dranke your own damnation if you had them in the frame you are in your ignorance of Christ and opposition to him will be your ruine if the Lord doe not change your hearts For the third Y●u● gle●●i●g in y●ur attainments First you say you are Proselytes of justice Doe you know what you say or whe●eof you affirme Reade the description of Proselytes of justice in Scripture and then judge what you have said they were such as Cornelius and the E●●uch they were devou● men Acts 2. 5. ch 10. 2. 7. ●en fearing God Acts 13. 16. religious men Acts 13. 43. Now Reader if thou knowest the●e men judge whether they be such Proselytes As for the seven Precepts of Noah given to the Proselytes of the ga●e I wish they either understood them or practised them but pretenders will be high flowne But they speake of warmth and gleames of grace that they have had take heed of lying to the holy Ghost what means so much power of the stony heart and profane life if there have been such meltings of Divine Grace please not your selves with words grace is a transforming thing 2. The second Section cryes up the old Laws of England for promiscuous Administrations as if the house of Christ in Church work in times of reformation must be squa●ed and govern'd by old