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the_o church_n against_o heretic_n they_o shall_v be_v deprive_v of_o their_o honour_n have_v therefore_o force_v to_o bind_v because_o the_o emperor_n give_v his_o consent_n thereunto_o and_o that_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n if_o this_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n have_v therefore_o force_v to_o bind_v for_o that_o temporal_a prince_n consent_v thereunto_o 42_o and_o by_o this_o it_o be_v clear_a that_o my_o meaning_n be_v not_o only_o to_o affirm_v that_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v make_v by_o the_o consent_n of_o absolute_a prince_n only_o in_o that_o manner_n as_o absolute_a prince_n do_v give_v their_o consent_n to_o the_o make_n of_o ecclesiastical_a law_n and_o canon_n which_o do_v mere_o proceed_v from_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a authority_n but_o also_o that_o it_o be_v 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appear_v say_v abulensis_n num._n 17._o where_o god_n say_v that_o eleezar_n who_o be_v the_o high_a priest_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o israelite_n be_v subject_a to_o josue_n who_o be_v a_o secular_a prince_n to_o wit_n of_o the_o tribe_n of_o ephraim_n yea_o and_o in_o the_o time_n of_o moses_n aaron_n who_o be_v the_o high_a priest_n be_v in_o temporall_n subject_a to_o moses_n and_o for_o that_o cause_n call_v he_o his_o lord_n exod._n 32._o although_o in_o spirituall_n aaron_n be_v great_a than_o moses_n levit._n q._n 10._o in_o 9_o levit._n moses_n say_v abulensis_n expound_v those_o word_n of_o levit._n 9_o and_o aaron_n stretch_v forth_o his_o hand_n to_o the_o people_n he_o bless_v they_o be_v in_o temporall_n great_a than_o aaron_n because_o he_o judge_v the_o whole_a people_n as_o it_o be_v contain_v exod._n 18._o chap._n and_o he_o command_v the_o people_n those_o thing_n which_o they_o ought_v to_o do_v but_o in_o spirituall_n aaron_n be_v simple_o great_a than_o moses_n for_o aaron_n be_v the_o high_a priest_n but_o moses_n one_o of_o the_o simple_a levite_n also_o because_o aaron_n have_v direct_o a_o right_a to_o minister_v but_o moses_n have_v only_o this_o for_o want_v of_o priest_n but_o this_o he_o have_v not_o by_o any_o order_n or_o ordination_n and_o if_o thou_o say_v that_o moses_n be_v great_a than_o aaron_n because_o he_o command_v he_o to_o do_v these_o sacrifice_n and_o whatsoever_o he_o do_v i_o answer_v say_v abulensis_n that_o it_o be_v not_o infer_v from_o this_o because_o moses_n do_v not_o therefore_o command_v these_o thing_n as_o have_v authority_n to_o command_v by_o some_o prelacy_n or_o order_n but_o because_o he_o be_v the_o messenger_n of_o god_n relate_v those_o thing_n which_o god_n have_v command_v whereupon_o it_o be_v not_o proper_o say_v that_o moses_n do_v command_v but_o that_o he_o do_v declare_v the_o thing_n to_o be_v do_v 24_o but_o if_o thou_o yet_o object_n that_o moses_n be_v great_a than_o aaron_n because_o moses_n do_v consecrate_v aaron_n it_o be_v answer_v say_v abulensis_n that_o it_o be_v not_o deduce_v from_o this_o for_o therefore_o moses_n do_v consecrate_v aaron_n because_o there_o be_v no_o high_a priest_n that_o can_v consecrate_v he_o nor_o also_o then_o any_o inferior_a priest_n for_o that_o as_o well_o the_o high_a priest_n as_o the_o inferior_a priest_n be_v consecrate_v and_o yet_o nevertheless_o this_o consequence_n be_v not_o of_o force_n this_o man_n do_v consecrate_v that_o man_n therefore_o he_o be_v great_a than_o he_o for_o the_o pope_n be_v consecrate_v by_o a_o cardinal_n bishop_n of_o hostia_fw-la who_o be_v inferior_a to_o the_o pope_n and_o after_o his_o consecration_n the_o pope_n do_v command_v he_o that_o consecrate_v he_o so_o also_o it_o happen_v among_o the_o high_a priest_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n for_o except_v the_o consecration_n of_o aaron_n which_o be_v do_v by_o moses_n who_o be_v no_o priest_n to_o wit_n by_o ordination_n but_o only_o by_o the_o special_a privilege_n of_o god_n as_o the_o same_o abulensis_n declare_v q._n 7._o in_o cap._n 17._o exodi_fw-la and_o except_o the_o consecration_n of_o eleazar_n which_o be_v do_v without_o any_o ceremony_n as_o we_o show_v at_o large_a exod._n 19_o all_o the_o late_a consecration_n of_o the_o high_a priest_n be_v do_v by_o inferior_a priest_n therefore_o moses_n be_v not_o great_a for_o that_o he_o consecrate_v aaron_n but_z aaron_z be_v great_a and_o because_o as_o the_o apostle_n write_v hebr._n cap._n 7._o always_o the_o lesser_a be_v bless_v by_o the_o great_a it_o be_v fit_a that_o the_o blessing_n over_o the_o people_n shall_v be_v do_v by_o aaron_n thus_o abulensis_n see_v he_o also_o q._n 2._o in_o cap._n 2._o num._n 25_o now_o mr._n fitzherberts_n next_o argument_n be_v as_o insufficient_a as_o the_o former_a i_o add_v further_o
fifty_o man_n do_v oppose_v against_o he_o and_o also_o the_o three_o prince_n of_o the_o tribe_n of_o reuben_n to_o wit_n dathan_n abiron_n and_o hon_n for_o the_o high_a priesthood_n say_v that_o he_o give_v it_o unjust_o to_o aaron_n to_o wit_n in_o give_v all_o thing_n to_o his_o kindred_n and_o he_o purge_v himself_o say_v in_o this_o you_o shall_v know_v that_o our_o lord_n have_v send_v i_o to_o do_v all_o thing_n that_o you_o see_v 16._o num._n 16._o and_o that_o i_o have_v not_o forge_v they_o of_o my_o own_o mind_n if_o they_o shall_v die_v the_o accustom_a death_n of_o man_n our_o lord_n have_v not_o send_v i_o also_o before_o in_o the_o same_o chapter_n core_n say_v to_o moses_n and_o aaron_n let_v it_o suffice_v you_o that_o all_o the_o multitude_n consist_v of_o holy_a one_o and_o our_o lord_n be_v among_o they_o why_o lift_v you_o up_o yourselves_o above_o the_o people_n of_o our_o lord_n but_o if_o moses_n have_v be_v a_o lord_n or_o a_o king_n no_o man_n can_v have_v say_v this_o unto_o he_o for_o that_o he_o who_o be_v a_o lord_n may_v have_v lift_v himself_o up_o yea_o there_o be_v no_o great_a lift_n up_o then_o to_o be_v a_o lord_n thus_o abulensis_n 40_o and_o although_o moses_n alone_o do_v judge_v the_o people_n without_o the_o help_n of_o any_o other_o judge_n who_o be_v subordain_v to_o he_o until_o jethro_n father_n in_o law_n to_o moses_n come_v unto_o he_o into_o the_o desert_n of_o sin_n near_o to_o the_o mount_n sinai_n which_o happen_v either_o in_o the_o end_n of_o the_o first_o year_n or_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o second_o since_o their_o departure_n out_o of_o egypt_n after_o that_o the_o law_n be_v give_v to_o moses_n in_o the_o mount_n sinai_n yet_o afterward_o by_o the_o advice_n of_o jethro_n who_o perceive_v that_o moses_n can_v not_o long_o sustain_v so_o great_a a_o burden_n as_o to_o judge_v himself_o alone_o the_o whole_a people_n of_o israel_n sit_v in_o judgement_n from_o morning_n until_o night_n he_o be_v persuade_v to_o impart_v the_o burden_n thereof_o to_o other_o and_o so_o choose_v substantial_a man_n out_o of_o all_o israel_n he_o appoint_v they_o prince_n of_o the_o people_n tribune_n and_o centurians_fw-la and_o quinquagenarians_n and_o dean_n who_o judge_v the_o people_n at_o all_o time_n and_o whatsoever_o be_v of_o great_a difficulty_n they_o refer_v to_o moses_n they_o themselves_o judge_v only_o the_o easy_a cause_n 41_o but_o because_o these_o judge_n who_o be_v all_o subordinate_a to_o moses_n judge_v only_o of_o small_a cause_n and_o all_o matter_n of_o difficulty_n be_v refer_v to_o moses_n he_o be_v nevertheless_o overmuch_o trouble_v and_o therefore_o not_o long_o after_o at_o the_o sepulchre_n of_o concupiscence_n 11._o num._n 11._o almighty_a god_n at_o the_o request_n of_o moses_n appoint_v seventie_o man_n of_o the_o ancient_n of_o israel_n who_o moses_n have_v choose_v to_o assist_v he_o to_o who_o he_o give_v also_o the_o spirit_n of_o prophecy_n and_o to_o they_o be_v commit_v those_o thing_n which_o do_v peculiar_o belong_v to_o moses_n to_o wit_n that_o they_o shall_v judge_v of_o great_a matter_n as_o moses_n do_v for_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o the_o 70._o judge_n appoint_v by_o the_o advice_n of_o jethro_n who_o judge_v the_o small_a matter_n do_v still_o remain_v and_o also_o that_o they_o shall_v consult_v our_o lord_n and_o give_v answer_n concern_v the_o question_n of_o the_o law_n as_o moses_n do_v nu_fw-la do_v abul_n q._n 24._o in_o c._n 11._o nu_fw-la and_o so_o that_o jurisdiction_n which_o before_o by_o the_o advice_n of_o jethro_n do_v only_o belong_v to_o moses_n be_v now_o by_o the_o commandment_n of_o god_n give_v to_o seventie_o ancient_n or_o elder_n who_o also_o be_v not_o priest_n or_o levite_n but_o layman_n choose_v out_o of_o the_o ancient_n of_o israel_n 61._o israel_n abul_n q._n 61._o and_o yet_o they_o have_v jurisdiction_n both_o in_o spiritual_a and_o temporal_a cause_n 24._o cause_n abul_n q._n 24._o and_o after_o these_o seventie_o man_n be_v appoint_v to_o help_v moses_n he_o never_o complain_v in_o all_o the_o forty_o year_n that_o the_o israelite_n be_v in_o the_o wilderness_n that_o he_o be_v burden_v with_o the_o multitude_n of_o so_o many_o cause_n of_o the_o people_n 27._o people_n abul_n q._n 23._o num._n 27._o 42_o now_o to_o succeed_v moses_n and_o to_o be_v the_o captain_n and_o prince_n of_o all_o the_o people_n god_n appoint_v josue_n the_o son_n of_o nun_n moses_n yet_o live_v and_o he_o be_v true_o a_o prince_n of_o the_o people_n for_o at_o his_o commandment_n not_o only_o the_o people_n but_o also_o eleazar_n the_o high_a priest_n be_v move_v yet_o he_o be_v not_o a_o king_n but_o a_o prince_n or_o captain_n neither_o also_o have_v he_o authority_n to_o judge_v say_v abulensis_n but_o judge_n be_v appoint_v otherwise_o neither_o be_v this_o against_o that_o which_o god_n command_v numer_n 27._o judic._n abulensis_n q._n 19_o in_o cap._n 8._o judic._n that_o as_o 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for_o their_o judge_n and_o then_o god_n be_v say_v to_o have_v raise_v to_o they_o saviour_n so_o it_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o hothoniel_n and_o aod_a judic._n 3._o other_o judge_n be_v make_v only_o by_o the_o will_n of_o the_o people_n to_o wit_n because_o when_o they_o be_v in_o distress_n they_o inquire_v who_o be_v a_o fit_a man_n among_o they_o to_o be_v captain_n in_o their_o war_n and_o sometime_o they_o take_v not_o those_o that_o be_v virtuous_a but_o only_o who_o be_v exercise_v in_o war_n so_o jephte_n be_v choose_v judic._n 11._o who_o be_v a_o prince_n of_o thief_n who_o the_o israelite_n because_o they_o see_v he_o fit_a for_o war_n desire_v to_o be_v their_o captain_n and_o judge_n and_o sometime_o the_o judge_n be_v make_v only_o by_o favour_n and_o as_o it_o be_v by_o violence_n of_o the_o people_n as_o be_v abimelech_n the_o son_n of_o gedeon_n judic._n 9_o to_o who_o also_o by_o the_o sedition_n of_o the_o sichimite_n be_v give_v the_o title_n of_o a_o king_n and_o when_o it_o be_v object_v that_o god_n raise_v a_o saviour_n i_o answer_n say_v abulensis_n that_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v that_o god_n command_v any_o one_o to_o be_v judge_n by_o create_v he_o and_o give_v he_o a_o certain_a manner_n of_o authority_n but_o that_o god_n do_v incite_v the_o israelite_n by_o some_o one_o of_o the_o way_n aforesaid_a to_o make_v some_o their_o judge_n and_o yet_o afterward_o it_o depend_v upon_o the_o will_n of_o the_o people_n to_o receive_v they_o or_o reject_v they_o and_o to_o give_v they_o so_o much_o authority_n as_o they_o please_v 55_o second_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o judge_n be_v not_o derive_v by_o succession_n to_o their_o posterity_n but_o it_o remain_v in_o the_o power_n of_o the_o people_n one_o judge_n be_v dead_a to_o choose_v another_o or_o to_o choose_v none_o at_o all_o but_o to_o the_o greatness_n of_o authority_n it_o appertain_v to_o have_v power_n to_o derive_v it_o to_o their_o posterity_n as_o 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law_n and_o odious_a matter_n such_o general_a word_n as_o denote_v some_o inferior_a dignity_n order_n title_n office_n or_o function_n as_o a_o temporal_a or_o principal_a lord_n governor_n judge_n or_o landlord_n a_o monk_n a_o clerk_n and_o a_o priest_n be_v obscure_a and_o be_v not_o understand_v to_o comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n abbot_n or_o bishop_n 27_o second_o this_o rule_n of_o restriction_n say_v he_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v quantum_fw-la ad_fw-la vim_o verborum_fw-la of_o the_o force_n of_o the_o word_n and_o therefore_o the_o lawyer_n also_o teach_v that_o penalty_n be_v to_o be_v extend_v as_o far_o as_o the_o propriety_n of_o the_o word_n do_v permit_v and_o the_o lawyer_n also_o teach_v we_o that_o in_o penal_a law_n and_o odious_a matter_n such_o general_a word_n as_o denote_v some_o inferior_a title_n dignity_n office_n order_n or_o function_n be_v not_o to_o be_v extend_v as_o far_o as_o the_o priorietie_n of_o the_o word_n do_v permit_v and_o that_o 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governor_n or_o landlord_n for_o that_o a_o monk_n be_v not_o the_o proper_a name_n of_o a_o abbot_n nor_o a_o priest_n the_o proper_a name_n of_o a_o bishop_n nor_o a_o temporal_a lord_n the_o proper_a name_n of_o a_o king_n but_o they_o be_v name_n which_o be_v common_a also_o to_o inferior_a monk_n inferior_a priest_n and_o inferior_a lord_n 28_o three_o the_o rule_n say_v he_o fail_v when_o the_o reason_n be_v express_v as_o it_o be_v in_o this_o canon_n but_o mr._n fitzherbert_n shall_v have_v declare_v what_o reason_n express_v in_o the_o law_n be_v require_v to_o have_v the_o aforesaid_a rule_n to_o fail_v for_o in_o this_o canon_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n there_o be_v no_o reason_n express_v why_o dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la a_o temporal_a land_n lord_n governor_n or_o lord_n must_v comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n for_o the_o end_n and_o reason_n of_o
make_v this_o canon_n be_v to_o put_v in_o execution_n the_o holy_a law_n before_o enact_v by_o christian_a prince_n for_o the_o root_n out_o of_o heretic_n which_o law_n be_v not_o put_v in_o practice_n by_o the_o negligence_n of_o inferior_a governor_n magistrate_n and_o officer_n to_o who_o charge_n the_o execution_n of_o justice_n be_v immediate_o commit_v for_o which_o reason_n it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o comprehend_v in_o that_o canon_n only_o inferior_a lord_n governor_n magistrate_n and_o landlord_n who_o be_v negligent_a to_o put_v in_o execution_n the_o godly_a law_n before_o enact_v by_o pious_a emperor_n and_o king_n for_o the_o repress_v of_o heretic_n but_o of_o this_o reason_n more_o beneath_o 29_o last_o the_o rule_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n hold_v not_o say_v the_o lawyer_n when_o there_o be_v question_n of_o the_o public_a good_a or_o the_o favour_n of_o the_o church_n or_o of_o the_o faith_n or_o of_o soul_n for_o in_o thesâ—â—ases_n penalty_n be_v to_o be_v 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needs_o have_v it_o to_o bind_v all_o christian_a kingdom_n or_o else_o that_o it_o have_v force_v only_o to_o bind_v in_o the_o pope_n dominion_n wherein_o he_o have_v the_o place_n both_o of_o a_o spiritual_a pastor_n and_o also_o of_o a_o temporal_a prince_n 32_o and_o whereas_o widdrington_n give_v a_o instance_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 8._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 153._o num_fw-la 8._o without_o any_o quotation_n of_o law_n or_o author_n that_o bishop_n and_o abbot_n be_v not_o include_v in_o penal_a law_n except_o they_o be_v mention_v it_o be_v true_a in_o bishop_n in_o the_o case_n only_o of_o suspension_n or_o interdict_v from_o the_o which_o they_o be_v by_o a_o express_a canon_n exempt_v except_o they_o be_v name_v as_o it_o appear_v in_o the_o decretal_n lib._n suspensionis_fw-la tit._n 11._o cap._n 4._o §._o quia_fw-la periculosum_fw-la glossa_fw-la ibidem_fw-la in_o verbum_fw-la suspensionis_fw-la 5._o de_fw-la sententia_fw-la excommunicationis_fw-la where_o also_o the_o 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probability_n in_o this_o point_n then_o in_o the_o former_a 33_o but_o first_o i_o never_o say_v as_o mr._n fitzherbert_n to_o make_v some_o colour_n of_o a_o probable_a answer_n false_o lay_v to_o my_o charge_n that_o bishop_n or_o abbot_n be_v not_o include_v in_o penal_a law_n except_o they_o be_v mention_v for_o i_o make_v no_o doubt_n but_o that_o they_o be_v include_v in_o penal_a law_n under_o such_o general_a word_n which_o denote_v no_o particular_a dignity_n order_n degree_n or_o function_n of_o christian_a man_n and_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v include_v in_o the_o canon_n si_fw-mi quis_fw-la suadente_fw-la diabolo_fw-it and_o in_o the_o canon_n omnis_fw-la utriusque_fw-la sexus_fw-la but_o that_o which_o i_o say_v be_v that_o in_o penal_a law_n and_o odious_a matter_n bishop_n be_v not_o include_v in_o the_o general_a name_n of_o priest_n nor_o abbot_n in_o the_o general_a name_n of_o monk_n and_o for_o the_o proof_n thereof_o i_o bring_v neither_o canon_n nor_o 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fitzherbert_n pag._n 182._o nu_fw-la 10._o 11._o it_o be_v to_o be_v consider_v that_o the_o error_n which_o may_v be_v incident_a to_o a_o definition_n or_o decree_n concern_v matter_n of_o fact_n can_v fall_v upon_o the_o decree_n or_o definition_n itself_o for_o so_o shall_v the_o error_n redound_v to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n who_o assistance_n our_o saviour_n have_v promise_v to_o the_o definition_n of_o counsel_n and_o pope_n as_o widdrington_n himself_o 1._o himself_o see_v before_o u._fw-mi 1._o grant_v but_o it_o must_v fall_v upon_o the_o execution_n of_o the_o decree_n as_o if_o some_o prince_n shall_v be_v depose_v upon_o wrong_a information_n or_o without_o due_a circumstance_n require_v in_o the_o decree_n but_o the_o question_n be_v not_o here_o of_o error_n in_o matter_n of_o fact_n of_o this_o kind_n i_o mean_v in_o the_o execution_n of_o decree_n and_o therefore_o if_o widdrington_n speak_v of_o such_o fact_n when_o he_o say_v that_o christ_n have_v not_o promise_v the_o assistance_n of_o his_o spirit_n to_o fact_n but_o to_o definition_n he_o change_v the_o question_n and_o fight_v with_o his_o own_o shadow_n affirm_v that_o which_o we_o deny_v not_o who_o speak_v only_o of_o the_o verity_n justice_n and_o equity_n of_o the_o decree_n itself_o from_o the_o which_o we_o exclude_v all_o error_n and_o injustice_n acknowledge_v the_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n in_o the_o make_n thereof_o in_o which_o respect_n all_o catholic_a doctor_n that_o have_v ever_o write_v have_v uniform_o teach_v hitherto_o that_o the_o church_n be_v guide_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n can_v err_v in_o her_o general_n decree_v make_v for_o the_o whole_a church_n touch_v either_o faith_n or_o manner_n as_o i_o will_v declare_v 12._o declare_v see_v cha._n 16._o nu_fw-la 11._o 12._o further_o hereafter_o whereupon_o i_o conclude_v that_o widdrington_n admit_v as_o he_o do_v the_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n in_o the_o definition_n of_o counsel_n and_o pope_n 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in_o the_o solemn_a vow_n of_o chastity_n and_o to_o give_v leave_n to_o a_o inferior_a priest_n who_o be_v no_o bishop_n to_o minister_v the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n 12_o thus_o i_o argue_v in_o my_o apologetical_a preface_n and_o then_o i_o conclude_v thus_o let_v my_o adversary_n solve_v these_o difficulty_n and_o i_o will_v forthwith_o by_o their_o own_o solution_n untie_v the_o aforesaid_a knot_n which_o they_o imagine_v can_v in_o any_o wise_a be_v solue_v or_o loose_v whereby_o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o i_o do_v not_o oppose_v or_o apply_v any_o one_o of_o these_o three_o instance_n either_o to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n or_o to_o any_o other_o canon_n of_o pope_n or_o council_n which_o be_v usual_o bring_v by_o my_o adversary_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n but_o as_o fa._n lessius_fw-la do_v not_o apply_v in_o particular_a those_o his_o three_o argument_n 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widdrington_n have_v hitherto_o show_v great_a weakness_n in_o himself_o and_o his_o cause_n by_o his_o answer_n to_o our_o argument_n 52._o widdr._fw-la ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 52._o pretend_v to_o confute_v a_o reply_n which_o he_o suppose_v we_o will_v make_v to_o his_o last_o answer_n divide_v the_o say_a reply_n into_o three_o point_n whereof_o the_o first_o be_v that_o the_o foundation_n and_o ground_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n and_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n do_v belong_v to_o faith_n whereupon_o widdrington_n say_v we_o infer_v that_o see_v the_o father_n in_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n ground_v their_o decree_n upon_o this_o doctrine_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v prince_n therefore_o the_o say_a doctrine_n must_v needs_o be_v certain_a and_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n 53._o ibid._n nu_fw-la 53._o 14_o the_o second_o point_n be_v that_o see_v no_o catholic_a man_n will_v doubt_v but_o that_o all_o christian_n be_v bind_v to_o believe_v as_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v prince_n if_o a_o general_a council_n shall_v express_o define_v it_o therefore_o we_o say_v that_o forasmuch_o as_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n do_v suppose_v the_o same_o as_o a_o sure_a foundation_n of_o their_o foresay_a canon_n and_o decree_n all_o christian_n be_v no_o less_o bind_v to_o believe_v it_o then_o if_o they_o have_v express_o determine_v or_o define_v it_o 54._o ibid._n nu_fw-la 54._o 15_o the_o three_o point_n be_v that_o it_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v in_o general_a precept_n or_o decree_n concern_v manner_n it_o follow_v that_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n have_v ordain_v the_o deposition_n of_o prince_n neither_o have_v err_v nor_o can_v err_v in_o it_o especial_o see_v that_o the_o error_n will_v be_v most_o grievous_a and_o pernicious_a to_o all_o christian_n for_o thereupon_o will_v follow_v tumult_n sedition_n and_o war_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o revolt_n and_o rebellion_n of_o subject_n against_o their_o prince_n and_o the_o breach_n of_o their_o oath_n of_o fidelity_n which_o be_v no_o less_o than_o perjury_n if_o the_o pope_n have_v not_o authority_n to_o discharge_v subject_n of_o their_o allegiance_n and_o fidelity_n to_o their_o prince_n thus_o in_o effect_n though_o somewhat_o more_o ample_o do_v widdrington_n argue_v for_o us._n 16_o but_o first_o whether_o i_o or_o my_o adversary_n have_v show_v great_a weakness_n in_o ourselves_o and_o in_o our_o cause_n neither_o he_o nor_o i_o but_o the_o judicious_a reader_n must_v be_v the_o judge_n for_o with_o the_o same_o facility_n i_o may_v retort_v his_o own_o word_n back_o upon_o himself_o second_o i_o do_v not_o only_o suppose_v that_o they_o will_v make_v those_o three_o argument_n but_o i_o relate_v they_o word_n by_o word_n as_o i_o find_v they_o in_o fa._n lessius_fw-la which_o nevertheless_o mr._n fitzherbert_n have_v very_o lame_o recite_v 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