by themselves and drew this Petition for my Lord being Lord Lieutenant-General and a Privy-Counsellor they should not have been so free to deliver their opinions though he the Examinant thinks some of them should have been free enough They drew the Petition and he thinks there was 100 hands to it and being delivered to my Lord-Lieutenant he took exception because it concluded with desire of a Parliament and told them if they would leave out that Clause he would deliver it if not he would not and after long discourse wherein he shewed much Eloquence most of them continued their resolution to stand to that Petition and many went out of Town and left it without making question but it should be delivered to His Majesty My Lord after put it to Vote whereof there were many Papists and on the Vote delivered an Answer what he the Examinant doth not know for he staid behind to draw another Petition and an humble protestation to His Majesty that this Petition was the Answer of the Countrey Lord Wharton being Sworn and Examined to the point of the Petition His Lordship Answered That this was unexpected to him for he heard not of it from the Committee till he came into the place but he can perfectly speak to it having a little Interest in it himself being one of them who subscribed it That on Saturday in the afternoon being appointed to attend my Lord of Strafford touching this business for most of the Gentlemen desiring to be at home on a suddain went out of Town and desired him with some others to deliver this Petition to my Lord by his own hand to be delivered to the King he did so and accordingly desired my Lord to deliver it in the name of the Gentlemen that had set their Hands to it many being likewise with him on that occasion That my Lord of Strafford took exception to the clause for a Parliament and said That if they would put that out he would joyn in the rest of the Petition Divers of the Gentlemen that were there there being not many that had set their hands would not goe back from that which with so much Humility and Reason they thought was desired thereupon my Lord would not deliver it and went to the King But they that thought not fit to have the Petition altered thought not fit to go with him to the King and what he said he the Examinant knows not Sir William Pennyman being Sworn and Interrogated Whether a Warrant now shewed him was not under His Hand and Seal He confessed it was his Hand and Seal And that being desired to be read Sir William Pennyman offered to their Lordships that he presumes he comes to be a Witness against my Lord of Strafford not himself and referred it to their Lordships whether he should answer any thing against himself this having an oblique aspect on himself but if their Lordships will require him he will submit But Mr. Maynard upon opening of the matter shewing that they urge it only as grounded on my Lord of Strafford's Command for levying of Moneys It was read being to this effect To the Constable of Sergeant-Major Yaworthe's Company WHereas the Lord-Lieutenant-General of His Majesties Army by His Majesties Command sent forth Warrants to the Constable of this Weapontake of Longborough for Collecting and Paying the Soldiers of my Regiment Six weeks pay to be delivered from my hands which is not yet received from c. These are therefore once more in His Majesties Name to Will and Require you forthwith to pay or cause to be paid to the said Sergeant-Major the several Rates and Proportions both of the First and Second Contribution Assessed on your-Town c. And if any person or persons shall refuse so to do you are instantly on receit hereof to bring him or them c. to serve in their own persons for the defence of this County as the necessity of this Cause requires And hereof c. fail not 19 Octob. 1640. Sir William Pennyman being Asked Whether the Warrant was grounded on a former Command of my Lord of Strafford He Answered That he cannot directly speak to that he will not charge his memory with it for he thinks the first Warrant was issued by the Vice-President and whether any was issued by my Lord of Straffords direction he cannot Answer precisely but he conceives there was and he hath a confused notion in his head but he cannot particularly and distinctly remember it Being Asked Whether he knew any Deputy-Lieutenants were drawn to issue a Warrant to levy money on the Country on this ground that the Lords of the Great Council had consented to it He Answered That he conceives they were summoned thither together and on this occasion when the Trayned-Bands were disbanded it was thought fit the Frontier-Regiments viz. his the Examinants and Sir Thomas Danbies should be continued but he the Examinant Conceiving it unreasonable and unequal that they should continue at their own Charge and the rest not tributary to them and at least they not being ordered to march successively to relieve them he the Examinant complained thereof to my Lord of Strafford they were thereupon sent for and an Order was made to which he the Examinant refers himself Being asked Whether it was not to this effect Whether those that would not pay their Money should serve in Person He Answered Sure he believes it was for his Warrant is a relative Warrant to that other Being Asked On what Grounds the Deputy Lieutenants were induced to make such an Order and Whether it was not on an Allegation that the Lords of the Great Council had Consented or Commanded it should be done He Answered That he presumes it is matter of Record if a man may say so for the Warrant will speak But he presumes there was some such thing spoken by my Lord of Strafford that he had acquainted His Majesty with it or the Greatest Counsel or to that effect and that induced them to put that into the Preamble of the Order Being prest to speak his knowledge He Answered That truely he verily believes it was so Being prest again to speak his knowledge positively He Answered That he doth very Confidently and assuredly believe it is so but he doth not particularly remember it for it is a great while since he saw that Warrant but it is matter of Record and if he sees a Copy of the Warrant he shall let their Lordships know whether it be a true Copy Being prest further to Answer Upon what ground it was made And whether upon an Allegation of a Consent of the Lords of the great Council He Answered That he cannot further Answer than before he doth very confidently believe it to be so for he doth remember my Lord of Strafford told them he had acquainted the Kings Majesty or the Lords of the Great Council which induced them to put them into the preamble of the Order Being yet urged to
them that set their hands to the Petition did Vote against it He Answered That there were of them that set their hands to the Petition 10 who did vote the retraction of it and he named Sir Francis Worteley Sir Thomas Danby Sir George Wentworth of Wolley as he thinks and Sir Edward Rhodes Sir Edward Rhodes Interrogated Whether the Country did intrust my Lord of Strafford to deliver a Message to His Majesty declaring their consent to a Moneths pay c. He Answer'd That after long debate Whether the Petition should be presented or no it was by plurality of voices declined and waved and it was moved to my Lord that he should present the Requests of the Gentlemen then met or the plurality of them to His Majesty to this purpose That having demanded two Moneths pay the Gentlemen of the Country made that request to my Lord humbly to beseech His Majesty to accept of one Moneths pay which his Lordship did and His Majesty was graciously pleased to accept of it having formerly given them encouragement for the abatement of 4000 men of the Trained Bands after those Troubles were past and if any Gentleman suffered in that Service there should be no benefit taken of his Wardship and when my Lord presented the desire of the Gentlemen to His Majesty He was pleased in stead of taking of 4000 to promise to reduce the Trained-Bands to 6000. Being Asked what number of Gentlemen were in the Hall and Whether that was not the place appointed for the County to Consult about the business He Answered That he thinks that there was 300 at the least of the one and the other and for the place and time it was both the place and time and that was an Exception my Lord of Strafford took but he was not fairly dealt withal that in regard His Majesty gave direction that at such a time and such a place my Lord President by that name His Majesty was pleased to call him and the Gentlemen of the Countrey should consider the business my Lord thought much a Petition should be drawn without his Consent and that the business should be Concluded before the time and from the place of debate Being Asked How many dissented from this Court He Answered He thinks not above 20 if there were so many Being Asked Whether diverse that signed the Petition did not retract it and amongst the rest himself He Answered Diverse did retract it and himself gave his voice for the waving of it but he cannot say he retracted it for his hand was not to the Petition Being Asked Whether my Lord of Strafford had not Commission from the County to offer a full moneths pay of the Trained-Bands He Answered It was the desire of the Country That his Lordship would be pleased to entreat His Majesty to accept of a moneths pay being desired by the King Being Asked Whether they were not willing to pay it in that part of the Country where he lives He Answered That where he served as Deputy-Lieutenant he knows not of one man that Complained or shew'd unwillingness or any difference but only in the proportion between man and man Being Asked Whether my Lord of Strafford did not faithfully relate the Message to the King according to the Commission the Country gave him He Answered That he conceives he did it most faithfully and with great advantage to the Country Sir Tho. Danby being Interrogated to the matter of the Petition and the declining of it the Consenting of a Moneths pay the Cheerfulness in paying of it He Answered That the Petition was delivered That the Money was paid with a great deal of cheerfulness That they were content to come to a Moneths pay That he heard of no man that declared to deny it Being Asked on Mr. Maynards motion Whether any other direction was given for the Message besides the Petition the last clause excepted He Answered That one taken off my Lord was to deliver the Substance of the Petition Being Asked on Mr. Maynards motion Whether there were not two Trained-Soldiers hang'd up for Mutyning for want of Pay Mr. Maynard thence observing That if they had been well paid there had been no want of it He Answered That he cannot Answer to that without some prejudice to himself he being question'd for hanging men by Martial-Law Sir George Wentworth of Wolley being Interrogated Whether he was not present at the Hall where the Petition was spoke of and Whether a moneths pay was not consented to He Answered He was present and the Petition was declined by the Major number there was a great number in the Hall and my Lord delivered it accordingly to the King He was present when he presented all the grievances exprest in the Petition and left out only that part concerning the Parliament Being Asked Whether my Lord of Strafford had authority to acquaint the King There should be a Moneths pay He Answered Yes and the place of Debating was the Common-Hall and diverse that signed the former Petition did retract it and himself was one of them Being Asked Whether the Money was not paid willingly by every man without Force and Constraint He Answered That he was a Collonel and it was paid him very well The next thing my Lord of Strafford observed was concerning a Warrant alleadged to be given out by him for levying of a Fortnights pay to the Two Regiments of Sir William Pennyman and Sir Tho. Danby If in any thing in his Answer he be mistaken he had rather submit it than dispute it and if it please their Lordships to favour him so far he will as near as he can tell every thing that passed and he hopes diverse of their Lordships will remember a great part of it It is very true before this moneth was ended he is sure within it the King Licensed all the Trained-Bands to go home again save the two Regiments one for Richmondshire and the other for Cleaveland which by His Majesties express Command and Council of War were required one to remain at Yaram the other in Richmondshire to preserve them from those of the other side Sir William Pennyman and some others finding that by this means these Regiments continuing in pay fell to be grievous to that part of the Hundred Those two Hundreds or Weapontakes acquainted him the Earl of Strafford with it out of no particular end in the World but that with Equality and Justice in that common misfortune they might all bear the Common Burden Divers of their Lordships being there at Rippon he did humbly present to the King before the Great Council of my Lords at Yorke That he conceived if the whole-Charge of those two Regiments should lie on those two Hundreds it would impoverish and undoe them and therefore he conceived it Justice and Reason that the rest of the County should contribute towards the Charge the benefit being common to all or else they should successively relieve those
great Poverty and many of them forced to forsake the Country the same being the first and most useful Plantation in the large Province of Ulster to the great weakning of the Kingdom in this time of danger the said Plantation being the principal Strength of those parts 9. The late Erection of the Court of High Commission for Causes Ecclesiastical in these necessitous Times the proceedings of the said Court in many Causes without legal Warrant and yet so supported as Prohibitions have not been obtained though legally sought for And the excessive Fees exacted by the Ministers thereof and the encroaching of the same upon the Jurisdiction of other Ecclesiastical Courts of this Kingdom 10. The exorbitant Fees and pretended Customs exacted by the Clergy against the Law some of which have been formerly represented to your Lordship 11. The Petitioners do most heartily bemoan that His Majesties Service and Profit are much more impaired than advanced by the Grievances aforesaid and the Subsidies granted in the last Parliament having much encreased His Majesties Revenue by the buying of Grants and otherwise And that all His Majesties Debts then due in this Kingdom were satisfied out of the said Subsidies and yet His Majesty is of late as the Petitioners have been informed in the House of Commons become indebted in this Kingdom in great Sums And they do therefore humbly beseech That an exact Account may be sent to His Majesty how and in what manner His Treasure is issued 12. The Petitioners do humbly conceive just and great fears at a Proclamation published in this Kingdom in Anno Domini 1635. prohibiting men of Quality or Estates to depart this Kingdom into England without the Lord-Deputies Licence whereby the Subjects of this Kingdom are hindred and interrupted from free access to address to His Sacred Majesty and Privy-Council of England to declare their just Grievances or to obtain Remedies for them in such sort as their Ancestors have done in all Ages since the Reign of King Henry the Second and great Fees exacted for every of the said Licences 13. That of late His Majesties Attorney-General hath exhibited Informations against many ancient Burroughs of this Kingdom into His Majesties Court of Exchequer to shew cause by what Warrant the said Burgesses who heretofore sent Burgesses to Parliament should send the Burgesses to the Parliament and thereupon for want of an Answer the said Priviledges of sending Burgesses was seized by the said Court which Proceedings were altogether Coram non Iudice and contrary to the Laws and Priviledges of the House of Parliament and if way should be given thereunto would tend to the Subversion of Parliaments and by Consequence to the Ruine and Destruction of the Common Wealth And that the House of Commons hath hitherto in this present Parliament been deprived of the Advice and Counsel of many profitable and good Members by means thereof 14. By the Powerfulness of some Ministers of State in this Kingdom the Parliament in its Members and Actions hath not its natural Freedom 15. And lastly That the Gentry and Merchants and other His Majesties Subjects of this Kingdom are of late by the Grievances and Pressures before said and other the like brought very near to Ruine and Destruction And the Farmers of Customs Customers Waiters Searchers Clerks of Unwarrantable Proceedings Pursevants and Goalers and sundry others very much enriched whereby and by the slow Redress of the Petitioners Grievances His Majesties most Faithful and Dutiful People of this Kingdom do conceive great fears that their readiness approved upon all occasions hath not been of late rightly represented to His Sacred Majesty For remedy whereof the said Petitioners do humbly and of right beseech your Lordships That the said Grievances and Pressures may be speedily Redressed and if your Lordship shall not think fit to afford present Relief that your Lordship might admit a Select Committee of this House of Persons uninteressed in the benefit arising of the aforesaid Grievances to be Licenced by your Lordship to repair to His Sacred Majesty in England for to pursue the same and to obtain fitting remedy for their aforesaid and other just Grievances and Oppressions and upon all just and honourable Occasions they will without respect of particular Interest or Profit to be raised thereby most humbly and readily in Parliament extend their utmost endeavour to serve His Majesty and comply with His Royal and Princely Occasions and shall pray c. Monday November 30th 1640. Sir Thomas Roe Mr. Pym Mr. Strode Mr. St. Iohns Mr. Grimston Lord Digby Sir Iohn Clotworthy Sir Walter Earle Mr. Hampden Mr. Maynard Mr. Hyde Mr. Whistler Mr. Palmer Mr. Glyn Mr. Solicitor Mr. Selden My Lord Dungarvan Sir Francis Seymor Sir Hugh Cholmely Lord Wenman Sir Io. Evelyn Sir Benjamin Rudyard Sir Iames Thynn Sir Iohn Culpepper Sir Iohn Strangwaies Sir Symon D'Ewes Mr. George Vane Lord Cramborne Lord Compton Mr. Bellassis Mr. Kirton Sir Thomas Hutchison Sir William Bowyer Sir Iames Smith Sir Arthur Ingram Lord Russell Lord Ruthin Mr. Comisby Mr. Noel Sir Thomas Bowyer Mr. Cecill Lord Fairfax Sir Thomas Widdrington Sir Peter Hayman Sir Iohn Holland Mr. Iames Fynes Sir Robert Crane Sir Iohn Corbet Mr. Io. Alford Sir Roger North Sir Edmond Mountford Mr. Whitlocke Mr. Mountagne Lord Faulkland Sir Peter Stapleton Sir Henry Mildmay Lord Herbert Sir Richard Wynn Sir Edward Rodney Sir Ralph Hopton This Committee is to meet with the Committee of 30 of the Lords concerning a Message sent hither on Friday last from their Lordships touching a Message sent formerly from this House to them by Mr. Pym for the Examination of their Members in the Accusation of the Earl of Strafford and touching a free Conference upon the last Point of that Message that some of the Members of this House should be present at the Examination of Witnesses to be propounded by this House to be examined in the Accusation of the Earl of Strafford The Petition of several of the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the Commons House of Parliament in Ireland whose Names are underwritten directed to the whole House of Commons in England read The Humble Petition of the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the Commons House of Parliament in Ireland whose Names are underwritten To the King 's most Excellent Majesty read The two Gentlemen Mr. Io. Bellewe and Mr. Oliver Castle who brought over those Petitions were called in and demanded by Mr. Speaker several Questions These Gentlemen were again called in and Mr. Speaker told them This House has taken into Consideration your Petition and in due time you shall know the Pleasure of this House Ordered That the Lieutenant of the Tower be required from this House that he do not suffer Sir George Ratcliff to speak with the Earl of Strafford a Prisoner there until further Order be given from this House nor suffer any Message or Letter to be sent from Sir George Ratcliff unto him or if any such be to
to be transported and of the Statute made in the time of Queen Elizabeth and there in force prohibiting the Exportation of Wooll unless they pay to the Crown 5 s. the Stone the Trade and Shipping of that Kingdom are exceedingly increased To the Eleventh he saith Pipe-staves were prohibited in King Iames's Time and not Exported but by Licence from the Lord Treasurer of England or Lord-Deputy of Ireland who had 6 s. 8 d. a 1000 and his Secretary 3 s. 4 d. for the Licence but to restrain that destruction of Timber by Command of His Majesty and Advice of His Council for His Revenue in Ireland first 30 s. then 3 l. the money was paid to His Majesty who hath thereby about 1500 l. per annum and his Lordship lost about 4 or 500 l. per annum which his Predecessors had for such Licences This is paid by the Transporter not by the Natives whose Commodity nevertheless appears by the Article to be very much increased To the Twelfth he saith The Subsidies there are an Inheritance in the Crown by Act of Parliament 6 d. was paid for Subsidy and 1 s. 6 d. for Impost upon every pound of Tobacco and Farmed 10 or 20 l. per annum the Commons in Parliament 10 Car. Regis finding the Revenue to be short of the Expence of that Kingdom 24000 l. per annum Petitioned those Grants might be applied to increase His Majesties Revenue without calling upon the Subject but upon urgent Occasions Hereupon upon the Advice of the Committee of the Revenue and in consideration of a Proclamation made in England several Proclamations were made and this setled in a way till it could be confirmed by Parliament for which purpose a Bill is transmitted according to the desire of the Commons and the Impost of Tobacco is Let to Contractors for eleven years at 5000 l. per annum for the first five years and 10000 l. per annum for the other six years and the Earl hath lent money to forward the business and by His Majesties Allowance is a Partner but hath not as yet in two years last past had any Accompts thereof or made benefit thereby He knoweth of no whipping or other punishment the Farmes of the Customs are better than formerly 2000 l. per annum five 8 parts whereof is yearly paid unto His Majesty the prices of Tobacco exceed not 2 s. or 2 s. 4 d. the pound the setling of that Revenue according to the Petition of the Commons he hath not raised or countenanced any Monopolies but opposed the same To the Thirteenth he saith He endeavoured to advance the Manufacture of Linnen rather than of Woollen-Cloth which might prejudice that Trade here he bought Flax-seed in the Low-Countries and sold it at the same Rate to such as desired if they making their Cloaths not above a foot broad and winding 8 or 10 threads from several bottoms together the contrary was twined their Flax formerly not above a foot became a yard in length and that soil is fit to bear it and the people love such easie Works He hath set up many Looms made much Cloth and sold it to the loss of some Thousands of pounds but when the State saw the Natives would not change their old Courses for new and better the Proclamation was declined What he did was for the Publick Good and had nothing from them that was not fully paid for To the Fourteenth he saith He refers to the Oath and Proclamation which was set forth by the said Earl and Council of State there at the instance of the Farmers of the Customs towards the defrauding of the King's Duties being in France whereof His Majesty had five eight parts He never heard any Complain of the Oath or of any that refused to take it and conceived it to be lawful divers of the Council approving it being Learned Judges of the Law to whose judgment for the legality he submitted as well in that as to other matters of like nature To the Fifteenth He denieth what is in the Article Objected but saith That about the Year 1626. certain Agents authorized in Ireland were sent into England and offered and agreed to pay to His Majesty 120000 l. in six years towards the maintenance of His Army and a like payment of 20000 l. per annum was after agreed and continued for three years longer the Assessments were made and it was shortly after by them and the Lord Faulkland then Deputy agreed in Ireland that the money should not be charged upon Record but levied by Captains by Paper-Assignments upon Warrants from the Lord Deputy and this course was held four years in the Lord Faulkland's time and the four years wherein the Lord Loftus and the Earl of Cork were Lords Justices there and it held for the remaining year only after the Earl of Strafford came thither but the Earl of Cork having spared those Towns for the benefit of himself and Tenants during the time of his being Justice The Earl of Strafford reduced the Assessments to what it was made by the Lord Faulkland and gave way that Sir William St. Leiger Lord President of Munster to take the same Arrerages in satisfaction of a Debt due unto him by His Majesty and he is confident no force was used in levying the same It hath been usual to lay Souldiers to levy that Contribution to send Souldiers to apprehend Contemners of Orders made at Council-Board and the like and when Out-Laws and Rebels have been in the Woods no Souldiers have in his time been laid but by the Advice of the Council there Touching the Castle-Chamber it 's a parcel of the Territory of Ideough whereto the King was Intituled by Inquisition and the Possession established in a Legal way when the said Earl was in England and no Souldiers were sent but only 12 at the intreaty of Mr. Wanesford for security of his Houses and Plantations against Rebels that then were out and burned and spoiled Houses thereabouts and neither Richard Butler's or any other Family were thence expelled by the said Earl from their Estates To the Sixteenth he saith There was such a Proposition which was just to prevent clamourous Complaints here which there might be redressed but conceives that by the Laws there and the Articles known since by the name of the Articles of Grace made about fourteen years since none ought to depart that Kingdom without Licence Thereupon the Advice of the State the Proclamations were set forth but not with such intent as in the Article He denied Licence only to Three the Earl of Cork the Lord Mount◠and Sir 〈◊〉 Hamilton to the two former in regard of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 then against them in the Castle-Chamber to the other by special Command from His Majesty but so soon as Sir Frederick said he would Complain of the Earl he made Suit to His Majesty That Sir Fredrick might come over which was granted He conceives such restraint to be necessary and if that it be
Committee for the Earl of Strafford The House does declare That they are well satisfied that the Evidence to be produced against Thomas Earl of Strafford at his Trial be managed by those Members Friday March 5th 1640. Upon Mr. Whitlock's Report from the Earl of Strafford's Committee It was Resolved upon the Question That there shall be no Replication put 〈◊〉 the 〈◊〉 of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in 〈◊〉 but that the further Proceedings shall be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as is now 〈◊〉 by the Committee Mr. Whitlock is to go up to the Lords with this Message viz. That the House of Commons have considered of the Earl of Strafford's Answer and do aver their Charge of High Treason against him and that he is Guilty in such manner and form as he stands Accused and Impeached and that this House will be ready to prove their Charge against him at such convenient time as their Lordships shall prefix and intend to manage the Evidence by Members of their own and desire a free Conference with their Lordships by Select Committees of both Houses to consider of some Propositions and Circumstances concerning the Trial. Mr. Whitlock brings Answer from the Lords That their Lordships have taken the Message from this House into Consideration and will give a meeting for a free Conference by a Committee of 24 on Monday Morning at Nine of the Clock The Committee of the Commons Mr. Pym Mr. Strode Mr. Solicitor Mr. Grimston Lord Digby Sir Iohn Clotworthy Sir Walter Earle Mr. Hampden Mr. Whitlocke Mr. Palmer Mr. Selden Mr. Maynard Mr. Treasurer Sir Io. Culpepper Mr. Reynolds Mr. Hyde Mr. Prideaux Mr. Whitlock Mr. Martin Mr. Proxholm Mr. Gray Lord Faulkland Mr. Vaughan Lord Russell Sir Iohn Strangwaies Mr. Bellasis Sir Guy Palmes Mr. Sutton Mr. Whistler Sir Symon D'Ewes Sir An. Irby Sir Martin Lomly Mr. Waller Mr. Coventry Mr. Upton Sir Iohn Eveling Lord Fairfax Sir William Massam Mr. Pierepoint Sir Benjamin Rudyard Sir Thomas Barrington Sir Philip Stapleton Mr. Capell Mr. Cary Sir Ralph Hopton Sir Robert Hatton Sir Gilbert Gerrard Mr. Nathaniel Fines A Committee of these 48 are to meet a Committee of 24 of the Lords at a free Conference concerning the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford on Monday Morning next at Nine of the Clock in the Painted-Chamber The Committee for the Earl of Strafford are to manage this free Conference with the Lords Monday March 8th 1640. Upon Mr. Whitlock's Report from the Committee for the Earl of Strafford the Heads of a Conference appointed to be had this day concerning the Trial of the said Earl It was Resolved upon the Question 1. To Propose to the Lords That they will be pleased to take some Order that there may be a convenient Place appointed for the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford and to give such Directions as shall be fit for preparing conveniency of room for both Houses and for such Members of the House as are appointed to manage the Evidence and for Witnesses and for the Prisoner and for excluding of all such as ought not to be present at the Trial. 2. That whereas in the last Message to the Lords this House did Intimate unto them That they did intend to manage the Evidence by Members of their own They are now Commanded to explain their Reason That their Lordships may take notice That We do not expect any Council shall be admitted the Earl of Strafford at the giving of Evidence at the Trial. Thursday March 11th 1640. Mr. Whitlock Reports from the free Conference concerning the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford That the Lord Privy-Seal began with this Introduction That this Parliament both Houses have had often Conferences and to good Purpose which had preserved a true Understanding between both Houses That at the last free Conference their Lordships did receive from this House certain Propositions concerning the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford which We our Selves call Circumstances 1. Concerning Place 2. Persons 3. Managing the Evidence 4. Use of Counsel he was pleased to remember the words of the Proposition as they were delivered unto them and told Us those were Circumstances yet Circumstances were Servants to Execution and might be altered and if they should Change from the House they now sit in into the Painted-Chamber or the Court of Requests upon Survey of it by skilful men they were informed the Floor of it is so weak that it might be very dangerous for so great a Resort to be in together at the Trial therefore left that to Our further Consideration The Lords thought of this That the Bar in their House might be removed higher and the Room there made longer and that being made a Scaffold might be a Capacity sufficient to receive the Members of this House this he did only Propose and said The Bishops did desire to be absent at this Trial so there would be more room for the Earls would sit in their places Next that their Lordships did desire to understand Whether We meant to be there as a House which they thought We did or as single Members of the House 3. His Lordship was pleased to tell Us They desired an Exposition of the words managing of Evidence Whether We intended a marshalling and applying of the Proof 4. That the Lords did desire concerning the Place and Persons to know how they have been admitted in former times that they might be fortified by Presidents for Place and Persons and for Counsel Their Lordships are careful not to admit of more than is according to the Law of this Kingdom And thereupon their Lordships have made this Resolution That the Earl of Strafford in matters of meer Fact shall not make use of Counsel but in matter of Law he shall and if any doubt arise what is matter of Law and what is matter of Fact the Lords do reserve the Judgment hereof to themselves this came by intimation of Ours that We did intend to manage the Evidence and at a Conference We explained Our Selves That We did not expect they would allow Him any Council at the giving of Evidence After this he was pleased to tell us That he had not forgot another thing though he omitted it that he that delivered the Proposition at the Message used words to this purpose That this House did hold it necessary and fit that all the Members of the House might be present at the Trial to the end every one might satisfie his own Conscience in the giving of their Vote to demand Judgment Upon this We thought it not fit to make an Explanation till We had acquainted the House with it Ordered That the whole matter of the Report now made of the free Conference with the Lords concerning the Trial of Tho. Earl of Strafford be referred to the Committee for the Earl of Strafford to search and consider of Presidents and to prepare Reasons and to present them to the House to morrow morning and they are to meet this Afternoon at Two
Conference and Mr. Whitlock is to manage it Friday April 2. 1641. Post Merid. Mr. Pym went up to the Lords to desire That such of their Lordships as this House shall have occasion to make use of in the Trial of the Earl of Strafford would be pleased to be present at the said Trial and by Name the Lord Treasurer Lord Admiral Earl of Bristoll Earl of Holland and Lord Conway be also named to the House with some other Lords that the House should have occasion to make use of namely the Lord Primate of Armagh E. Morton and Lord Newburgh Mr. Pym likewise nominated some Members of this House viz. Mr. Treasurer Sir William Pennyman Sir Iohn Hotham Sir Hugh Cholmly Mr. Henry Cholmy Mr. Thomas Price Sir Iohn Strangways Mr. Controllor Mr. Henry Piercy Sir William Envidale Sir Frederick Cornwallis Sir Henry Mildmay Mr. Nichols Mr. Fines Sir Thomas Heale Sir Thomas Barington Mr. Herbert Price a Note of these Names was given to the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House and he is Ordered to give Notice to the Members of the Lords to be present upon all occasions Saturday April 3. 1641. Post Merid. The Petition of Thomas Earl of Strafford was this day read and the like Order made upon it as was made upon the Petition of the 20th of March. Tuesday April 6th 1641. Post Merid. The humble Petition of Thomas Earl of Strafford was read and the same Order made upon it as was upon that of the 20th of March. Friday April 9th 1641. Post Merid. The Lord Russel is appointed to go up to the Lords to desire a Conference by a Committee of both Houses concerning the Proceedings in the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford The Heads of the free Conference to be to this effect To acquaint the Lords with the great Necessities of the Kingdom the Pressures of the Time and how much time has been spent in this Trial How prejudicial it will be to the Kingdom if any more then has been be spent and therefore to desire that to morrow may be appointed for a Peremptory day for the Earl of Strafford to be heard if he will come otherwise that the Committee of this House may proceed to the Replication to the whole matter and the Earl of Strafford to be absolutely concluded for saying any more to the matter of Fact Mr. Pym is to manage this Conference and Mr. Glyn and Mr. Hampden are joyned unto him as Assistants Mr. Pym acquaints the House That he hath delivered to the Lords what he was intrusted with by this House concerning the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford They gave no other Answer then that they would send Answer by Messengers of their own A Message from the Lords by Baron Hendon and Mr. Heath That the Lords have taken the last Message to this House into Consideration and have Resolved That if the Earl of Strafford come to morrow he may proceed according to the former Order if he comes not that then this House may proceed to Sum up the Evidence as to matter of Fact and the Earl of Strafford to be concluded as to matter of Fact Saturday April 10th 1641. Post Merid. Mr. Glyn Reports from the Committee for the Earl of Strafford some Grounds concerning the further Evidence that is offered by the Committee to corroborate the Evidence upon the latter part of the 23. Article And thereupon Sir Henry Vane the younger and Mr. Pym are appointed by this House to declare their whole knowledge concerning the matters contained in the 23. Article against the Earl of Strafford and how and by what means they came to the knowledge thereof which when they had done what Paper was produced by Mr. Pym and so much of it read by him as concerned the Earl of Strafford And then it was Resolved upon the Question That the Paper whereof Mr. Pym had now read in part shall be all of it read which was done and Notice being given of a Message from the Lords It was Ordered That all the Members keep their Seats and go not out of the House without leave Resolved upon the Question That the Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford of High Treason shall be now read And accordingly the Bill was twice read Monday April 12. Post Merid. The Heads of a Conference to be desired with the Lords touching the Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford 1. The Narrative of the Evidence the Committee intended to have given on Saturday last concerning which they resorted to the House of Commons for further Direction to which Evidence two Members of this House were ready to depose The House fell into a great and long debate of the second Head And in the mean time Mr. Hampden went up to the Lords with this Message to signifie unto their Lordships That this House is now in Debate of a business of great Importance which they do intend to Communicate unto their Lordships but are not yet fully ready for a Conference and therefore they do intreat their Lordships would be pleased to sit a little while and they hope they shall come up very suddenly unto them The Earl of Strafford's Committee who retired to prepare the Second Head after some stay returned and presented this following to the House for a Second Head which was read and allowed of by the House viz. 2. That the House having taken Consideration thereof did conceive it very material that in regard of the Danger and Distractions of the present Times and that what time might be spent in Debate touching the admitting of the Evidence they Resolved to come to a general Reply setting aside that Evidence for this time saving to themselves their Rights to make use of the said Evidence for the farther Prosecution of the 23. Article if their Lordships shall be unsatisfied concerning the same without admitting the said Earl of Strafford to examine upon any of the other Articles which the House doth do to the end that the business might come to some speedy Conclusion the loss of time being of extream Danger and ill Consequence to the Common-wealth as they conceive Mr. Hampden brings Answer That the Lords will sit a convenient time 3. The third Head That upon occasion of discovery of this Evidence a Paper was read in the House whereby it did appear that at the same time when the dangers abroad were spoken by the Earl of Strafford touching the bringing the Irish Army into England other words were spoken by two others then present descyphered by those Letters L. Arch. and L. Cott. by which We conceive is meant the Lord Archbishop of Canterbury and Lord Cottington very full of Pernicious Counsels to the King and Slander to the Commons Assembled in the last Parliament as will appear if their Lordships will be pleased to hear the Papers read which Paper the Committee is commanded to read and leave it to their Consideration and to desire that their Lordships will take some course that it
Answer returned by the same Messengers That this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration and is Resolved to give a meeting at the time and place as is appointed Wednesday April 28th 1641. Post Merid. Ordered That Mr. Solicitor St. Iohn have Power to send for such Records as he shall think needful for that Service committed unto him for maintaining the Point of Law in the Case of the Earl of Strafford The same Committee as was formerly appointed to keep the Doors at Westminster-Hall is appointed to keep the Doors again to morrow Mr. Solicitor and Mr. Maynard and Mr. Glyn appointed as Assistants unto him are to sit in the most convenient places in the middle of the lower Rank Mr. Edward Hide went up to the Lords with this Message to acquaint their Lordships That the House hath received such Information as hath moved some Fears in them that the Earl of Strafford may have a design to Escape that he hath Ships at Sea at Command and that the Guards about him are weak therefore to desire their Lordships he may be a close Prisoner and the Guards strengthened Mr. Hide brings this Answer That their Lordships had heretofore given Directions to the Lieutenant of the Tower that he should be close Prisoner and take Care for a stronger Guard and will take it into Examination and give Directions as is desired Friday April 30th 1641. Post Merid. Ordered That Mr. Solicitor be required from this House to bring in a particular Copy of his Argument Yesterday in Westminster-Hall and likewise that Mr. Pym bring him a Copy of the Speeches spoken by him in Westminster-Hall both at the beginning and latter end of the Trial of the Earl of Strafford A Copy of the Paper posted up at the Corner of the Wall of Sir William Bronkard's House in the Old Palace-Yard in Westminster declaring the following Names to be Enemies of Iustice. The Lord Digby Lord Compton Lord Buckhurst Sir Robert Hatton Sir Thomas Fanshaw Sir Edward Alford Nicholas Slanning Sir Thomas Danby Sir George Wentworth Sir Peter Wentworth Sir Fred. Conwallis Sir William Carnaby Sir Richard Winn Sir Gervas Cliffton Sir William Withrington Sir William Pennyman Sir Patrick Carwin Sir Richard Lee Sir Henry Slingsby Sir William Portman Mr. Gervas Hollis Mr. Sydney Godolphin Mr. Cook Mr. Coventry Mr. Kirton Mr. Pollard Mr. Price Mr. Trevanyon Mr. Ieane Mr. Edgcombe Mr. Ben. Weston Mr. Selden Mr. Alford Mr. Loyd Mr. Herbert Captain Digby Serjeant Hyde Mr. Tayler Mr. Richard Weston Mr. Griffith Mr. Scawen Mr. Bridgman Mr. Fettyplace Doctor Turner Captain Charles Price Doctor Parry a Civilian Mr. Richard Arundel Mr. Newport Mr. Nowell Mr. Chichley Mr. Mallory Mr. Porter Mr. White Secretary to E. D. Mr. Warwick It is a Presumption that these Names were thus Posted up by some of those who came in multitudes to the Parliament House but he that took the List of their Names as Mr. Elsing told the Author was one Mr. W who Served for some Borough in the County of Wilts and who did not afterwards go to the King at Oxford in time of War though his Wife did but he staid in the Parliament to do what friendly Office he could for the King and his Party It is probable he gave a Copy of those Names to some Friends not intending to have the same made Publick in that manner The Name of one Member of the House that was in the List who is omitted in this viz. Sir Iohn Strangwayes who was not then in Town but Sir Iohn after his Return out of Dorsetshire complained that his Name was Posted up amongst others and moved that the business might be Examined how the List came abroad and was made Publick as aforesaid he being then in the Country Wednesday May 5th 1641. Mr. Solicitor is appointed to bring in his Argument he made in Westminster-Hall at the Trial of the Earl of Strafford on Monday last A Message from the Lords by Judge Reeves and Judge Forster That they give this House Thanks for sitting so long that they are still in Debate of the Bill against the Earl of Strafford so that this Night they cannot be ready for a Conference Saturday May 8th 1641. A Message from the Lords by Judge Forster and Judge Heath That the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford is passed their House without any Alteration or Amendments Ordered That a Message be sent to the Lords to desire a free Conference by a Committee of both Houses concerning the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford Mr. Hotham is to go up with this Message Mr. Pym is to manage this Conference the substance whereof is That in regard the Peace of the Kingdom doth much consist in the Execution of the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford to desire their Lordships to move His Majesty as speedily as may be to give His Assent Mr. Hotham brings Answer That the Lords will give a present meeting at a free Conference by a Committee of both Houses as is desired Mr. Pym Reports That he had performed the Command of this House Ordered That this House shall joyn with the Lords to attend His Majesty to appoint a time when He would be pleased to set concerning His Assent to the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford Mr. Pym brings word That the Lords have sent to His Majesty and this House shall hear from them very speedily A Message from the Lords by Judge Forster and Judge Heath That the Lords appointed by their House attended His Majesty who appointed that both Houses should attend Him at Four of the Clock in the Banqueting-House concerning the Bill of Attainder That they have Passed the Bill concerning the not Dissolving the Parliament Monday May 10th 1641. The Gentleman-Usher of the Black-Rod came to signifie to the House That His Majesties Assent to the Bill of Attainder is now to be given by Commission and that the Lords did expect Mr. Speaker and the House of Commons to come up Articles of the Commons Assembled in Parliament against Thomas Earl of Strafford in Maintenance of their Accusation whereby he stands Charged with High Treason WHereas the said Commons have already Exhibited Articles against the said Earl in haec verba Now the said Commons do further Impeach the said Earl as followeth That is to say I. That the said Earl of Strafford the 21th day of March in the Eighth Year of His Majesties Reign was President of the King's Council in the Northern parts of England That the said Earl being President of the said Council on the 21th of March a Commission under the Great Seal of England with certain Schedules of Instructions thereunto annexed was directed to the said Earl or others the Commissioners therein named whereby among other things Power and Authority is limitted to the said Earl and others the Commissioners therein named to hear and determine all Offences and Misdemeanors Suits Debates Controversies and
Durham being sent for on other occasions That he was at York in his Journey from Durham the first day of the Assizes and being at Dinner at Dr. Stanhopps there came a Gent. Sir Edward Stanhopp who called Dr. Stanhopp Uncle from the Assizes That the Doctor asked what news specially concerning my Lord Presidents Speech he told them that he prest hard to hear and could tell some passages of it Then they asked what they were says he My Lord President was speaking of this That the way of the Prerogative was in some particulars easier than the Common Law And in his expression he said these words The little Finger of the Common Law is heavier than the Loyns of the King This the said Sir Edward Stanhopp told him in the presence of divers others who he thinks do remember the words were so related and that he had related them often since and never took it otherwise till he saw it in the Charge and there it was clear otherwise And upon further question at my Lord of Straffords motion He Answered That he never acquainted my Lord of Strafford that he could say any thing in this till Sunday night and then talking with Sir William Pennyman he told Sir William the story My Lord of Strafford desired Sir William Pennyman might be heard and humbly acknowledged the Favour that had been done him by the House of Commons in giving liberty unto it upon his suit Sir William Pennyman being asked whether he was present at the time when my Lord of Strafford spoke the words of comparison between the Kings little Finger and the Loyns of the Law what was spoke and what was the occasion He Answered That he was present at the Assizes at York at that time and heard my Lord speak these words in another order and position than is testified by these three Witnesses And in truth he said he could wish he spake now on his Oath for he knew he spake on much disadvantage The occcasion was this A Rumour was cast up and down in the Country That my Lord of Strafford had received great sums of money concerning Knighthood which he had detained in his own hands and not paid into the Exchequer Hearing of this his Lordship thought himself much wronged in it and took occasion to vindicate himself and there spoke of it and told them to the best of his remembrance there was some omission on the Secretaries part or some of the Officers of the Exchequer Hereupon my Lord took occasion to discourse of the Legality of Knighthood-money and told them Gentlemen you may see this is a Commission of Grace and Favour for whereas you may compound with the King for a matter of 20 or 30 l. you have in two or three Terms run into great sums He added That he did not remember the proportion but the Inference was So that you may see that the little Finger of the Law is heavier than the Loyns of the King One of the Managers desired he might be asked by what means this was brought into his memory and how long since He Answered He had the retention of it in his memory before but it was revived on occasion of these Articles when they were exhibited It is enough and he did his Duty well that being a Member of the House of Commons he never informed the House of it My Lords I desire my Answer may be read wherein the occasion and the words are directly set forth quite contrary to those in the Charge and I protest that I will take my Oath on it That it was so And my humble request is That no Witness I produce may be prejudiced for any Testimony he shall give here being with the Liberty and Allowance of both Houses For if they should be discountenanced nay punished for it I should think my self a very unhappy man indeed and rather than I should prejudice any man in that kind I profess I would put my self on Gods mercy and goodness and not make use of any Member of either House and my principal Witnesses must be of both Houses rather than acquit my self by their prejudice for I accompt it an unjust thing to overthrow another to save my self The Testimony of a Member of the House hath great credit in the House and they take not the least exception against Sir William Pennyman for any thing he said before their Lordships but wish he may speak with clearness and truth but had he informed this particular himself to the House he had done my Lord of Strafford more right than by not informing to let it come in Charge and bring in his Testimony contrary to his Vote When a Witness hears a thing in question though it be not required of him certainly he should vindicate the Reputation of his Friend in contradicting it in season but it is not so done and certainly his silence to the House was not well My Lords This concerns me nearly This Gentleman Sir William Pennyman is my Noble Friend and a Worthy Gentleman and I would give him my Life on any occasion but I know him to be a Person so full of Virtue and Nobleness that he would not speak an untruth for all the world perhaps he might not think fit to speak it in the House men are left at their liberty The Charge came out in Print very lately and whether Sir William Pennyman might know any thing of it I leave it to those that better understand it But with this humble Request to the noble and worthy Gentlemen of the Commons House That they would please to regard it so that no man may suffer by me I protest I had rather suffer ten thousand times my self The business concerns the House of Commons the Committee knows not how they will apprehend it But it is only offered That the Judgment of the House of Commons may not be prejudiced The Lord Steward concluded this matter That his Lorship is put upon the Trial of his Peers who will give him all fair Respect That his Lordship shall be denied no just way for his clearing that he could say nothing in the Name of the Lords to this particular that 's come out on the present nor these Gentlemen in the name of the Commons only he may be sure to find all that is fit which my Lord of Strafford said he doubted not and hoped their Lordship would pardon him for moving it it concerning him very much As to the mistake in point of time the Commons laying it to be after the Commission 21. March 8 Reg. and prove it to be before the time is not at all material The offence is not that he spake it on that day but that he spake the words The Exception to Sir Thomas Leyton's Testimony that he had need to have better Ears he is a Gentleman of worth his Deposition is an Oath and he knew best what he heard the truth is
and Lord Grandisons and to his best remembrance but he will not peremptorily say it of my Lord Chichesters Being asked of the Earl of Bathes motion whether he hath known them to proceed upon Petition for matters of Land He Answered He never knew any Being asked on Mr. Maynards motion whether they were Orders of Reference or by consent He Answered He remembers one more particularly and it was an Order of my Lord of Faulklands of reference to my Lord Angier that was Master of the Rolls and was for a Debt Being asked on my Lord of Straffords motion whether Sir Paul Davis Clerk of the Council do not ordinarily examine on Oath and thereupon Causes come to publication He Answered The Clerk of the Council hath a Commission for taking Oath and wheresoever the Deputy requires he is to take Oath but whether de facto he took Oath on those former Orders he remembers not And whether he takes Oath in things determined by the Deputy alone he knows nothing of it But it is the common course of proceedings when there is an Order for an Attachment an Oath is taken of course that the party is in contempt Being asked on Mr. Whitlocks motion how anciently Commission hath been granted to the Clerk of the Council to take an Oath He Answered He doth not know but knoweth that since he had the Honour to sit at the Board they have had them and that is 12 or 13 years Being asked whether he hath known in matters of Equity or Title of Land any determination by any other Deputy alone And whether my Lord of Strafford hath not done it in many Cases He answered to the first That he doth not remember any particular Case of it To the second That he never knew my Lord of Strafford with his Remembrance meddle with matters of Law but for matters of Equity to his Remembrance he hath And this my Lord of Strafford confessed this being in the Court of Requests is to the Chancery To prove that the Clerks of the Council have power to examine on Oath an Order was read to the Lord Chancellor from the Lord Faulkland for drawing up a Commission to enable Sir William Usher for taking Affidavits and ministring Oaths in all Causes wherein the Lord Deputy or the Board c. His Lordship came to shew that the Instructions were so much mistaken that they were never observed by the Deputy Judges of Assize Presidents of Provincial c. nor could the poor Irish be debarred from remedy on Petitions without occasioning an universal out-cry being not acquainted with Legal forms and beggarly and the man that came against my Lord Mountnorris was in forma Pauperis To prove this my Lord of Straffords Book of Entries was mentioned and an Order of my Lord Faulklands made in Iune 1629. which is after the Instructions being in 1622. and being affirmed by my Lord Wilmott to be under my Lord Faulklands hand it was read Containing a Petition which set forth the Petitioners disturbance in his Possession of certain Lands by Sir Iames Fitzgerard contrary to a former Order and assaulting and beating the Petitioner and his Tenants c. And my Lord of Faulklands Warrant thereupon for Sir Iames his appearance to Answer the Contempt and for the Sheriffs keeping the Petitioner in possession He produced another Order of my Lord of Faulklands August 20. 1626. being for Attaching divers persons that had not paid Provisions for the Deputies Houshold He produced another Order made on Walter Dennotts Petition October 1624. for direction to certain Debtors to pay some moneys due Being a Warrant to examine the truth of the Plaintiffs demands and a Command to the Debtors to pay what 's due or give better Security else to appear to shew cause to the contrary the same being grounded upon Letters out of England in the Petitioners behalf He produced an Order of my Lord of Corke and Lord of Ely affirmed by the Lord Corke to be under his hand on Petition of Henry Iawant The Order being a Reference to the Lord Primate and to take Order for the Petitioners Relief as by a former Order of Reference was directed And whereas it may be objected that these were in Church Causes or Plantation Causes His Lordship observed That these Orders were made by the Deputy and Justices alone without the Council though by the Instructions the Deputy ought not to meddle with such Causes without the Council He then offered to shew that this Practice of hearing business on Paper Petitions is used by the Presidents in their Provincial Courts and by the Judges in their Circuits by Commissions from the Deputy whence his Lordship observed That if the Deputies have Power to Authorize they have likewise Power to Execute and he offered to this purpose my Lord Ranulagh's Answer at Council-Board under Mr. Mewtis his hand Here the Manager observed That my Lord of Strafford is charged with Exorbitant using of the Law and cannot be justified with others breaking of the Law besides it is neither in the Charge nor in his Answer My Lord of Strafford answered That he offered this only to shew that he is no Innovator of the Law further than others before him and to shew that the Instructions were mistaken in that point and could not be observed nor can they without much detriment to the Commonwealth yea that they have broken them and that he only hath observed them And so this matter was laid aside as not fully pertinent to the Charge His Lordship in the next place observed That as the Case stands with the Government and People of Ireland there is a necessity that this Power that hath been thus at all times in the Deputies should still remain there for relief of the poorer sort of People who are not able to undergo the long Circuit of Legal Proceedings nor are acquainted with them and must be drawn to it by Degrees and that the Plaintiff in this Cause was a Suitor in forma pauperis That it is a great assistance to the Merchants where they may recover their Debts suddenly and not lose their occasions and their benefit by increase of Trade That some Reports being raised as if he had neglected the poorer sort of People and not given Redress as former Deputies have done he advertised it over to His Majesty and fully informed Him of the Proceedings and Instructions and desired His Majesties Pleasure which was declared by a Letter under His Majesties Signet received October 6. the Ninth year of the King and to himself directed which was read Wherein recital is made of the Instructions 1622. and particularly in the point of Judicature by the Deputies That it is necessary to uphold such Power especially for relief of the poorer sort there as formerly had been used And Power is thereby to him given notwithstanding any former Directions Proclamation or Restraint to hear and determine such Causes as shall be brought before him
Letters Patents under the Great Seal to exercise a Power against Law was complained of in Parliament and had Judgment for it among other things of High Treason They proceeded to Proof And first The Earl of Corke being asked whether before my Lord of Straffords time he hath known the Deputy or Justices alone determine any matter of Land in Equity or otherwise He Answered He remembers not any except in cases of the Church and Plantation The Lord Ranulagh being asked to that point Answered Never any to his knowledge having been of the Table two and twenty years Sir Adam Loftus being asked to the same point Answered He remembers not any having been a Privy-Counsellor 20 years The Lord Mountnorris being asked to that point Answered He never knew any having been a Privy-Counsellor since 14 Iac. and lived in Ireland 38 years That he was there all the time of my Lord Chichester or very near and was so acquainted with his proceedings that he dare engage himself for all he is worth that the Lord Chichester never put any such Order under his hand The Earl of Bath Sworn and asked to that point Answered That he hath often heard the Deputy in cases of Debt for relief of poor men hath proceeded alone but in cases of Land he never heard of any To take off Henry Dillon's Testimony the Manager alledged That he had been Sentenced at the Council-Board for speaking untruths My Lord of Strafford desired the Exception might not be made some Exceptions by him made to Witnesses against him being not admitted and that there might be unum pondus una mensura The Manager Answered In eodem genere Mali. This Exception is not for Extortion or collateral matters but for Perjury Thereupon his Acknowledgment was read wherein he confesses he had highly transgressed against the Honour of His Majesty and the Board in presuming to declare apparent untruths And that such an Acknowledgment was made was testified by Sir Adam Loftus and likewise by the Lord Dillon who shewed their Lordships the occasion thereof To the matter of my Lord Mountnorris his Imprisonment it was offered under my Lord of Straffords own hand to shew that it was partly upon the Sentence December 24. 1636. My Lord of Strafford not denying it to be his hand it was read being a Reference upon my Lord Mountnorris his Petition and in substance as followeth That for the Petitioners restraint more than twelve months he hath no body to blame but himself that hath all that space lain under a deserved censure of the Council of War and stood in Contempts and trifled with the Court of Castle-Chamber That His Majesties removal of the Sentence hath been often signified but never sued forth That the Petitioner did to the same effect Petition the Lord Deputy in May last and therefore all the Answer that for the present can be given is that his most gracious Pardon seeks no man nor can His Majesty remit all of that Sentence to be applied to the Petitioners benefit till by his humble suit he procured His Majesties Pardon under the Great Seal c. which taking the usual way and humbly acknowledging the justness of that Sentence he may have c. A Petition was then read directed to the Earl of Strafford from my Lord Mountnorris Praying a Warrant for a Pardon under the Great Seal according to the Law and the purport of His Majesties directions if his Lordship shall conceive His Majesties Letters on which the Lord Mountnorris relied as sufficient did not amount to a Legal Pardon Then was read my Lord of Straffords Answer Dublin Ianuary 30. 1636. When the Petitioner shall prefer his Petition for the said Pardon acknowledging the justness of the Sentence pronounced against him by the Council of War we shall take his Request into our further consideration Wentworth Whence one of the Managers observed That the King directs a Pardon to be drawn and till the Sentence be acknowledged to be just no consideration shall be taken and that the Preamble of the Pardon recites as much and he would not suffer it to be Sealed till this Acknowledgment passed Then was produced the Lady Mountnorris her Petition to His Majesty referred to the Lord Strafford Mr. Anslowe Sworn attested the truth of the Copy and it was read Setting forth her Sorrow on behalf of her Husband suffering in Honour Health and Imprisonment for a word mis-interpreted and still pursued in the Castle-Chamber and humbly praying a Command for his coming into England c. His Majesties Reference to my Lord of Strafford Iuly 18. 1636. His Majesty is pleased That on such a Submission as the Lord Deputy shall approve of he shall have his Liberty to come into England wherein the Lord Deputy is to take notice and to give Order therein accordingly Mr. Anslowe being asked whether this was brought to the Deputy by the Lady Mountnorris and whether he did not reject it He Answered That he was by when my Lady Mountnorris presented the Petition she was humbly on her Knees to desire my Lord of Strafford to receive it And he refused absolutely to receive it from her They then produced the Order in a Cross Suit in t Robert Parkhurst Plaintiff and the Lord Baltinglasse al. Defendants Et e contra The Order was read whereby certain Lands for 3000 l. paid at several times to the Viscount and 300 l. more to be paid afterwards were setled with Sir Robert Parkhurst William Brettergh Sworn was Interrogated touching my Lord Baltinglasse his Possession of the said Lands and his dispossessing thereof He Answered That he was Sollicitor for prosecuting of this Cause and made Defence of it in behalf of my Lord of Baltinglasse being then in England But at the time of the Decree his Lordship was come over That his Lordship never made Answer to it but when the Cause came to hearing my Lord of Strafford ordered the Possession of the Land against my Lord Baltinglasse and the Possession before was in one Grimble who was Tenant And that he could speak many other things concerning the carriage of it Mr. Glyn desired the Witness might be examined touching my Lord of Straffords purchase of those Lands and offered the Articles whereby my Lord of Strafford leased the Land for 28 years and at 666 l. per annum My Lord of Strafford confest thereupon that he had it but it was in Trust for a Noble Person The Manager observed That whether it was for a Friend or himself it is equal for a man will do a courtesie for his Friend as soon as for himself And so he concluded his Reply hoping that their Lordships were satisfied that he hath introduced an Innovation and being so that he hath exercised a Tyrannical Power over the Estates of His Majesties Subjects To such parts thereof as was new matter my Lord of Strafford replied in substance as followeth
Decree and he conceives the major part of the Table did so too he is very confident of it and he doth the rather believe it because he never knew the contrary practise at that Board in any Case besides he knows the Clerk of the Council is a very faithful and careful Servant being a sworn Officer and it is the duty of his Place to draw up Orders according to the major part of the Voices and that no member of the Board took Exception at the signing of this Order that he knows For the matter of Imprisoning the Lady my Lord of Strafford offered That he hopes it 's no great offence for the Deputy of Ireland to say as much to a Subject that 's bound to perform the Order of the Board and doth not I ought not under favour favour le ts in that Case for if Obedience be not had it is to no purpose Orders should be made For the words concerning Fining of her I offer to your Lordships Confideration that one that gives Testimony thereof is Mr. Hoy who is a party interessed and to whom the benefit will accrue of whatsoever shall be recovered and that your Lordships may remember what a ready story he told and wronged his memory to desire to speak out of his Notes for I never heard one speak more readily and conceive he is not in this particular so intire a Witness to convince me That the other Witness is Mr. Hybbots himself a weak old man that hath not Judgment sufficient but says forward and backward and may be taken any way Therefore his Testimony is not so strong and binding That suppose I had said the words they cannot make a Treason Fining in cases of Contempts being usual in Chancery here to enforce men to conform to Decrees However I stand not charged with it and when it comes in its proper place and time I trust I shall make a fair and just Answer in it The last thing in the Charge is the conveying of the Lands to Sir Robert Meredith and others to my use which I deny in my Answer and under favour deny it still For the Witnesses offered I except against Mr. Hoy as I must under favour as often as I mention it That the words spoken by Sir Robert Meredith is only his saying and offered here as a Report and when Sir Robert speaks for himself I believe he will say another thing That the Testimony of Mr. Fitzgarrett is but what Sir Philip Percival said and when Sir Philip comes to be examined himself I trust Your Lordships will find it otherwise I having never spoke to Sir Philip in all my life touching the business When my Lady Hybbotts complains of the Injustice of the Decree before Your Lordships I hope I shall clear it in its proper place but in the mean time it is no part of my Charge and I dare say they would not offer such a thing in Charge to my Lord Keeper or my Lord Chief Justice or if they should offer it they know they should have a rebuke for Lawyers must keep within the limits of the Charge and therefore in this particular I may reserve my self without prejudice in Your Lordships Opinions till it comes to its proper place where I hope I shall justifie my Carriage to be Honest and Faithful according to the Trust reposed in me His Lordship having finished his Defence the Manager began his Reply thereunto in substance as followeth That he shall not need to labour much in making a Replication little being answered to the Charge which he recited and opened That his Lordships Proceedings have in this matter been contrary to Law they must rest on their Lordships memory the Act of Parliament cited before the Instructions and the Proclamation the Exercise of a Jurisdiction on the Estate of a Lady without the least colour of Jurisdiction whereas if there had been any it would have been heard of That his Lordship answers nothing to his sending for the party Petitioning bidding him go on with the Suit and Prophesying that he might have 500 l. more That perhaps it is not material whether the Order were just or unjust and my Lord of Strafford will answer only to the Jurisdiction But we observe that yesterday he made a great flourish to the justness of a Decree let the Jurisdiction be what it will and when he cannot justifie that then he declines it That my Lord his Pulse is still beating that this is no Treason yet it is an Article to prove and conduce to the General Charge of subverting the Laws and though he pretends that these Circumstances of purchasing the Lands to his own use and speaking to the party to proceed and his Threats are not to the purpose yet under favour these and his saying when he perceived a great part to Vote against him though not the major part as he says that he could have kept it in his own hands do come home to the point That he hath exercised an Arbitrary Power specially when it is for his own benefit His pretence that this Cause was heard before the Lords of the Council and therein differs from that of my Lord Mountnorris is no answer at all for the Lords of the Council have nothing to do in matters of Freehold or Inheritance when it concerns not Plantation or the Church or is specially recommended That they concur with my Lord Primates Examination that the Clerk of the Council should draw up Orders according to the major part of the Votes but what he hath done in this case they know not and how far a Deputy might prevail with the Clerk of the Council they submit And there is an express proof of one of the Counsellors that there was 11. or 12. against the Order and nine for it And whereas it is said he is but a single Witness my Lord of Corke says though he remembers not which way the major voice went yet he remembers very well my Lord Deputy exprest those words concerning the making of a Party which shews that something was done that did not agree with his will And another Witness says that Sir William Parsons told him that the major Vote was against the Order And whereas my Lord Strafford pretends that the Privy-Counsellor that told Mr. Hoy there were more Voices for his Mother than against her must be my Lord Mountnorris That is denied and we desire Mr. Hoy may in that point explain himself He hath called Sir Philip Maynwaring and others that would have testified the truth to his advantage but not one of them expresses any thing to their knowledge but as they believe it because by the Duty of his place the Clerk of the Council ought to have drawn it up according to the Votes The Threats to Imprison and Fine the Lady and the kind of Threats are proved by two Witnesses with this addition by one That he would crack her Estate which shew a great fervency in my Lord
he would prosecute to the Blood That the Scotch Nation were Rebels and Traitors and that if His Majesty should please to send him back to the Government of Ireland he being then to come into England he would root out the Scotish Nation root and Branch And further did declare That this Oath thus enjoyned did bind to the Ceremonies of the Church not only those that were establish'd but such as were to be established so that the Oath had some affinity with the Oath in this Kingdom not long since Sir Iames Mountgomery being Interrogated what he knew concerning the contriving and imposing of the said Oath He Answered That he was very unwilling to give any Testimony in this particular because he knows there is a Petition for this Oath to which Petition his hand is among others and therefore some perchance who doe not know the passage of the business may think there was a discordance and a disagreement between the Instrument under his hand and the Testimony he must give being put to it upon Oath but he hopes there shall none appear when he hath spoken That in April as he remembers 1639. My Lord-Lieutenant then Lord-Deputy did write down Letters to the most part of all the Noblemen and Gentlemen of the Scotish Nation dwelling in Ireland in the Province of Ulster especially amongst whom the Deponent received one Letter himself and he was required by that Letter as the rest whose Letters were to one effect to repair to Dublin 27 April as he remembers that his Lordship might confer with them about some affairs that did concern His Majesties special service and therefore they were required not to fail to be there that day That thither they came and being come my Lord Viscount Mountgomery being not well in his health having got a cold in his journey the said Lord Viscount sent to excuse himself to my Lord Deputy that he was not able to come abroad for a day or two and my Lord Deputy sent him word he would come to his Lodging and gave warning to the rest of the Gent. to meet his Lordship there the next day at two of the clock that there they did all come and there were the Bishops of Down and Raffo and some others of the Clergy And being met my Lord Deputy came thither and told them he was there as their friend to acquaint them with some things that did much concern them and to give them his advice He did then tell them of great disorders in Scotland of great jealousies raised against them and that they who were present might possibly be favourers or furtherers of those distempers but he added that he hoped better of them however that it behoved them to do something to vindicate themselves from this aspersion and that they should offer it freely of themselves and not stay till it were imposed by Authority That he did insist further in his Speech and insinuated to them what was expected they should do and that they should be suitors for it That an Oath was expected according to the example of Scotland as they had there joyned in a Covenant To this purpose he did deliver himself That when his Lordship had ended the Bishops of Raffo and Down one seconding the other gave his Lordship thanks for his Lordships favour to them and told his Lordship that as those in Scotland had joyned together and conspired by an unlawful Oath so they here would joyn in a lawful oath in opposition to that and would petition for it to his Lordship It was seconded by the Bishop of Down and some others of the Clergy there little being spoken by others That the Bishop of Down desired he might draw it but the Lord-Deputy put it on the Bishop of Raffo That some of them thought it a little too hasty and when my Lord was risen up he the Deponent took on him to speak to his Lordship and told him the things spoken of there were not charged against the Nation but against the Covenanters in Scotland and did not concern themselves and therefore thought under favour that it should not be amiss to think what they should doe before they appointed a man to draw a Petition or to this effect That his Lordship was pleased to turn towards him something in choler and to tell him Sir Iames Mountgomery you may go home and petition or not petition if you will but if you do not or who doth not or to this effect shall do worse That they seeing his Lordship had resolved it should be so there was no more said The Bishop of Raffo went with the Petition in his hand to some of them being desirous to see it to contribute their advice to them and somewhat suspecting this Train of the Gentry that night again the said Bishop met with my Lord Mountgomery Sir William Stuart Sir Iames Craig and himself the Deputy and brought two draughts of Petitions the one indeed was down right railing the other not very mild he thinks howsoever they did desire to have qualified it something in words but the Bishop told them it was already so cold he was ashamed of it and could not engross it till he had shewed it my Lord Deputy to know whether he would accept of it The next morning some of them saw it with him and took exception at some bitter words that were in it and the Bishop said it was not to be disputed for my Lord Deputy had seen it and it was done with his good liking After that it was engrossed they met to have Signed it and some took exceptions that there was too great a latitude in it and desired it might be entred That they should be in the case with other His Majesties Subjects but the Bishop said he could alter nothing without my Lord-Lieutenants knowledge and he would go to my Lord with it and to my Lord Mountgomery They intreated to go along with him and my Lord was willing these words should be added That it should be in equal manner and measure with other His Majesties Subjects so the Petition was ingrossed and signed and was afterwards delivered to his Lordship That then my Lord Deputy desired them to appoint five or six of their number to wait on his Lordship and some of the Council the next morning to confer concerning the Oath and they made choice of six the Lord Mountgomery Stuart and these two Bishops Sir William Stuart and himself the Deponent when they came his Lordship caused the Clerk of the Council to read the Oath that was to be Administred and some other debates they had some offered some motions to his Lordship for some words by way of explanation as that they should not protest against any of His Majesties Royal Commands and it was desired it might be explained By just Commands or Commands according to Law My Lord did then tell them they were not to expect any other Commands from His Majesty the Oath was for no
with relation to action For these be Counsels and if a Man shall Counsel the death of the King Will any Man doubt whether this be Treason surely no man will doubt it that knowes the Laws of England The Treason is not in his words but in his wicked Counsels For under favor if it be true that he spake them they may be called wicked and that it is true they have offered proof and so he left it to their Lordships Mr. Glyn desired to add a word it concerning the Kingdom and Peers Their Lordships observe how my Lord of Strafford stands questioned for subverting of the Laws and for designing to introduce an Arbitrary Government the other day his design appeared in the exercising of a Tyrannical Power over the Persons Estates and Liberties of the Kings Subjects and though a design was in practice and something put in execution yet there was something left whereby that Treason might be raised to a higher strain For that proofs were produced the other day the exercise of this Tyrannical power in his person which was the stopping of the Streams of Justice but the Fountain of Justice was still uncorrupted and hope left and God be thanked we have hope still But this dayes work is to prove That he ascended the Throne and by his ill Counsels the Venome he had hatcht in his own heart he endeavored to infuse into the Kings Person to make Him of the same opinion with himself and that is to endeavor to corrupt the Fountain But God be thanked he hath met with a Gracious King upon whom he cannot prevaile The words laid to his Charge are very many That he should tell the King he was Absolved from all Rules of Government and that he had an Army in Ireland which he might employ to reduce this Kingdom The latter part of the words he hath endeavoured to answer and the former part proved by positive Witnesses which he hath not given answer to For the latter that concerns the Irish Army Mr. Glynn said He shall not need to put their Lordships in mind of any thing said but whereas my Lord sayes They are proved by one Witness only if your Lordships revise their Notes they shall find them prov'd by many Witnesses When he was not accused by the Commons he tells Sir William Pennyman at York he did intend to bring the Army into England but there was Vox populi and that 's a horrid Witness My Lord Cottington one of the Honourable persons present when the words were spoken testifies to their Lordships That he remembers my Lord of Strafford told the King That after things were setled he was bound to repair the property of the Subject and this under favour proves something for if some Counsel and advice were not given that there should be an invasion on the property what should engage him to tell the King he should restore it Here my Lord Cottington explained himself saying That his meaning was he hath often heard my Lord say The King and People would never be happy till there was a good agreement Mr. Glynn proeceded that if their Lordships please to look on my Lord of Straffords Interrogatory they shall find it asked his Lordship Whether he did not tell the King that he should make restitution of the Subjects propertie when the danger was over and why should his Conscience aske such a question unless there were Counsel given to invade the propriety of the Subject Your Lordships remember the words of Sir George Wentworth which Mr. Glynn said he will not repeat and when my Lord was fixed by the words of his Brother he said That tho he be my Brother I do not use to communicate my Counsels to him and that I am on my oath to conceal yet this great Counsel he did impart to Mr. Slingsby for his own purpose and to Sir William Pennyman And so having spoken to the latter part of the words the reducing of the Subjects of England by the Irish Army to shew that it stands not only on a single proof but if the whole be recollected together there be many things concurring to the positive proof thereof Mr. Glynn put their Lordships in mind of the other words to which two great Witnesses concurr and no Answer at all is given viz. That the Parliament denyed Supply and the King is loose and absolved from all rules of Government put the other words out of doors as they are not if the King be loose from all rules of Government is he not loose to doe what he will And Mr. Glynn added That he must needs give Answer to something that fell from my Lord concerning other words that they were words of Discourse and what he speaks at his Bed or his Table or in private Discourse he thinks they should not be brought against him But Mr. Glynn besought their Lordships to remember that if my Lord speaks the words as a Privy Counsellor speaking to the King concerning the Subjects property compare these words with the other Extermination and then see what the Case is The last thing in his Defence is as high as the Charge it self He is charged That being a Privy Counsellor and entrusted by the King and a man of such Eminence he should indeavour to infuse into the Kings Sacred Person such dangerous Counsels tending to the destruction of the Law and Government and consequently of King and Subject And in the close my Lord of Strafford put their Lordships in mind what a dangerous thing it is for one of the Kings Counsel to be charged for Words spoken at Council-Table to speak this in such a Presence before the Peers and Commons of the Realm that a Privy Counsellor who ought to be clear and candid is not to be questioned though he infuse dangerous Counsels That it is justification of his own Act and so great that he knows not how my Lord could say greater and so he said he hath no more to say their Lordships had heard the Proofs and Defence and comparing them together he doubts not but their Lordships are satisfied that the Commons had just cause to do what they have done My L of Strafford desired to answer one thing the Gentleman that spake last said touching his revealing the Kings Counsels to Mr. Slingsby and others he would be loth to be charged with breaking his Duty to God and the King but where he hath Power and Liberty for as concerning the imployment of that Army the King left it wholly to him to acquaint whom he thought fit for the bettering of the service But the thing that makes him rise is to represent to their Lordships that he hath been there constantly in a great deal of weakness and infirmity since 7 or 8 of the clock and now it is 5. That his Speech and Voice are spent and it is not possible for him to come here to morrow and therefore he most humbly besought their Lordships to
Money he told them that the French King did use to send Commissaries of Horse with Commission to search into mens Estates and to peruse their Accounts that so they may know what to levy of them by force which they did accordingly levy and turning to the Lord Cottington then present said That this was a point worthy of his Lordships consideration meaning this course of the French King to raise Moneys by force was a point worthy of his Lordships Consideration MR. Maynard proceeded to open the 26th Article and observed That they had shewed formerly how my Lord of Strafford had laboured a Disaffection betwixt His Majesty and His People Now they come to shew That His Majesty being put to extreame Charges by the Advice of my Lord of Strafford my Lord adds his advice for seising Money in the Mint and for that of the base Coyn or Black Money And that when some attended my Lord of Strafford about it to shew to him the danger and ill consequence that might arise from it my Lord of Strafford tells them The City had dealt undutifully and unthankfully with His Majesty and were more ready to help the Rebels than His Majesty and they may thank themselves and it was the Course of other Princes to make use of such Monies And when the Master of the Mynts gave Reasons against it my Lord said The French King uses to send Commissaries to mens Shops and to look into the Accompts and Books of men to see and peruse their Estates that they might raise and levy it by force And turning to a Noble Lord by him he said That was a point worthy of his Lordships Consideration To prove the words spoken about seising the Money in the Mint Robert Edwards was Sworn and Examined What he heard my Lord of Strafford say when he attended him about the Money seized in the Mynt He Answered That he went to his Lordship about the danger that the Company of Merchant-Adventurers were in in regard their Estates were beyond Sea giving his Lordship to understand the danger in regard so much Money was taken out of the Tower being as he remembers on Saturday night They went on Monday morning and desired my Lord to speak to His Majesty that the money might be restored again that their Means might not be seized for some strangers had threatned they would signifie to their Principal how their Money was taken from them and would seek for a recompence again by the Means they had beyond Sea And my Lord made Answer again to him and diverse others that were there That if they fared amiss they might thank themselves for if they went on in that manner they were like to find it themselves and that they should have the damage of it if they did look to it no better And withal he said That though they think it is a strange business here yet beyond Sea it is not so but on Command men have their Goods taken This was the substance as he remembers of what he said to them Being Asked What my Lord of Strafford said touching the City of London He Answered That he said They did deal very unthankfully and undutifully for there was but 14000 l. for Ship-money that was His Majesties due and they denyed the payment of that and did more to maintain the Rebels than they did to maintain His Majesty Being bid repeat his words He said That they came at first to be humble Suitors to his Lordship to be a meanes to His Majesty that the Money taken from the Tower might be restored again for the Merchants Adventurers Estates beyond Sea were in great danger in regard there were some strangers threatned to write to their Principals to stay their Estates there for the Money stayed in the Tower Whereupon my Lord made Answer That if they did speed amiss they might thank themselves for they are more ready to hold with Rebels then they were to give His Majesty His due which was 14000 l. for Ship-money Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Where he spake them and Whether he was not then Sick He Answered It was in his Chamber and my Lord did sit in his Chair and he the Examinant stood hard by him with four or five more and he conceives my Lord was sick at that time Being Asked on like motion Whether he did not tell them he was sick and could not go to the King at that time He Answered That he remembers not that my Lord said he could not go to the King but he said he knew nothing of it till that morning to his the Examinants remembrance Anthony Palmer Sworn and Interrogated What my Lord of Strafford said to him concerning the mixt Money He Answered That my Lord of Strafford had some Discourse with him and the rest of his fellow Officers concerning base Money and upon the Questioning of it they gave him their Reasons against it and the insufficiency of it to do any thing and said so much as they conceived my Lord was disswaded from going any further in it Upon this he afterwards shewed them a Letter drawn out of his Pocket which as he said was sent him out of France and in the French Tongue and because he the Examinant did not understand the French tongue he read it in English to this effect so far as the best of his memory will hold That the King of France or the French King had appointed certain Officers of his to go and take view of mens Books of Accompt and Estates by that means to see what they were worth and to know what the King might demand of them and if they were not willing to pay it there would be a force upon them to pay it This to the best of his Remembrance is that my Lord did deliver Being Asked Whether my Lord of Strafford did not speak words to this effect That if His Majesty should do so he should have the Examples of others or to that purpose He Answered Something he set forth to this effect but the very words he cannot express but it was to that purpose That he had received Letters that the King of France had sent Officers that took view of Mens Books and Accompts to raise to himself some Moneys if they were not willing by constraint and withal some other Speeches did fall from him to this purpose but the very words he cannot speak that it was an Example or might be an Example to do the like in England Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Where this was spoken He Answered It was in my Lords own house in Leister-fields he thinks and there were present three more Sir William Parkhurst Mr. Gogan and himself and my Lord Cottington was also there Henry Gogan Sworn and Interrogated What he heard my Lord of Strafford say when he attended him about the abusing of the Coyn He Answered That after the Coyning of the Base Money was thought on there were Queries made
and they were to give an Answer the next day about the making of it That was about the Expedition and what it would cost and two other Particulars the Paper Sir William Parkhurst hath But some of them spoke against the making of the Money Mr. Palmer and the rest shewed the inconvenience of it and then my Lord pull'd out a Letter in French and read it in English to this purpose That the King of France raised money by force sending Commissaries of Horse to look into their Books and Estates and levy money accordingly and did turn about to my Lord Cottington and said My Lord this is worthy your consideration or hearing or words to that purpose Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Where it was spoken He Answered It was spoken at my Lords House in the Fields in the presence of Sir William Parkhurst Lord Cottington Mr. Palmer and himself Sir William Parkhurst being Sworn and Interrogated What my Lord of Strafford said when he and the rest attended him about the Copper Money He Answered That they were sent for and the first Question they were asked was What sorts of Money were made in Queen Elizabeths time of Copper for the Kingdom of Ireland they told him what they were and that they could produce the Indentures and Circumstances of making those Monyes and they had diverse Discourses of the matter of Money and it was resolved into certain Queries that they should consider of which he the Examinant was never formerly examined of and the Papers are not here neither was he warned hither to day And in the discourse of these Moneys my Lord of Strafford did produce a Letter written in French as newes lately received from thence and doubting whether they understood French or no he Englished it in these kinds of words or thus much in substance That the French King had lately sent certain Commissaries or Commissioners into diverse parts of France there to take and peruse the Accompts of Merchants and the Books of Mens Estates whereby they might know what Estates they had and this is the substance of what he can say and further he heard him not say Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Who was there present He Answered My Lord of Strafford my Lord Cottington Mr. Palmer Mr. Gogan and himself Being Asked on the like motion Whether he heard my Lord of Strafford offer to my Lord Cottington That this was worthy his consideration or notice He Answered That he did not hear it Being Asked Whether he said That if the King should do so he should follow the Example of other Princes He Answered No. Sir Ralph Freeman being Asked What words my Lord of Strafford spake concerning Copper Money If it were refused to be taken He Answered That he was not there at the first meeting but at the private Council His Majesty being present there was a Debate about Paying Copper-Money and he the Examinant Answering That they would not work if they were paid in Copper Money My Lord of Strafford replied You know what course to take with them you may send them to the House of Correction This is all he heard Mr. Maynard desired Tho. Skinners Examination might be read as to the matter which Mr. Stewart was examined to he being seen at Westminster that morning and acknowledged that he was to be examined here as a Witness and it seems could not get in or is otherwise kept away My Lord of Strafford desired they might reserve the advantage of him and he would give way to it Mr. Maynard answered That when he sayes a Witness may be kept away it is not that he is kept away for he is here but if a Witness hath been examined and doth not come his Examinations may be read for it is possible a Witness may be kept away though he be not sick George Henley being Sworn and Interrogated Whether he saw Skinner this morning at Westminster He Answered He saw him in the Pallace-yard and he told him the Examinant that he the said Skinner was to be here as a Witness My Lord of Strafford desiring that liberty for him to Cross-examine him might be reserved and that being granted the Examinations were read The Examination of Tho. Skinner Gent. taken the 8th Ian. 1641. To the 98 Interrogatory he saith That he attended Mr. Edwards and other Merchants-Adventurers to the Lord-Lieutenant a little after the stay of the Money and Bullion in the Mynt and the said Merchants represented divers inconveniences to his Lordship which might arise from the stay thereof and alleadged That it would occasion a seisure of the English Merchants beyond the Seas Whereupon his Lordship said He did not know of the seisure until that morning But if any Inconvenience happen they may thank themselves and his Lordship further said that though this act might seem strange in England it was no newes in other Countries Where Princes made use of such means to serve their occasions and his Lordship did very much tax and blame the City of London saying They dealt unworthily with His Majesty in refusing to pay the 14000 l. of Ship-money which was His due and that they were more ready to hold with Rebels than with His Majesty and that they dealt unthankfully with His Majesty in not relieving him in His great Necessities And so Mr. Maynard concluded this Article the words charged being proved and my Lord of Straffords Answer was expected After a small time given him to recollect his Notes my Lord of Strafford made his Defence in substance as followeth That he is to give his Defence to the 26th Article the first part whereof was That he should Counsel and Approve two dangerous and wicked Projects First To seize on the Bullion and money in the mint Secondly To debase the Coyn with mixture of Brass That he hath in his Answer denied either the Counselling or the approving of these Projects as they call them and for that part which indeed would be the principal thing in the Charge if it were proved there is no offer of any proof at all that is concerning his Approving Counselling or devising those Projects To this he Answereth It will appear in their own proof he the Defendant did not Counsel the seising of the money for Mr. Edwards acknowledges when they came to acquaint him with the business he professed he knew nothing of it Nor did he being then sick and unfit for this matter And Mr. Skinner sayes He my Lord of Strafford told them That he knew nothing of the seizure of that money So that there is no Proof against him and the Proof brought Acquits him as to that For the debasing of the Coyn Mr. Palmer sayes That he and the rest of the Officers giving Reasons against it he my Lord of Strafford gave it over He remembers very well there was some speech about the Copper Coyn and that Information was to be given what Queen Elizabeth had done in
the like case And he remembers too that it was given over Also that he was one of the Committee to take Information of the Reasons for it and against it and to report and further then that he medled not with it For the rest of the Charge in telling the City They dealt undutifully with His Majesty c. he conceives the Proofs are full in the Point and fuller then any thing of the Charge since the Trial began And it is true he did not at that time think the City had dealt thankfully with His Majesty they having received so many Favours from him and He residing amongst them should refuse the Loane of 100000 l. on good security given and it might very well be as he thinks he did at that time he might say so And if he spake it out of overmuch sence towards His Majesty and His Service surely he doth not conceive it to be any great Crime to say They dealt undutifully with the King But whatsoever it was he is sure he is ready to amend it and to be of another Opinion For he remembers very well and he thinks many of their Lordships will call it to mind that when upon the return of diverse Noble Persons to York he understood that the City of London had lent the King 200000 l. he then said That he was glad for his part extreamly glad of it and all that was past formerly was now fully satisfied as to him and he should be ready to serve them with his Life for it as long as he lived And this he spake in the Great Council of the Peers at York and that he would be as ready to serve the City of London as any poor Gentleman in the Kingdom and so he sayes again he will and if at that time or other time he was so sensible of the Service of His Master as not to think it well done of them to refuse so small a Curtesie and exprest something that might have been spared Men oftentimes offend with the Tongue when they offend not with the heart And he hopes this can be no such Bloody Crime it arguing him rather to be innocent from doing any great evil when words are so often charged on him rather than doing But there are some things not proved that perhaps will be mentioned because they be singly spoken of but not doubly proved The next Charge is a Letter that he should shew about the King of France appointing Officers to take Accompts and to view mens Books and that it might be an Example for us here Which words he doth absolutely deny He never spake them He never thought them And Mr. Palmer only speaks it But sayes the very words he cannot express and if he cannot the Defendant appeales to their Lordships whether he should be Condemned for words which cannot be exprest and he hopes it will be of very little force with their Lordships when it is so uncertainly delivered But however it is a single Testimony none of the other Witnesses testifying the words as he conceives Sir William Parkhurst denies expresly that he heard them Mr. Gogan is a single Testimony in saying what my Lord of Strafford should say to my Lord Cottington That they might be worthy of his Lordships consideration And Sir William Parkhurst denies that he heard them But it will be necessary for him to let their Lordships know clearly and plainly what this great matter was concerning the French Letter for he trusts my Lord Cottington would remember it and my Lord Treasurer too if need were but this is no way in his Charge and therefore he shall not insist in the proof of it His Lordship having the honor to be of the Foraign Committee my Lord of Leicester was pleased to send weekly Letters to divers of their Lordships and among the rest he received one being in the nature of a Gazette In which Letter nothing was mentioned of Commissaries of Horse but it was mentioned that the Cardinal had given direction to certain Commissioners to go into the Houses of divers Merchants not over the Kingdom but at Paris and Inform themselves by their Books of Accompt what Estates they had that they might demand Supply This Letter he sayes he Read with this Clause You may see what is done in other places but God be thanked you have so pious and gracious a King that he thinks on none of these things he read it to them as a Gazette a foolish idle Letter and no more My Lord Cottington being Interrogated touching the Letter c. He professes that he knew nothing of such a Letter but because he would remember it he spake with Sir William Parkhurst and Mr. Palmer and some others and they told him that when my Lord was Reading the Letter he was Writing in another Room and asking Why it was said he was present they told him then That they thought Gogan had said so when there was no such matter For he having seen his name in the Printed Book he hath been careful to inform himself what kind of Letter it was for he profest to their Lordships he remembred not the Letter nor the discourse and asking Sir William Parkhurst and the rest why it was said such words were spoken to him by my Lord of Strafford they say they had been examined upon it and had denyed it For Sir Ralph Freeman's Deposition that my Lord of Strafford should say That if the poor men that work on the Money should refuse to work they might be sent to the House of Correction That he conceives he might say without offence but it is no part of his Charge My Lord Cottington being asked on Mr. Glyns motion whether he had heard of such a Letter He professed to his remembrance he never heard of the Letter Whence Mr. Maynard inferred there be others that speak to that therefore there may be something that is not remembred And so my Lord of Strafford concluded that he had told their Lordships clearly and plainly what is proved what the things were and as they were and he trusts nothing is in his Actions but such as may admit of a noble and favourable construction and so there is no more for him to Answer to this Article but only to say That under the favour of these Gentlemen nothing can incline one way or other to be an accusation of High-Treason To which Mr. Maynard made a Reply in substance as followeth That he should not hold their Lordships long in Reply to this My Lord denies the Counselling and Approving the matter of seizing the Mynt and debasing the Coyn and a Witness produced sayes My Lord knew nothing of it that they can press no farther but that is no justification to my Lord Strafford to retort such words concerning the Great City of this Kingdom on so small an occasion as their desire to have their Money discharged It was a grievous thing and is not to be slighted
that their Estates being beyond Sea my Lord of Strafford should make so little of it But my Lord Answers nothing to these words That the City of London was more ready to help the Rebels than to help the King and he doth well not to do it for whosoever doth help a Rebel is of the same condition with the Rebel For the matter of the Letter it is of no great importance whether it be so or no But the matter is What Speeches were used My Lord sayes the Speeches are proved by only one witness But the truth is one Witness positively swears one part and another the other part but both agree That my Lord Cottington was there though Sir William Parkhurst doth not remember it Mr. Whitlock added That my Lord of Strafford is pleased to mention a Letter from an Honouable person my Lord of Leicester and now he observes it was a Gazette and no Letter at all from my Lord of Leicester But my Lord of Strafford desired he might not be mistaken he being very tender to have it laid on him that he should in any thing speak untruth or contradict himself Their Lordships know the Letters sent familiarly every week from my Lord of Leicesters Secretary as News to the forreign Committee are only in the nature of a Gazette and so he intended to open it Mr. Strowd added there is something in the Tract of this Article that sticks near to me and I cannot let it pass Whereas my Lord sayes Words are only laid to his Charge which argues his innocency in Fact in that he hath been sparing in doing whatsoever his Language is First The Laws are clear that words may be Treason and to every mans reason it sounds thus far That words in consequence may go beyond some actions and words of the highest nature he hath used all trenching deeper on us than some Acts might have done to counsel His Majesty in things of that consequence it touches not only on the safety of His Majesties Crown but also on the Liberty of his People and may go beyond force for if my Lord of Strafford had brought in his 8000 Irish by force we might have withstood them by force But when he goes to the Ear of a pious Prince and insinuates that we know not of and brings a desolation on a Kingdom who shall repell such Language when force may repell Forces And surely had he plotted and devised against His Majesty by any one which God forbid he should or that His Majesty should be in that danger the pretence of a Prince might have daunted a Traitor that he could not have done the work yet had he done it which God forbid a Prince may dye with fair reputation to posterity but when he shall inspire a Prince in his ear and provoke tyrannical Carriage to His Subjects he may abuse a good Prince but how he may leave him to posterity I leave to your Lordships But my Lord stays not singly in Counsel and Advice but something was done upon it I appeal to your Lordships when proof shall be brought in the case and First consider the misery that England is now in what could have been done more to have made us miserable but absolute desolation The Aldermen were committed that very day and though it cannot be proved he gave the immediate Counsel yet he gave the Counsel that hath been proved and that day four of them were committed and this the Aldermen are ready to prove Sir Henry Garaway Interrogated Whether any of the Aldermen were committed He Answered That he shall not need to Answer that for my Lord will confess it there were four Aldermen committed Alderman Rainston Alderman Somes Alderman Geere Alderman Atkins and it was the same day they were there to give an account of the able Men and the loan of 100000 l. Their Answer not giving satisfaction they were committed the same day to several prisons by what Order or Direction he knows not So Mr. Glyn desired their Lordships to observe the words proved against him That no good will be done on them till they were laid by the heels which my Lord sayes produced no effect yet that very day four were laid by the heels and it rests upon their Lordships Judgements by whose advice And Mr. Strowde concluded That my Lord of Straffords Words and Actions Agree in this Kingdom and the miseries of this Kingdom do agree with his Words and Actions And so the 26th Article was concluded THE Seven and Twentieth Article The Charge 26 THat in or about the month of August last he was made Lieutenant-General of all His Majesties â—orces in the North prepared against the Scots and being at York did then in the month of September by his own authority and without any lawful Warrant impose a Tax on His Majesties Subjects in the County of York of eight pence per diem for maintainance of every Soldier of the Trained-bands of that County which sums of Money he caused to be levied by force And to the end to compel His Majesties Subjects out of fear and terror to yield to the payment of the same he did Declare that he would commit them that refused the payment thereof and the Soldiers should be satisfied out of their Estates and they that refused it were in very little better condition than of High Treason MR. Maynard proceeded to the 27 the Article That the Earl of Strafford imposed a Tax on His Majesties Subjects in the County of York of 8 d. per diem for the maintainance of every Soldier of the Trained Band of that County causing it to be levied by force Threatening them that refused with Commitment and that they that did not pay the Soldiers should be satisfied out of their Goods and they were in little better case than the case of High Treason that refused to pay The state of their proofs will stand thus There were three Levies First a months Contribution and that was for the general The Second a Contribution for a fornight and that was for two particular Regiments or Companies A Third for a month more so it was for ten weeks in the whole My Lord of Strafford pretends two things in his Answer for his excuse First That it was upon a Petition from the Country To that we say this The Country did petition His Majesty offering their endeavour in that Petition they likewise desire a Parliament for redress of grievances with which Petition some principal Gentlemen of the Countrey attended my Lord of Strafford desiring his assistance He likes well the clause concerning the Petitioners endeavours but not that touching the Parliament and therefore he would not deliver it though he said it would fall out there would be a Parliament His Majesty having resolved it but he likes not that they should Petition it They refusing to retract from their Petition he doth in the name of some of his Lordships Friends and Dependants
answer Categorically He Answered That he verily believes my Lord did so and that under favour reaches almost to a knowledge the thing is so notorious that the thing it self may be known Being required to speak his knowledge Whether my Lord of Strafford told them the Lords had Commanded or Consented to it He Answered When that was spoken of he was out of the Room and it was drawn by Mr. Rockley a Deputy Lieutenant but Mr. Rockley told him my Lord did say so Being yet again prest to a positive Answer Mr. Maynard observing to their Lordships That when a Gentleman is brought upon his Oath in a Cause of this Consequence this Dalliance is not to be admitted He Answered That he Answer'd as clearly as can be And the Gentlemen will not press him beyond his knowledge He sayes he doth confidently believe it but under favour he was not at that time in the Room but Mr. Rockley told him My Lord of Strafford had acquainted the King and the Great Council Mr. Maynard observing That now he speaks less then before and desired he might be Interrogated Whether at that time or at any other time my Lord of Strafford told him The Lords of the Great Council had assented to this Levy Which being proposed He Answered He doth confidently believe my Lord did it It may be proved by a great many others but he is confident of this as of any thing in the World that my Lord did tell them when they went to draw the Warrant That my Lord had acquainted the Lords of the Great Council and His Majesty and that he did it by their Consent and therefore they put it into the Preamble of their Order Sir Hen. Griffin Sworn and Interrogated Whether my Lord of Strafford said The Lords of the Great Council had consented to the levying of Money He Answered He heard my Lord say so indeed or else they had not set their hands to the Order that he had direction from the Great Council to levy Money for Sir William Pennyman and Sir Tho. Danbies Regiments Being Interrogated In what manner the Money was to be Levyed He Answered That he doth not know in what manner Being Asked on my Lord of Clares Motion What he meant by this Direction He Answered That there was an Order made from all them that were Deputy-Lieutenants and my Lord of Strafford as one and this is the Order concerning the levying of Money for the two Regiments Being Asked on Mr. Glyns Motion Whether my Lord of Strafford had not directed the money to be levied in manner as is exprest in the Order He Answered That to his best Remembrance my Lord did say so he must confess Being Asked Whether in case any refused to pay this money they were not to be compelled to serve in person He Answered There was such a Clause in the Order to his best Remembrance Mr. Robert Strickland Sworn and Interrogated Whether my Lord of Strafford said The Great Council had directed Warrants should be issued for the levying of Money He Answered Yes It cannot be deny'd He the Examinant gave a Copy of that Order when the last Commissioners were at Rippon and he saw a Gentleman even now behind him that had a Copy of the Order and Warrant and it is declared that it was done by the Great Council of the Peers Sir Iohn Burroughes Sworn and Interrogated Whether he knew of any such VVarrant or Order for levying money for those two Regiments He humbly intreated That he might have their Lordships direction before he Answered the Question for their Lordships know very well that by His Majesties Command he was appointed to be Clerk or Register of the Great Council Moreover he conceives That by his duty all Orders and Resolutions of the House especially those that concerned third Parties without asking leave he was to deliver to the parties if they required them But for such Debates and Arguments as were used in the Great Council to and again between their Lordships he humbly intreated their Lordships Direction VVhether he should publish any thing of them or no And upon their Lordships Order he shall clearly and with all integrity deliver the truth Being permitted by their Lordships to speak to the Questions propounded He proceeded and said That he hath very good cause to remember that upon the 20th of October he went to my Lords Commissioners for the Scotch Treaty at Ripon and upon that day there were two prime Gentlemen of those parts that came and attended the Lords he thinks about business of their own and he supposes only to tender their service to their Lordships That amongst some other Discourses betwixt the Lords and them they mentioned some such Order as this was concerning the relieving of the two Regiments that were for the Guard of Richmondshire and some other of those parts made as they said by the Great Council of the Peers and thereupon that themselves my Lord of Strafford and the rest of the Deputy-Lieutenants had granted out VVarrants for the Assessing of Money for the relieving of those Regiments Those that heard it were startled at the Order being said to be an Order of the Great Council and commanded him the Examinant to inform them VVhether he knew of any such Order he told them He remembers not any such Order and was confident he never drew up any because he never heard any mention of those two Regiments in the Great Council Their Lordships asking him whether he was sure of it he told their Lordships he would look on his Notes and faithfully inform them how the case stood he did so and came back to their Lordships and told them he found nothing in his Notes of these Regiments and while he was there he was confident no Order was drawn up It is true he told their Lordships some Order might be drawn up when he was absent for he was first at Ripon and at York he was oftentimes employed in the Committee to write Letters and Orders and what was done in his absence he could give no answer to but confident he was no Order was made before the 20th of October by him or in his hearing or knowledge Hereupon the Lords desired those two Gentlemen to give them Copies of the Warrants they had sent out And that he the Examinant should take their Testimony which he did this was the Twentieth or Twenty seventh of October which was the last day of the Great Council of the Peers My Lord of Strafford in Council then did take notice that some such thing had been done at Ripon and then said to my Lord that he did conceive he had the Kings Order and their Lordships Approbation for the issuing out of this VVarrant But since he conceived their Lordships disliked it he had taken Copies of it he was very willing to withdraw these Warrants And on Debate there was nothing more done For his part he never drew up an Order nor
was he commanded to draw it up Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords Motion Whether on that last day His Majesty was not pleased to say in the Council That what the Earl of Strafford did in that Affair was with His consent He Answered It is true He did give his consent to it and commanded him to go on with it when he the Earl of Strafford desired if any thing were amiss in it he might call back his Warrant again and that he might easily do it and no hurt would come of it and whether His Majesty did thereupon affirm that my Lord of Strafford had formerly acquainted Him with it and He Commanded him to go on He Answered That it is very true My Lord Deputy appealed to the King VVhether he had not His Majesties Approbation and Order for it and the King said He did acquaint Him with it before the Lords But not to his Knowledge that He commanded him to proceed Being Asked on my Lord of Essex motion VVhether some of the Lords did not take exception at the VVarrant and likewise thought fit it should be called in again He Answered That the Vote generally of the Lords was against the VVarrant but he remembers not any thing said for the recalling of it but they absolutely declined the making of any such VVarrant Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion VVhether it was Voted or no He Answered That it was spoken to by several of my Lords but all declined it Being Asked VVhether he had the VVarrant or a true Copy of it He Answered He hath a Copy of that which was delivered him by the two Gentlemen that were then at Ripon and their hands are to it to attest it and he saw them set their hands to it himself Being bid to name the two Gentlemen He said They were Mr. Robert Strickland and Mr. Mallard VVho did affirm That to the best of their remembrance this is a true Copy of the VVarrant sent out to the several Divisions To prove Execution by force Mr. Henry Cholmeley Interrogated What he heard the Earl of Strafford say touching the Vice-Presidents issuing of Warrants He Answered That shortly after my Lord of Straffords coming to York in the Presence-Chamber at York he the Examinant among some other Gentlemen were summoned to be there where my Lord of Strafford speaking of the Trained-Bands occasion was offered by another that was there How the private or common-men should be maintained My Lord of Strafford Answered It had been always the Custom that the private men should serve themselves in person or maintain the charge of them that served for them and the common mens charge is borne by the several Constables in the Towns where they live And he said to His Majesty Sir if you please Mr. Vice-President may or shall the Examinant knows not which send out Warrants to that purpose but whether he sent out any or no he cannot tell William Dowsen Sworn and Interrogated How he hath known those moneys for the Trained-Bands levyed He Answered His Answer being commanded by the Clark the Witnesses having a low voice That Mr. Yaworth Sergeant-Major to Sir William Pennyman came with Four Musketiers to the Lordship of Egton and sent them for Assessors and when the Assessors came they were importuned to have them Assess for they had been unwilling to Assess and if they would not they should answer it before my Lord General and then they consented to Assess and he shewed a Warrant from Sir William Pennyman and gave it to the Constable for the Collection of the Money Being Asked VVhether he threatned That he should serve in person if he did not pay He Answered Yes by Serjeant-Major Yaworth and so he served under Sir William Pennymans Regiment Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion VVhether he saw any VVarrant of his He Answered No. Being Asked VVhether the Four Musketiers did not go along with the Constable from place to place to levy the money He Answered Two Musketiers went with every Constable to levy it William Pierson Sworn and Interrogated VVhether Four Musketiers or Soldiers did not come to Collect this Money He Answered Yes And he saw them in the Town go altogether in with the Constables but in the Deales or outsides there went but with each Constable one The Lordship consists of Long Deales distant one from another 12 score and in those out-places one went with a Constable but in the Town all four went Being Interrogated By what VVarrant He Answered That he did see a VVarrant that was receiv'd from Captain Yaiworth under Sir William Pennymans hand and he saw his name at it Sir William Ingram Sworn and Interrogated VVhat he hath heard my Lord of Strafford say touching this business of levying Money and What condition they were in that deny'd to pay it He Answered That soon after the Trained-Bands were Commanded to be drawn forth he found the opportunity and did move my Lord of Strafford acquainting him what Case Soldiers were in For he the Examinant had been with the Soldiers and found them willing to March if they might know how to be maintained the Masters had refused to pay the private men and the Constables said the Parishes were so poor that they could not collect any more money and desired his Lordship would be pleased before they were drawn forth he might know how they should be maintained And his Lordship gave him this Answer That the private men must maintain their Soldiers after the rate of 8 d. a day so long as they were forth else he would Commit them and order should be taken the Soldiers should be maintained after 8 d. a day out of their Estates And commanded him the Examinant to speak to the Constables that Assessments might be made for the maintenance of the Common Army and if any did refuse to pay their parts of an Assessment they should be likewise committed to Prison and lie there and the Common Soldiers should be maintained after the rate of 8 d. a day and he would have men know that refusing to pay such Contribution they were in little better condition than guilty of High-Treason Sir Harry Griffin being Interrogated VVhether my Lord of Strafford sent not Messengers to them that refused to pay this Money Assessed He Answered That indeed he doth not know of any thing concerning the two Regiments of Sir William Pennyman and Sir Thomas Danby but for his own he can speak That about the latter end of August last he was commanded by the Sergeant Mayor-General of the Trained-Bands to advance his Regiment and assoon as they were advanced there issued forth assessments for a whole Monthes pay for his whole Regiment and on this Warrant he received 300 l. or thereabouts but more they would not nor could not pay whereupon he went to my Lord of Strafford and told him He could not keep his Companies together without Money and my Lord bid him go
Shire who did give their consent and he named divers of them To prove that he did nothing by force but by unanimous consent of all Sir Paul Neal was first called and being Interrogated Whether the Petition Signed by the Lord Wharton and the rest was not by the major of the Gentlemen there declined and laid aside He Answered That he was amongst divers others present at this meeting in the Common-Hall and on the first coming thither this Petition was presented by my Lord Wharton in the name of the Gentlemen that had subscribed it on the reading of the Petition my Lord of Strafford did conceive that the clause concerning the desire of a Parliament was in it self superfluous because the King had declared his intention to have one if at the meeting of their Lordships at York it should be desired and therefore he desired the clause might be put out and another Petition presented to the effect of the former only the last clause omitted and that might be verbally presented by some such man as the major part of the company should choose and on a long debate it was concluded to the best of his remembrance by Vote and the whole Vote of the company went it should be delivered by my Lord of Strafford according to the substance of the Petition the last clause left out and to the negative part there were some four or five he dares confidently swear not above halfe a score Being asked what number there was of the company that were willing to wave the Petition He Answered That the Hall was very full he cannot give account of a certain number nor knew the subscription of the Petition for till now he remembers not that ever he heard the particular names read but there was he thinks 200 Gentlemen of several ranks Being asked whether it was not the voluntary consent of them all that a months entertainment should be allowed the Trained Bands He Answered That he conceives the consent was given no fuller nor larger but just the same as in the Petition saving that one clause Which Mr. Maynard observed went not further than to promise an endeavor Sir Paul Neal being Interrogated whether the Money was not voluntarily paid all over the Countrey for the months entertainment with force or violence He Answered he can give no answer to that having nothing to do in the Countrey as Deputy-Lieutenant or Officer and other than he heard by discourse he cannot speak of his knowledge Being asked on Mr. Glyns motion Whether the major part of them that Signed the Petition did wave it He Answered That he conceives he gave an Answer to that before for he remembers not that till this day he ever knew the names of the Gentlemen that subscribed it but only an attestation that about 100 had subscribed and whether the major part of those were present he doth not know Being asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Whether he did not know divers of them that Signed the Petition declared themselves for the waving of it He Answered He did not know who had Signed it and who not saving only some Gentlemen speaking in the debate did declare that they in particular had Signed it and did recede from it Being asked what he meant when he said that not above halfe a score went to the negative of the Message He Answered That he meant it of them that were in the Hall Sir Edward Osborne was called to be a Witness for my Lord of Strafford but Mr. Maynard excepted against his being examined as being one of them that sent out the Warrant for paying Money on pain of death and as Sir William Pennyman would have declined answering any thing of his own Act as concerning himself so it was desired this Gentleman might not be examined to the justification of himself by saying the Money was levied by consent But Sir Edward alledged to their Lordships That there is particular complaint in the Petion against his Warrant and therefore it was issued long before the Petition presented After some further debate the Examination of him was resolved upon Sir Edward Osborne being Interrogated Whether the major part of them that subscribed the Petition and were present at the second meeting did not decline the Petition He Answered That he cannot say the major part of them that subscribed the Petition did dissent openly in the Hall for he thinks many of them were gone out of Town but he is sure the major part there nay all but about Ten did consent to the leaving out of the clause touching the Parliament and to a Months pay and on that it was humbly moved to my Lord he cannot tell whether by himself the Examinant that my Lord would do them the Honor to represent their ready affections to do the King that service that he would be their Mouth which accordingly his Lordship did and they all attended him when he delivered the Message and he doth not remember there was above 4 or 5 Gentlemen that opened their mouths against this consent not in words what their hearts were he cannot tell Being asked Whether many that had subscribed the Petition did not declare they would not wave it and go the other way He Answered There were some that did indeed but he doth not know how many Sir Edward Robinson in particular and gave his reasons for it Sir Richard Hutton and some others Being asked how many Gentlemen he thinks were present at that meeting He Answered The Hall was very full and there were Gentlemen Freeholders and others to the number of 300 as near as he could imagine Being asked Whether that was not the place and time appointed by the King for the Countrey to meet and Treat about the business He Answered Yes it was so by His Majesties special Command the day before Being asked whether my Lord of Strafford did not go to the Mannor and many Gentlemen with him and delivered their Message to the King faithfully and justly as he had in Commission to do and no otherwise He Answered That according to their desire to his Lordship he went presently to the Mannor and they all attended him but he could not hear the Message delivered the croud was so great Being asked on Mr. Maynards motion whether there was any difference between the Message and Petition but only the leaving out the last clause touching the Parliament He Answered Truly No but the principal things he took notice of was a Months pay Being asked on Mr. Palmers motion of what quality they were that were in the Hall whether not some that came to gaze only and not prosecute the matter of the Petition He Answered That it is impossible for him to see through the bodies of men but there were not many of inferior quality that he knew but had he time to do it they should make a Catalogue of as many Gentlemen and Freeholders as set their Hand to the Petition but he cannot see in
such a room as this whether there be Serving-men or Aprentizes in a croud To which Mr. Maynard answered much less can he hear it Sir William Pennyman Interrogated whether the Petition deliver'd by my Lord Wharton was by the major part of the Gentlemen that met according to the Kings appointment at the place proper for the business declined And whether they did not declare their consent to a Months pay and that my Lord of Strafford should deliver the Message by word of mouth He Answered That the major part did decline the delivery of the Petition and it was done upon a Vote there being some difference of opinion and he thinks truly according to his conjecture there were 200 voices at the least to three or four Happily some others tacitly might be of another opinion but there was to his best remembrance three or four voted against it Being asked whether divers that Signed it did not decline it He Answered That divers that set their Hands to the Petition did retract it whereof he himself was one and divers other Members of the House whom he offered to name if their Lordships required it but that their Lordships did not think fit to direct Being asked Whether my Lord of Strafford did not faithfully and rightfully present to His Majesty the Message he was intrusted with He Answered That he was one of them that went with my Lord but was in the same condition with Sir Edward Osborne for the crowd was so great that he could not come to hear Where my Lord of Strafford desired their Lordships to take notice that it was not in a corner when Gentlemen of their Quality could not come near Being asked on Mr. Maynards motion Whether there was to be any difference between what was to be delivered to the King and that contained in the Petition the last Clause excepted He Answered That he conceives nothing was to be omitted but only that of the Parliament Being asked on the Lord Whartons motion Whether he and another had not Commission to acquaint my Lord of Strafford from them that had subscribed the Petition that they had a Petition to be deliver'd his Lordship for His Majesty and whether he brought not word back again that they should wait on his Lordship with the Petition on Saturday at One or Two of the clock and at his Lordships own house and whether they did not accordingly wait on him He Answered That he did and they did come and it was purposely that they might most of them goe to the Hall not to make my Lords House a place of his debate Being asked whether he was not directed to acquaint my Lord of Strafford with the Petition and whether he brought back word about the time of attending He Answered It is true he did but he knows not whether he brought it on a Message from my Lord. Being urged to Answer that positively Whether he brought it as a Message from my Lord. He Answered That it may very well be he did he thinks he did but he added in effect his desire was to know what the Question tended to Mr. Maynard thereupon desired of their Lordships that a Witness at the Bar might not demand the meaning of a Question before he answers to the truth of it And Mr. Glyn observed that my Lord of Strafford had several times besought he might go on quietly with his Evidence and they hope their Lordships will justify them that they have behaved themselves as men intrusted by the House of Commons and that their Lordships will not suffer this Language to be used They must demand Justice And Mr. Maynard added that they desire only that the Witness may readily answer to the Question propounded and not advise what may be the consequence or enquire the intention of them for they are to speak only the truth But my Lord of Strafford conceived it a very fitting Question for the Witness to desire to understand the Question before he answers it and that 's all he doth as he conceives Being required to answer positively whether he brought that Message from my Lord of Strafford touching the time of delivering the Petiton He Answered That he did My Lord of Strafford here offered to their Lordships that he conceives this Question not material to him he was then extream sick and in his sick Bed when he should send this Message and that truly he was never in such height of incivility towards any man alive of a far meaner Quality than my Lord Wharton as to send them word they should attend him at such an hour he knows what belongs to my Lord Wharton and what to himself much better than to send for or expect any attendance from his Lordship Sir William Savill being Interrogated whether the Petition Signed as aforesaid was not absolutely by the major part of them in the Hall declined and voted that it should not be delivered He Answered That he was there and by the major part of the Gentlemen present it was delivered and consented that my Lord should deliver the substance of the Petition to the King by word of mouth saving the last Clause concerning the Parliament Being asked Whether there were not divers that Signed it who did afterwards retract it And whether himself did not He Answered there were and that he himself Signed the former Petition and then it came to be disputed before them whether they should retract it or no he was against the retracting of it and many delivered Votes against it under 10 he believes and for his own part he said nothing to it but it was carried so clearly by the opinion of them present that he went along with a great number of Gentlemen that went with my Lord to the King and he heard my Lord faithfully deliver the substance of the Petition in every thing and with more advantage to them than the Petition was drawn except the business of the Parliament Being asked whether part of it was not the consent to a months pay of the Trained Bands He Answered That he verily believes it was the intention of them all that a months pay should be paid to the Soldiers of the Countrey and the months pay was paid Being asked Whether it was not willingly and voluntarily paid in every place without constraint to his knowledge He Answered That in that part where he lived no body denyed whatsoever was asked so there was no pressing of any body to pay a penny nor complaint of any body for want of Money Sir William Pennyman being asked to the said last point He Answered That it was with a agreat deal of alacrity and cherfulness and he heard no man repine at it then nor since Sir Edward Osborne Interrogated to that Point Answered He never knew of any forcible course to make men pay it but it was freely paid Sir William Savill being Interrogated How many of
Regiments that the burden of all might lie equal on all This was his intention and he hopes it was fair and if not as it ought to be yet it was done with a very good heart and justly intended This he moving at that time His Majesty was pleased to assent to it and lik'd it very well and gave direction he should proceed whereupon he said Then if my Lords approve of it he shall see it done accordingly There were diverse of the Lords then said yes and thereupon he took it for granted that it was their Consent If in this he did mistake of their Lordships he humbly craves their pardon it being far from him to prejudice any man living in that relation and that it was so he thinks a Noble Peer then present viz. my Lord of St. Albanes will remember that diverse on the Motion did say yes and thereupon he took it to be a thing granted And that as my Lord of St. Albanes who being gone home indisposed in his health my Lord of Strafford desired he might reserve himself the benefit of his Examination if he shall see cause though he hopes there will be no need of it After this he understanding that some of their Lordships at Rippon were not satisfied because the Great Council was named for the Author of the Warrant the very last day the Great Council sate at Yorke their Lordships being then come back from Rippon he moved it to the King and gave the same Relation there that he makes here before their Lordships desiring to know their pleasure whether the Warrant should be recalled or no for he could then easily do it Nothing being done upon it Under favour some of their Lordships said The Great Council had no power to levy Money To which he Answered That the Warrant was not to levy Money but that the parties concerned should do their duties themselves or otherwise pay the Money At that time it pleased His Majesty to Command him to go on and after the King had spoken no man spake to the contrary and so the Warrant was not recalled but the Moneys were paid voluntarily no force or constraint being put upon any but they took it as a great benefit that they had that favour as for his part he conceived it was And all himself got by it was That by this means himself and all his Tenants and those that had relation to him came to pay their proportionable shares which otherwise should not have paid a Farthing for they were at a great distance in the West-riding and they paid it voluntarily and willingly and when he spake with the Deputy-Lieutenants they all conceived it a benefit and advantage to the Country and it was done with their Consent and a great Ease and a Burden to no man So he acknowledges such a Warrant was granted but nothing of force or constraint Mr. Ro. Strickland Interrogated Whether he conceived not this a great ease to the Country thus to lay the last Fortnights Pay for the two Regiments And stood with his Advise and the Advise of his Lieutenants He Answered That it was very well paid for any thing he knows but the most part of it if it was paid was paid after he came to London But he conceives that if those Regiments must stand or the other March up to their Reliefe it was for the ease of the Country and so he conceived then otherwise he should not have subscribed the Warrant and it had laid heavy on those Divisions where the two Regiments of Sir William Pennyman and Sir Thomas Danby lay who had been undone by it It was done meerly for their Relief without any ill intent whatsoever Sir Edward Osborne Interrogated What he thinks of the Course and Whether he consented not to it as a very great Advantage He Answered The Question being propounded by my Lord Lieutenant to the Deputy Lieutenants Whether two Regiments that lived on the place the Frontier of the North-Riding should be paid by the Countries Contributing or their Charge or the Country to send their Regiments for relief of these two they conceived it was a mighty ease and benefit to the Country to pay the two Regiments and the rest of the Trained-Bands continue For some of them must March 70 miles in way and 70 miles backwards and some of them that lay there never stirred out of their own Towns and therefore they were of opinion It was a marvellous ease Being Asked Whether this Fortnights Pay was voluntarily paid in the Parts where he lived and Whether Force was used He Answered He lived at York altogether and cannot tell But some Officers asking What they should do for the Moneys that are behind for relief of the two Regiments my Lord Answered That which will be willingly and freely paid you must take it that which will not you must let it alone and this was four or five dayes before my Lord of Strafford came from York Sir William Pennyman being Interrogated touching the Convenience and Ease of this Course He Answered That he conceives it very easie and advantagious for else some of the Regiments must have marched 70 miles and it would have taken up a great part of the Charge in the very March My Lord of Strafford added That he would prove it by all the Deputy Lieutenants that were there that no Force or Constraint was put upon any man by him nor is there any proofes to prove Force There be onely two things insisted on One is the Warrant of Sir Edward Osborne that they should pay Money on peril of their Lives He denies that he signed any such Warrant and he is sure there is none under his hand If they have it to show he desires they would shew it if they do not then their Lordships Judgments will acquit him of it The other is Sergeant Major Yowards Warrant and a fellow that tells a Tale of Muskiteers and sayes there was a Warrant of his But he sayes he made no such Warrant he gave no direction for it neither is there any such Warrant shown and he trusts that will acquit him of that too And if there be any thing of Crime in the business it must be that they have been constrained by force to pay the Moneys for if it be voluntarily offered to take or leave this can be no Crime and that there was any force or any Warrant issued by him he denies And by this time he thinks he hath cleared himself against all the matters charged in this Article But he conceives he hath done nothing but that he had Commission and power to do though he never had acquainted the Great Council with it under favour It is true he was alwayes desirous to have the assistance of Men wiser than himself and when there was means or opportunity to gain it he took it But if he had been in Yorkshire all alone having the Power and Commission he then had though
the Warrant is to pay the Money Assessed and if they will not they shall attend so that what is matter of service is turned out of its Course and this is a high abuse of his power which makes that matter of Money which should be matter of Service and by this meanes awes men to pay money The Country on demand of His Majesty did consent to a Moneths pay but my Lord without their consent extends it beyond and pretends an Order to say no more of it when there was no such thing to draw some Deputy-Lieutenants together and when they are drawn to make an Order this must be his Justification of that which is unduely done And this is far from the mitigation of an Offence To do an unjust Act is one thing but it is a great aggravation when it is drawn by pretence of an authority which never was On 27 October the self same day Sir Iohn Burroughs spake of notice taken by their Lordships disclayming the Order for a Warrant And then my Lord acknowledged it to be an Error and it is doubtful whether he would have acknowleged it to be so if it had not been proved so My Lords Commission speaks not of Money and the Statute makes not to this Case it being only That when men are on their Allegiance doing the King faithful service they should not be attainted of High-Treason for doing their duty And the Interpretation his Lordship puts on it is that the duty of the Subject cannot be done to the King without levying money in an unlawful way if the levying of Money or the Imposing of Charges be matter of duty then he gives a Justification of the Charge And whereas he sayes though he had not had command from His Majesty nor Order from the Council of Peers he had power enough to do that which he did it is to be observed that my Lord did not require men first to serve but first to pay money and if they paid not then he Menaces them that they should serve as appears by Sir William Pennymans Warrant and therefore the Warrant might be observed which Sir William Pennyman justifies so unwillingly though in other things he be very forward and for a man to be required to pay Money and if he will not pay it then to perform service is hard for now he comes not on the Kings service but on the displeasure of them that require Money from him and that 's a bad discouragement to them that serve And whereas my Lord sayes nothing is proved or but by single proof their Lordships may be pleased to remember what is proved by Sir Henry Griffin That my Lord said That Money should be levied and he would take a course for it and the same Gentlemen deposes that the Warrant or Order was under my Lord Straffords hand which was the Warrant for them to pay Money It is likewise proved by Sir William Ingram that he said the private men must maintain after 1 d. per day and gave out his Command to the Constables and he would have all men know that those that refused it were in a little better condition than High Treason so that to the first part there is more than a single Testimony The latter part shall be proved by an other Mr. Henry Cholmley being Interrogated What he heard my Lord of Strafford speak concerning Treason in case men pay not that Money or to that effect He Answered That he heard not any thing at all of Treason Cconcerning the not payment Answered That at York at the Mannor-House my Lord of Strafford speaking of the raising of the Trained-Bands said we are all by Law tyed to serve the King in our own persons and if any refuse they are in little better case than Treason he cannot tell whether he said High Treason and they might be severely punished in the Star-Chamhamber And their Lordships may remember Mr. Cholmeleys former Testimony that the Vice-President might or shall send forth Warrants to levy Money And therefore these Gentlemens Testimonies stand without impeachment of that point My Lord sayes Moneys were not levyed by force yet it was proved that for these two Regiments Money was levyed by force for Four Soldiers came to the Town and went with the Constables But he sayes it concerns not him for no Warrant of his was shown Their Lordships will not expect that my Lord of Strafford should give particular Warrants to every Officer his Direction is proved in general his Commands are conveyed and distributed by particular Ministers The Captains look for Commands from them that are above them and they from the Lieutenant-General And Sir William Pennyman conceives the Warrant made out by the Vice-President was by a Warrant from my Lord of Strafford or he had my Lord of Straffords Command So that take that which is under Hand and Seal take what Sir William Pennyman take what Mr. Cholmeley hath spoken it cannot be otherwise but it was done by my Lord of Straffords Command and that is sure without legal Authority and so Mr. Maynard conceived they had made a full proof of this Article For that which concernes the Great Council he desired my Lords Answer might be read where he sayes expresly It was done by order of the Lords of the Great Council And Mr. Maynard humbly prayed that some of the Lords of the Great Council might declare the Truth in that Case But my Lord of Strafford Answered That he confessed it here at the Barr that it is so and must humbly put their Lordships in mind that in his Answer he prayes if any thing be mistaken he may have time to amend it and he doth amend it he confesses it was put in too strongly Mr. Glyn added That they put their Lordships in mind of it that it may not be forgotten After his Lordship was put in mind of it by the Lords of the Great Council he retracts it yet when he comes to Answer he affirms it therefore they think it necessary to put their Lordships in mind of it least he affirm it again Mr. Whitlock observed That my Lord of Strafford had made Justification of his Act here and truely the opinions which he hath here published and declared in the face of the Parliament are sufficient grounds of Condemnation of him He said the other day That in case of necessity the King was loose and absolved from all Rules of Government and that then Money might be levied by Force and that their Lordships very well remembers what that necessity was indeed no necessity at all But whatsoever the necessity is they know no such Tenent as my Lord of Strafford publishes But it is expresly against the Fundamental Lawes of the Kingdom and a meer Course for his bringing in an Arbitrary Power His Lordship said That as he stood qualified he might justifie as much as he hath done Which words are little less than the offence wherewith he is charged
and prove the Charge For him to say That as he was then qualified because he was Lieutenant General of the Army he might send his Warrants to Tax the Kings Subjects without Parliament is to take on him the Power of a Parliament for under favour no such Tax can be made without assent in Parliament So that what my Lord of Strafford hath declared as a ground of his Defence is a good ground of his Condemnation My Lord of Strafford did here desire liberty to speak to the Testimony of Mr. Cholmley which is new matter and he besought their Lordships to observe That he did not say as Sir William Ingram That the Money should be paid and he that paid not the Money should be in little better condition then High Treason But he that denies his Allegiance to the King to go with Him in His Wars in Defence of the Realm is little better than guilty of Treason or is Fineable in the Star-Chamber But because these are tender Points and he little understands them and they take hold of all that falls from him he shall say no more but that the Testimony of the one and the other are two several things And his Lordship proceeded to speak something touching Sir William Ingrams Testimony which Mr. Glyn interposed and said That 's no new matter but it only arises out of his Answer and therefore he desired no more might be said to that He proceeded to other matters contained in the Reply and offered to their Lordships That it had been said he did publiquely justify at the Bar that he had power to lay Taxes and to force payment but he said under favour no such thing but that he having the Kings Commission and Power to call in such as he should think fit to serve the King for defence of the Realm and this being pursuant to the Act of Parliament of 11 H. 7. he said he might justify as he conceives the calling of the Regiments to relieve by turns one another as there should be occasion but to say he had power to Tax what he pleased God forbid he should say or think such a thing He is not the wisest man in the world yet not so ignorant but to know that the one were a great breach on the fundamental propriety and liberty of the Subject but to call men to perform their Duty for preservation of the King and Kingdom he conceives to be a quite different thing His Lordship proceeded to speak to some part of the Reply concerning his sending forth of Warrants to levy by force Which being excepted against as new mattermy Lord of Strafford answer'd That if he speaks new matter it is sufficient punishment to him My Lord of Strafford proceeded That he is charged to be the procurer of Sir William Pennymans sending a Warrant to levy by force whereas he said the Warrant was issued by him and the Deputy-Lieutenants But that being denyed and apprehended to be new matter Mr. Whitlock desired to Reply to my Lord of Strafford's Answer to what he had formerly opened wherein he conceived he was not mistaken but if he were he submitted but he opened it thus That as my Lord of Strafford with the Power and Commission he had he said he might justify what he had done and it proved that he sent Warrants to levy Money and these Moneys were levyed by force Mr. Maynard added That they are here for the King and Common-wealth and desired that Right might be spared them and that there might not be continual Replyes That no colour of Answer is given that because a man must serve in person therefore Money must be required of him else he must be brought by Head and Shoulders to serve in person They offered a Warrant made upon peril of Life under the Hand and Seal of Sir Edward Osborne Whence Mr. Maynard observed That there is Imprisonment Levying of Money charging upon pain of Life levying of Goods nothing can be put upon the Subject but it hath been offered in this Case Mr. Glyn Summ'd up their Proofs saying Since my Lord of Strafford will have another Reply they have produced their Proofs That he hath levied War against the Kings Subjects and did before declare an Intention to levy Money which was afterwards done by his direction Sir William Pennyman proves that Warrants were issued and in such sort as mentions a coertion They have in pursuance proved it to be levied by four Musquetiers if he gave direction another gave execution and the parties Body must be carried away if he pays not which is a levying of War against the Kings Subjects and Gogan 5 R. 2. was accused of Treason for forceing a man to enter into Bond which is not so much as to force those payments on the Kings Subjects They produced Sir Edward Osborns Warrant attested by Mr. Cholmley to be the Original Warrant that he had from Mr. Vice-President to send for the levying of the Money To the c. WHereas His Majesty is informed that the Regiment under Command of Col. Cholmley is set forth with little Money which expresses great disaffection to His Majesties service and wilful neglect of your own and the whole Kingdoms safety the Scotch Army having taken Newcastle and being on their march towards these parts These are therefore to Will and require you in His Majesties Name and by His special Command to raise and cause to be raised by the Port Constable or otherwise as you shall think best the sum of 20s 8d at least for each common Soldiers belonging to such Towns or Parishes and to send the same immediately to York to be delivered to the Colonel for Pay and Supply of the said Soldiers and likewise to charge and command all and every person and persons who find private Arms or contribute thereunto forthwith to send the like sum at least to York to be disposed as aforesaid And in case any of them refuse to contribute you are required by like Command to certify me the Names of such refusers that a Messenger may be sent to bring them hither to serve in person and be severely punished according to the Quality of so high an offence seeing the safety of His Majesties Person and the safety of the Kingdom depends on this Fail not in the speedy execution thereof as you will answer to the contrary on peril of your life Dated the last of August 1640. Mr. Maynard desired their Lordships to observe the former Deposition that my Lord of Strafford should say The Vice-President shall or may send forth Warrants and it is originally my Lord of Straffords fault And so they concluded the 27th Article Mr. Glyn did offer to their Lordships that there is the 28th Article remaining wherein whether shall proceed or no they have not yet resolved But they desired another day to be heard they having something more to say And so the Court was Adjourned and the next day was
no greater measure God be praised than these are My Lords these being the words that passed from me in Ireland there are other words that are charged upon me to have been spoken in England but if your Lordships will give me leave though perhaps in no very good method I shall not fail to touch first or last the words in every Article The next Article then that I am charged withal for words is the second Article and these are the words that I should say concerning the Finger and the Loins My Lords I may alledge much new matter but I will observe your Lordships Order punctually by the Grace of God for what I may say in that case if it might be admitted I keep it to my self but the truth is they that do prove the words to be thus That I would make the little finger of the Law heavier than the Kings Loins they do not tell you the occasion of the Speech or what went before or what after for my Lords if they had told the occasion which methinks they should as well have remembred as the words it would plainly and clearly have appeared to your Lordships that Sir William Pennymans Testimony was most true for the occasion was such that to have said those words had been to have spoken against that to which I intended the discourse but speaking them as I said it makes very strong for that purpose to which I directed them which was to appease the Countrey and quiet the Discontents for having been double charged with the Knight-money and therefore it was not properly threatening them further to have provoked them My Lords you have Sir Will. Pennymans testimony that it was so and my profession who under favour will not speak an untruth to save my life I protest before God that I say I verily believe or else I will never speak it indeed and there it is they have proved it to have been said one way we another way we give the occasion of our Speech and disavow theirs and so we must leave it and howsoever these words so spoken can never be drawn as I humbly conceive as premises to prove their conclusions that therefore I am guilty of High Treason they have made me guilty of a foolish Word and that I confess and if they please I will confess it all the day long for I have been foolish all the days of my life and I hope hereafter I shall look unto my ways that I offend not with my Tongue for if I cannot rule it abroad I will rule it within doors else I will never stirr abroad but bound it so to my own business and affairs that I trust I shall give no offence The next Article that chargeth me with words is the 22 Article and these be words spoke in England The first part of them which concerns the bringing in of the Irish Army I have spoken to already but in the conclusion there are other words and shortly the said Earl of Strafford returned to England and to sundry persons declared his opinion to be That His Majesty should first try the Parliament here and if that did not supply him according to his occasions he might then use his Prerogative as he pleased to levy what he needed and that he should be acquitted both of God and Man if he took some other courses to supply himself though it were against the will of his Subjects My Lords as unto this I conceive the Charge is not proved by any Witness that hath been here produced against me and in truth my Lords I must needs say this under favour if it be an error in my Judgement I must humbly crave your Lordships pardon through the whole Cause I have not seen a weaker proof and if I had had time to have gotten my Witnesses out of Ireland I hope that should be proved and so clearly as nothing could be proved more but I must stand or fall to what I have proved and so I do my Lords the proof they offer for this as I conceive is the Testimony of my Lord Primate and his Testimony is That in some discourse betwixt us two touching Levying upon the Subject in case of imminent necessity he found me of opinion that the King might use his Prerogative as he pleased My Lords this is under favour a single Testimony it is of a discourse between him and me and there is not any other that witnesses any thing concerning it so that under favour My Lords I conceive this will not be sufficient to bring me any ways in danger of Treason being but a single Testimony and my Lords it is to be thought and to be believed and it were a great offence for any man to think otherwise that in this case any thing can please the King he is so Gracious and Good but what shall be Just and Lawful and then there is no doubt but so far as with Justice and Lawfulness he may use his Prerogative in case of imminent danger when ordinary means will not be admitted At most he saith it was but an opinion and opinions may make an Heretick but they shall not I trust make a Traitor The next is the Testimony of my Lord Conway and the words that his Lordship testifies are these That in case the King would not be otherwise supplyed by Subsidies he might seek means to help himself though it were against the will of his Subjects Truly my Lords if I should acknowledge these words I do not see how they can be any way Capital in my case but this again is but a single Testimony and there is no other that says it but himself and if there be a good sense given to them certainly the words may very well bear it for I think it is a very natural motion for any man to preserve himself though it be to the disliking of another and why a King should not do it as well as a Subject it is such a prerogative of Kings as I never yet heard of for I thought though they had been Gods on earth yet they are men and have affections as men and should preserve themselves being not only accountable for themselves to God Almighty but also for their Subjects whose Good and Benefit is wrapt up and involved in theirs and therefore the King ought more to regard his own preservation than the Common-wealth The Third is That Mr. Treasurer says that to his best remembrance I did say That if the Parliament should not succeed I would be ready to assist His Majesty any other way God forbid this should be any offence for to say so either in him or me for I will swear if it please you that he said so as well as I therefore God forbid it should endanger either of us both for my Lords to say I will serve the King any other way it is no other than what became a good and faithful servant to do always provided the way be good and lawful
England If but any one of these Six Considerations hold the Commons conceive that upon the whole matter they had good cause to pass the Bill My Lords For the first of Levying War I shall make bold to read the case to your Lordships before I speak to it It 's thus The Earl did by Warrant under his Hand and Seal give Authority to Robert Savil a Sergeant at Arms and his Deputies to Sesse such numbers of Soldiers Horse and Foot of the Army in Ireland together with an Officer as the Sergeant should think fit upon His Majesties Subjects of Ireland against their Will this Warrant was granted by the Earl to the end to compell the Subjects of Ireland to submit to the unlawful Summons and Orders made by the Earl upon Paper Petitions exhibited to him in case of private interest between party and party this Warrant was executed by Savil and his Deputies by sessing of Soldiers both Horse and Foot upon divers of the Subjects of Ireland against their Wills in warlike manner and at divers times the Soldiers continued upon the parties upon whom they were sessed and wasted their Goods until such time as they had submitted themselves unto those Summons and Orders My Lords This is a Levying War within the Statute of 25th Edw. 3. The words of the Statute are If any man do Levy War against our Lord the King in His Realm this is declared Treason I shall endeavour in this to make clear to your Lordships 1. What shall be a Levying of War in respect of the motive or cause of it 2. What shall be said a Levying of War in respect of the action or thing done 3. And in the third place I shall apply them to the present case It will be granted in this levying of War that Forces may be raised and likewise used in Warlike manner and yet no levying of War within the Statute that is when the Forces are raised and employed upon private ends either of revenge or interest Before this Statute in Edw. the 1. time the Title of a Castle was in difference between the Earls of Hereford and Gloucester for the maintaining of the possession on the one side and gaining of it on the other Forces were raised on either side of many hundred men they marched with Banners displayed one against another In the Parliament in the 20th year of Edward 1. this was adjudged only Trespass and either of the Earls Fined 1000 Marks apiece After the Statute in Hillary Term in the 15th year of Edw. the 3. in the Kings-Bench Rot. 3. Nicholas Huntercome in Warlike manner with 40 men armed amongst other weapons with Guns so antient as appears by that Record they were did much spoil in the Mannor of the Abby of Dorchester in the County of Oxford this was accounted no Treason and so it hath been held by the Judges That if one or more Town-ship upon pretence of saving their Commons do in a forcible and warlike manner throw in inclosures this is only a Riot no Treason The words of the Statute 25 Edw. 3. clear this point that if any man ride Armed openly or secretly with men at Arms against any other to kill and rob or to detain him until he hath made Fine and Ransome for his deliverance this is declared not to be Treason but Felony or Trespass as the Case shall require all the printed Statutes which have it covertly or secret are misprinted for the words in the Parliament Roll as appears in the 17th are Discovertment on Secretement Open or Secretly So that my Lords in this of Levying War the Act is not so much to be considered but as in all other Treasons and Felonies quo animo with what intent and purpose My Lords If the end be considerable in Levying War it may be said that it cannot be a War unless against the King for the words of the Statute are If any man Levy War against the King That these words extend further than to the person of the King appears by the words of the Statute which in the beginning declares it to be Treason to compass and imagine the death of the King and after other Treasons this is to be declared to be Treason to Levy War against the King If Levying of War extend no further than to the Person of the King these words of the Statute are to no purpose for then the first Treason of compassing the Kings death had fully included it before because that he which Levies War against the Person of the King doth necessarily compass his death It 's a War against the King when intended for alteration of the Laws or Government in any part of them or to destroy any of the Great Officers of the Kingdom This is a Levying War against the King 1. Because the King doth protect and maintain the Laws in every part of them and the great Officers to whose care he hath in his own stead delegated the execution of them 2. Because they are the Kings Laws he is the Fountain from whence in their several Channels they are derived to the Subject all our Indictments run thus Trespasses laid to be done Contra pacem Domini Regis the Kings Peace for exorbitant offences though not intended against the King's Person against the King his Crown and Dignity My Lords this construction is made good by divers Authorities of great weight ever since the Statute of 25th of Edw. 3. downwards In R. the 2. time Sir Tho. Talbot conspired the death of the Dukes of Glocester and Lancaster and some other of the Peers for the effecting of it he had caused several People in the County of Chester to be Armed in Warlike manner in Assemblies in the Parliament held in the 17th year of R. 2. N o 20. Sir Thomas Talbot being accused of High Treason for this It 's there declared insomuch as one of them was Lord High Steward of England and the other High Constable that this was done in destruction of the Estates of the Realm and of the Laws of the Kingdom and therefore adjudged Treason and the Judgement sent down into the Kings Bench as appears Easter Term in the 17th year of R. 2. in the Kings Bench Rot. 16th These two Lords had appeared in the 11th of R. 2 in maintainance of the Act of Parliament made in the year before one of them was of the Commissioners appointed by Parliament and one of the Appealors of those who would have overthrown it The Duke of Lancaster likewise was one of the Lords that was to have been Indicted of Treason for endeavouring the maintenance of it and therefore conspiring of their deaths is said to be in destruction of their Laws This there is declared to be Treason that concerned the Person of the King and Common-wealth In that great insurrection of the Villains and meaner People in Richard the II. time they took an Oath Quod Regi Communibus fidelitatem servarent to be true
rest like your Lordships know whom Then he descends to the fourth Article and this concerns some words he should speak upon an occasion betwixt him and my Lord of Cork that he should tell my Lord of Cork He would have neither Law nor Lawyers dispute or question his Orders And upon another occasion That he would make my Lord of Cork and all Ireland know that all Acts of State which are Acts of Council there made or to be made should be as binding as any Act of Parliament This he said was proved but by one witness and I extreamly marvel to hear him say so for the latter words we proved by four or five or six witnesses that is That he would have Acts of State as binding as Acts of Parliament Whereas he sayes these are all the words produced against him in the time of seven years Government there your Lordships have heard of many words and if we would trouble your Lordships further in this kind we could prove such words spoken as often almost as he remained dayes in Ireland that is for the mis-recital The other part two witnesses proved but the residue That they must expect Law from the King as a Conqueror That Acts of State should be equal to Acts of Parliament and when an Act of Parliament would not pass he would make it good by an Act of State these speeches at other times were proved by five witnesses Then he falls back to the second Article touching the words That the Kings little finger should be heavier than the loins of the Law My Lords These words were proved expresly by five witnesses to be by him spoken and if he had produced five hundred that had said he did not speak them they had not been equivalent to disprove five but he produces none Sir William Penniman repeats other words and inverts them and none but he Another party a Minister reports a report that he heard concerning these words but my Lord he saith the occasion of the speaking of them was not mentioned Truly perhaps it might be the forgetfulness of my Lords memory but let me put him in mind and your Lordships remember that the occasion was exprest by one and that is Sir David Fowles that he laying a command upon Sir David to repair a Bridge and calling him to an account why it was not repaired Sir David Fowles told him he could not do it by Law And therefore omitting it my Lord said to him Sir some are all for Law and Lawyers but you shall know that the Kings little finger will be heavier than the loins of the Law Here is the occasion though he would have another business the knighting Money to be the occasion From the second he falls to the three and twentieth Article that is concerning words that he should counsel His Majesty that he might use His Prerogative as he pleased but in saying there was no proof offered he here begins to fall upon the other fallacy that is to pull things asunder whereas we produce them together and would make that which is a Fagot to be but a single Stick but under favour when I come with your Lordships patience to open the force of the proofs and put them together he shall find contrary to his expectation that they are fully proved by the testimony of many witnesses upon consideration of the precedent concurrent and subsequent Acts and Intentions of my Lord of Strafford I shall not now run over my Lord Primates testimony or my Lord Conwayes or master Treasurers or my Lord of Bristols but make use of them in their proper places when I shall put all together to shew his design and to prove his speaking of the words Then he comes to the five and twentieth Article which I shall not insist on though he pretends it not proved I shall refer that to my recollection that I may not answer to his pieces but bring all together and then the horror of his Fact shall more speciously appear Only this under favour I cannot pass over when he comes to justify an Advice and Counsel of the Kings being loose and absolved from all rules of Government and that he might use his Prerogative as he pleases he is pleased to mention the Argument of the Judges in the Ship-money and what they should deliver he makes the Warrant of his Counsel Now your Lordships may observe he would justify his actions by Law in some cases where it is to his advantage but in other cases he must be ignorant of the Law But my Lords for him to mention any thing in the Argument of the Judges concerning the Ship-money which is now cendemned and to make that a ground of his Counsel and advice to the King and not the judgement in truth but the Argument of the Counsel at Bar that therefore he is loose and absolved from all rule of Government for him to make the Parliaments deferring to give supply to be that necessity which was insisted upon in the Counsels Argument and to be such an unavoidable necessity as to beget an Invasion upon Propriety and Liberty it rests in your Judgements and the judgements of all that hear me what argument this is and what he declares his opinion to be this day In the latter part let me close hands and agree with him he sayes Proofs must be taken by themselves they must not be judged by pieces but together and now in good time I shall joyn with him and shall desire the same judgement that things may not be taken asunder but judged together according to his own words For the twentieth Article he is thereby charged with being an Incendiary between both Nations and an occasion of drawing two Armies into this Kingdom and to incense the War My Lords I remember if I did not mis-conceive and my memory misprompt me my Lord said He could have no occasion to incense a War being a man of an Estate and should have no benefit by it having sufficient to live without it but in due time I shall make it appear to my apprehension and I believe to your Lordships when you have heard it that the incensing of this War and provoking of it was the principal instrument of bringing to pass his design of subverting the Laws through the whole work of it My Lords in the passage of this he takes occasion to speak of the testimony of Mr. Secretary Vane who testifies That my Lord was for an offensive and himself for a defensive War Whence my Lord argues here is no great difference for both were for a War But my Lord Is there no difference between an offensive and defensive War in case of Subjects that live under one King is there no difference to bring an Army to offend them and for the King to raise a force to defend himself truly I think there is a great difference and a very material one too but your Lordships see he makes no difference between them My Lords
should be reduced by force he gave advice precipitately without hearing the reasons and not concurrent to the Council for an offensive War and putting all together I refer it your Lordships judgement who is the Incendiary for how can it be proved more clearly unless it should appear under his Hand and Seal proved by two or three witnesses Now My Lords how comes this to be his design here the Mystery comes to be unfolded Having thus incensed to the War and ingaged the King to the uttermost and having a Parliament now dissolved without supply he sets up an Idol of his own creation as a means to draw on his design and that was necessity necessity is it that must enforce the King what to do to levy Money to use his Prerogative to raise supplies upon His Subjects without their consent against their Will necessity must be his Argument and this War must be the occasion of that necessity and without that he cannot suggest to the Kings ear or advise this necessity till this be brought to pass And now he hath brought it to pass he began in the One and twentieth Two and twentieth and Three and twentieth Article to perswade the King that necessity hath surprized him by the Parliaments deserting of him that the Parliament had forsaken the King in denying supply and having tryed the affections of His people he was loose and absolved from all rules of Government and had an Army in Ireland which he might employ to reduce this Kingdom That he spake these words to the King part is proved by two concurrent Witnesses that is that having tryed the affections of his people he was now loose and absolved from all rules of Government which words are proved by two witnesses of eminent quality that is my Lord of Northumberland and Sir Henry Vane and truly howsoever my Lord in his speech pretends that the most material words are proved but by one witness it seeming that he held it not a material charge that he counselled the King that he was absolved from all Rules of Government for my part if your Lordships be satisfied those words were proved I could willingly satisfy my own conscience in it and make no great matter to quit the rest for I know not how he could express it in higher terms than that the King was absolved from all rules of Government for then he might do what he would It is true the latter words touching the Irish Army are expresly proved but by one witness Mr. Secretary Vane but are fortified again with such circumstances as make up more than one yea more than two other witnesses if your Lordships will have the patience to have it represented as it is proved For howsoever it be slighted by him if your Lordships will call to mind the words of Sir George Ratcliffe his bosom friend to whom he had contributed without question his advice in all causes the said Sir George Ratcliffe expressed it before and told some of his friends supposing that he never should be called in question and that the power of my Lord of Strafford had been enough to protect any thing he had done and out of the abundance of the heart his mouth spake the King must now want no money if he did no body would pity him now he had his sword in his hand Sir Robert King proves it so My Lord Ranalagh discovered the smoak of the fire that he had just cause to suspect and on good grounds I am sure and if the Commons of England had not just cause to suspect him as I believe he is convinced they had good cause what is the reason this suspition should be entertained at that time my Lord of Strafford being not then questioned for it and yet my Lord Ranalagh should say Shall we turn our Swords upon our own bowels Shall we bring this Army to turn the points of our blades upon that Nation from whence we were all derived and that was before any conference with Mr. Secretary Vane Sir William Penniman himself his own witness and friend says at York before my Lord of Strafford was questioned that there was a common fame of bringing the Army into England and there is something in that surely and after all this to produce one witness that expresly proves the very words spoken in terminis as they be charged if your Lordships put the whole together see whether there be not more than one witness And under favour my Lord Cottington if you call to mind his testimony I must justify he did declare That he heard my Lord of Strafford tell the King That some reparation was to be made to the Subjects property which must inferre he had advised an Invasion upon the property else by no good coherence should a reparation be made And that he testifies this I must affirm and most here will affirm it and I think your Lordships well remember it and that is an addition to it for if your Lordships cast your eye upon the Interrogatory administred to my Lord Admiral and my Lord Cottington that very question is asked so that his own conscience told him he had advised somthing to invade upon the people when he advised to a restitution after things should be setled and so I refer it to your Lordships consideration whether here be not more than one witness by far It is true he makes objections to lessen this testimony First That this Army was to be landed at Ayre in Scotland and not here and this was declared to Sir Thomas Lucas Mr. Slingsby Sir William Penniman and others Secondly That others that were present when the words are supposed to be spoken did not hear any such words For the first Perhaps the Army might be originally intended for Scotland and yet this is no contradiction but he might intend it afterwards for England surely this is no Logick that because it was intended for one place it could never be intended for another place so his allegation may be true and the charge stand true likewise Beside that it was intended originally for Scotland what proof makes he He told several persons of the design but I will be tryed by himself he told some it was for Scotland he told others it was for England and why you should believe his telling on one side more than on the other side I know not though he pretends a reason of his several allegations that the world should not know his design but if you will not believe him one way why should he be believed the other way and if not the other way why the first way For the Second Several persons were present when the words were spoken touching the Irish Army and they were examined and remember not the words but one man may hear though twenty do not hear and this is no contradiction at all for those persons whom he examined the Lord Treasurer Marquis Hamilton my Lord Cottington did not hear the words that are proved
by two witnesses concerning the Kings being loose and absolved from rules of Government and if they did not hear those words no marvel they did not hear the other and therefore that which he himself pretends to be a convincing testimony is nothing at all so that his objections are clearly taken away and the single testimony fortified with testimonies that make above one witness and so the words are fully proved But to fortify the whole I shall handle all these Articles together This design to subvert the Law and to exercise an Arbitrary power above the Law in this Kingdom will upon the proofs putting them altogether and not taking them in pieces as my Lord of Strafford hath done appear to have been harboured in his thoughts and setled in his heart long before it was executed You see what his Counsels were That the King having tryed the affections of his people was loose and absolved from all rules of Government and might do every thing that power would admit and His Majesty had tryed all ways and was refused and should be acquitted of God and Man and had an Army in Ireland wherewith if he pleased he might reduce this Kingdom so there must be a trial of his people for Supply that is denyed which must be interpreted a Defection by refusal and this refusal must give advantage of necessity and this necessity must be an advantage to use his Prerogative against the rule of the Law and consent of the People this is his advice which shews that this very thing that happened did harbour in his thoughts long before the breach of the Parliament and the occasion of the Army Your Lordships have heard it confessed by himself That before this last advice he had advised the calling of a Parliament To the Parliament a proposition of Twelve Subsidies was made for supply and which may be spoken with great assurance before they had consulted or given any resolution to that proposition the Parliament was dissolved upon a supposal that the Supply was denied Now that this was pre-designed by my Lord of Strafford himself I beseech you observe these things following that is The words in the Two and twentieth Article That His Majesty was first to try the Parliament and if that did not supply him then he would serve the King any other way His words are proved by Mr. Treasurer That if the Parliament supplyed him not he would serve him any other way and this is before the Parliament set now if your Lordships hear the proofs of my Lord Primate which my Lord of Strafford slights taking it singly My Lord Primate before the Parliament was called when my Lord of Strafford was in Ireland and not yet come into this Kingdom testifies my Lords saying That if the Parliament will not supply His Majesty the King was acquitted before God and Man if he took some other course to supply himself though against the will of the Subjects I beseech your Lordships observe how he prophesies these things must come to pass and advised them accordingly My Lord Conway testifies that before the Parliament sate my Lord of Strafford said that if the Parliament would not supply His Majesty the King was acquitted before God and Man if he took another course to supply himself though it were against the will of the Subject and he doubts not but the Parliament would give What Twelve Subsidies and your Lordships very well remember Twelve were propounded but I beseech you observe the coherence of all the Parliament must be called they must be tryed if they deny there is necessity and this necessity is a Warrant for the King to proceed so that my Lord of Strafford must be judged to be either a Prophet or to have this design beforehand in his thoughts Now the Parliament being broken before answer to the Demand given he vents his Counsel in the Three and twentieth Article and how far it is proved your Lordships have heard Now comes the Bullion to be seized the Copper-money to be advised and now comes he to tell the King that the Aldermen of London must be put to Fine and Ransome and laid by the heels and no good would be done till some of them be hanged so you hear his advice I beseech your Lordships observe what success this advice took Four Aldermen were instantly committed and then the Counsel of the Three and twentieth Article is fomented First He foments the War then there is a necessity the defection of the Parliament must set the King loose from rules of Government and now see whether the occasion of the War the calling of the Parliament the dissolving of it be not adequate to what he propounded to himself namely to set up an Arbitrary Government Your Lordships remember how fresh my Lord of Bristols memory is touching my Lord of Straffords opinion upon the dissolution of the Parliament how he declared unto my Lord of Bristol instantly within three or four days after That the King was not to be mastered by the frowardness of his people or rather of some particular persons and your Lordships remember Sir George Wentworths words spoken the very day of dissolving the Parliament which may be very well applyed as a concurrent proof to his intentions of bringing the Army into England He was my Lords own Brother that knew much of his Counsel and his words are That the English Nation would never be well till they were conquered over again So my Lords put all together if he declared his own intentions if actions in executing this Tyrannical and Arbitrary Power if Counsels of as dangerous consequence in as high a strain as can be be not a sufficient Evidence to prove an intention and desire to subvert the Law I know not what can prove such an interpretation and now I refer it to your Lordships judgements whether here be not a good proof of the Article laid to his chage My Lords in the Seven and twentieth Article he is charged with levying of War upon the Kings people by forcing them in Yorkshire to pay Money to prove they were so forced you have heard by two witnesses that Sergeant Major Yaworth by Musquetiers four together in the Town and one by one out of the Town did compel them to pay the fortnights contribution else they were to serve in person That he did this by Warrant is likewise confessed by Sir William Pennyman and whether this were an authority derived from or commanded by my Lord of Strafford that is the question and my Lords it is plainly proved that it was commanded by my Lord of Strafford for Sir William Pennyman himself being examined alledged that the Warrant was made in pursuance of the relation and direction made by my Lord of Strafford Your Lordships heard what my Lord of Strafford did say before-hand as is proved by two witnesses Sir William Ingram and Mr. Cholmley that this Money should be paid or levied on the Subjects Goods Then his Declaration
Parliament finding to the grief of our hearts that the Designs of the Priests and Jesuits and other Adherents to the See of Rome have of late been more boldly and frequently put in practise than formerly to the undermining and danger of the true Reformed Protestant Religion in His Majesties Dominions established And finding also that there hath been and having just cause to suspect there still are even during the Sitting in Parliament endeavours to subvert the Fundamental Laws of England and Ireland and to introduce the exercise of an Arbitrary and Tyrannical Government by most pernicious and wicked Counsels Practises Plots and Conspiracies and that the long intermission and unhappier breach of Parliaments hath occasioned many illegal Taxations whereby the Subjects have been prosecuted and grieved And that divers Innovations and Superstitions have been brought into the Church Multitudes driven out of His Majesties Dominions Jealousies raised and fomented between the King and his people A Popish Army levied in Ireland and two Armies brought into the Bowels of this Kingdom to the hazard of His Majesties Royal Person the Consumption of the Revenue of the Crown and the Treasure of this Realm And lastly finding the great causes of jealousie that endeavours have been and are used to bring the English Army into a misunderstanding of this Parliament thereby to encline that Army by force to bring that Army to pass those wicked Counsels have therefore thought good to joyn our Selves in a Declaration of our united affections and Resolutions and to make this ensuing Protestation The Protestation I A. B. Doe in the presence of God Promise Vow and Protest to maintain and Defend as far as lawfully I may with my Life Power and Estate the true Reformed Protestant Religion expressed in the Doctrine of the Church of England against all Popery and Popish Innovation within this Realm contrary to the said Doctrine and according to the Duty of my Allegiance I will Maintain and Defend His Majesties Royal Person and Estate As also the Power and Priviledge of Parliaments the lawful Rights and Liberties of the Subjects And every Person that shall make this Protestation in whatsoever he shall do in the lawful pursuance of the same And to my power as far as lawfully I may I will oppose and by all good ways and means endeavour to bring to condigne punishment all such as shall by Force Practise Counsels Plots Conspiracies or otherwise do any thing to the contrary in this prsent Protestation contained And further That I shall in all Iust and Honourable ways endeavours to preserve the Union and Peace betwixt the Three Kingdoms of England Scotland and Ireland and neither for Hope Fear or any other Respects shall relinquish this Promise Vow and Protestation This Protestation was read by Mr. Mainard Here followeth the Names of the Members of the House of Commons who took the same May 3. 1640. viz. WIll Lenthal Esq Speak Edward Hide George L. Digby Lord Faulkland Sir Iohn Culpepper Iohn Selden Orlando Bridgeman Sir William Pennyman Sir Henry Herbert Sir Tho. Fanshaw Sir William Widdrington Sir Fredreick Cornwallis Robert Holborne Esq Tho. Chicheley Esq Sir George Wentworth William Mallory Esq Io. Bellasis Esq Sir Guy Palmes Edm. Waller Esq Sidney Godolphin Esq Sir Nich. Slany Sir Hen. Slingsby Tho Iermin Esq Sir Tho. Peyton Sir Philip Musgrave Sir Patricius Curwin Sir Iohn Stowel Sir Iohn Strangwayes Sir Iohn Paulet Sir Rich. Wynn. Tho. Tomkins Esq Arthur Capel Esq Iames L. Compton Sir Ralph Hopton Geofrey Palmer Esq Io. Vaughan Esq Edw. Montague Esq Geo. Montague Esq Will. Plydell Esq Sir Iohn Paulet Charles Price Esq Herbert Price Esq Sir Ralph Sidenham Fitzwilliam Cognisby Esq Baptist Noel Esq Sir Roger Palmer Iohn Coventry Esq Edw. Seymor Esq Sir Arthur Ingram Sir Tho. Ingram Sir Edw. Verney Sir Ralph Verney Eranics Newport Esq Ben. Weston Esq Lord Mansfield Sir William Carnaby Sir Nicholas Slaning Io. Craven Esq William Constantine Esq Sir Edw. Deering Sir Geo. Dalston Sir Tho. Bowyer Io. Hamden Esq Henry Pelham Esq Sir Tho. Widdrington Sir Henry Herbert Sir Edw. Bainton Iames Cambel Esq Sir Tho. Heale Sir Henry Anderson Sir Harbottle Grimston Sir Robert Pye Senior Ferd. L. Fairfax Sir Henry Mildmay Sir William Armyn Sir Roger North. Sir Walter Deaveraux Tho. Hatcher Esq Sir Chr. Yelverton William L. Russel Sir Philip Stapleton Sir Henry Cholmly Sir Iohn Hotham Iohn Pym Esq Sir Ben. Rudyard Herbert Esq Digby Esq Sir Gilbert Gerrard Lord Ruthen Sir Nevil Pool Denzil Hollis Esq Iohn Maynard Esq Sir Robert Harly Iohn Glyn Esq Sir Tho. Barrington William Stroud Esq Nathan Fines Esq Henry Martin Esq Iohn Bodvil Esq Sir Fran. Knoles Rich. Shettleworth Esq Iohn Moor Esq Sir Simon D'Ewes Sir Iohn Wray Sir Chr. Wray Sir Martin Lomly Herbert Morly Esq Tho. L. Grey Rog. Burgoine Esq Sir Edw. Hungerford Sir Iohn Curson Will. Perepoint Esq Iohn Marstal Esq Hugh Owen Esq Norton Knatchbold Esq Sir Ed. Hales Sir Ed. Master Iohn Cowcher Esq Sir William Strickland Sir Edw. Boys Sir Tho. Walsingham Sir Peter Wrath. Tho. Maleveror Esq Edw. Bainton Esq Oliver Cromwel Esq Sir Gilbert Pickering Will. Whittaker Esq Mich. Oldsworth Esq Sir Iohn Harrison Sir Hugh Cholmley Isaack Penington Esq George Peard Esq Sir Io. Howard Henry Vaughan Esq Ed. Kirton Esq Ed. Bagshaw Esq Sir Walter Smith Rich. Harding Esq Bulstred Whitlock Esq Will. Price Esq Henry Lucas Esq Gilbert Willington Esq Sir Tho. Huchinson Sir Will. Morly Sir Henry Bellingham Sir Iohn Frankland Sir Iohn Clotworthy Sir Edw. Munford Will. Kage Esq Iohn Northcot Esq Sir Tho. Middleton Sir Iohn Salisbury Sir Ro. Nappier Tho. Lower Esq Fran. Gerrard Esq Perigrin Pelham Esq Tho. Fountain Esq Hen. Vernon Esq Lord Lisle Ed. Dawx Esq Ro. Scowen Esq Sir Dudly North. Lawrance Whitaker Esq Sir Humphry Tufton Henry Heyman Esq Tho. Hiblethwait Esq Arthur Iones Esq Will. Bell Esq Io. Harvy Esq Io. Ash Esq Geo. Gallop Esq Io. Nash Esq Edw. Ash Esq Rich. Seaburn Esq Cornelius Holland Esq Edm. Dunch Esq Rich. Barwis Esq Humph. Hook Esq Ro. Trelawny Esq Rich. Weston Esq Iohn Goodwin Esq Nath. Stephen Esq Io. White Esq Sir Ed. Griffin Rich. Albrough Esq Dr. Sam. Turner Ral. Snead Esq Ed. Patridge Esq Sir Peter Temple Poynings Moore Esq Sir Will. Lewis Peter Venebles Esq Hen. Killagrew Esq Iohn Harris Esq Io. Moston Esq Peter Leigh Esq Dr. Tho. Eaden Will. Glanvil Esq Arthur Goodwin Esq Edw. Owner Esq Tho. Toll Esq Iohn Polwhil Esq Simon Thelwal Esq Oliv. St. Iohn Regis Sol. Sir Will. Allynson Io. Crew Rich. Catelin Esq Ro. Goodwy Esq Io. Blakeston Esq Sir Will. Brereton Miles Corbet Esq Phil. Smith Esq Sir Rich. Vivion Ravenscroft Esq Sir Tho. Middleton Rich. Kingsly Esq Ralph Ashton Esq Will. Fitzwilliams Esq Henry Bellasis Esq Sir Edw. Ascue Sir Edm. Fowel Sir Io. Price Rich. Boyle Lord Dungarven Edw. Pool Esq Roger Hill Esq Sir Io. Eveling Edw. Prideaux Esq Giles Green Esq Dennis Bond Esq Roger Mathews Esq Zouch
Pate Esq Io. White Esq Rich. Moore Esq Rich. Reeves Esq Tho. Pewry Esq Will. Pewrifoy Esq Will. Spursâ—ow Esq Simon Snow Esq Rich. Ferris Esq Ed. Thomas Esq Serj. Wild. Humphrey Salway Esq Tho. Leeds Esq Will. Harrison Esq Gervis Clifton Will. Herbert Esq Iohn Woogan Esq Henry Brett Esq Iohn Trevanion Esq Walter Lloyd Esq Sir Rich. Leigh Sir Tho. Ingram Sir Ro. Crane Iohn Upton Esq Iohn Arundel Esq Iona. Rashly Esq Rich. Arundel Esq Iohn Woddon Esq Iohn Pearsival Esq Sir Will. Portman Theobald Gorge Esq Tho. Smith Esq Sir Martin Lister Sir Tho Cheâ—k Tho. Hayle Esq Anthony Beding field Esq Sir Tho Smith Ralph Ashton Esq Iohn Potts Esq Francis Rowse Esq Pierce Edcomb Esq Sir Walter Earl Sir Will. Masham Iohn Gourdon Esq Iohn Role Esq Tho. Arundel Esq Ioseph Iane Esq Sir Philip Parker Arthur Ainsâ—ow Esq Geo. Hartnal Esq Edw. Wingate Esq Robert Sicil Esq Sir William Litton Sir Iohn Iennings Sir Oliv Luke Sir An. Nichols Iohn Broxam Esq Iohn Allured Esq Geo. Buller Esq Iames Fines Esq Nich. Weston Esq Sir Beauchamp St. Iohn Sir Richard Ansâ—ow Sir Io. Corbet Sir Alex. Denton Sir Io. Parker Sir Ro. Parkhurst Sir Ambrose Brown Sir Sam. Owfield Sir Rich. Buller Alex. Carew Esq Sir Nath. Barnadiston Sir Harvy Baggott Simon Norton Esq Samson Evers Serj. at Law Philip Sidney Lord Lisle Iohn Alford Esq Sir Ch. Williams Rich. Herbert Esq Sir Edw. Alford Sir William Plaitor Francis Gamull Esq Sir Ioh. Stepney Sir Io. Brook Io. Fenwick Esq Will. Chadwell Esq Alex. Lutterell Esq Io. Burlace Esq Sir Io. Cook Tho. Cook Esq Tho. May Esq Sir Richard Lewison Iohn Griffith Esq Matthew Davis Esq Iohn Fettiplace Esq Geo. Loe Esq Rich. Edgcomb Esq Sir Ed. Redny Sir Arth. Haâ—welrig Sir Fran. Barnham Sir Tho. Gervis Ro. Wallop Esq Iames Rivers Esq Will. Haveningham Esq Will. Cawly Esq Iohn Button Esq Tho. Gervis Esq Sir Hen. Worsly Hen. Darly Esq Valentine Walton Esq Sam. Vassal Esq Hen. Campion Esq Io. Merrick Esq Herbert Price Esq Tho. Earle Esq Will. Marlet Esq Will. Drake Esq Sir Ed. Littleton Sir And. Ludlow Rich. Harman Esq Rich. Shettleworth Esq Sir Iohn Draidon Will. Ellis Esq Will. Thomas Esq Io. Pine Esq Will. Iepson Esq Iohn Hotham Esq Tho. Hodges Esq Tho. Moore Esq Godfrey Boswell Esq Antho. Staply Esq Io. Moyle Esq Will. Hay Esq Ferdinando Stanhop Esq Harbottle Grimston Esq Iohn Craven Esq Rob-Crooke Esq Edw. Philips Esq Rob. Reynolds Esq Sir Tho. Pelham Ben. Valentine Esq Sir Tho. Fanshaw Matthew Cradock Esq Lloyd Esq Sir Will. Dalson Sir Tho. Woodhouse Francis Godolphin Esq Framlingham Gaudy Esq Anthony Irby Esq Lord Wenman Iohn Lowry Esq Sir Tho. Danby Iohn Eveling Esq Long Esq George Parry Esq Will. Morgan Esq Walter Kirk Esq Sir Tho. Parker Grantham Esq Tailor Esq Iohn Trenchard Esq Rob. Sutton Esq Iohn Whistler Esq An. Hungerford Esq Tho. Eversfield Esq George Searl Esq Cha. Baldwin Esq Rich. Whitehead Esq Gerrard Napier Esq Hen. Garton Esq Mich. Noble Esq Serjeant Creswel Sir Iohn Holland Sir Will. Ogle Sir Charles Gross Sir Geo. Stonehouse Ro. Hurst Esq Will. Basset Esq Ralph Godwin Esq Ro. Nichols Esq Sir Er. Knowles Nathan Hollow Esq Ambros Mannaton Esq Ro. Walker Esq Sir Rich. Brown A Message was immediately sent to the Lords to acquaint them that the Commons had just cause and ground to suspect that there hath been and still is a secret practise to discontent the Army with the proceedings of the Parliament to ingage them in some design of dangerous consequence to the State and by some mischievous ways to prevent the happy success and conclusion of this Assembly and to desire their Lordships that a Select Committee might be appointed to take the Examinations upon Oath concerning this desperate Plot and Design in the presence of some of the Commons and to move His Majesty in the name of the Parliament that upon this great and weighty occasion no Servant of His Majesty the Queen or Prince may depart the Kingdom without leave of his Majesty with the Advice of His Parliament until they appear and be examined And the Commons immediately agreed upon a Letter to the Army and sent it away by an Express to assure them of the care the Parliament took to provide Moneys for them and did not doubt but the Army will give a fair testimony of their affections to the Parliament notwithstanding the evil deportments of some persons who have endeavoured to discontent them At the same time the Commons passed several Resolves in order to the security of the Nation viz. That strict enquiry be made what Papists Priests and Iesuits be now about the Town That the 1500 Barrels of Powder going to Portsmouth may be stayed That the Forces in Wiltshire and Hampshire be drawn towards Portsmouth And the Forces in Kent and Sussex towards Dover And they did declare that whosoever should give Counsel or Assistance or joyn any manner of way to bring any Forreign Force into the Kingdom unless it be by Command from His Majesty with consent of both Houses of Parliament shall be adjudged and reputed as publique Enemies to the King and Kingdoms These Resolves the Commons made known to the Lords for their concurrence and also desired them to move His Majesty for the stop of the Ports and that the Lord Admiral should place such Trusty Commanders in the Ships for the security of the Nation as they could confide in in all which the Lords did most readily concur The Commons did further communicate unto the Lords the Protestation which they had taken in their house desiring the Lords it might also be taken by every Member of their House It was sent to the House of Lords by Mr. Hollis who at the delivery thereof did amongst other passages express himself to this effect MY LORDS THe Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the House of Commons having taken into their serious Consideration the present State and Condition of this Kingdom they find it surrounded with variety of pernicious and destructive Designs Practises and Plots against the well being of it Nay the very Being of it and some of those designs hatched within our own Bowels and Viper-like working our own destruction They find Jesuits and Priests conspiring with ill Ministers of State to destroy our Religion they find ill Ministers conjoyned together to subvert the Laws and Liberties they find obstructions of Justice which is the Life and Blood of every State The Parliament of late years have been like the Fig-tree in the Gospel without Efficacy without Fruit commonly taken away as Elias was with a whirlwind never coming to any maturity The same ill Councils which first raised that storm and almost shipwrackt the Common-wealth do still continue they blow strong like the East wind that brought the Locusts over the Land Is it not time then my Lords that we should unite and concentrate our selves and defeat the Counsels of these Achitophels which would involve us
Articles ingrossed Mr. Pym gets leave to speak Mr. Pym Reports the Conference Thank 's to Mr. Pym. Message for a Conference Answer Mr. Whistler's Report from the Committee for Irish Affairs A Committee to meet a Committee of the House of Lords about the Examination of Witnesses in the Case of the E. of Strafford Petition from the Parliament in Ireland read Sir George Ratcliff not to speak with or write to the E. of Strafford A Troop of Reformado Officers in the Army to be disbanded A Message for a Conference for some of the Members to be present at the Examination of Witnesses Mr. Pym's Report A Message by the Commons Sir George Ratcliff to come in by a day A Report of the Conference for the Lords Members to be examined Another Message concerning Members to be present at the Examination A Protestation of Secrefie Articles against Sir George Ratcliff A Message Ratcliff Irish Army Petitions referred to the Sub-Committee Depositions concerning the Earl of Strafford A Message concerning Examinations The further Impeachment of the Earl of Strafford Sequestration of Thomas Earl of Strafford To open Letters Concerning Council for the Earl of Strafford The little Finger of the Law Ireland a Conquered Nation Lawyers not to dispute the Orders of the Council-Board in the Earl of Cork's Case Lord Mountnorris sentenced to suffer death by Martial Law The Lord Mountnorris put out of Possession Lord Dillon his Patent questioned The Lord Loftus close Prisoner not delivering the Great Seal The Earl of Kildare Committed Committee to consider of the Proof Members to manage the Evidence No Replication to the Earl's Answer Concerning the manner of the Trial of the Earl Concerning the place of Trial and the Council for the Earl The time of the Trial. Concerning the Place for the Trial. Members appointed to View the place of Trial. E of Strafford's Petition read The great Hall in Westminster appointed for the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford Menday Afternoon Afternoon The Petition of divers Citizens of London to both Houses of Parliament wherein is an accompt of their Grievances together with their desires for Justice to be executed upon the E. of Strafford and other Delinquents A Memorial of the Member that first took the Names The Prisoner at the Barr. Lord High Steward Lord High Steward E. of Strafford Lord High Steward Lord High Steward Mr. Pym. Lord High Steward Mr. Pym. E. of Strafford Lord High Steward Mr. Pym. Lord High Steward E. of Strafford Mr. Maynard Lord High Steward Mr. Pym. Mr. Maynard Lord Fligh Steward Mr. Pym. Sir Io. Clotworthy a Witness The Question Sir Io. Clotworthy Lord Ranulagh a Witness E. of Strafford Lo. Ranulagh L. Mountnorris a Witness Nicholas Barnewell a Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Pym. Mr. Egor a Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. Remonstrance E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. Remonstrance Manager Witness E. of Strafford Manager Lord High Steward Witness Witness E. of Strafford Manager Witness E of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Witness Manager Witness Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager Lord High Steward E. of Straffords Speech Lord High Steward E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Witness Kings Warrant read E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Billetting of Soldiers in Dublin Increase of Shipping Jurors Sentence in the Star-Chamber Manager Lord High Steward Mr. Maynard Manager Article 1. Manager Manager Witness Witness Witness Witness E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager Lord High Steward Manager F. Thorpe a Witness Manager Witness E. of Strafford Manager Lord High Steward E. of Strafford Lord High Steward Manager F. Thorpe a Witness George Hawes a Witness E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Straffords Defence Manager E. of Strafford E. of Strafford The Managers Reply Article 2. Manager Witness Sir Tho. Leyton a Witness Lord High Steward Tho. Harrison a Witness E. of Straffords Defence Witness E. of Strafford Manager Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager Lord Steward Managers Relpy E. of Strafford Manager Lord High Steward Sir David Fowles a Witness E. of Strafford Manager Article 3. E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager Manager E. of Strafford Manager E of Strafford E of Strafford Manager Robert Kennyday a Witness E. of Strafford Manager Lord Corke a Witness Manager Lord Gorminstone a Witness Lord Killmallock a Witness Sir Pierce Crosby a Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Slingsby a Witness E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Manager Manager E. of Strafford Managers Relpy Managers Reply Mr. Fitzgarret a Witness E. of Strafford Lord Gorminstone a Witness Lord Killmallock a Witness Manager Article 4. Manager Lord Ranulagh a Witness E. of Strafford Witness E. of Stafford E. of Corke 2 Witness Iohn Waldron a Witness E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Castlehaven a Witness Manager Lord High Steward Roger Lotts a Witness Manager E. of Strafford Article 5. Manager Manager Lord Mountnorris a Witness Witness Witness Witness Lord Dillom a Witness Lord Ranulagh a Witness Manager Earl of Cork a Witness William Castigatt a Witness Lord Dillon a Witness Patrick Gough a Witness Lord Conway a Witness E. of Strafford's Defence Manager E. of Strafford Lord Willmott a Witness E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Sir Robert Farrer a Witness E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Manager Manager Manager Earl of Ely a Witness Manager Manager Manager Article 6. Manager Thomas Little a Witness E. of Strafford Lord Mountnorris a Witness Mr. Anslow a Witness Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Manager E. of Corke a Witness Lord Ranulagh a Witness S. Adam Loftus a Witness Lord Mountnorris a Witness Earl of Bath a Witness E. of Strafford Manager Manager Mr. Anslowe a Witness William Brettergh a Witness Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Straffords Defence E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Article 8. Manager Manager E. of Strafford Manager Manager Mr. Hoy a Witness Thomas Hibbots a Witness Lord Mountnorris a Witness Earl of Cork a Witness Manager Manager Manager Lord Corke a Witness Lord Primate a Witness Lord Renula a Witness Manager Lord Renula a Witness E. of Strafford Lord Dillon a Witness Sir Philip Manwareing a Witness The Managers Reply E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Article 9. Sir Ia. Montgomery a Witness Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager Article 10. Lord Ranulagh a Witness Sir Iames Hey a Witness Robert Goodwyn a Witness Henry Brawd a Witness Robert Cogan a Witness Iohn Welsh a Witness Lord Renula a Witness Patrick Allen a Witness E. of
S r THOMAS WENTWORTH Kt. EARLE of STRAFFORDE Viscount Wentworth Baron Wentworth of Wentworth Woodhowse Newmarch Oversley Raby Ld. Lievtenant Generall and Generall Governor of the Kingdome of Ireland and Ld. President of y e Councill established in y e North parts of England L d Lievtenant of y e County City of York one of his Ma ty most hon ble Privy Councill and Knight of y e most Noble order of the Garter THE TRYAL OF Thomas Earl of Strafford Lord Lieutenant of IRELAND Upon an Impeachment of High Treason BY The COMMONS then Assembled in PARLIAMENT In the Name of THEMSELVES and of All the Commons in England Begun in Westminster-Hall the 22 th of March 1640. And Continued before Judgment was Given until the 10 th of May 1641. Shewing the Form of PARLIAMENTARY Proceedings In an IMPEACHMENT of TREASON To which is Added A short Account of some other MATTERS of FACT Transacted in Both Houses of PARLIAMENT Precedent Concomitant and Subsequent to the said TRYAL With some Special Arguments in LAW Relating to a BILL of ATTAINDER Faithfully Collected and Impartially Published Without Observation or Reflection By IOHN RUSHWORTH of Lincolnes-Inn Esq LONDON Printed for John Wright at the Crown on Ludgate-Hill and Richard Chiswell at the Rose and Crown in St. Pauls Church-Yard 1680. To the Right HONOURABLE GEORGE EARL OF HALIFAX One of His Majesties most Honourable PRIVY COUNCIL My LORD NO Man I believe understands better than your Lordship the Interest and Concern that Posterity hath in a true account of all matters of moment that were transacted by their Ancestors and I know none in whose Devotion to the service of the King and Kingdom I could so confide as in your Lordships to Patronize this plain and full Relation of the proceedings in Parliament in the Case of the greatest Minister of State in his time I some times doubted that the Dedication of these Papers to your Lordship might be improper because of your Lordships Descent from the Sister of that great Personage whose unhappy Fate is here related But having well considered that Honor Truth and Justice have the Supreme Empire in your truly Noble Soul and that a full and clear Narrative of all the Matters of Fact that occurred in this great Affairs with the Intentions and Constructions of them as declared from the mouth of your Noble Ancestor himself is the fairest and justest way to represent him truly to future Ages I conceived it not unfit for your Lordship to favour this true Account of him which may protect his Name from the injuries both of Ignorance and Malice I ought not neither can I flatter your Lordship you are too well known to need any thing that can be said by me of your Worth and true Nobleness and the Character of this your Ancestor is best to be collected from the following Papers His Letters published by me in the Second Part of my Historical Collections and his Behaviour in this solemn Tryal here published discovers the greatness of his Parts the quickness of his Apprehension the excellence of his Wit and Eloquence the contempt he had of Death and the serene Composure of his mind in that Part of his Life which falls within this History I should not have dared to present this Work to your Lordship so nearly related to this eminent Minister of State if I had not been a Witnesse to all the steps of the proceedings in this great Action and if I had not taken in Characters as well and truly all that was said for him as what his Accusers said against him and therefore I can with great assurance aver it to be a candid Representation of Matter of Fact which is all I pretend to publish to the World andas far as the exactest care could carry me I have done it so punctually true that I am hopeful there is none can have any just Exception to any part of it My Lord There is none alive can judge of a Work of this nature better than your self who as you are descended from a Race of Statesmen being Nephew and Grandson to the Two chief Ministers of the last age this Great Earl and the Wise and Fortunate Lord Keeper Coventry so are you lookt on by all as a Person born for the Service of the KING and the publique good of your Countrey And as I have always had a constant Experience of your Goodness and Indulgence to my self so I humbly hope your Lordship will favourably construe my intentions in this Dedication and accept of it as a tribute of Duty and Acknowledgement humbly offered by May it please your Lordship Your Lordships most Humble Most Faithful and Most obliged Servant JO. RUSHWORTH March 25. 1680. THE PREFACE I Cannot think that there wants an Apology for publishing the ensuing Papers although the Press seems over-charged The Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford was and is some way or other the Concern of every Man of England and the Commissioners of Scotland and Ireland thought those Kingdoms also Sufferers by his Deportment and joyned in the Prosecution against him All the Commons of England by their Deputies in Parliament were his Accusers and the Impeachment against him was in their Names The Matter of his Charge had Reference to every English Man and all their Posterities He was accused of designing to destroy the security of every of their Estates Liberties and Lifes and to reduce them all to be subject to meer Will and Pleasure It may therefore be said in the Maxim of our Government not much varying the sense Quod Omnes tangit ab omnibus tractari debet Every man ought doubtless to know his own Case to understand whether that Great Man was justly accused of such a hainous Crime and whether the Kingdom escaped such a fatal blow as was then alledged by his exemplary Fall under the Iudgement of the King and Parliament For this purpose I expose to the common view the whole Proceedings of his Trial being the most solemn deliberate and every way the greatest Tryal whereof we have any Account in our English Story The Preparations for his Tryal were made with an unusual solemnity and were the Results of the Prudence of many selected Lords and Commons as a Committee of both Houses The usual places for Administring Iustice and Tryals of Offenders were thought too mean upon so great an occasion and therefore Scaffolds were erected in Westminster-Hall fit to receive so great an Assembly as were to attend his Trial. His Majesty had a Closet provided for him the Queen and Prince near the place where the House of Peers sate and was every day at the Tryal of the said Earl and might hear what was said and see what Witnesses were produced and take a full view of the greatness of the Assembly and yet remain privately in His Closet unseen Seats were prepared for the Lord High Steward and all the House of Lords who sate as his Iudges Woolsacks
namely the said Earl of Strafford the 12th day of December Anno Domini 1635. in the time of full Peace did in the said Realm of Ireland give and procure to be given against the Lord Mountnorris then and yet a Péer of the said Realm of Ireland and then Uice-Treasurer and Receiver-General of the Realm of Ireland and Treasurer at War and one of the Principal Secretaries of State and kéeper of the Privy-Signet of the said Kingdom a Sentence of Death by a Council of War called together by the said Earl of Strafford without any Warrant or Authority of Law or Offence deserving any such punishment And he the said Earl did also at Dublin within the said Realm of Ireland in the Month of March in the Fourtéenth Year of His Majesties Reign without any Legal or due Procéedings or Trial give and cause to be given a Sentence of Death against one other of His Majesties Subjects whose name is yet unknown and caused him to be put to Death in execution of the same Sentence VI. That the said Earl of Strafford without any Legal Procéedings and upon a Paper-Petition of Richard Rolston did cause the said Lord Mountnorris to be disseised and put out of Possession of his Freehold and Inheritance of his Mannor of Tymore in the County of Armagh in the Kingdom of Ireland the said Lord Mountnorris having been 18 years before in quiet possession thereof VII That the said Earl of Strafford in the Term of holy Trinity in the Thirteenth Year of His now Majesties Reign did cause a Case commonly called The Case of Tenures upon defective Titles to be made and drawn up without any Iury or Tryal or other Legal Process and without the consent of Parties and did then procure the Iudges of the said Realm of Ireland to deliver their Opinions and Resolutions to that case and by colour of such Opinion did without any Legal procéeding cause Thomas Lord Dillon a Péer of the said Realm of Ireland to be put out of the possession of divers Lands and Tenements being his Fréehold in the Country of Mayo and Roscomen in the said Kingdom and divers other of His Majesties Subjects to be put out of Possession and disseised of their Fréehold by colour of the same Resolution without Legal proceedings whereby many hundreds of His Majesties Subjects were undone and their Families utterly ruinated VIII That the said Earl of Strafford upon a Petition of Sir John Gifford Knight the first day of February in the said Thirteenth Year of His Majesties Reign without any Legal Process made a Decrée or Order against Adam Uiscount Loftus of Ely a Peer of the said Realm of Ireland and Lord Chancellor of Ireland and did cause the said Uiscount to be imprisoned and kept close Prisoner on pretence of Disobedience to the said Decree or Order And the said Earl without any Authority and contrary to his Commission required and commanded the said Lord Uiscount to yield up unto him the Great Seal of the Realm of Ireland which was then in his Custody by His Majesties Command and imprisoned the said Chancellor for not obeying such his Command And without any Legal Proceeding did in the same Thirtéenth Year imprison George Earl of Kildare a Péer of Ireland against Law thereby to enforce him to submit his Title to the Mannor and Lordship of Castleleigh in the Quéens Country being of great yearly value to the said Earl of Strafford's Will and Pleasure and kept him a year Prisoner for the said cause two months whereof he kept him close Prisoner and refused to enlarge him notwithstanding His Majesties Letters for his Enlargement to the said Earl of Strafford directed And upon a Petition exhibited in October Anno Domini 1635. by Thomas Hibbots against Dame Mary Hibbots Widow to him the said Earl of Strafford the said Earl of Strafford recommended the said Petition to the Council-Table of Ireland where the most part of the Council gave their Uote and Opinion for the said Lady but the said Earl finding fault herewith caused an Order to be entred against the said Lady and threatned her that if she refused to submit thereunto he would imprison her and fine her Five hundred pounds that if she continued obstinate he would continue her Imprisonment and double her Fine every month by means whereof she was enforced to relinquish her Estate in the Lands questioned in the said Petition which shortly after were conveyed to Sir Robert Meredith to the use of the said Earl of Strafford And the said Earl in like manner did imprison divers others of His Majesties Subjects upon pretence of Disobedience to his Orders Decrées and other illegal Command by him made for pretended Debts Titles of Lands and other Causes in an Arbitrary and extrajudicial course upon Paper-Petitions to him preferred and no Cause legally depending IX That the said Earl of Strafford the Sixteenth day of February in the Twelfth Year of His Majesties Reign assuming to himself a Power above and against Law took upon him by a general Warrant under his hand to give Power to the Lord Bishop of Down and Connor his Chancellor or Chancellors and their several Officers thereto to be appointed to attach and arrest the Bodies of all such of the meaner and poorer sort who after Citation should either refuse to appear before them or appearing should omit or deny to perform or undergo all lawful Decrees Sentences and Orders issued imposed or given out against them and them to commit and keep in the next Gaol until they should either perform such Sentences or put in sufficient Bail to shew some reason before the Council-Table of such their contempt and neglect and the said Earl the day and year last mentioned signed and issued a Warrant to that effect and made the like Warrants to several other Bishops and their Chancellors in the said Realm of Ireland to the same effect X. That the said Earl of Strafford being Lord Lieutenant or Deputy of Ireland procured the Customs of the Merchandize Exported out and Imported into that Realm to be farmed to his own Use. And in the Ninth Year of His now Majesties Reign he having then Interest in the said Customs to advance his own Gain and Lucre did cause and procure the native Commodities of Ireland to be rated in the Book of Rates for the Customs according to which the Customs were usually gathered at far greater Ualues and Prices than in truth they were worth that is to say every Hyde at Twenty shillings which in truth was worth but Five shillings every Stone of Wooll at Thirteen shillings four pence though the same were really worth but Five shillings at the utmost Niue shillings by which means the Custom which before was but a twentieth part of the true value of the Commodity was enhanced sometimes a Fifth part and sometimes to a fourth and sometimes to a third part of the true value to the great Oppression of the Subjects and decay of
by hear-say he was a Member of the House when I had the Honour to serve I heard the expression of Sir George Ratcliffe at that time And the common voice was that he was under restraint but I saw him not Being asked whether there was any other occasion of these words but his said Vote He answered Truly My Lords I can apprehend none 4. Being asked whether he heard Sir George Ratcliffe threaten Sir Pierce Crosby in Parliament He answered I heard Sir Pierce Crosby speaking against a Bill in Parliament and as soon as he had sate down from speaking against the Bill Sir George Ratcliffe said to him That is not Privy-Councellor like or to that purpose I heard him To the point of Sir Pierce Crosbies being sequestred from the Council upon his speaking in Parliament The Lord Ranulagh being sworn was interrogated whether about the 10th year of the King he knew Exception to be taken against Sir Pierce Crosby for delivering his Opinion in Parliament and what proceedings were against him thereupon He answered My Lords to the best of my remembrance Sir Pierce Crosby being a Privy-Councellor in Ireland was charged at the Council-Board for Voting against a Bill that was transmitted by the Lord Deputy and Council and hereupon the Opinion of the Board was asked and by the advice of that Board Sir Pierce Crosby was sequestred from the Council This is as much as I can remember 2. Being asked by whom he was sequestred He answered By the Deputy and the Council 3. Being asked who began the Question He answered My Lord Deputy charged him My Lords I humbly desire that my Lord Ranulagh may be asked whether when things are handled at the Council-Table the Deputy be not the man that propounds them to the Council or no not as a party complaining but as belonging to the duty of his place And how he behaved himself in that business To which the Lord Ranulagh being interrogated Answered It is the constant course for the Deputy to propose the things that be brought to the Board and seldom doth any of the Council propound any thing but the Proposition comes from the Deputy But being further asked on the Committees motion whether this of Sir Pierce Crosbies came to the Board by motion of my Lord alone or that any other moved him in it or conveyed it to him He answered I cannot charge my memory where it had beginning but as I remember My Lord Deputy Wandesford that died last and Mr. Wandsford and Sir George Ratcliffe were movers of it but whether it moved originally from them or from my Lord himself I know not I rather believe it proceeded from my Lord Deputy as being proper for him The Lord Mountnorris sworn and interrogated whether he was present at Council-Table when Sir Pierce Crosby was sequestred from Council-Table and for what Reasons he was sequestred He answers I was then present at Board and he was removed on Complaint made by Sir George Ratcliffe at the Board touching his Voting of a Bill in Parliament And when he said it was not spoken like a Councellor he said he would answer it to him that made him a Councellor That was the effect as I can remember of his Accusation and there were several others that testified the same words that Sir George Ratcliffe accused him of and that was the reason he was sequestred by most Voices at Council-Table though he had many Votes with him And being further asked what my Lord of Straffords Vote was He answered It was for his Sequestration Mr. Nicholas Barnewell sworn Being asked whether for his delivering his Opinion in Parliament Sir George Ratcliffe did ask whether the said Mr. Barnewell's house was capacious to receive 500 men to be laid upon him intimating thereby that he must look for Soldiers to be laid upon him for that reason He answered There was a Debate in the House concerning certain Boroughs sequestred from the House by reason of a Judgment in the Exchequer which the House conceived an Erronious Judgment and were of Opinion that the old Boroughs should be called in I was of that Opinion Sir George Ratcliffe was of another Opinion and would have another question debated And coming out of the House he asked me Will not your House hold Five hundred men I answered you know what my house will hold as well as my self and I smiling at it he answered But it is no laughing matter you shall have 500 men laid on you I desire it may be asked when this was spoken He answered It was in November last and that my Lord of Strafford was not then in the Kingdom Mr. Pym observed That the Spirit of my Lord of Strafford could move in Sir George Ratcliffe wheresoever it was spoken And Mr. Barnewell added it was done in November then last In the next place We shall shew the untruth of that part of my Lord of Straffords Preamble that says The Soldiers in Ireland are disposed with so much contentment to the People that they are no burden to them Mr. Egor was called for a Witness and Sworn Being interrogated whether he knew of any Soldiers Billetted in Dublin whether they were not a Grievance whether that City hath not a special Charter of Exemption He answered May it please Your Lordships the City of Dublin doth bear the Charge of 40 Horse and pays to them 45 l. a month for Billetting which is conceived they should not bear in regard they have a Charter that says Nullus Mareschallus Capiat hospitium intra Civitatem and therefore they conceive it a heavy burden and it is as much as a Subsidy And another part of the City standing in another County pays 10 l. a month so they pay in all 55 l. a month I humbly desire he may be asked whether before my Lord of Straffords time and as long as he can remember The Lord-Deputies Foot-guard and Horse-Companies were not Billetted in Dublin He answered To the Foot-guard when my Lord of Faulkland was there they gave Lodging continually but it was never drawn to matter of money And till now we had never Horse upon us except it were for a month or so In the next place We humbly desire the Remonstrance of the Nobility and the House of Commons in Ireland might be read as Testimonies of my Lord of Straffords Justice I desire to know whether questions are to be asked of matters not contained in the Charge as the Remonstrance is not My Lords The Subverting of the Laws and Corruption in Government and Justice is generally laid in the Charge and he hath answered that he hath administred Justice with Integrity And this we produce to shew That the frontespiece of his Answer is in that part untrue To prove the Truth of the Copy of the Lords Remonstrance now produced the Lord Digby of Ireland was Sworn and he on his Oath said That the Copy
Lordships satisfaction will in good time be given That though this particular is not Treason yet all the parts of it amount to the Subversion of the Laws of the Kingdom That is prest as Treason and this as an Evidence That for the second Commission it follows as the other if he procured the one he is guilty as if he procured both it being the same Power still THE Second Article The Charge THat shortly after the obtaining of the said Commission dated the 21st of March in the Eighth year of His Maiesties Reign to wit the last day of August then next following he the said Earl to bring His Maiesties Liege People into a dislike of His Maiesty and of His Government and to terrifie the Iustices of the Peace from executing of the Laws He the said Earl being then President as aforesaid and a Iustice of Peace did publickly at the Assizes held for the County of York in the City of York in and upon the said last day of August declare and publish before the People there attending for the Administration of Iustice according to Law and in the presence of the Iustices sitting That some of the Iustices were all for Law and nothing would please them but Law but they should find That the Kings little Finger should be heavier than the Loyns of the Law WE are come now to the second Article touching words spoken of the King That the Kings little Finger should be heavier than the Loyns of the Law For that we desire to produce Witnesses and they will shew how my Lord of Strafford is mistaken in his Answer Or if he says true As he slanders the King in one sense so he slanders the Law in another Witnesses produced William Long Sworn and interrogated What words he heard my Lord of Strafford speak concerning the comparison between the Kings little Finger and the Loyns of the Law On what occasion Where and at what time Answered When Sir Thomas Leyton was Sheriff of York-shire 1632. as he takes it My Lord of Strafford being there he heard his Lordship say these words That some nothing would content but Law but they should know The Kings little Finger should be heavier than the Loyns of the Law And this was spoken in the place where the Judges sate in York-Castle at the Assizes that year The occasion he knew not but it was publickly spoken and as he thought my Lord did not then sit on the Bench but stood at the Barr. Sir Thomas Leyton was Sworn and being thick of hearing the Manager was directed by my Lord Steward to interrogate him to the effect aforesaid Who Answered My Lord said Some would not be satisfied but by Law but they should have Law enough for they should find the Kings little Finger to be heavier than the Loyns of the Law His Lordship being on the Bench then with the Judges at that time and abundance of the Country being there then at Lammas Assizes at the Castle-Bench And he thinks it was 1632. or 1633. but he knew not the occasion Marmaduke Potter having been examined as a preparatory Witness and since being deceased it was desired his Deposition might be read The Lord Steward declared That the Examinations of those preparatory Witnesses should be read in case any should be dead To prove Marmaduke Potter's death Thomas Harrison was Sworn Being interrogated what he knew concerning the death of Marmaduke Potter Answered That since his coming out of York-shire he heard a report from his Neighbours that M. P. is dead and buried That he the Deponent lived a Mile from the said Marmaduke Potter which is Ninescore and Ten Miles from this place but he heard no particular of the day of his burial The Examination of Marmaduke Potter Gent. taken Ianuary 1640. to the 10th and 11th Inter. He saith That about eight years since when Sir Thomas Leyton was Sheriff of York-shire he heard the Earl of Strafford make a Speech publickly at the Bench at Summer-Assizes and he said then That the Kings little Finger should be heavier than the Loyns of the Law I know not whether it were material for me to Answer this or no but as the Charge is laid it is impossible I should be guilty of the words For it is laid to be the last of August next following the 21st of March in the Eighth year of His Majesties Reign which falls out to be when I was in Ireland But I desire not to stand on such Niceties but that Truth may appear The words confessed in my Answer are quite contrary being That the little Finger of the Law was heavier than the Kings Loyns And that I set forth in my Answer and the occasion of them which these Witnesses do not or else will not remember The occasion was this There came divers Levies in the year when Sir Thomas Leyton was Sheriff for divers great sums of money for issues in the Knighting-business on some that had compounded and paid their money to me the Receiver of that money then and by me answered in the Exchequer yet these Issues came down through some Errour above and were levied with very great rigour by Sir Thomas Leyton When I came down I spake with Sir Thomas Leyton and shewed him how the men were injured and did desire him to return the money to them again and I would see him discharged in the Exchequer which he was contented to do And then to give satisfaction to the Country I told them That that Commission was a Commission of Grace and Favour and that their Compounding with the King was an ease to them and much greater ease than by a proceeding at Law would have fallen on them the very first Issues being three or four times more than they had compounded the whole for And thereupon I applyed that Speech That the little Finger of the Law was heavier than the Loyns of the King For if I should then have fallen to threaten them I had spoken contrary to the end I had proposed which was to incline them And further that not one of the Witnesses spoke any thing to the occasion of the Speech That it is long since and was never yet complained of and that man must have a stronger memory than I that will undertake to swear positively the very words spoken seven or eight years ago And under favour he ought to have better Ears than Sir Thomas Leyton who appears to have such an infirmity in hearing that he must now be whoopt to at the Barr before he can hear and sure his sense of hearing is much decayed else he could not have heard me speaking at that distance to the place where the Sheriff sits in an open place as far distant as from the Barr where I now stand to my Lord Steward or very near Dr. Duncombe being asked Whether he came accidentally to York that day and what he heard the words repeated to be He Answered He came from
same If there be any Statute that gives my Lord of Strafford as Governour alone power to take Cognizance of meerly private Causes it is something to the purpose to say there is a particular Statute but till that be shewed he hath in this erected an Arbitrary Power And so he concluded the Reply and the Third Article THE Fourth Article The Charge THat Richard Earl of Corke having sued out Process in course of Law for recovery of his Possessions from which he was put by colour of an Order made by the said Earl of Strafford and the Council-Table of the said Realm of Ireland upon a Paper Petition without Legal procéeding did the 20th day of February in the 11th year of His now Majesties Reign threaten the said Earl being then a Péer of the said Realm to Imprison him unless he would surcease his Suit and said That he would have neither Law nor Lawyers dispute or question his Orders And the 20th day of March in the said 11th year the said Earl of Strafford speaking of an Order of the said Council-Table of that Realm made in the time of King James which concerned a Lease which the said Earl of Corke claimed in certain Rectories or Tythes which the said Earl of Corke alledged to be of no force said that he would make the said Earl and all Ireland know that so long as he had the Government there any Act of State there made or to be made should be as binding to the Subjects of that Kingdom as an Act of Parliament and did question the said Earl of Corke in the Eastle Chamber there upon pretence of breach of the said Order of Council-Table and did sundry other times and upon sundry other occasions by his Words and Spéeches Arrogate to himself a Power above the Fundamental Laws and Established Government of that Kingdom and scorned the said Laws and Established Government ONE of the Managers opened the 4th Article and said The former Articles shew my Lord of Straffords Words this his Actions This Article concerns my Lord of Corke's being disseized of an Impropriate Rectory upon a Paper Petition to my Lord of Strafford and referred to the Council-Table the Earl of Strafford saying upon the questioning of the Proceedings thereupon That neither Law nor Lawyers should question or dispute his Orders an Order of Council-Board in King Iames his time enjoyning That no Parson Patron or Ordinary should make a Lease for longer time than the life of the Incumbent was made use of as a ground to dispossess the Earl of Corke In the first place We desire to open the Proceedings at Council-Table before my Lord of Straffords time viz. That in no case concerning Land no Decree hath been there made to bind up the party for remedy at Law The Lord Ranulagh being interrogated whether by the course of Proceedings at Council-Table the Deputy and Council have determined Title of Land and Possession and interrupted the parties to proceed at Law He Answered That he hath observed the course of the Board for 22 years and the course was That if Title of Land between party and party were in debate It was commonly dismissed from the Board with a leading order to be tried by course of Common Law Being asked whether a Deputy alone hath determined private Interest He Answered That he cannot positively say whether it were done privately but to the best of his remembrance he knows not that ever any Deputy determined any matter of private Interest but brought it to the Board though by reference or private proceeding it might have proceeded before it came to the Board My Lord of Strafford desired he might be asked whether he ever knew that any matter of Inheritance was ever by himself and the Council determined whilst he was Governour there that was barely Title of Land and nothing else He Answered And desired to explain himself concerning the former That Causes of the Church and matters of Plantations were resolved in former Deputies times to be dispatched at the Board And for the latter question he never knew matter of Title determined at the Board but in Causes of the Church and Plantations My Lord of Strafford desired he might be asked whether as President of Connaught he did not familiarly on Paper Petitions rule all things in the same nature as the Deputy on Petitions to him The Fifth day Friday March 26. 1641. AFter consideration of this matter by their Lordships it was resolved in the Upper-house That my Lord Ranulagh ought not to be examined on that point it tending to an Accusation of himself The Earl of Corke being Sworn and questioned touching my Lord of Straffords words to him upon his excepting against the Orders made upon the Petition touching the said Rectory His Lordship Answered That he had been in Possession as Tenant of the Crown thirty five years of a Rectory and certain Tythes in the County of Tiperany for which he paid a yearly Rent and having enjoyed it so long my Lord presented to it Arthur Gwyn that had been his Coach-mans Groom That when he heard of it he went to my Lord privately and told his Lordship that he was His Majesties Farmer of those Tythes and paid a Rent and desired he might not be sued for them in the Council-Chamber but if a Suit must be ommenced that it might be in the proper Court the Exchequer That my Lord told him he should Answer it there That he did so and my Lord ordered it against him That a Commission went down and Examinations were taken And after my Lord had ordered it against him an Order of course was set down that Gwyn should have them till I recovered them by course of Law That thereupon I brought an Action against him and his Tenants who were Arrested and came to Dublin and then went to my Lord and Dr. Bramhill Bishop of Derry That thereupon I was sent for before my Lord Lieutenant that then was and my Lord Lieutenant told me Sir You have taken out Writs against Gwyn to whom I Ordered the Tythes of the Rectory I confest I had and desired to know why he aked me so adding that I am sure your Lordship will not take away my Possession by a Paper Bill without Trial. That my Lord of Strafford answered call in your Writs or if you will not I will clap you in the Castle For I tell you I will not have my Orders disputed by Law nor Lawyers Gwyn was a poor man and if he should get the Rents of the Impropriation into his hands I could not get them again And therefore I desired security That if by course of Law I should recover it I might have it again That my Lord of Strafford thereupon said It was very fit and just but the Order being brought unto me I said there was no such thing in the Order Being desired by the Earl of Strafford to repeat the last over again I say that
for him towards the upper end of the Table And there stood charged with several dis-respectful words spoken by him and the words mentioned in the Censure that was read were the words That he was charged to have spoken those words in breach of certain Articles by which the Army of Ireland was Governed the 13th and the 41st That there was much interlocution from my Lord Deputy to my Lord Mountnorris and returned from my Lord Mountnorris to my Lord the substance was That he was ready to give his Charge That he had violated those Articles That my Lord Mountnorris desired time to answer by Counsel and that he might have his Charge in writing That being not readily granted he insisted on it That he might have time to prepare his Answer but was told it was contrary to the form of that proceeding But whether that Objection of the form came from my Lord himself or from some other Member of the Board that I heard before named I cannot possibly say But thus stands the state of it my Lord Mountnorris neither confessing nor denying the Charge my Lord Deputy replyed Sir If you do neither confess nor deny the Charge how shall we proceed The Deputy called on the Lord Moore and said What shall we say to this business My Lord saith the Lord Moore what I can say is under my Hand That a little time after a Letter was read from the King whereby His Majesty was pleased to give direction to proceed in a Martial Court for Reparation and Honour of the Lord Deputy on the Complaint and Information given to the King That my Lord Mountnorris instantly fell on his Knees expressing a great deal of Grief and Sorrow and in truth Passion and had not much to say for himself and soon after was bid to withdraw and being withdrawn my Lord Deputy said That as he had complained to the King so he would expect that Honour from the Board That his Cause should be taken into consideration and such Redress given as was fit He demanded Justice according to the Articles insisted on And having declared it there was a silence amongst us for some time That he was the first that brake that silence and in as humble manner and terms as he could light upon did humbly desire my Lord Deputy to give him leave to ask whether he would give leave to wave either of those Articles but my Lord said he would demand Justice on both That this being so there was some Interlocution of discourse among the Council and in truth he thinks that he was one of the first that said that these Articles and the words cannot bear so good a construction but that there may be some danger of a breach upon these Articles Being asked whether the words were not represented to the Council of War in a Paper written and the Testimony given in pursuance of that Paper He Answered That as he remembers my Lord Moore having made a return to my Lord Deputy My Lord What I can say your Lordship hath under my hand he thinks my Lord Deputy said My Lord if you deny it I have it under your hand to shew And thereupon as he remembers the Clerk of the Council standing by had direction to draw up some Interrogatories which my Lord Moore did acknowledge and Sir Robert Loftus too did affirm that they were spoken by my Lord Mountnorris as much as was mentioned in the Paper Being asked how many Companies of the Army were then in Town how many in a Company and whether they were exercised in a more than ordinary Training and how many Companies the Army consists of He Answered That he thinks the Horse-Troops were 40 or 50 at the most some my Lords own The Foot-Companies were 50. And of those Companies there were he takes it two Horse-Troops besides my Lord 's own Troop and four Foot-Companies they were called up to guard and attend our Occasions in Parliament and they did their Duties as Souldiers every day as indeed my Lord of Strafford was careful of well exercising the Army as any General he ever saw and there are forty Companies of the old standing Army Being asked on my Lord of Straffords Motion Whether my Lord of Strafford did not declare he would not give Judgment in the Cause but Appeal to them as a Suitor for Reparation He Answered That my Lord of Strafford held them to the Point of the Articles demanding Justice on the Articles that he said sometimes he would depend on our Judgment in it and yet he would hold us to the Point of the Articles And further that if there were not a necessity of his being there he would have withdrawn too But my Lord would not give the Council a latitude to proceed according to the King's Letter for Reparation but he held them to the Point of the Articles Being asked on my Lord of Strafford's Motion Whether he did not tell my Lord Mountnorris when he went out of the Room that he would not speak a word till he came into the Room again and whether he did not do it accordingly and whether he sate bare all the while as a Party and not as a Judge In answer he desired leave to offer to their Lordships that he acquainted their Lordships before that as soon as my Lord Mountnorris was withdrawn my Lord did declare what he the Lord Renula had formerly said But after the Council fell into debate of it he spake not a word nor gave any interruption And he cannot positively say that he sate bare all the while Being asked Whether this was not in the time of full Peace and whether any Rebels or Enemies were in the Kingdom He Answered Certainly it was a time of very full and happy Peace To prove that in discourse concerning this Sentence my Lord said afterwards He would not lose the Honour or Share of it The Earl of Cork being asked to that purpose Answered That all he can remember is that the Sentence was publickly read in the Star-Chamber and my Lord said He would not lose his Share in the Honour of it but he cannot remember the day Lord Viscount Dillon asked to that purpose Answered That he happened to be in the Star-Chamber that day by my Lord of Strafford's Command and carried the Sword that day That the reading of the Sentence he remembers not but the words he heard That the Sentence given against my Lord Mountnorris by the Council of War was a noble and just Sentence and for his part he would not lose his share of the Honour of it The Commons proceeded to that part of the Charge which concerns the execution of another man by Martial Law William Castigatt sworn being asked several questions touching that part particularly Whether he knew one executed by Martial Law and by whom c. He Answered Yes his name was Thomas Denewitt and it was last Summer was two years that he was on the Green when he was
Ely sworn was examined what was the proceedings of the Marshalls Court when he was Judge-Marshall and how long he had been so He Answered He was 40 years since Judge there and for the manner of proceeding There was never any Deputy or Governor of that Kingdom but they had a Commission of Martial-Law to be exercised in the time of their Government but the exercise of that Law was two-fold one was Summary the other was Plenary That which was Summary and short was committed to the Provost-Marshall that sought after the Rebels and Kernes that kept the Woods These when they were apprehended the Provost-Marshall hanged them on the next Tree and this was in poor Cases where the estate of the party that prosecutes is not worth 40 s. In the second which is the Plenary proceeding there are three Considerations to be had of the time the place and the person the time must necessarily be in time of War the place in the Field and the persons must be such as are subject to the Rule of Martial-Law And the proceeding was thus The parties complained the other appearing an Information was drawn in writing Witnesses produced and reduced in writing a Sentence given absolutely or condemnatory and the Party punished or acquitted and the Warrant directed to the Provost-Marshall to put the Judgment in Execution But when the Army was dissolved and every one returned to their own home Souldiers Captains and Commanders this Power ceased and was no farther executed for it had been an extraordinary damage to His Majesty that by the Martial-Law every one should be tried for he loses nothing but his life not his Lands or his Goods and therefore the proceeding without was so slow and seldom that he had not remembred any man of quality worth 100 l. or 200 l. in thirty years to have been executed by Martial-Law Here the Manager did offer the Instructions given in my Lord Faulkland's time which Mr. Fitz-Gerard testified to be by him examined with the Original in the Signet-Office as to the 33. and 34th Articles Part of the Instructions were read viz. 33. Such as are to be brought to Trial at Law are not to be executed by the Marshal except in time of War and Rebellion One of the Managers observed That my Lord of Strafford would have Power of Martial-Law over my Lord Mountnorris but would not execute him which shews he desires not blood so much as Power of blood that the Law of all the Peers might be under his Girdle and he besought their Lordships to consider it Whereas he said The blood of their Lordships Ancestors was spent in the Irish Wars this way their own blood may be spent in the Peace of Ireland and Peace of England c. My Lord of Strafford taking notice of some words charging him that my Lord Mountnorris lost his Offices in that Sentence In way of Answer said That they were lost in a Sentence in the Castle-Chamber for Misdemeanors fully proved and by himself confessed and therefore His Majesty disposed of them To which one of the Managers Replyed That there was no sentence in the Castle-Chamber against him And so after some Discourses and Resolution touching the Method of the Proceedings about the next Articles the House was Adjourned The First day Monday March 29. 1641. THE Sixth Article The Charge That the said Earl of Strafford without any Legal Procéedings and upon a Paper-Petition of Richard Rolstone did cause the said Lord Mountnorris to be disseized and put out of possession of his Freehold and Inheritance of his Mannor of Tymore in the County of Armagh in the Kingdom of Ireland the said Lord Mountnorris having béen 18 years before in quiet Possession thereof MR. Glyn opened the Sixth Article setting forth the Execution of an Arbitrary Power by the Earl of Strafford contrary to Law in point of the Estates of His Majesties Subjects by disseizing and putting the Lord Mountnorris a Peer out of Possession of Lands of 200 l. a year which he had possessed 18 years before on a Paper-Petition without any Rules of Justice during the said Lord Mountnorris his Imprisonment contrary to an Act of Parliament read the other day to King Iames his Instructions to the directions of His Majesties Proclamation and the Rules of proceeding in the Kingdom of Ireland The Decree made in the Cause betwixt Rolstone and my Lord Mountnorris was first offered the Manager observing that it was nothing to the matter whether the Decree were just or unjust and that it never depended in the Chancery as is set forth in his Answer Thomas Little the Lord of Strafford's Secretary being sworn attested that the Copy produced was under his own hand And here my Lord of Strafford informed their Lordships that upon his Defence he would ask Mr. Little some questions desiring their Lordships to remember that he is upon his Oath The Decree was read Dated 28. Iuly 1637. whereby for the Reasons therein set forth and with the assistance of the Lord Chief Justice of the Common Pleas It was among other things Ordered That Henry Rolston should be put into quiet Possession of certain Lands therein mentioned Lord Mountnorris being Examined Whether he was put out of possession by Vertue of that Order and how long he had Possession of the Lands He Answered He was in quiet and peaceable Possession from May 20. till he was put out by my Lord of Strafford's Warrant August 29. 1637. as was written to him from an Agent that was there from the delivery of the Warrant to the Sheriff That he was all the while the business was in prosecution till his coming into England a little before his putting out of possession in prison under restraint for not suing out his Pardon upon the Sentence of the Council of War Mr. Anslow sworn and interrogated to the same purpose Answered That to my Lord Mountnorris's possession of the Lands he can say only by seeing the Accounts passed by former Receivers and the Patent my Lord Mountnorris had of the Land but for his being put out of the possession by the Order he found when he was left in Ireland about a year and half ago he was put out of possession by an Order of my Lord of Strafford and that he being there could have no Rents paid Henry Rolsion's Son being in possession the Father being dead Being asked Whether a Petition was not preferred for liberty to proceed at Law He Answered It was in his own behalf for the Land was estated on him by his Father And that he the Deponent being to pass his Land on the Commission of Grace Rolston Petitioned for it himself and therefore he the Deponent Petitioned it might be hindred to pass and that he might have his Right tried legally but he could get no Answer the Commissioners saying They sate not there to question any Lords Estate The Manager observed this to be the assuming
of an Arbitrary Power of Jurisdiction in a case of Land without any former President wherein if he be justifiable he may as well riding on the High-way determine any mans Estate and added That if my Lord of Strafford insist on this they shall prove it not only in this but in twenty more of this condition on the Reply My Lord of Strafford desiring they might bring their Proofs at once The Manager Answered That they should prove an Act of the same Nature but of a higher strain concerning a Peer of the Realm for he chased such Lions But my Lord of Strafford desiring they might be kept to that within the Charge His Lordship began his Defence in substance as followeth I confess I am Charged with Treason by the Honourable House of Commons and that is my greatest grief for if it were not an Arrow sent out of that Quiver it would not be so heavy as it is but as it comes from them it pierces my heart through not with Guilt yet with Grief that in my Grey hairs I should be mis-understood by the Companions of my Youth with whom I have formerly spent so much time If the Decree be just as it is most just I hope it will go very far in the Case That whereas it is said it was against a Peer Justice excepts not persons and I know no Priviledge Peers have in point of possession of Land above common persons The Act of Parliament read the other day against which it is supposed to be made I conceive it to be the Statute in H. 6. time and desire your Lordships to remember that by the last words the King's Prerogative is saved I have done nothing contrary to the Instructions in King Iames his time nor the Proclamation nor any thing but according to the Power of former Deputies I acknowledge my Answer is mistaken in saying the Cause depended formerly in the Chancery which was not out of cunning but a meer failing of memory I desire my Commission may be read whereby it will appear I had Power to do that for which I am now questioned The Commission was read whereby he had Authority to proceed Secundum consuetudines terrae c. From whence he observed That having so great a Power the receiving of a Petition and giving Relief to a poor body should not be so great a fault being at the most but the exceeding of a Jurisdiction but by no Construction can be made Treason That yet this is no exceeding of a Jurisdiction but was a Power always in the Deputies before his time and warranted To prove it he produced the printed Instructions whereby the Deputy and Council-Table are forbid to meddle with common businesses within Cognizance of ordinary Courts nor alter possession of Land nor make private Orders or Hearings nor make Injunctions for staying Suits in any Civil Cause Which shews that that course was in practise before the Instructions took it away viz. to alter Possessions to grant Injunctions c. To prove by Witnesses that this Power was always exercised by the Deputy in the nature of a Court of Requests in England He offered my Lord Primate of Armagh his Deposition being taken by reason of his sickness by vertue of an Order of their Lordships but for that the Commons had liberty by that Order to cross-examine and yet had no notice thereof or of the Depositions so taken the using of these Depositions was waved after much debate till the next day in the mean time the Commons may cross-examine Henry Dillon asked Whether Petitions have been usually preferred to the Deputies and in how many Governors time he hath known it to be so That these Paper-Petitions have been preferred He Answered His Father had a Lease during his own life and his Wives and the longer liver of them and fifteen years after to his Executors and Administrators which he the said Henry Dillon being come to full age enquired into and looking upon his Fathers Evidences he found a business there depending between Sir Patrick Plaintiff and his Father Defendant before my Lord Chichester in the time of his Government and he found several Orders under my Lord Chichesters Hand in that Cause that he being Executor to Maurice Fitzgerard and having occasion to peruse his Writings to see what Debts were due to him he found among them several Orders of my Lord Grandison's time one Petition of Fitzgerard as well for Debts as for Land That in the time of my Lord Faulkland he observed and hath seen several Orders made by his Lordship and one made on behalf of his Sister Mary Dillon for a Portion paid by his Father and he recovered the portion and received the Money That in the time of my Lord of Corke and Lord of Elyes being Governors there was a Petition preferred against him by my Lord of Longford for a Horse taken by him the said Henry Dillon as Sheriff of the County of Longford pretending it to be a stray and belonging to His Majesty and triable as he conceived in the Exchequer and that he did appear but my Lord of Longford died before Examination Being asked Whether the Causes were before the Deputy alone or the Deputy and Council He Answered That in the time of my Lord Chichester he knows not whether they were before the Deputy alone but he found only my Lord Chichester's Hand to the Orders In my Lord Grandison's time he saw his Hand only but where the Causes depended he knows not But that in my Lord Faulkland's time was only by my Lord-Deputy That of my Lord Corkes and Lord of Elyes he remembers not whether it was before their Lordships and the Council but the way he was called to Answer was by Pursevant before he had notice of the Suit Being asked Whether Examinations were taken He Answered That in the Case of his Sister he conceives there were Examinations taken upon Oath And that in the Cause before my Lord of Corke and Lord of Ely the Attachment was under the Hands of the two Lords Justices alone Being asked on the Managers motion Whether he hath any of those Orders to shew He Answered He knows not whether those in my Lord Chichester's time were delivered to my Lord Dun on composing the Difference or in his Custody Robert Lord Dillon was asked What he heard my Lord Grandison say in maintenance of this Judicature by my Lord-Deputy alone He Answered That he heard my Lord Grandison himself say nothing of it but he heard by others that he pretended to it as a Judicature belōnging to the Sword Being asked what he hath known of the practice of this Court before the Lord Deputy alone before how many Deputies and upon what occasions He Answered That he hath seen divers Orders of Deputies or Petitions singly signed by themselves and no other hand but the Deputies Being asked in how many Deputies times He Answered That he hath seen of my Lord Faulklands
late he hath heard of more Being Asked Whether another had not a Warrant to the same purpose and How many he had laid He Answered He never saw the VVarrant but he hath heard he hath by Vertue of such a VVarrant laid Soldiers but he knows not how many he not looking to the actions of others but his own and he wished it had all layen in his power still and he had done well enough Patrick Gough being Asked Whether he had seen such a Warrant under the Hand and Seal of my Lord of Strafford whereby the Soldiers were Assessed and under whose Hand He Answered He had seen a VVarrant Signed by my Lord VVentworth on the top and a Seal to it directed to the Sergeant Savill to the same purpose that an Affidavit made to him of the absence of the Contemptor of the first VVarrant he might lay Soldiers on the Land And that he made search for it and saw it in Secretary Littles Book but it was long agoe Being Asked What he knew of the Execution of this VVarrant Upon whom How many and Upon what Occasion He Answered It was a constant course on a Command and Affidavit made of serving a VVarrant to the Pursivant on the Parties failing an Attachment was granted to the Sergeant and a Dormant VVarrant that on his not finding him he might lay Soldiers on the Land This was constantly practised during my Lords Government as he obsered And particularly upon one Richard Butler in the County of Typerary last Summer And no other cause could he learn or know but not giving obedience to my Lord of Straffords Orders The Original Contempt Being Interrogated What Insolencies he had known committed by Soldiers in this Case He Answered That he had heard Soldiers were left on one Bernes Land and they took other Mens Cattel that Grazed on the Lands and killed them and burnt part of the House as he was told and broke up the Hutches where he had his Corn and sent it to the next Market-Town to buy Beer for them Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords Motion Whether in his VVarrant any Command was given to take other Mens Goods He Answered He believed no such word was exprest in the VVarrant Being Asked Whether there was not Authority to lay Soldiers and What was meant by laying of Soldiers He Answered The VVarrant Imports That on their Default or Absence the Sergeant at Armes may lay Soldiers on the Land there to lye to feed on the Contemptors Goods and live there till he surrender his Body to the Sergeant at Armes Then the Sergeant gives notice to the Soldiers that the Party is come in and they go to their Garrison Richard Welsh Sworn Being Interrogated Whether he had seen a Warrant under my Lord of Straffords Hand for laying of Soldiers He Answered That he had seen my Lord Deputies Hand Signed if it was his Hand Wentworth as he had seen it to many Orders being very well acquainted with his Hand That he had seen his Hand to such a Warrant that the Man that showed him the VVarrant was one of my Lord Deputies Troopers by name Patrick Brady who told him he was going to fetch Soldiers by direction of Sergeant Savill to lay on one Francis Dillon who was in Contempt at this Bradyes own Suite That the occasion he showed him it was That Brady was Indebted to him the Deponent and he the Deponent intending to Petition my Lord against him Brady desired him to forbear it for he had a good way to get Money and shewed him the Warrant he the Deponent saw it under my Lord Deputies Hand and Seal Being Asked What was the Suit He said The Suit was on a Paper-Petition for as he remembers 100 l. and so Dillon falling into Contempt a Warrant was issued to the Pursivant and so according to the practice the Soldiers were laid on him Being Asked What was the effect of the Warrant under my Lord Deputies Hand He Answered That the effect of the Warrant was That the Sergeant at Armes should bring upon the Delinquents such as was incontempt out of the next Garrison Soldiers with an Officer and lay them on the Delinquents Lands till he had rendered his Body Patrick Cleare Sworn was Interrogated What Execution he knew of my Lord of Straffords Warrant to lay Soldiers He Answered That he had seen no Execution done but he had a Letter sent out of the Countrey by a Gentlewomans Son and she desired him the Deponent to Petition To have Soldiers that were laid on her Land discharged it being onely for a Contempt in not Appearing That he got a Copy of the Petition her Name being Agnes White and therein she Petition'd my Lord of Strafford to have them discharged and said she was very old and would die if she submitted her self to any Sergeant at Armes The Order was That upon an Affidavit he would give other Direction The Son made Affidavit that she was 80 years old On that an Order was made requiring Sergeant Savill to take off the Soldiers and trouble her no more she paying him his Fees And he knew further That Sergeant Pigott having an Attachment against Iohn Barrow who was gone away by reason of certain Cruelties sent after him by Secretary Little who threatned to put Soldiers on him if he came not to compound with him for his Fees Being Asked How far the old woman lived from Dublin He Answered In the County of Kilkenny 40 or 50 Miles from Dublin and this was four years ago Being Interrogated What the Contempt was He Answered That the Petitioner said He was dammaged 500 l. by not performing Covenants so she was commanded to pay 500 l. or else to shew cause to the contrary She was an old woman alwayes on her Bed and did not appear not knowing what belonged to Law Affidavit being made That she appeared not nor gave satisfaction an Attachment issued to the Pursivant The Pursivant could not find her on Affidavit The Sergeant at Armes goes for her and not finding her the first or second time he layes Soldiers on her And there they remained eating and drinking three or four weeks till he got them discharged And he heard by the Sergeant at Armes that this was very usually and ordinarily done Being Asked If Pigott had such a Warrant He Answered He did not see the Warrant but Pigott himself said He would lay Soldiers on Barrow if he did not submit and pay Fees Nicholas Ardah Sworn Being required to deliver what he knew concerning laying of Soldiers in case of Paper-Petitions He Answered That he had heard of many but never saw any but one which was in the City of Dublin One Tho. Cusacke of Dublin was seized by Sergeant Savill with Corporal Hamond and some others of my Lord Lieutenants Troops for not obeying an Order within these two years and a half That he saw the Horse and the Pistols at their Sadles there were two or
my Lord Deputies own Guard which could not be but originally from him Mr. Robert Little my Lord of Straffords Secretary being sworn was interrogated several questions viz. Whether he had made out any Warrant by the Lord of Strafford's Direction and under his Hand and Seal to Pigott or any else for raising Soldiers after this manner He Answered That he doth not know that Pigott hath any such Warrant nor doth he remember any such Warrant passed the Office if it did it was by Precedents of former times but in good faith he doth not remember it Whether he made any such Warrant to Pigott to his knowledge Answered That he never made any or heard of any nor knew of any Was one made to Savill Answer He never made that to Savill and he cannot tell whether there was one to Savill or not Was there an Entrie of any Warrant in his Book to that purpose Answer That he did not enter them at any time nor did he ever see any such Entrie or Warrant Mr. Palmer inferred from hence That he said the same for Savill that he said for Pigott and yet how publique a thing this of Savill's was their Lordships have heard and it could not but come to his knowledge at least his ear And Mr. Maynard observed he swears that he never made any such Warrant but if any were made it was according to former Precedents But my Lord of Strafford Answered That if any says he cannot tell 't is as much as he can say for another mans act Lord Ranalaugh being Interrogated what he knew of this Warrant of laying of Soldiers upon whom and how long His Lordship Answered That he had heard something of it heretofore but more particularly in November last when being at the Council-Board a Petition was preferred to the then Lord Deputy and Council by one Davis who dwelt in the County of Clare and by his Petition he set forth That notwithstanding on a Reference from my Lord Deputy to the Judges of Assizes he had obtained a Report from him yet by combination betwixt his Adversary and the Sergeant he had Soldiers laid on him which made him leave his Dwelling That he the said Lord Ranalaugh asked the party how the Sergeants came to lay Soldiers Yes saith he My Lord Deputy Wansford hath made a Warrant dormant and taken a course for it from my Lord Lieutenant and from himself as he the Lord Ranalaugh takes it tho positively he could say that the Warrant Dormant was the general Cause Being asked whether it had been used before or if it be an Innovation He Answered That he knew a custome hath been in Ireland for laying Soldiers on the relievers of Rebels and for laying of Contribution-money in case of Delinquency or not payment Or where a return was made by the Sheriff that the Kings Rents did not come in these Rents being applyed to the payment of the Army The course before my Lord of Strafford's coming was That Soldiers were laid to constrain such but in a civil cause between party and party he never heard of it before in his life Being asked on my Lord of Strafford's motion whether he the Lord Ranalaugh was not a Captain of the Army before the Lord of Strafford came and whether he had not Commission by Soldiers to levy part of the money due to him from the Deputy and Vice-Treasurer He Answered That before my Lord-Deputy came into Ireland the course was as he formerly touched that where there was arrear of Rents to the King and these Rents did not come in to the Exchequer then was assigned for the payment of the King's Soldiers and the Acquittances delivered to the Captains on part of their entertainment and this Acquittance out of the Exchequer was given by a special Warrant from the Deputy and according to that course his the Deputies method was with other Captains and thus he levied the Rent by his own Soldiers by virtue of that Warrant Being asked when the Money was Assessed thus on Countreys was it not by consent of the Countrey He Answered That if he hath not forgotten when the Gentlemen of Ireland were here 1628. they were suitors to the King for several Graces and they obtained several of them from His Majesty among the rest if he hath not forgotten that in case of non-payment of Rents or Contribution Soldiers might go and lye upon the Defaulters Mr. Palmer observed that when he speaks of Contribution or Rent he speaks not of this course to compell to obedience on Paper-Petitions And so he said they would conclude with their Witnesses reciting that their Lordships have heard the course taken to secure that Power my Lord of Strafford assumed to himself in hearing of Causes That this Usurpation on ordinary Courts of Justice to whom it belongs could not be secured without Arms in a Warlike manner to compel obedience Their Lordships have heard how it was executed that if the proceeding had been legal the proofs of Law had been according to the calme and quiet Rules of Justice but being an incroached Power it must be executed by force and Arms and War indeed for so it is in substance on the Subjects of Ireland That this was in time of Peace the troubles of Ireland being long since appeased and the People reduced to the condition of Subjects governed by ordinary Laws and Magistrates and now to put an extraordinary Power in execution to compell the Subjects by Act of Hostility they conceive is within the Statute of 25 Ed. 3. A levying of War against our Sovereign Lord the King within His Realm which is nominally Treason in that Statute and shortly for this reason The King being invested with His Sovereign Power whereby they are protected but this Power being instead of Protection used by his Ministers to the subversion and destruction of His Subjects doth on the matter make an Invocation on the King himself this being a bereaving the subjects of the Law by which they should live dispossessing them by force of Arms in warlike manner must be a war against himself That Law is of force in Ireland by 10 H. 7. whereby all the Laws made before that time were made of force there And by a particular Statute made the 18. H. 6. this very offence of Sessing Soldiers by Lords or any others or any the Kings people without their consent is adjudged Treason and the Offender is to be judged a Traitor The Statute was read Statutes and Ordinances made in a Parliament holden at Dublin 18 H. 6. ch 3. AN Act that no Lord or others shall charge the Kings Subjects with Horse Horsemen or Footmen without their good Will and by so doing the Offender is a Traitor IT is agreed and established that no Lord or any other of what condition soever he be shall bring or lead from henceforth Hoblers Kern or Hooded men neither English Rebels nor Irish Enemies nor any other people
not that the Exchequer and Composition Rents upon failing of payment have been levied by the Army on the appointment of the Deputy or chief Governor He Answered That he had known several Acquittances put into the hands of Sir Thomas Dutton for Rents due on certain parcels of Land in the County of Longford that were not paid into the Exchequer by a certain time for which a-fore-time Pursivants issued out against the Tenants that himself was one of the Tenants and being out of Town Sir Thomas Dillon seized three of his Horses at his the said Dillons House and there they remained till he came to Town for 13 s. 4 d. This being in the time of my Lord of Corke and my Lord of Ely being Justices Being asked as to the Contribution and Composition-Rents He Answered That some years before that in my Lord Faulklands time when he lived in the County of Longford that were not paid he remembers 30000 l. was granted on the coming of Sir Iohn B. into the Kingdom of Ireland and afterwards Sixscore thousand pound toward maintaining of the Kings Army and there was a Troop of Horse of Sir Robert sent into the County of But he knows not whether this be the Money called Contribution-Money That he was then Sheriff of that County and had direction sent to Sesse the Soldiers on them that refused to pay the Money That at that time he conceived that was not so fully understood by the Countrey that they should have paid it and himself and others did except against it conceiving the Money was not granted farther than as they would willingly pay And Valerian on the Statute urged of assessing Soldiers refused to Assess Soldiers on the Warrant of my Lord of Faulkland and thereon was sent for to the Castle the Soldiers sent to his house and remained there as long as he had Provision and after that from his house they were assessed on several Delinquents as the Soldiers pleased to Billet themselves and the Foot-Company of Sir Arthur Tyrringham was then in that County And one night he remembers 25 were Assessed on his own house because he did not pay the Money but he remembers not any thing of the Composition-Rents Being asked whether he had not seen a Warrant to this purpose subscribed by the Chief Governor He Answered That being Sheriff of the County of Longford in 1634. or 1633. there were Warrants directed from my Lord of Cork and my Lord Chancellor and he thinks under the hands of the rest of the Lords of the Board for levying Moneys allotted to the Soldiers and he had three Warrants himself and by virtue thereof levied Money and paid the Money to the Troops there under the hands of my Lord of Cork and Lord of Ely and the Council Sir Arthur Tyrringham being asked whether he had not received Order with a Warrant for attaching a person in case of Debt and for laying Soldiers on him in case he paid it not and who was the person He Answered That he had And the Sheriff of the County brought the Warrant from my Lord of Faulkland to lay some of his Men on a Debtor there till he paid the debt That these Soldiers were laid being under his command and stayed till the Debt was paid at the charge of the party and he tells this particular in it that makes him remember the whole circumstance The debt was very small not above 16 or 20 s. The Sheriff bringing him this Warrant he did not a little wonder at the matter to require Soldiers for levying such a sum But it was then so ordinary and frequent that it was seldom denied on any reasonable occasion the Men stayed there some 8 or 10 days when the party had enough he sends to him the said Arthur to recall the men that he told him he would if he the said party had satisfied the Money the party answered he had not yet but he would that he the said Sir Arthur told him what a strange man are you that will keep a charge on your self where if you had paid it the first hour I would have withdrawn the Men. Why sayes he I do not care for giving half a score Men a Meales Meat Being Asked on Mr. Palmers motion Whether it was a Debt between party and party or the Kings Debt He Answered He could not tell But the Sheriffs name was Fleming Being Asked Under whose hand was the Warrant He Answered Under my Lord of Faulklands Hand otherwise he would have levied no Money Lord Rainalaugh being Asked Whether before my Lord of Straffords coming into Ireland the Kings Debts and Rents as well Exchequer as Composition-Money were not raised by Assessing of Soldiers He Answered That he remembers in the Lord Justices time my Lord of Corke and Lord of Ely the Kings Rents being slowly paid in they did usually give Acquittances out of the Exchequer to the Captains and Officers of the several Companies and if they were not paid by some time limitted and if the Sheriff or the Collector did not bring in the Money the last resort was to fall on the Defaulters by assessing Soldiers on them and there to lie till the Money was paid Here my Lord of Strafford conceiving he had spoken of Contribution and Composition-Rents desired my Lord Rainalaugh might Repeat what he said Thereupon his Lordship Answered That he thought what he said he was sure of and might justly say That for the Exchequer-Rents and Contribution Payments for the Compositions he would say nothing the course was this That for the Exchequer-Rents the Vice-Treasurer gave out his Acquittances These were assigned to some Captains whose turn it was for Payment and they accompanied with a Warrant from the Deputies to constrain the payment by some few Soldiers Hereupon my Lord of Strafford Observed That this Cause would seem strange in England And whereas my Lord Rainalaugh spake of Contribution-Money Mr. Palmer humbly desired he might be Asked Whether the raising of it by Soldiers was not so agreed to in the Countrey For my Lord of Straffords own Answer sayes The Countrey choose rather that on Delinquency it should be so levied than otherwise And if it be by consent the force of the Statute is taken away My Lord Rainalaugh being Asked accordingly His Lordship Answered That he had already spoken to that purpose and he believed some of the Committee that were there had the particular Instance to produce Being required to name them in whose hands it was His Lordship said In Mr. Plunkets or Mr. Brown Being Asked When this course began He Answered He did not remember the time but he thought in 1628. on certain of the Agents out of England My Lord of Strafford did here offer That if he might have Read the Antient Book in my Lord Faulklands time he could have showed Sir Tho. Wayneman sent up and down to this and that County to fetch in the Composition-Rents and that they have been
Soldiers on some if they would not obey but because he threatned therefore he had such a Warrant is under favour no consequence men commonly threaten most when they have least to shew IV. Mr. Kenneday sayes directly Pigott had done what he did by direction but in express termes he sayes He never saw the Warrant Then there remained only Mr. Savill's Warrant This Warrant is not showed nor comes it in Judgment against him and though some Testimonies are given that they have seen such a Warrant for Assessing Soldiers c. yet he conceives it very hard That the Warrant should be the ground of convincing him of Treason and yet the Warrant not be shown for what the grounds are and what the Limitations may be do not appear And if there were such a Warrant it is long since it passed from him But it is not shown and therefore to convince him in modo formâ is very hard to be done for what may be in it to qualifie or what amiss no body knows But to the Proofs his Lordship observed That the Proofs are very scant This great Mighty War made on the King and his People in breach of the Statute cited is one of the Poorest Wars that ever was made in Christendome for last Summer one sayes he knew Soldiers laid on one man The Sergeant sayes He never laid above 6 sometimes 2 sometimes 3 and that this should be heightned to the making of a War against the King and his People seems to be a very great strain put upon it and more he hopes than the matter will bear That it was never complained of to him all the while he was in Ireland in respect of any manner of prejudice sustained by it That if there be such a Warrant he is glad it hath been so moderately Executed that no worse consequence hath come of it than their Lordships have heard But he shall make it appear that the Sergeant at Armes is a publick Officer and what Warrant soever he hath from him it is not in relation to him but to the execution and procuring obedience to all other the Kings Courts of Justice as well as those of the Deputies Jurisdiction and it was onely to enable him the better to secure the Kings Right And he desired that Nicolas Ardah be examined Whether he be not an Officer of the Exchequer in Ireland and whether he knows of any particular Sessing of Soldiers by the Sergeant at Armes before my Lord of Straffords Government And being Askt severally these Questions He Answered To the first That he hath some Imployment in the Exchequer and was imployed in a Commission of Church-bounds And that about the Second Year of His Majesties Reign there was one Tho. Fitzgerard High Sheriff of a County that had not perfected his Accompts and not appeared to the Pursivant The Lord Chancellor that now is desired the rest to assist him to move my Lord of Faulkland to lay Horse on him And that the Party was brought in within a short time after but whether by Soldiers he knows not but he heard there was a Warrant Mr. Savill being Asked Whether the Warrant to him granted was not agreeable to former Precedents He Answered That he never saw any other Warrant of the same Nature but he hath heard by him that was his Predecessor now a Captain of the Army that he had received a Warrant from my Lord of Faulkland to Sess Soldiers on the Land of Tho. Fitzgerard who had refused to come to pass Accompts Mr. Henry Dillon being Asked Whether he knew of any such Warrant formerly granted And what Relation the Sergeant at Armes hath to other Courts He Answered That he conceives the Sergeant at Armes is an Officer as well to the Court of Exchequer as to the Chancery on the last Process of Contempt The last Process is a Writ to the Sergeant to Attach a Man whether betwixt party and party or concerning the King and that he had spoken with Thimbleby Sergeant at Armes whether he did so in his own right or as Deputy And Asking him What he would do if the Warrant was disobey'd and he pretended he would Assess Soldiers and being a Scholar at 23 years he heard one had Soldiers sessed on him for disobedience to the Sergeant at Armes but what the particular was he doth not know Here Mr. Palmer speaking some words which my Lord of Strafford interpreted an Interruption his Lordship desired That no hasty words might be misinterpreted he being for his Life and Children and added The Gentlemen will do well not to put him out of his way but let him speak the poor few things he can for himself and then leave them to their Lordships wisdom And then proceeded So he supposed there could be no such severe construction put upon this Warrant that it should be adjudged a levying of War against the King and his People when it appeares to be the using of half a dozen sometimes two or three Soldiers to lye on refractory persons and bring them to be conformable to Justice that the Kings Law might be obeyed without any Treasonable or corrupt intention whatsoever And he hopes their Lordships will have a more favourable and compassionate consideration than to Judge him a Traytor for such a piece of business accompanied with all these circumstances But he added That some wayes he is more qualified then an ordinary person by reason he had the honor to be His Majesties Deputy and by His Commission had power to pursue Rebels and to use the Kings Army for punishing of Rebels or securing the Publick Peace of the Realm as in his discretion he should think fit and that he conceives a Warrant though there had been no President in the Case but with these accompany'd cannot be laid on him as a Crime For this he refers himself to his Commission which had been formerly read and therefore trusts this will not fall into their Lordships Judgment as a High Treason he being to govern according to the Customes of the Realm There is a Statute 10 H. 7. cap. 17. whereby it was Ordained Enacted and Estabished by Authority of that Parliament That from that time forwards there be no Peace nor War undertaken in the Land without the Deputies Licence but all such War and Peace to be made by the Lieutenants for the time being And this comes in time after the Statute of 18 H. 6. This was never complayn'd of as a fault and no ill consequence followed on it If a Man shall enter by force and wrongfully keep away possession that may be as well said to be a levying of War as this and yet a forcible Entry is familiarly punish'd in the Star-Chamber but not spoken of as a Treason As to the Statute in Ireland of 18 H. 6. cap. 3. An Act That no Lord or other shall Charge the Kings Subject c. HE Conceives he cannot be brought within compass of this Statute
this Board in answering plainly That he conceived the Command of the Lord Chancellor ought to free him from the Command of this Board deserves such proceedings against him as may be both Punishment to him and Example to others It is therefore Ordered That he stand Fined in 500 l. Bound to his Good Behaviour stand Committed to the Castle during the Deputies pleasure and make acknowledgment of his Offence at this Board And the Form of his Submission is set down I Acknowledge I presented a Presumptuous and Untrue Petition c. Given 30 October 1638. The Names of those that Subscribed it were also Read Whence my Lord of Strafford observed That he was not Sentenced for going without Licence but for other Causes and desired my Lord Dillon and Sir Adam Loftus whose hands are to the Decree0 might be Asked a Question or two And first to the business of my Lord of Esmond which had been forgot before Robert Lord Dillon being asked Whether he remembred any Charge laid against my Lord of Esmond for a practice against Sir Walsingham Coke whereupon being Examined And When it was He Answered That he remembred it was about that time when a Letter was written from the Judges of Assize that went the Circuit of the County of Wexford and they Reported That they had taken Examinations Whereupon it was mistrusted or at least suggested That my Lord of Esmond was to set some on to cut off Sir Walsingham Coke and this being taken into consideration it was resolved That till the Judges had determined Whether it was Treason or not he should be stayed for a time and as he takes it it was Resolved he should be Advertised into England Being Asked on Mr. Maynards Motion What time this was He Answered The Question is sudden to him but it was much about the time that my Lord of Esmond had been in Town before but he cannot expresly speak to the time But my Lord of Strafford observed That the Complaint came from the Judges of Assize when they came from the Circuit and that was alwayes about August Lord Dillon being Asked What year it was He Answered He cannot tell the year of the Lord in Terms but he remembers it was much about that time when my Lord of Esmond was Questioned and about Summer Circuit My Lord of Strafford proposing That my Lord Dillon might be Asked What he remembred of the Sentence against Parry and What his behaviour was To this Mr. Maynard excepted as not proper to Examine the Judge Whether his Sentence was just or no To which my Lord of Strafford Answered That it is as equal the Judge that gives Sentence should be Examined as the party against whom the Sentence is given That this is a Sentence for things spoken and done at the Board which stands not on such Niceties but Contempts and Misdemeanors to a Court are frequently determined without Examination of Witnesses and this is a Misdemeanor done in the place But my Lord Dillon being spared from Answering Sir Adam Loftus was Examined What he knew of that practice of my Lord of Esmond against Sir Walsingham Cokes Life And when He Answered That the first time he heard of it was upon an Information of the Judges of the Circuit to my Lord Deputy then in Ireland as he takes it and he thinks my Lord was not then in Town but sent that Information to the Council at Dublin his Lordship being then at his Countrey-house and therein some Practice against Sir Walsingham Coke of certain Rebels and Outlawes that had laid in Ambush near his house was set forth and thereupon that Letter was sent to the Council to Consider of it and take course for his Security That this was not all neither for the Examination of a Rebel in the Castle brought it home nearest to my Lord of Esmonds Case But because the Rebel was a Man of that condition it was not thought his Testimony could be prevalent against my Lord of Esmond therefore the other Witnesses were sent for to be Examined in the Cause Now this Course of Examination held a matter of three weeks or a month or thereabouts he doth not well know the time but these Men not concurring with the Testimony of the Rebel in Restraint there was no words made of it but my Lord of Esmond was dismissed and left to take his own Course The time was as he takes it in the Summer Assizes 1637 or 1638 he knows not which And this is the truth and all he knows of the business Whence my Lord of Strafford Inferred That being under that Charge of Sergeant-Major-General of the Army he denyed him liberty to go into England but as soon as he was clear he had his Licence Mr. Maynard desiring their Lordships to observe that my Lord of Strafford Explained himself thus That he thought so or very shortly after And added That the Gentleman is very quick with him being a Man of great understanding and himself a weak Man But that he means very justly and would not be taken in an Untruth and said That he hath a Servant that was with him when my Lord of Esmonds Agent came to him at his House in the Countrey And desired he might be Asked What Answer he gave him Francis Wetheringe being Asked VVhat he knew concerning my Lord of Straffords giving of Licence to my Lord of Esmond He Answered That he remembers very well that the Gentlemen were Examined before they came to Fairework-Parke while he was waiting on his Lordship at that time the Gentleman came to him and desired him to tell my Lord he would speak with him that he heard my Lord say It was concerning his Licence to repair to England and my Lord said He should have it but it was Winter time and he would let it alone till the Spring Being Asked What Month it was He Answered He could not very well remember but it was the latter end of Summer as he thought Mr. Ralton being Asked Whether the business of my Lord of Esmond and Sir Walsingham Coke were not Advertized over hither He Answered That he doth very well remember the business he being then Agent for my Lord Lieutenant That in one of his Letters or the Councils Advertisement was given of this practice against Sir Walsingham Coke and as he takes it was in Sept. 1638. or thereabouts and that my Lord was pleased to do him the said Mr. Ralton the favour to give him some passages of it Therefore my Lord of Strafford desired These things might not stick with their Lordships or the House of Commons to his prejudice when he had not Means nor Possibility to make his Defence but that in Charity they would reserve their Opinions till they sound the truth to the bottom and then he hoped he should appear an honest Man and that was all he pretended to For the Remonstrance of the House of Commons in Ireland it is no Evidence
redress of Grievances and Oppressions and that is in the Charge against my Lord of Strafford For the Instructions of May 1628 on a Petition by the Inhabitants the Petition was That they might make personal Residence at least half a year but that related to Undertakers and others that have Lands and Offices there and so was for the same purpose that the Lands should be safeguarded But certainly there is great difference between Residence and Restraining a Resort hither to make Complaint to His Majesty It is true there should be a Residence they were not to depart without Licence but if they had Temporary occasions or Reasons of Complaint it is not against the Instructions that Licences should be deny'd My Lord insists on this that it is the Law of the Land and agreeable to the Laws of this Land and he would willingly bring the Laws of this Land into Ireland But under favour the Laws of this Land are not so It is no offence or Contempt for any Subject to depart this Land without Licence Our Books are so The Statute 5 R. 2. did provide that none should depart without License a general Prohibition except they were Lords and good Merchants Therefore by the Law before that Statute was any Man might depart without License and that Statute is since Repealed by a Statute made 4 Iac. So that by the Common Law of England the passage is open again and it is no offence at all to depart without Licence It is true His Majesty may restrain by a Ne exeat Regno c. or by a Proclamation on special Causes but till then the passage is open and they may depart by the Law of the Land and the Penalty is only in the Case of the Absentees My Lord alledges the Kings Letter There is as much skill as can be for a Defence The Proclamation reciting these Letters and the Instructions But the grounds are false for that which is appliable to a Residence for Defence my Lord makes a ground to restrain all kind of Resort My Lord takes notice of his Moderation in Executing the Kings Letter in respect of the distance of time between the Letter Ianuary 1634 and the Proclamation Sept. 1635. If it had been a Service to His Majesty it should have been speeded sooner It was a disservice in being so long delayed if the matter required it but there was something else It was not fit for my Lords opportunity till then and when it was fit he publish'd it and not before My Lord deserting his Justification by the Proclamation as a Temporary Law as he may for Proclamations be not Temporary Laws in case they be against Law but Publication of Lawes Now he insists on this That by his Commission he himself hath not power to publish Proclamations but by advice of others So the power is not in himself alone for he had the Concurrence of other Counsellors joyned with him Mr. Palmer desired their Lordships to observe his own Answer and the Reason why that Unreasonable allowance was got which is That he is Responsible for the Justice of that place and if he be so he takes but their Concurring with him in a thing so much against Law it may make it an Offence in them it cannot extenuate his Offence He insists on a necessity of this that it is fit for that Kingdom and wishes it might be so continued and that in several respects in respect of O Neale and Tirconnel and the Rebels that adhere to them and that it might be dangerous if those in Ireland should go out at their pleasure Indeed if their Resort were thither it were true But the Commons having offered nothing but their Request to come into England where there is no O Neale nor Tirconnel to Complain to the King of Oppressions and however my Lord of Strafford doth conceive it fit in Ireland their Lordships hear by the Remonstrance what Just Fears they apprehended It is an Innovation brought on them which was never on their Ancestors from the time of Henry the Second The next thing was his Demeanor in the Execution of this Proclamation Then he made that General Protestation That these particulars were not Complained of To which Mr. Palmer said He must Answer as before My Lord hath put it in Issue That he never did deny Licence which casts the Commons on Proof That that in particular hath been deny'd The Case of my Lord of Esmond is observed to be in time 1638. And whereas it is said A License was deny'd because there was some Charge against him of practising against Sir Walsingham Cook This needs no other Answer but what Sir Adam Loftus has given That the business was continued in Examination no longer than three weeks or thereabouts and was then dismist whereas the Denyal continued longer But if it be truely informed This demand of Licence to come over was in August the Information came not till September after so that the Information cannot be applyed to avoid the Denyal of the License Torky being Asked the time of year the Summer Assizes used to be in Ireland He Answered That he hath observed them since his knowledge of that Kingdom to be in September for the County of Wexford Whence Mr. Palmer Inferred That if the Petition were in August the Assizes in September this could be no Reason why in August an Information in September should be the Cause of denying the License My Lord sayes afterwards He did give him a License but your Lordships may remember it was not till the opportunity was past of examining Witnesses And whereas it hath been said in Answer That my Lord of Esmond did joyn and Riley was produced yet Riley sayes There were two Defendants Sir Pierce Crosby and my Lord Esmond and for whom the Commission was he cannot tell And if there were a Commission it is very ordinary to have more then one and if it be desired a second is just as the first Mr. Ralton sayes he is confident there was a Commission if there was so Why is not that Record produced The next particular was my Lord Roche and the Answer to that is That there was an Information against him in the Starchamber It is true but that had ceased half a year before he desired a License and therefore could not be a cause to hinder a Licence For Dermond Mac-Carty it is said his Petition was for liberty to go over for breeding and therefore he might go to Doway or St. Omer c. But their Lordships might observe this Petition was to come into England and the occasion was his Relation to that Suit and that is conceived the cause of denying that Licence for my Lord could not but know that Mac-Carty had relation to the suit before him which was decreed after a double dismission and it is no Exception that the Witness is his Sollicitor in the Cause It is ordinary that the Sollicitor be admitted a Witness and the best
to the King and Commons and that they would take nothing but what they paid for punished all theft with death here 's no intendment against the Person of the King The intent was to establish the Laws of Villanage and Servitude to burn all the Records to kill the Judges This in the Parliament of the 5th year of R. 2. No. 31 32. the First Part is declared to be Treason against the King and against the Law In the 11th year of R. 2. in Parliament the raising of Forces against the Commissioners appointed by Act of Parliament the year before adjudged Treason by all the Judges The Statute I mo Mary Cap. 12. Enacts That if 12 or more shall endeavour by force to alter any of the Laws or Statutes of the Kingdom he shall from such a time there limited be adjudged only as a Felon This Act was to continue but to the next Parliament it is expired it shews by the words only that the offence was higher before the making it My Lords In Queen Elizabeths time Grant and divers Apprentices of London to the number of 200. rose and assembled at Tower-hill carried a Cloak upon a Pole instead of a Banner their intent was to deliver divers Apprentices out of Prison that had been committed upon a Sentence in the Star-Chamber for Riots to kill the Lord Mayor of London and for setting prizes on Victuals In Trinity Term 37 Eliz. divers of the Judges were consulted withal and resolved That this was a Levying of War against the Queen being intended against the Government and Officers of the Queen and therefore Grant and others were executed as Traitors Afterwards in that Queens time divers of the County of Oxford consulted to go together from House to House in that County and thence to London and other parts to excite them to take up Arms for the throwing in of all inclosures throughout England Nothing was done nor no assembly Yet the Statute of 13 Eliz. Cap. 1. during the Queens Life made it Treason to intend or advise to Levy War against the Queen In Easter Term 39 of Eliz. all the Judges of England met about the Case it was resolved by them that this was a War intended against the Queen they agreed That if it had been of one Township or more upon private interest and claim of right of Common it had not been Treason but this was to throw in all Inclosures through the Kingdom whereunto these parties should pretend no claim That it was against the Law in regard that the Statute of Merton gave power of Inclosures in many Cases upon this resolution Bradsaw and Burton were executed at Aynestow-hill in Oxfordshire the place where they intended the first Rendezvous So that my Lords if the end of it be to overthrow any of the Statutes any part of the Law and setled Government or any of the great Officers intrusted with the execution of them This is a War against the King My Lords It will be further considerable what shall be accounted a Levying of War in respect of the actions and things done there 's a design to alter some part of the Laws and present Government for the effecting thereof People be provided of Arms gathered together into Troops but afterwards march not with Banners displayed nor do bellum percutere whether the Army themselves and gathering together upon this design be a War or such prosecution of the Design with force as makes it Treason within the Statute First If this be not a War in respect that it necessarily occasions hostile preparations on the other side Secondly From the words of the Statute shall Levy War and be thereof probably Attainted of open Deed by People of their condition altho the bare conspiring be not an open Deed yet whether the Arming and Drawing of men together be not an open Declaration of War In Sir Thomas Talbots Case before cited in the Seventeenth year of R. II. the Acts of Force are expressed in the Parliament Roll That he caused divers of the People of the County of Chester to be armed in a Warlike manner in Assemblies here is no Marching no Banners displayed In the Eighth year of Hen. VIII William Bell and Thomas Lacy in Com. Kanc. conspired with Thomas Cheyney called the Hermite of the Queen of Faries to overthrow the Law and Customs of the Realm and for the effecting of it they with Two hundred more met together and concluded upon a course of raising greater Forces in the County of Kent and the adjacent Shires This adjudged Treason these were open Acts. My Lords For the application of both these to the case in question First In respect of the end of it here was a War against the King it was to subvert the Laws this being the design for the effecting of it he assumed to his own Person an Arbitrary Power over the Lives Liberties and Estates of His Majesties Subjects and determined Causes upon Paper-Petitions at his own Will and Pleasure Obedience must be forced by the Army this is declared by the Warrant My Lords If it be said that the Warrant expresseth not any intent of subverting the Laws It expresseth fully one of the principal means whereby this was to be done that is obedience to his arbitrary Orders upon Paper-Petitions This was done in reference to the main design In the cases of the Town of Cambridge and Sir William Cogan they have formerly been cited to your Lordships upon other occasions the things in themselves were not Treason they were not a Levying of War In that of Cambridge the Town met together and in a forcible manner broke up the University-Treasury and took out of it the Records and Evidences of the Liberties of the University over the Town In the other they of Bridgewater marched to the Hospital and compelled the Master of the Hospital to deliver unto them certain Evidences that concerned the Town and forced him to enter into a Bond of 200 l. These if done upon these private ends alone had not been a Treason as appears by the very words of the Statute of 25 Edw. 3. before-mentioned of marching openly or secretly But my Lords these of Cambridge and Bridgewater they were of the conspiracy with the Villains as appears in the Parliament-Roll of the First year of Rich. the 2. Numb 311. and 32. where the Towns of Cambridge and Bridgewater are expresly excepted out of the general Pardon made to the Villains this being done in reference to that design of the Villains of altering the Laws this was that which made it Treason If the design went no further than the enforcing Obedience to these Paper Orders made by himself it was sufficient it was to subvert one fundamental part of the Law nay in effect the whole Law what use of Law if he might order and determine of mens Estates at his own pleasure This was against the Law notoriously declared in Ireland In the close Roll in the Tower in the 25th
year of Edward the 1. a Writ went to the Justices in Ireland that Kingdom at that time was governed by Justices declaring That upon Petitions they were not to determine any Titles between party and party upon any pretence of profit whatsoever to the King In the Eight and twentieth year of Hen. the 6th Chap. 2. Suits in Equity not before the Deputy but in Chancery Suits at Common-Law not before him but in cases of Life in the Kings-Bench for Title of Lands or Goods in the proper Courts of the Kings-Bench or Common-Pleas This declared in the Instructions for Ireland in the latter end of King Iames His time and by the Proclamation in His Majesties time my Lord took notice of them called the Commissioners narrow-hearted Commissioners The Law said He should not thus proceed in the subversion of it he saith he will and will enforce Obedience by the Army this is as much in respect of the end as to endeavour the overthrow of the Statutes of Labourers of Victuals or of Merton for Inclosures here is a Warrant against the King in respect of the end 2. In respect of the Actions whether there be either a Levying of War or an open Deed or both My Lords There was an Army in Ireland at that time of Two thousand Horse and Foot by this Warrant there is a full designation of this whole Army and an Assignment of it over to Savill for this purpose The Warrant gives him power from time to time to take as many Soldiers Horse and Foot with an Officer throughout the whole Army as himself shall please here is the terror and awe of the whole Army to enforce Obedience My Lords If the Earl had Armed two thousand men Horse and Foot and formed them into Companies to this end your Lordships would have conceived that this had been a War It 's as much as in the Case of Sir Thomas Talbot who armed them in Assemblies This is the same with a breach of Trust added to it That Army which was first raised and afterwards committed to his Trust for the defence of the People is now destined by him to their destruction This assignation of the Army by his Warrant under his Hand and Seal is an open Act. My Lords Here 's not only an open Act done but a Levying of War Soldiers both Horse and Foot with an Officer in Warlike manner assessed upon the Subject which killed their Cattel consumed and wasted their Goods Your Lordships observe a great difference where six men go upon a design alone and when sent from an Army of six hundred all engaged in the same service so many were sent as were sufficient to execute the Command if upon a poor man fewer more upon a rich if the six had not been able the whole Army must make it good The reason that the Sheriff directed alone or but with one Bayliff to do execution is because he hath the Command of the Law the Kings Writ and the Posse Comitatus in case of resistance Here 's the Warrant of a General of an Army Here 's the Posse Exercitus the Power of the Army under the awe of the whole Army six may force more than sixty without it and although never above six in one place yet in several parts of the Kingdom at the same time might be above sixty for sessing of Soldiers was frequent it was the ordinary course for execution of his Orders The Lord-Lieutenant of a County in England hath a design to alter the Laws and Government nay admit the design goes not so high he only declares thus much he will order the Freeholders and Estates of the Inhabitants of the County at his own will and pleasure and doth accordingly proceed upon Paper-Petitions foreseeing there will be disobedience he grants out Warrants under his Hand and Seal to the Deputy-Lieutenants and Captains of the Trained-bands that upon refusal they will take such number of the Trained-Bands through the County with Officers as they shall think good and lay them upon the Lands and Houses of the refusers Soldiers in a Warlike manner are frequently sessed upon them accordingly your Lordships do conceive that this is a Levying of War within the Statute The Case in question goes further in these two Respects That it is more against the declared Law in Ireland not only against the Common-Law but likewise against the Statute of 28 Hen. 6th against the Acts of the Commissioners against Proclamations in persuance of the Law against that himself took notice of narrow-hearted Commissioners In this that here was an Army the Soldiers by profession acts of Hostility from them of greater terror than from Freeholders of the same County My Lords I have now done with the First of Levying of War The Second is the Machination the advising of a War The Case in this rests upon a Warrant to Savile and the advice in the 23 Article The Warrant shews a resolution of imploying the old Army of Ireland to the oppression of His Majesties Subjects and the Laws In the 23 Article having told His Majesty that he was loosed and absolved from Rules of Government and might doe every thing which Power might admit he proceeded further in speech to His Majesty in these words You have an Army in Ireland you may employ to reduce this Kingdom My Lords Both being put together there 's a Machination a practice an advice to Levy War and by force to oppress and destroy His Majesties Subjects It hath been said the Statute of the 25 Edw. 3. is a penal Law and cannot be taken by equity and construction there must be an actual War the Statute makes it Treason to counterfeit the Kings Coin the conspiring the raising of Furnaces is no Treason unless he doth Nummum percutere actually Coin My Lords This is only said not proved the Law is otherwise the 19th Hen 6. fol. 49. there adjudged That the conspiring and aiding to counterfeit Coin was Treason and Justice Stamford fol. 331. 44. is of opinion that this or the conspiring to counterfeit the Great Seal is Treason The Statute is If any shall counterfeit the Great Seal conspiring to do it by the Book is Treason if a man take the Broad Seal from one Patent and put it to another here is no counterfeiting it 's tantamount and therefore Treason as is adjudged in 2 Hen. 4. fol. 25. and by the opinion of Stamford If Machination or Plotting a War be not within that clause of the Statute of Levying of War yet it is within the first of compassing the death of the King as that which necessarily tends to the destruction both of King and People upon whose safety and protection he is to engage himself That this is Treason hath been adjudged both after the Statutes of 1 Hen. 4. cap. 10. and 1 Queen Mary so much insisted upon on the other side In the Third year of King Hen. 4th one Balshal coming from London found one Bernard
him in mortem destructionem of the King My Lords in this Judgment and others which I shall cite to your Lordships it appears that it is a compassing the Kings death by Words to endeavour to draw the Peoples hearts from the King to set discord between the King and them whereby the People should leave the King should rise up against Him to the death and destruction of the King The Cases that I shall cite prove not onely that it is Treason but what is sufficient Evidence to make this good Upon a Commission held the 18th year of Ed. 4. in Kent before the Marquess of Dorset and others an Indictment was preferred against Iohn Awater of High Treason in the Forme before-mentioned for Words which are entred in the Indictment Sub hac forma That he had been servant to the Earl of Warwick that though he were dead the Earl of Oxford was alive and should have the Government of part of that Country That Edward whom you call King of England was a false Man and had by Art and Subtilty slain the Earl of Warwick and the Duke of Clare his Brother without any cause who before had been both of them attainted of High Treason My Lords This Indictment was Returned into the Kings Bench in Trinity-Terme in the Eighteenth year of Edward the Fourth and in Easter-Terme the Two and twentieth of Edward the Fourth he was outlawed by the stay of the outlawry so long as it seemes the Judges had well advised before whether it were Treason or not At the same Session Thomas Heber was Indicted of Treason for these words That the last Parliament was the most simple and insufficient Parliament that ever had been in England That the King was gone to live in Kent because that for the present he had not the Love of the Citizens of London nor should he have it for the future That if the Bishop of Bath and Wells were dead the Archbishop of Canterbury being Cardinal of England would immediately lose his head This Indictment was returned into the Kings Bench in Trinity-Terme in the 18th year of Edward the 4th afterwards there came a Privy-Seal to the Judge to respit the Proceedings which as it should seem was to the intent the Judges might advise of the Case for afterwards he is outlawed of High-Treason upon this Indictment These words are thought sufficient evidence to prove these several Indictments that they were spoken to withdraw the Peoples Affections from the King to excite them against Him to cause Risings against Him by the People in mortem destructionem of the King Your Lordships are pleased to consider That in all these Cases the Treason was for words onely words by private persons and in a more private manner but once spoken and no more onely amongst the People to excite them against the King My Lords here are Words Counsels more then Words and Actions too not onely to disaffect the people to the King but the King likewise towards the People not once but often not in Private but in places most Publick not by a Private Person but by a Counsellor ofState a Lord Lieutenant a Lord-President a Lord-Deputy of Ireland 1. To His Majesty that the Parliament had denyed to supply Him a Slander upon all the Commons of England in their Affections to the King and Kingdom in refusing to yield timely supply for the Necessities of the King and Kingdom 2. From thence that the King was loose and absolved from Rules of Government and was to do every thing that Power would admit My Lords more cannot be said they cannot be aggravated whatever I should say would be in Diminution 3. Thence you have an Army in Ireland you may employ to reduce this Kingdom To Counsel a King not to Love His People is very Unnatural it goes higher to hate them to Malice them in his heart the highest expressions of Malice to destroy them by War These Coales they were cast upon His Majesty they were blown they could not kindle in that Breast Thence my Lords having done the utmost to the King he goes to the people At York the Country being met together for Justice at the Open Assises upon the Bench he tells them speaking of the Justices of the Peace that they were all for Law nothing but Law but they should find that the Kings Little Finger should be heavier then the Loynes of the Law as they shall find My Lords Who speaks this to the people a Privy-Counsellor this must be either to traduce His Majesty to the people as spoken from Him or from himself who was Lord-Lieutenant of the County and President intrusted with the Forces and Justice of those parts that he would Employ both this way Add my Lords to His Words there the Exercising of an Arbitrary and Vast Jurisdiction before he had so much as Instructions or Colour of Warrant Thence we carry him into Ireland there he Represented by his place the Sacred Person of His Majesty First There at Dublin the Principal City of that Kingdom whither the Subjects of that Country came for Justice in an Assembly of Peers and others of greatest Rank upon occasion of a Speech of the Recorder of that City touching their Franchises and Regal Rights he tells them That Ireland was a Conquered Nation and that the King might do with them what he pleased Secondly Not long after in the Parliament 10 Car. in the Chair of State in full Parliament again That they were a Conquer'd Nation and that they were to expect Laws as from a Conqueror before the King might do with them what He would now they were to expect it that he would put this Power of a Conqueror in Execution The Circumstances are very Considerable in full Parliament from himself in Cathedra to the Representative Body of the whole Kingdom The Occasion adds much when they desir'd the Benefit of the Laws and that their Causes and Suites might be determined according to Law and not by himself at his Will and Pleasure upon Paper Petitions Thirdly Upon like occasion of Pressing the Laws and Statutes that he would make an Act of Council-Board in that Kingdom as Binding as an Act of Parliament Fourthly He made his Words good by his Actions Assumed and Exercised a Boundless and Lawless Jurisdiction over the Lives Persons and Estates of His Majesties Subjects procured Judgment of Death against a Peer of that Realm Commanded another to be Hanged this was accordingly Executed both in times of High Peace without any Process or Colour of Law Fifthly By Force of a long time he Seized the Yarn and Flax of the Subjects to the Starving and undoing of many thousands besides the Tobacco business and many Monopolies and Unlawful Taxes forced a New Oath not to dispute His Majesties Royal Commands determined Mens Estates at his own Will and Pleasure upon Paper-Petitions to himself forced Obedience to these not only by Fines and Imprisonment but likewise by the Army sessed
to breath Victory than like a Condemned man to undergo the Sentence of death The Lieutenant desired him to take Coach for fear the people should rush in upon him and tear him in pieces No said he Master Lieutenant I dare look death in the Face and I hope the People too have you a care that I do dot escape and I care not how I dye whether by the hand of the Executioner or the madness and fury of the people if that may give them better content it is all one to me He left these Three Instructions for his Son in Writing FIrst That he should continue still to be brought up under those Governors to whom he had committed him as being the best he could pick out of all those within his knowledge and that he should not change them unless they were weary of him that he should rather want himself than they should want any thing they could desire Secondly If his Prince should call him to publique Service he should carefully undertake it to testify his obedience and withal to be faithful and sincereto his Master though he should come to the same end that himself did Thirdly That he foresaw that ruine was like to come upon the Revenues of the Church and that perhaps they might be shared amongst the Nobility and Gentry but I charge you never to meddle with any of it for the curse of God will follow all them that meddle with such a thing that tends to the destruction of the most Apostolical Church upon Earth A brief Account of some Interlocutory passages in Parliament in which my Lord of Strafford so discovered his Wit and Temper that the Court took particular notice of him IN the month of September 1626. The King having special occasions to be furnished with Money suitable to the importance of his undertakings for the relief of the King of Denmark His Majesty came to this Resolution That the urgency of affairs not admitting the way of Parliament the most speedy equal and convenient means were by a general Loan from the Subject according as every man was Assessed in the Rolls of the last Subsidy Upon which Result the King forthwith chose Commissioners for the Loan and caused a Declaration to be published wherein he alledged for this course of Supply the Reasons set down at large in his late Declaration touching the Dissolution of the Parliament 2 o Car. adding farther That the urgency of the occasion would not give leave to the calling of a Parliament In the said year 1626. Sir Thomas Wentworth having a Privy Seal sent unto him about the Loan-money and to advance the sum of 40 l. to the King he amongst other things in the County of York refused to lend the same as being a Demand contrary to the Right and Property of the Subject to part with their Money but by consent of Parliament The Non-Subscribers of high Rank and Rate in most Counties were bound over by Recognizance to tender their appearance at the Council Table and divers of them were committed to prison but others also of Quality were appointed to several Confinements not in their own but in remote Counties Sir Thomas Wentworth and Geo. Ratcliffe Esq afterwards Sir George were sent by Messengers from the Council and removed out of the County of York into the County of Kent and there secured by Confinement and during this Restraint and Confinement a Parliament was called which was to meet March 17. 3 Car. 1627. In the month of Iuly before the calling of this Parliament the Lord Conway Secretary of State brought a Message from the King to Arch-bishop Abbot that it was His Majesties pleasure he would withdraw from his Houses at Lambeth and Croydon and go to Canterbury and reside there What is my fault said the Arch-Bishop that brings this message of Removal and Confinement upon me Although said the Secretary I have no Commission to tell you it is for a Book you would not Licence for the Kings Service and afterwards the Arch-Bishop understood more particularly that besides that it was because Sir Thomas Wentworth made resort to the Arch-Bishops House at times of Dinner and Supper As for Sir Thomas Wentworth he had good occasion to send unto me and sometimes to see me because we were joynt Executors to Sir George Savile who married his Sister and was my Pupil at Oxford to which Son also Sir Thomas Wentworth and I were Guardians as may appear in the Court of Wards and many things passed between us in that behalf yet to my remembrance I saw not this Gentleman but once these three quarters of a year last past at which time he came to see his Brother-in-law the Lord Clifford who was then with me at Dinner at Lambeth Saturday March the 22th THe time of the House was spent in opening the Grievances and State of the Kingdom as Billeting of Soldiers Benevolencies and Privy Seals and the imprisoning certain Gentlemen who refused to lend upon that account c. Sir Francis Seymor spake first and said THis is the great Council of the Kingdom and here if not here alone His Majesty may see as in a true Glass the State of the Kingdom c. We are called hither by His Majesties Writs to give him faithful Council such as may stand with His Honor but this we must do without flattery we are sent hither by the Commons to discharge the Trust reposed in us by delivering up their just Grievances and this we must do without fear Let us not therefore be like the Cambyses Judges who being demanded of their King Whether it were not lawful for him to do what in it self was unlawful they rather to please the King than to discharge their own Consciences Answered That the Persian Kings might do what they listed c. Flattery tends to mischief being fitter for reproof than imitation and as Flattery so Fear taketh away the Judgement let us not then be possessed with Fear or Flattery of corruptions the basest For my own part I shall shun both these and speak my Conscience with as much Duty to His Majesty as any man but not neglecting the Publique in which His Majesty and the Common-wealth have an interest but how can we shew our Affections whilst we retain our Fears or how can we think of giving Subsidies till we know whether we have any thing to give or no For if His Majesty be perswaded by any to take from His Subjects what He will and where it pleashim I would gladly know what we have to give After Sir Francis Seymor had ended his Speech Sir Thomas Wentworth stood up and said THis Debate carrys a double Aspect towards the Soverign and the Subject though both be innocent both are injured and both to be cured Surely in the greatest humility I speak it these illegal ways are punishments and marks of indignation the raising of Loans strengthened by Commission with unheard of Instructions and Oaths the Billeting of Soldiers
thus levyed His Lordship added That the next Point he should have endeavoured to prove was That the Gentry that granted the Six score thousand pounds for Supply of the Army in my Lord Faulklands time agreed That the same should not be brought into the Kings Exchequer but be levyed by Soldiers nor be mentioned in any Accompt of the Kings least it should be mentioned to their prejudice but let the Gentlemen that manages the Evidence labour to prove this And Mr. Palmer declared again That they agreed to it Whence my Lord of Strafford observed That it concerned him both to make good the truth of his Answer and to tell their Lordships how narrowly he is moved to look to himself for though they now agree it to be done by the Agents and practised by them yet the first part of this Killing Charge is That he should Traiterously and Wickedly devise to subdue the Subjects of that Realm by levying Money on them But Mr. Palmer explained himself That they did admit the Contribution to be levied by the Agreement of the Agents and by consent but they intend not to admit that it did extend to a practice by his Predecessors for that it was formerly done they did in no sort admit And Mr. Pym added That they do not Charge him with levying the Contribution Money but with levying Money after the Contribution was paid which was more than the Contribution but that is not in issue So my Lord of Strafford concluded that Point That the Contribution for eight years before his coming was levied by Soldiers is admitted So that for all the things concerning that Contribution he did no more than was agreeable to the Agents themselves His Lordship then desired That the Second Article of my Lord of Faulklands Instructions might be Read by which he was expresly appointed to lay Soldiers on such as paid not their Rent to the King And it was Read ARTICLE II. FOr the Collection of our Rents in Cases of Default That First a Summoning Process shall Issue Secondly The Pursivant sent And Lastly if this be not sufficient in case the same be not levyed then our Vice-Treasurer by Warrant of our Deputy and Council shall appoint a competent number of Soldiers of the next Ayding and Garrison to collect the Rents of the charge of the Parties complained of having care that no man be burdened with a greater number of Soldiers than the Service shall necessarily require Mr. Palmer desiring That the first Article of these Instructions might be Read it was read accordingly AT the humble Request of our Subjects We are graciously pleas'd to direct for the better preservation and ease of our Subjects the Soldiers shall be called in c. My Lord of Strafford from his Proofes inferred That he had made it clearly appear That notwithstanding the Statute cited it had been the frequent use and custome of Ireland to assess Soldiers on Septs of Offenders for the levying of Exchequer-rents levying Debts as appears in one particular Case which is left in Dublin for the levying of the Composition Rents by Troops of Horse and Horsemen and for the Contribution that State gives no difference betwixt sessing for the Kings Rents and for contempts and disobedience to Justice and certainly it would be High-Treason for if the Deputy had power to assess the Soldiers without being guilty in the former Case certainly his assessing of Soldiers on Contemners to bring them to be ameneable to the Kings Justice cannot be by any construction made Treason in him So that though it comes not to the particular individuum yet it comes thus far that sessing of the Soldiers is a power that was in the Deputies of Ireland and so he trusts was by the Law of that Land without making them Traytors His Lordship did further alleadg That when he came into Ireland he found that none of the Kings Rents were levyed in other manner Paper-Attachments being given unto the Captains and they on these assignements levying the Money for their Entertainments that he was willing to remedy this being not much in love with the course and since his time it was never practised the Rents being brought in before it comes to that though if they had not been paid sooner it must have come to that And therefore he desired he might show them a Proclamation Issued within three months after he came into Ireland to show that he brought not the Custom with him but found it there Which Proclamation was Read being Dated 27 th December 1633. And Imported THat whereas the Surplusage of his Majesties Revenue is appointed to be applyed towards the Payment of the Army thereby to give the Countrey more ease c. To which Proclamation divers of the Counsellors Names were added and were now Read So that if Sessing of Soldiers in any case be Treason certainly it is in this Posito That if the Law be good it equally goes to both And so he conceives he hath shewed the use that hath been and must be of the Officers of the Army being the most ready way to procure obedience to the Kings Courts His Lordship observed That the Gentlemen at the Barr waved part of his Charge though there was a Book in Print wherein he appears to be charged in a Trayterous manner to subdue c. He waves the Article And though they decline it he besought their Lordships he might give an Account of this particular least it should stick with their Lordships when they read the Article and find no Answer to it But the Committee opposed it as conceiving it not fit he should Answer to an Article to which he was not pressed specially since they have not wholly laid it aside and that he had notice yesterday that they intended not for the present to proceed upon it which my Lord of Strafford confessed and gave thanks to the House of Commons for it His Lordship then proceeded in his Defence setting forth to their Lordships That the first Instruction to my Lord of Faulkland is no limitation to him it being not good as to him unless it were given him which he mentions onely by the way For the Warrants charged to be by him Issued and the Execution of them His Lordship desires to free himself from the Testimony given by Mr. Berne and Mr. Kennedy concerning a very foul misdemeanour committed by some Soldiers under pretence of coming to see the Kings Writ executed and his Justice complyed withal before he comes to that that concerns Mr. Savill 1. It appears these Soldiers were laid when he was not in Ireland so that he is not answerable to any thing Deposed by these Gentlemen further than that he gave a Warrant for it to Mr. Pigott II. He denies that ever Pigott had any such Warrant from him nor is any Proofe to that purpose offered Therefore it is not to be laid to his Accompt III. Only Patrick Clear sayes Pigott threatned to lay
to Sir William Pennyman in pursuance of which he made his Warrant That it was the assent of the Lords of the great Council that this Money should be levied and taking all together whether it fixes it not upon him to be the Author and Instrument it rests in your judgements in point of fact and so I suppose the Seven and twentieth Article rests on him and so I shall conclude the Evidence produced on the behalf of the Commons And now give me leave to put your Lordships in mind of some Evidences offered by my Lord Strafford himself in his Answer and in the passages of his Defence for his clearing and justification but tending directly to his condemnation I will enter upon some passages he mentioned to day and often before When he is charged with invading the Estates of the Peers of the kingdom of Ireland and determining them upon Paper Petitions in an Arbitrary way your Lordships have heard him speak it before and repeat it this day That he did it out of compassion for the more expeditious proceeding on behalfe of the poor against these mighty But then my Lords I beseech you compare some other part of his proceedings Your Lordships remember the business of the Flax which concerns the poor wholly and universally and if compassion had been the rule and direction of his actions towards the poor surely this would have been a just cause to have commiserated them in this case but he exercised his power over them and over them wholly and over them universally and therefore it shews it is not his compassion to the poor nor respect to the rich or mighty that will any way restrain or obstruct his ways to his own Will And thefore you may see what truth there is in his answer by comparing one part of the charge with another when the business of the Flax brought that calamity upon the Kings Subjects that thousands of them perished for lack of Bread and dyed in Ditches Secondly Your Lordships have often heard him use a Rhetorical insinuatian wondring that he should be charged with words and they strained so high as to be made Treason to question his Life and Posterity though the words might be spoken unadvisedly or in discourse or by chance Your Lordships remember the Fifth Article touching his proceedings against my Lord Mountnorris where words were spoken in an ordinary discourse at dinner and slight ones God knows of no consequence at all such as another man would scarce have harkened after and yet my Lord extends them to the taking away of my Lord Mountnorris his life gets a sentence of death against him and that against Law with a high hand in such a manner as I think your Lordships have not heard the like and therefore I beseech you compare one part of his Answer with another and see how ready he is to make use of any thing that may excuse himself and yet when he comes to act his power you see his exercise of it You have heard how he magnifies his Zeal for advancing the Kings Benefit and Revenue and his care of his Service and would shelter and protect himself under it to justify an exorbitant action but if your Lordships call to mind the business of the Customs for Tobacco which in truth were the Kings right and due and a great profit was thereby advanced and he trusted to advance it The King must loose of his former Rents in the case of Custom and received a small Rent in the case of Tobacco my Lord himself in the mean time imbursing such vast sums of Money where is then the discharge of his Trust where is his care to advance the Kings Rents to increase his Revenue Compare that part of his Answer with this and see what credit is to be given to his affirmation My Lords throughout the passages of his discourse he insinuates and never more than this day with the Peers of the Realm magnifying them almost to Idolatry and yet my Lords when he was in his Kingdom in Ireland and had power over them what respect shewed he then to the Peers of the Kingdom when he judged some to death trampled upon others in misery committed them to prison and seized on their Estates where then was the Peerage he now magnifies And to shew it was an insinuation for his own advantage you may remember when there was an unlawful Act to be committed that is the levying of Money in the North What regard had he then to the Peers of the Kingdom when he comes to justify and boulster up High Treason it self under the name and authority of the Great Council where most of the Peers of the Realm then were and so by this time I know what credit your Lordships give to his words spoken when he lies under your Mercy and Power but what do I speak of the Peers of the Kingdom and his using of them My Lords he spared not his Sovereign His Majesty in His whole Defence for being charged with offences of a high nature he justifies those offences under the pretence and under the authority of His Majesty our Gracious King and Sovereign even Murther it self in the Case of Denwit and my Lord Mountnorris Treason it self in the Fifteenth Article by a Command in Ireland and in the Seven and twentieth by a pretended authority from His Majesty in the face of His People he justifies my Lord Mountnorris his sentence by a Letter from His Majesty Denwits Sentence by a Commission from His Majesty and he read three or four clauses to that purpose My Lords my Lord of Strafford doth very well know and if he doth not know it I have a Witness to produce against him which I will not examine but refer it to his own Conscience that is The Petition of Right that the Kings Servants are to serve him according to Law and no otherwise he very well knew if an unlawful act be committed especially to a degree of Treason and Murder the Kings Authority and Warrant produced is no justification at all So then my Lords to mention the Kings name to justify an unlawful act in that way can do him no good and his own understanding knows it may do the King harm if we had not so Gracious a King that no such thing can do harm unto But my Lords to produce the Kings Warrant to justify his actions under his Patent and Command what is it else but so far as in him lies in the face of his people to raise a cloud and exhale a vapour To interpose betwixt the King and his Subjects whereby the splendor of his Glory and Justice cannot be discovered to his people My Lords what is it else when the people make complaint against the Ministers that should execute justice of their oppression and slavery and bondage For the Minister when he is questioned to justify this under the Kings Authority what is it I say but as much as in that Minister lies