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A04434	The svmme and svbstance of the conference which, it pleased his excellent Maiestie to haue with the lords, bishops, and other of his clergie, (at vvhich the most of the lordes of the councell were present) in his Maiesties priuy-chamber, at Hampton Court. Ianuary 14. 1603. / Contracted by VVilliam Barlovv, Doctor of Diuinity, and Deane of Chester. Whereunto are added, some copies, (scattered abroad,) vnsauory, and vntrue.	Barlow, William, d. 1613.	1604 (1604)	STC 1456.5; ESTC S100949	36,617	118

complained of and that none except it vvere such as D. Reyn. who were supposed would confute them had libertie by authoritie to buy them Againe such books came into the Realme by many secret conueyances so that there could not bee a perfect notice had of their importation Secondly to the particular instaunce of Ficlerus hee saide that the author De iure c. was a great Disciplinarian whereby it did appeare what aduantage that sorte gaue vnto the Papistes who mutatis personis could apply their owne argumentes against Princes of the Religion but for his owne parte hee saide hee detested both the Author and the Applyer alike My Lord Cecill here taxing also the vnlimited libertie of the dispersing and diuulging these Popish and seditious Pamphletes both in Powles Churchyeard the Vniuersities instanced one lately set forth published namely Speculū Tragicum which both his M tie the L. Henry Howard now Earle of Northampton termed a daungerous booke both for matter intention the Lord Chauncellor also diuiding all such bookes into Latine and English concluded that these last dispersed did most harme yet the Lord Secretarie affirmed that my Lord of London had done therein what might bee for the suppressing of them and that he knewe no man else had done any thing in that kinde but he At length it pleased his excellent Maiestie to tell D. Reyn. that hee was a better Colledge man then a Statesman for if his meaning were to taxe the Bishop of London for suffering those bookes betwixt the Secular Priestes and Iesuites lately published so freely to passe abroad His Maiestie would haue him and his Associates to know and willed them also to acquaint their adherents and friendes abroad therewith that the saide Bishoppe was much iniured and slaundered in that behalfe who did nothing therein but by warrant from the Lordes of the Councell whereby both a Schisme betwixt them was nourished also his Maiesties owne cause and Title handled the Lord Cecill affirming thereunto that therefore they were tolerated because in them was the Title of Spaine confuted The L. Treasurer added that D. Reyn. might haue obserued another vse of those Bookes viz. that now by the testimony of the Priestes themselues her late Maiestie and the State were cleared of that imputation of putting Papistes to death for their consciences onely and for their Religion seeing in those books they themselues confesse that they were executed for treason D. Reyn. excused himselfe expounding his cōplaint not meant of such bookes as had beene printed in England but such as came from beyond the Seas as Commentaries both in Philosophy and diuinitie And these were the partes of the first head concerning puritie of Doctrine Touching Pastors Resident Learned To the second generall point concerning the planting of Ministers learned in euery Parish it pleased his Maiestie to aunswere that hee had consulted with his Bishops about that whome hee found willing and readie to second him in it inueighing herein against the negligence and carelesnesse which hee heard of many in this land but as Subita euacuatio was periculosa so subita mutatio Therefore this matter was not for a present resolution because to appoint to euery Parrish a sufficient Minister were impossible the Vniuersities would not afford them Again he had fouud alreadie that hee had more learned men in this Realme then hee had sufficient maintenance for so that maintenance must first bee prouided and then the other to bee required In the meane time ignorant Ministers if young to be remoued if there were no hope of their amendment if olde their death must bee expected that the next course may bee better supplyed and so concluded this point with a most religious and zealous protestation of doing something dayly in this case because Ierusalem could not be built vp in a day The Bishoppe of Winchester made knowne to the King that this insufficiency of the Cleargie bee it as it is comes not by the Bishops defaultes but partly by Lay Patrones who present very meane men to their Cures wherof in himselfe hee shewed an Instance how that since his being Bishop of Winchester very fewe Maisters of Artes were presented to good Benefices partly by the law of the land which admitteth of very meane and tollerable sufficiēcy in any Clearks so that if the Bishop should not admit them then presently a Quare impedit is sent out against him Here my Lord of London kneeling humbly desired his Maiestie because hee saw as hee saide it was a time of mouing Petitions that hee might haue leaue to make two or three First that there might be amongst vs a Praying Ministerie another while for whereas there are in the Ministerie many excellent duties to be performed as the absoluing of the Penitent Praying for and blessing of the people administring of the Sacraments and the like it is come to that passe now that some sort of men thought it the onely dutie required of a Minister to spend the time in speaking out of a Pulpit sometimes God wot very vndiscreetly and vnlearnedly and this with so great iniury and preiudice to the celebratiō of Diuine seruice that some Ministers would be content to walk in the Churchyeard till Sermon time rather then to be present at publke Prayer He confessed that in a Church new to be planted preaching was most necessarie but among vs now long established in the faith he thought it not the onely necessary dutie to bee performed and the other to be so profanely neglected and contemned VVhich motion his Maiestie liked exceeding well very acutely taxing the hypocrisie of our times which placeth all Religion in the eare through which there is an easy passage but Prayer which expresseth the heartes affection and is the true deuotion of the mindes as a matter putting vs to ouer-much trouble wherin there concurre if prayer be as it ought an vnpartiall consideration of our owne estates a due examination to whome we pray an humble cōfession of our sinnes with an harty sorrow for them and repentance not seuered from faith is accounted and vsed as the least part of Religion The second was that till such time as learned and sufficient men might bee planted in euery Congregation that godly Homilies might be read and the number of thē encreased and that the Opponents would labour to bring them into credite againe as formerly they brought them into contempt Euery man saith hee that can pronounce well cannot indite well The Kinges Maiestie approued this motion especially where the liuing is not sufficient for maintenance of a learned Preacher as also in places where plenty of Sermons are as in the Citie and great Townes In the Countrey villages where Preachers are not neare together hee could wish preaching but where there are a multitude of Sermons there he would haue Homilies to bee read diuerse times and therein hee asked the assent of the Plaintiffes and they confesse it A preaching Ministery

at his handes in giuing vs such a King as since Christ his time the like he thought hath not beene whereunto the Lords with one voice did yeeld a verie affectionate acclamation The Ciuilians present confessed that they could not in many houres warning haue so iudiciously plainely and accurately in such a briefe described it After this his Maiesty committed some weightie matters to be consulted of by the Lords and Bishops 1. for Excommunication in causes of lesse moment the name or censure to bee altered 2. for the High Commission the qualitie of the persons to be named and the nature of the causes to be handled therein 3. for recusant Communicants for there are 3. sortes saith his Maiestie of the Papistes some 1. which come to Sermons but not to seruice and prayer 2. some which come to both them but not to the Communion 3. a number which abstaine from all That inquirie might bee made of al those who were of the first second or third ranke concluding therein that the weake were to be informed the wilfull to bee punished Here my Lord Chancelor mentioned the writ de Excōmunicato capiendo which his Hon. saide did most affright the Papists of al other punishmēts because by reasō of that they were many wayes disabled in law therfore he would take order if his M tie so pleased to sēd that writ out against them freely without charge and if they were not executed his Lordship would lay the Undershiriffes in prison and to this the King assented The 4. thing to be consulted of was for the sending and appointing of Preachers into Ireland whereof saieth his Maiestie I am but halfe a King being Lord ouer their bodies but their soules seduced by Popery he much pittied affirming that where there is no true Religion there can be no continued obedience nor for Ireland onely but for some parts of Wales and the Northerne borders so once called though now no borders the men to bee sent not to be factious or scandalous for weeds will be weedes wheresoeuer they be and are good for nothing but to bee piked ouer the wall therefore they should single out men of sinceritie of knowledge of courage The last was for prouision of sufficient maintenance for the Clergy and withall for the planting of a learned and painfull minister in euery parish as time shall serue To euery of those his Maiestie willed that seuerall Cōmissioners of his Councell and bishops should be appointed by the Lords vpon the dissoluing the assembly present And thus hauing conferred of these points with his Bishops and referred othersome of them as you heard to speciall Committies his Maiestie willed that D. Reyn and his associates should bee called in to whom he presently signified what was done and caused the alterations or explications before named to bee read vnto them A little disputing there was about the wordes in mariage With my body I thee worship arguing no other thing to be ment by the word Worship then that which S. Paule willeth 1. Cor. 7. 4. the man thereby acknowledging that hereby he worshippeth his wife in that he appropriateth his body vnto her alone nor any more then that which S. Peter councelleth 1. Peter 3. 7. That the man should giue Honour to his Wife as to the weaker vessell yet for their satisfaction shold be put in With my body I thee worship honor if it were thoght fit so his M tie shut vp all with a most pithy exhortation to both sides for vnity perswading diligēce in each mans place without violence on the one party or disobedience on the other and willed them to deale with their friendes abroad to that purpose for his Maiestie feared and had some experience that many of them were ticklish and humorous nor that onely but labourers to peruert others to their fancies hee now saw that the exceptions against the Communion Booke were matters of weakenes therfore if the persons reluctant be discreet they will be wonne betimes by good perswasions if vndiscreete better they were remoued for many by their factious behauiour were driuen to be Papists Now then of their fruites he shall iudge them Obedience and Humilitie being markes of honest and good men Those he expected of them and by their example and perswasion of all their sorte abroade for if hereafter thinges being thus well ordered they should be vnquiet neither his Maiestie nor the state had any cause to thinke well of them To which they all gaue their vnanimous assent taking exception against nothing that was saide or done but promised to performe all dutie to the Bishoppes as their Reuerend fathers and to ioyne with them against the common aduersaries for the quiet of the Church Onely M. Chatterton of Emanuel Colledge kneeling requested that the wearing of the Surplis and the vse of the Crosse in Baptisme might not be vrged vpō some honest godly and painefull ministers in some partes of Lancashire who feared that if they should be forced vnto them many whome they had wonne to the Gospell would slide backe and reuolte vnto Popery againe and particularly instanced the Vicar of Ratesdale hee coulde not haue light vppon a worse for not many years before he was proued before my Lord Archbishop as his Grace there testified and my L. Chancelor by his vnseemely and vnreuerent vsage of the Eucharist dealing the bread out of a Basket euery man putting in his hand taking out a peece to haue made many loath the holy Communion and wholy refuse to come to Church his Maiesty aunswered that it was not his purpose and hee durst answere for the Bishops that it was not their intent presently and out of hād to inforce those things without fatherly admonitions conferences and perswasions premised but wished that it should be examined if those men by their paines and preaching had conuerted any from Popery and were withall men quiet of disposition honest of life and diligent in their calling if so letters should be written to the Bishoppe of Chester of whome his Maiestie gaue a very good testimony to that purpose if not but that they were of a turbulent and opposite spirite both they and others of that vnquiet humor should presently be enforced to a conformity and so for that point it was concluded that my Lord Archbishop should write to the Bishop of Chester his letters for that matter My Lord of London replyeth that if this were graunted the copy of these letters especially if his Maiestie had writtē as at first it was purposed would flye ouer al England and then other for their confines would make the same request and so no fruite should follow of this Conference but thinges would bee worse then they were before Therefore he humbly desired his Maiesty that a time shoulde bee limited vvithin vvhich compasse they should conforme themselues To vvhich his Maiestie readily assented willed that the Bishoppe of the Diocesse should set them dovvne the time and

againe in the same paragraph for those vvords Then they minister it it should be The Curate or lawfull Minister present shall doe it on this fashion Concluding very grauely that in this Conference he aimed at three thinges principally 1. The setting downe of wordes fit and conuenient 2. Contriuing howe thinges might be best done without apparance of alteration 3. Practise that each man may doe his dutie in his place After this his Maiestie fell into discourse about the High Commission wherin hee sayd that hee vnderstood howe the parties named therein were too many too meane that the matters they dealt in were base and such as Ordinaries at home in their Courts might censure that the braunches graunted out to the Bishops in their seuerall Diocesses were too frequent and large To which my Lords Grace aunswered seuerally 1. for the number it was requisite it should bee great for otherwise he must bee forced as oft times now it fell out to sit alone because that albeit all the Lordes of the Priuy Councell were in all the Bishoppes many of the Iudges at law some of the Clearkes of the Councell yet very few or none of thē sitting with him at ordinary times some of meaner place as Deanes and Doctors of Diuinity and Law must needes bee put in whose attendance his Grace might with more authoritie commaund and expect 2. For the matters handled therein he sayd that he often times had complained thereof but sawe that it could not bee remedied because that the fault may be of that nature as that the ordinary iurisdiction might censure it but eftsoones it fals out that the party delinquent is too great and so the Ordinary dare not proceed against him or so mightie in his state or so wilfull in his contumacy that hee will not obey the summons or censure and so the Ordinary is forced to craue helpe at the high Cōmission To the third his Grace saide that it concerned not him to make aunswere thereunto for such Commissions haue beene graunted against his will oftentimes and without his knowledge for the most part My Lord Chancelor therefore offered it to his Maiesties wisedome to consider if such Commissions should not be granted to any Bishop but such as haue the largest Diocesses which his Maiesty well approued added withall and those Bishops who haue in their Diocesses the most troublesome and refractary persons either Papistes or Puritanes but of this as also of the other things found fault with therein hee willed those to consult to whom should bee appointed the reuiew of the Commission And here that point had ended but that one of the Lordes I thinke verily rather vppon misinformation then set purpose pleased to say that the proceeding thereby was like vnto the Spanish Inquisition wherein mē were vrged to subscribe more then law required that by the oath ex officio they were inforced to accuse themselues that they were examined vppon 20. or 24. Articles vpon the sodaine without deliberation and for the most part against themselues for the euidence thereof a letter was shewed of an ancient Honourable Councelor written to the Lord Archbishop Anno 1584. of two ministers in Cambridgeshire then or there aboutes examined vpon many Articles and in the end depriued The Lord Archbishop aunswered 1. to the matter that in the manner of proceeding and examining his Lordship was deceiued for if any Article did touch the party any way either for life liberty or scandall he might refuse to aunswere neither was hee vrged thereunto 2. to the letter being in a cause twenty yeares since determined he could not aunswere the particulars but if his aunswere to that letter were found out he doubted not but as it did satisfie that Honourable Councelour when hee liued so it would also sufficiently cleare this complaint before his Maiestie My Lord of London for the matter of Subscription shewed his Highnes the 3. Articles which the Church-men of England are to approue by subscribing namely the Kinges Supremacy the Articles of Religion and the Booke of Common Prayer Al which it pleased his Maiestie himself to read and after a little glaunce giuen that the mention of the Oath ex officio came in before his due time he dilated 1. how necessary Subscription was in euery well gouerned Church that it was to bee vrged for the keeping of Peace for as laws to preuent killing did prouide there should bee no quareling so to preuent greater tumults in the Church Subscription was requisite 2. because the Bishop is to aunswere for euery minister whome he admitteth into his Diocesse it were fittest for him to know the affection of the party before his admittance the best way to know him and to preuēt future factions was to vrge his Subscription at his first entrance for Turpius eiicitur quā non admittitur hospes 3 as Subscription was a good meanes to discerne the affection of persons vvhether quiet or turbulent withal it was the principall way to auoid confusion concluding that if any after things were well ordered would not be quiet and shew his obedience the Church were better without him hee were worthy to be hanged Praestat vt pereat vnus quam vnitas Touching the Oath Ex officio the L. Chancelor and after him the L. Treasurer spake both for the necessity and vse therof in diuerse Courtes and cases But his excellent Maiestie preuenting that olde allegation Nemo cogitur detegere suā turpitudinem saide that the Ciuil proceedings onely punished factes but in Courts Ecclesiasticall it vvas requisite that Fame Scandales should be looked vnto That here was necessary the Oath Compurgatorie the Oath ex officio too yet great moderation should be vsed 1. in grauioribus criminibus and 2. in such whereof there is a publike fame 3. in distinguishing of publike Fame either caused by the inordinate demeanor of the offendor or raised by the vndiscreet proceeding in triall of the fact as namely in Scotland where the lying with a wench though done priuately and knowne or scarse suspected by two or three persons before was made openly knowne to the King to the Queene to the Prince to many hundreds in the Court by bringing the parties to the stoole of Repentance and yet perhaps be but a suspition onely And here his Maiestie so soundly described the Oath ex officio First for the ground thereof Secondly the Wisedome of the Lawe therein Thirdly the manner of proceeding thereby and the necessary and profitable effect thereof in such a compendious but absolute order that all the Lords and the rest of the present Auditors stood amazed at it the Archbishop of Canterbury said that vndoubtedly his Maiestie spake by the speciall assistance of Gods spirite The Bishop of London vpon his knee protested that his heart melted within him and so he doubted not did the heartes of the whole Company with ioy and made hast to acknowledge vnto almighty God the singular mercy wee haue receiued