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A69202	Generall demands concerning the late covenant propounded by the ministers and professors of divinitie in Aberdene, to some reverend brethren, who came thither to recommend the late covenant to them, and to those who are committed to their charge. Together with the answers of those reverend brethren to the said demands. As also the replyes of the foresaid ministers and professors to their answers.	Henderson, Alexander, 1583?-1646.; Forbes, John, 1593-1648.; Hamilton, James Hamilton, Duke of, 1606-1649.	1638 (1638)	STC 66; ESTC S100396	26,442	56

Covenants in the judgement of Jurisconsults are to be esteemed and judged of according to their diverse ends good or bad which made King James of happie memorie to take it for an undoubted maxime That pro aris focis pro patre patriae the whole body of the Common-wealth should stirre at once not any more as divided members but as one consolidate lump REPLY IN that second part of that act of Parliament holden at Linlithgow Anno 1585. are forbidden All leagues or bands of mutuall defence which are made without the privitie and consent of the King under the pain to be holden and execute as movers of sedition and unquietnesse c. Wherefore we can no wayes think that any bands or leagues of mutuall defence by force of armes are there permitted that is not forbidden seeing first the words of the act are so generall for in it are discharged All bands made amongst subjects of any degree upon any colour whatsoever without his Highn●sse or his Successours privitie and consent had and obtained thereunto Next all such bands are declared to be seditious and perturbative of the publick peace of the Realme or which is all one are appointed to bee esteemed so And therefore we cannot see how any bands of that kinde can be excepted as if they were not seditious 2. We doubt not but the late Covenant being considered according to the main intention of those pious and generous Gentlemen Barons and others our dear countreymen who made it especially our reverend brethren of the holy ministery is a Covenant made with God and proceeding from a zealous respect to Gods glory and to the preservation of the puritie of the Gospel in this Church and Kingdome But we cannot finde a warrant in our consciences to grant That such Covenants in so farre as they import mutuall defence against all persons whatsever none being excepted no not the King as it seemeth unto us by the words of your Covenant but far more by the words of your late Protestation the 28 of Iune wherein you promise mutuall defence against all externall or internall invasion menaced in his Majesties last Proclamation are not forbidden by any band nor justly yet can be forbidden For first we have alreadie shown That they are forbidden in the foresaid act of Parliament Anno 1585. 2. No warfare and consequently no covenant importing warfare is lawfull without just Authoritie which we are perswaded is onely in the supreme Magistrate and in those who have power and imployment from him to take armes yea so farre as we know all moderate men who duely respect Authority will say That it is so in all Kingdomes and Monarchies properly so called of which nature is this his Majesties most ancient Kingdome And that it is altogether unlawfull to subjects in such Kingdomes to take armes against their Prince For which cause that famous and most learned Doctour Rivetus in a late Treatise called Iesuita vapulans speaking of the judgment of Buchanan and others who taught That subjects might take armes against their Prince in extraordinary cases and extreme dangers of the Religion and Common-wealth professeth first That he and all other Protestants condemne such doctrine Secondly That this errour did proceed from a mistaking of the government of the Scotish Kingdome as if it were not truely and properly Monarchicall Thirdly That the rashnesse of those writers is to be ascribed partly to the hard and perilous times of persecution wherein they lived and partly Scotorum praefervido ingenis ad audendum prompto Thus he writeth in the 13. Chap. of the said book Pag. 274. and 275. answering to the Recrimination of a Iesuit who had affirmed That Buchanan Knox and Goodman had written as boldly for the rebellion of Subjects against Princes as any of their order at any time had done A thing much to be noted by us at this time lest we any more give that advantage to Iesuites to make Apologie for their rebellious doctrines and practises 3. Not only making of Covenants but also all other actions are to be esteemed and judged of first by the equitie of the subject and matter then by the end for if the matter pactioned that is which the parties mutually do promise be justly forbidden by a lawfull Authoritie and consequently be unlawfull in it self then the goodnesse of the end or project cannot make the paction or Covenant to be good or lawfull THE III. DEMAND IF it be alledged That in extreme and most dangerous cases such acts of Parliament may be contraveened Quaeritur Whether there be now such extreme case seeing we have his Majestie in his former Proclamations avowing protesting declaring and in this last Proclamation taking God to witnesse that he never intended any innovation of Religion and also seeing he hath removed alreadie all that which made men fear novations to wit Service book book of Canons and the alledged exorbitancie of the new high Commission ANSVVER IF the removing of the Service book book of Canons and the limitation of the vast power of the high Commission containing so much superstition and tyranny of Prelates be a benefit to this Kirk and Kingdome we ought under God to ascribe the same to the peaceable meetings humble supplications and religious covenanting of the subjects which have given information to his Majestie and have procured from his justice and goodnesse so great favour as is thankfully acknowledged in the last Protestation which doth also expresse the many particulars wherein his Majesties late Proclamation is not satisfactorie And therefore the Lords of his Majesties privie Councel upon the supplication and complaint of his Lieges were moved to rescind the act of the Approbation of the foresaid Proclamation and to rend the subscribed Missive which was to be sent therewith to his Majestie We are confident that the Declaration wherewith his Majesties Commissioner was so well pleased will also give satisfaction to our reverend brethren and that they will not think it convenient for them to give further approbation to the Proclamation than the Councel hath done although all of us ought with thankfulnesse to acknowledge his Majesties benignitie REPLY WE will not here dispute what hath been the maine or principall cause moving his sacred Majesty to discharge the Service booke and other things which occasioned the present perturbation of our Church nor yet whether or not his Majesties proclamation may give full satisfaction to all the feares and doubts of his subjects For our selves we professe that upon his Majesties declaration and gracious promise contained in his Majesties last proclamation we beleeve first That his Majesty never intended innovation in religion Secondly That he will maintain the true Protestant religion all the dayes of his life which we pray God to continue long Thirdly That all acts made in favours of the Service boook c. are discharged Fourthly That he will never urge the receiving of the Service book Book of Canons c. nor any other

and practice and withdraw their people from that which hath been before recommended unto them as truth We conclude Exhorting earnestly entreating lovingly and charging modestly these and all others our reverend brethren before God and the Lord Iesus Christ who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing in his kingdome if there be any consolation in Christ if any comfort of love if any fellowship of the Spirit if any bowels of mercies to look narrowly to their own consciences in these weighty matters remembring that of Ieremy The heart is deceitfull above all things and desperately wicked who can know it To judge charitably of us their brethren remembring that of our Saviour Iudge not that ye be not judged To deal with us in love and meeknesse if so be they think us to have gone astray from the truth which God knoweth we no wayes do perceive remembring that of S. Paul If a man be overtaken in a fault ye that are spirituall restore such an one with the spirit of meeknesse as also that of S. Iames The wisdome that is from above is first pure then peaceable gentle and easie to be entreated full of mercy and good fruits c. And last of all To seek peace and so to follow after it that this our dear native countrey be not exposed to a dangerous warfare and to all the wofull consequents thereof of which our hearts cannot think without trembling and horrour ANSWER 1 NOthing in the interpretation of the Covenant against the lawfulnesse of Pearth articles and of Episcopall government 2 We never intended to draw the meanest of the subjects from that loyalty of obedience which they owe to their Soveraigne and ours 3 The Counsell hath rescinded the approbation of that Proclamation 4 His Majesties religious and righteous disposition hath been to us a ground and chief argument of our hope of the hearing of all our petitions 5 We have no desire to wrong our reverend and worthy brethren but rather to passe in silence the wrongs which we have sustained by them And would approve our selves unto our God and prove faithfull in the imployments put upon us earnestly desiring That every eye may perceive the wonderfull work of God in this land lest any of us be found fighting against God and that all of us may joyn heart and hand for the purity and peace of the Kirk of our Lord Iesus Christ blessed for ever M r. ALEXANDER HENDERSON Minister at Leuchars M r. DAVID DICKSON Minister at Irwing M r. ANDREW CANT Minister at Petsligo Iuly 21. 1638. REPLY THere is too much as we think in your Covenant against the lawfulnesse of Pearth Articles 2 Your band of mutuall defence against all persons whatsoever may draw subjects perhaps to take arms against their King which God avert and consequently from that loyalty of obedience which they owe to their Soveraigne and ours except ye declare and explain your selves better than ye have hitherto done 3 What the most honourable Lords of his Majesties privie Councell have done concerning the Kings Majesties last Proclamation is not sufficiently known to us and far lesse upon what grounds and motives they have as you say rescinded their approbation of the late Proclamation 4 His Majesties religious and righteous disposition hath been to us and is a main ground wherefore we rest and rely upon his gracious Proclamation perswading our selves that he intendeth not nor ever intended any innovation in religion 5 We shall labour by all means to eschew every thing which in the least degree may wrong you our reverend and worthy brethren As for the wrongs already done by us to you as ye pretend whensoever it shall please you to specifie them we hope to give you full satisfaction and to clear our selves of that imputation 6 The work of God towards any nation how strange and wonderfull soever it seem to be is never contrary to his word And therefore we fear not to be found fighting against Gods work so long as we fight not against his truth revealed in his word That all-seeing Lord knoweth that we maintain his truth according to the light of our consciences and are ready to joyn heart and hand with you for the purity and peace of this Church in every lawfull way and course as sincere lovers of truth and peace And now brethren before we conclude again we entreat you and all others our dear country men especially our reverend brethren of the holy Ministery to judge charitably of us and of our proceedings at this time and in particular of these our Demands and Replyes which God is our witnesse neither hatred of any mans person nor love of contention nor any worldly respect but only the conscience of our calling hath drawn from us And as for our arguments for not subscribing which are taken from our due subjection and obedience to our Soveraigne and his laws We protest and declare That they ought not to be so interpreted as if we intended to accuse you or others our dear countrey men of disloyalty towards our most gracious King or as if our purpose were to lay any such imputation upon you For they are only used by us to show what the words of the Covenant seem to us to import and how we conceive of them as also what maketh us so to conceive of them We doubt not reverend brethren but ye know that as we owe to you and to your proceedings the favourable judgement of charitie so we ought to judge of those things which we are to swear and subscribe with the strict and inquisitive judgement of veritie and consequently we ought to ponder duly and to propound particularly and fully to others especially to those who require our oath and subscription and undertake to satisfie our consciences thereanent all the doubts and reasons which make us unwilling or afraid to give our subscription thereunto JOHN FORBES of Corse Doctor and Professor of Divinity in Aberdene ALEXANDER SCROGIE Minister at old Aberdene D. D. WILLIAM LESLEY D. D. and Principall of the Kings Colledge in Aberdene ROBERT BARON Doctor and Professor of Divinity and Minister at Aberdene JA. SIBBALD Doctor of Divinity and Minister at Aberdene ALEXANDER ROSS Doctor of Divinity and Minister at Aberdene FINIS † Nor is there any ground for their opinion of my acceptation of that declaration unlesse they call receiving accepting and that was not in my power to refuse it being conceived in formall words of a supplication and so tendered to me who by my royall Master his instructions was commanded to receive the petitions of all his good and loyall subjects