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A84830 Truth's defence against the refined subtilty of the serpent held forth in divers answers to severall queries made by men (called ministers) in the North. Given forth by the light and power of God appearing in George Fox and Richard Hubberthorn Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F1970; Thomason E724_12; ESTC R207270 97,279 111

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did not mencion any Water to his Disciples when he sent them forth but bade them teach the People all things whatsoever he had commanded them and sayd he was with them to the end of the world in this Query I see thy intent thou wouldst have a Cloak to hold up thy beastical Tradicions which never were commanded thou Eenemy of God and with thy carnal Tradicions and beggerly Rudiments thou art full of Earth pleading for the earthly Tradicions and Commandments and keepest poor People in ignorance and blindness in those things God never commanded and here the Plagues of God are added to thee who addest to the Prophecy written in this Book Rev. 2● 19. 22 Query When Christ commanded his Apostles to baptize all Naci●●s where do you finde Children excepted Answ In thy Query before thou askedst whether Christ did command his Disciples to baptize with Water now thou sayst in thy next Query when Christ commanded his Apostles to baptise all Nacions here thou full of all subtlety who layest Snares and art taken in thy Snare What hast thou to do to talk of Christs Baptism or the Apostles seeing thou walkest contrary to them all and with them wouldst make a Cloak to hold up another thing which Christ never commanded as to sprinkle Infants for sayth he Believe and be baptized to the washing away of sin which thou art full of and livest in first they were to be preached to and to come to repentance and to believe and be baptized but thou dark Sot what is this to thee in maintaining of the sprinkling of Infants with a little Water who understand nothing all thy Baptism I do utterly deny they are excepted thou and all are excepted but the seed and the Promise is to the seed not of seeds as of many but one Gal 3. 16 he that hath an Ear to hear let him hear but thou art dead in thy sins and uncircumcised in heart and knowest no Baptism but the sprinkliug of Infants which Christ never commanded and livest in the lust of thy ignorance having thy understanding darkned being alienated from the life of God art a stranger from the covenant of Promise a child of disobedience who the wrath of God abides upon Eph. 2. 12 23 Query Whether was not Christ baptied with Water who was above both Faith and Repentance Answ Thou Hypocrite what is this to thee to the sprinkling of Infants with Water who are neither come to Faith nor Repentance who thirty or forty years after dost tell them of Faith and Repentance who knowest neither thy self and what hast thou to do to talk of Jesus who went out of the Water Matth. 3. 16. and so the Heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God Mark 1. 9 10. but this makes thee never the wiser in thy fleshly understanding for thy curious minde and fleshly understanding is to be destroyed before thou come to know this Baptism for thou art in the nature of Herod that queryed for the Childe to see him that he might worship him but would have destroyed him but for the simple ones sakes have I discovered thee and made thee bare and naked 24 Query Whether did not Christ institute his last Supper with Bread and Wine Answ Christ doth not speak of Bread and Wine but he took Bread and brake it and sayd it was his Body and he took the Cup when he had given thanks he gave it to them and they did drink all of it and he sayd unto them This is my Bloud of the New Testament which is shed for many Mark 14. ●3 and this I have witnessed and we witness the breaking of the Bread which is his Body and drinking the Cup which is his Bloud Luke 22. 17 20. for weare many Members and but one Body but the Cup which thou drinkest we do deny for thy Cup is the Cup of Devils and thy Table is the Table of Devils 1 Cor. 10. 16 17 21. which is an Idol and Imitacion and thy Sacrifice is to Devils and not to God and as the Apostle sayd I would not you have fellowship with Devils 1 Cor. 10. 20. for do not Drunkards meet at thy Table and Swearers cursed Speakers and Fighters and who follow all manner of filthy pleasures and Idolaters and Covetous who live in all manner of Pride and filthiness and these are thy Companions and thy fellowship at thy Table and what hast thou to do to talk of the Cup of Christ who sits at the Table of Devils and drinks the Cup of Devils 1 Cor. 10. 21. 25 Query Whether did not Paul administer the Lords Supper to the Corinthians with Bread and Wine Answ Thou carnal Sot where did the Apostle give to the Corinthians Bread and Wine did not the Apostle say The Cup of blessing which we bless is it not the Communion of the Bloud of Christ the Bread which we break is it not the Communion of the Body of Christ ● Cor. 10. 16 17. for we being many are one Bread and one Body for we are all Partakers of that one Bread we witness this who cannot drink the Cup of Devils nor sit at their Table where thou dost for it is forbidden 1 Cor. 10. 21. 26 Qu. Of what concernment is it to others and how long to continu in the Church seeing the Apostle sayth As oft as you eat of this Bread and drink of this Cup you shew forth the Lords death till he come Answ Thou desi●est to know of what concernment it is to others He that eateth and drinketh not discerning the Lords Body eateth and drinketh Domnacion to himself untill the Lord come 1 Cor 11. 29. Thou askest how long it shall continu in the Church this Bread and this Cup doth continu for ever in the Church it is so As oft as they eat of this Bread and drink of this Cup they shew forth the Lords Death till he come 1 Cor. 11. 26. but Friend what hast thou to do to talk of this who art in the generacion of them that were Enemies to Christ holding up the chief Priests which sought to put him to death who perswaded the multitude against him Matth 26 59 and who perswaded the Rulers against him Iohn 11 53 so do all thy Priests now where he is made manifest and in that Church thou art as thou callest it and of the same nature of them who ever sought to destroy the just This Cup thou never tastedst of nor of the Bread but they were them that were gathered off from the Priests and from the Temple whom this was spoken to for these were Figures of the substance but Friend all thy Imitacions and Priests and Suppers and Bread and Wine is an Imitacion an Image which is the likeness of a thing which the Lord forbids Thou shalt not make to thy self any graven Image nor the likeness of any thing and thou that eatest and drinkest not discerning the Lords Body eatest and drinkest Damnacion to thy self 1
thou hast shewed forth thy ignorance not to discern the Lords Body and to be of them that would make a division in the Body that is spoken of in the Scripture for the Body of Christ is but one as it is written being many members yet one Body 1 Cor. 12. 20. and Christ is the Head and Members of this Body and liveth in it I in thee and thou in me that they may be one as thou Father art in me and I in thee Iohn 27. he that can receive it let him but thou art he who doth not discern the Lords Body therefore thou eatest and drinkest damnacion to thy self 1 Cor. 11. 29. and to thee it is a mystery and damnacion thou must know and with that Eye thou shalt never see it for it is evill as Herods was who sought after the Child to worship him but would have slain him Matth. 2. 13. he that raiseth the Body he is the judg of the world in flames of fier and in flaming fier and in vengeance shalt thou know and in judgment 2 Thes 1. 7. 8. who art without in the world querying about his body who is the Resurrection John 11. 25. and in this Query thou hast shewed forth thy dark mind which is full of Confusion and thy self to be ignorant of the Body of Christ and with thy fleshly understanding which is for destrukcion thou wouldst know it and this minde which hath asked this Question but the Righteousness of Faith speaks on this wise not to say to fetch Christ from above or descnd into the deep that is to bring up Christ again from the dead But what sayth it the word is nigh thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart that is the word of Faith which wee preach Rom. 10. 6. 7. 8. wherein thou hast showed thy self that gavest forth these Queries that you never heard this word of Faith preached to you and he is the Head and the Saints are the Body Eph. 4. 15. and in him we live who sit with Christ in heavenly places Eph. 2. 6. and his body is but one and he lives in it for ever whom the Heavens must receive untill the time of Restitucion of all things Acts 3. 21. but you dark Sots this is a mystery to you as Christ is who is the Head of the Body and this Body of Christ which thou desirest to know thou shalt never know nor see for thou art for judgment and condemnacion ordained of Old Iude 13. and in darkness thou livest who art dead in Sins and Trespasses Eph. 2. 1. and who art querying after Christ whether he be a particular Person showing forth the same minde that was in the Iewes who knew not Christ but queried whether he was the Carpenters Son or no Math. 13. 55. who was not born by the will of man and is born now but not by the will of man him you know not nor cannot se Iohn 1 13. nor believe where he is made manifest and he is but one in all his Saints who is their Head Rom. 7 4. and their Life who comes into the World from above and redeemes and makes free from Sin and the Law with the Body of Christ he that hath an Eare may hear to us it is plainness who are in the Gate and Fold but to you it is a mystery who live in the mystery a● Iniquity who are without the Gate and Christ is the Resurrection and the Judg Iohn 11. 25. that shalt thou finde when he comes upon thee to render vengance in flames of fier Iohn 5 22. who art a Childe of Disobedience 2 Query With what Bodies shall the Saints arise with and dwell and live in for ever shall there be given to every particular Saint a particular Body Answ Whereas thou wouldst know with what Body the Saints shall arise In that Body which Christ doth live in for he is the Saviour of the Body he is the Head of the Body he is the Resurrection and the Life of the Body and his Body is but one So wee are many members yet one Body Cor. 12. 20. and here thou hast showed thou dost not discern the Lords Body but art under the Damnacion Thou Fool whereas thou wouldst know whether there shall be given to every particular Saint a particular Body and with what Bodies they shall arise as they said in the Corinthians with what Bodies shall they come and how should the dead be raysed Paul makes answer Thou fool that which thou sowest is not quickened except it die and that which thou sowest thou sowest not that Body that shall be but bare grain it may chance of Whear or of some other grain but God giveth it a Body as it hath pleased him and to every seed his own Body All flesh is not the same flesh but there is one kind of flesh of Men another flesh of Beasts another of Fishes and another of Birds there are also Celestiall Bodyes and Bodies Terrestiall but the glory of the Celestial is one and the glory of the Terrestiall is another There is one glory of the Sun another glory of the Moon and another glory of the Stars for one Star differeth from another Star in glory So also is it in the Resurrection of the dead if thou hast an Eare thou mayst hear but thou Fool art never the wiser here but thou art a Conjurer and livest in Conjuracion Ier. 27. 9. Zach. 10. 2. 3 Query With what Bodies shall the wicked arise with natural or spirituall Answ With thy corrupt naturall spirituall wickedness to Condemnacion with that Body doth the wicked arise that thou livest in thou Enimy of God shalt finde it and the Eye in thee shall see destruction and eternall Condemnacion who queriest with what Bodies the wicked shall arise thou art risen high in thy spirituall wickedness Ephes 6. 12. who livest in the corrupt nature and high art thou risen in it whose Judgment is appearing and Judg stands at the door and lingers not whose damnacion slumbers not 2 Pet. ● 3. If thou hast an Eare thou mayst hear and there read thy Porcion and thy Answer to the Query 4 Query Whether is there or shall there be a Locall Place of Heaven and Hell to be inhabited and dwelt in for the Saints to enjoy and the Wicked to suffer in with their Bodyes And how shall they be tormented with materiall Fier and Brimston or how And if every Saint and Devil have a particular Body must there not be a particular Locall Place Can Bodies be no where Must they not rest and stand upon some place the Saints singing Hallelujah to the Highest for evermore Answ In thy Query thou hast uttered forth thy Confusion who hast joyned Heaven and Hell together and whereas thou wouldst know whether there is or there shall be a Locall Place of Heaven and Hell here thou shewest forth thy blindness in that thou knowest neither Heaven nor Hell and in the Locall Place as thou calst