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A74671 The bar, against free admission to the Lords Supper, fixed. Or, An answer to Mr. Humphrey his Rejoynder, or, reply. By Roger Drake minister of Peters Cheap, London. R. D. (Roger Drake), 1608-1669. 1656 (1656) Wing D2128; Thomason E1593_1; ESTC R208860 271,720 506

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be_v find_v so_o ignorant_a as_o that_o i_o can_v neither_o examine_v myself_o nor_o discern_v the_o lord_n body_n may_v they_o not_o suspend_v i_o till_o i_o have_v gain_v more_o knowledge_n 6_o by_o grant_v that_o a_o general_a faith_n and_o acknowledgement_n of_o the_o gospel_n or_o covenant_n of_o jesus_n christ_n as_o the_o only_a mean_n to_o be_v save_v by_o be_v prerequifite_n to_o adult_v church-membership_a and_o so_o to_o the_o sacrament_n pag._n 198._o and_o that_o the_o conversion_n of_o assent_n to_o believe_v in_o god_n and_o jesus_n christ_n in_o opposition_n to_o all_o other_o religion_n be_v necessary_o prerequisite_a to_o adult_v church-membership_a and_o both_o the_o sacrament_n pag._n 209._o do_v it_o not_o hence_o follow_v 1_o that_o gross_o ignorant_a person_n who_o know_v neither_o christ_n the_o gospel_n nor_o covenant_n must_v not_o be_v admit_v 2_o that_o such_o person_n be_v scarce_o so_o much_o as_o church-member_n and_o 3_o do_v it_o not_o follow_v from_o 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second_o beside_o the_o former_a we_o suspend_v none_o but_o such_o who_o upon_o trial_n be_v find_v unworthy_a mr._n humphr_n but_o i_o pray_v have_v you_o any_o thing_n at_o first_o to_o allege_v against_o they_o if_o you_o have_v not_o how_o will_v you_o bring_v they_o to_o trial_n ans_fw-fr 1._o from_o scripture_n evidence_n and_o experience_n that_o many_o church-member_n be_v unworthy_a 2._o from_o the_o scripture_n warrant_v a_o universal_a trial_n upon_o less_o ground_n of_o suspicion_n than_o we_o have_v and_o punish_v the_o neglect_n thereof_o witness_v achans_n case_n josh_n 7._o 3._o from_o the_o fruit_n of_o this_o trial_n which_o be_v right_o manage_v will_v prejudice_v none_o but_o edify_v all_o by_o put_v they_o upon_o the_o exercise_n of_o or_o seek_v after_o knowledge_n and_o grace_n mr._n humphr_n if_o they_o come_v willing_o and_o you_o find_v they_o unfit_a than_o you_o go_v about_o to_o punish_v again_o they_o for_o a_o future_a sin_n ans_fw-fr 1._o if_o the_o 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this_o nature_n be_v but_o god_n ape_n how_o do_v jordan_n cure_v the_o leper_n 2_o king_n 5._o 14._o how_o do_v peter_n shadow_n cure_v the_o sick_a act_n 5._o 15._o how_o do_v paul_n handkerchief_n both_o cure_n disease_n and_o cast_v out_o devil_n act_n 19_o 12._o all_o these_o be_v but_o sign_n and_o seal_n of_o god_n miraculous_a presence_n and_o why_o may_v not_o god_n when_o he_o please_v concur_v supernatural_o with_o baptism_n in_o order_n to_o regeneration_n as_o he_o concur_v with_o jordan_n a_o shadow_n or_o handkerchief_n in_o order_n to_o cure_v or_o dis-possession_n i_o believe_v divine_a concourse_n be_v much_o after_o this_o nature_n in_o every_o ordinance_n when_o saving_o effectual_a and_o baptism_n apply_v to_o a_o infant_n or_o to_o a_o man_n be_v but_o as_o paul_n handkerchief_n be_v to_o a_o infant_n or_o to_o a_o man_n the_o man_n may_v understand_v this_o handkerchief_n come_v from_o paul_n body_n and_o will_v be_v effectual_a to_o heal_v he_o this_o the_o infant_n can_v not_o understand_v yet_o the_o effect_n of_o heal_v follow_v alike_o in_o both_o nor_o be_v the_o handkerchief_n more_o powerful_a to_o heal_v the_o man_n because_o he_o be_v intelligent_a but_o possible_o his_o intelligence_n may_v prove_v a_o bar_n he_o be_v thereby_o capable_a of_o a_o act_n of_o unbelief_n which_o may_v hinder_v the_o cure_n matth._n 13._o 58._o and_o 17._o 19_o 20._o mark_v 6._o 6._o and_o 9_o 23_o 24._o act_n 14._o 9_o which_o actual_a unbelief_n infant_n be_v not_o capable_a of_o thus_o the_o word_n preach_v have_v a_o natural_a aptitude_n to_o illuminate_v the_o mind_n with_o common_a knowledge_n of_o christ_n but_o never_o of_o itself_o can_v work_v a_o save_a understanding_n or_o regeneration_n this_o be_v whole_o in_o god_n power_n we_o must_v therefore_o extend_v the_o notion_n of_o a_o moral_a instrument_n further_o than_o m._n h._n do_v that_o be_v true_o a_o moral_a instrument_n not_o only_o which_o work_v by_o way_n of_o signification_n to_o my_o understanding_n but_o that_o also_o upon_o which_o be_v use_v a_o effect_n of_o another_o kind_n follow_v by_o way_n of_o compact_n or_o otherwise_o whether_o i_o understand_v it_o or_o not_o thus_o a_o witch_n be_v the_o moral_a cause_n of_o a_o child_n death_n but_o the_o devil_n be_v the_o physical_a cause_n thereof_o he_o apply_v his_o natural_a power_n by_o god_n permission_n upon_o the_o witch_n use_v of_o his_o ceremony_n for_o that_o purpose_n to_o kill_v the_o child_n and_o thus_o the_o minister_n and_o ordinance_n be_v the_o moral_a instrument_n of_o conversion_n but_o god_n be_v the_o physical_a or_o rather_o hyperphysical_a cause_n thereof_o nor_o do_v we_o by_o this_o doctrine_n deviate_v to_o the_o popish_a opus_fw-la operatum_fw-la but_o honour_n god_n liberty_n sovereignty_n and_o grace_n who_o when_o he_o please_v concur_v with_o his_o ordinance_n supernatural_o in_o order_n to_o conversion_n and_o regeneration_n wrought_v then_o infallible_o and_o not_o otherwise_o and_o certain_o if_o baptism_n be_v a_o convert_v ordinance_n why_o may_v not_o infant_n thus_o be_v convert_v by_o it_o as_o well_o as_o elder_a person_n especial_o when_o at_o the_o hour_n of_o baptism_n faith_n and_o devotion_n be_v upon_o the_o wing_n in_o the_o parent_n friend_n god_n people_n and_o the_o minister_n assemble_v to_o wrestle_v with_o god_n that_o he_o will_v please_v to_o wash_v the_o child_n in_o the_o laver_n of_o regeneration_n etc._n etc._n whence_o public_a baptism_n be_v more_o eligible_a than_o private_a baptism_n and_o thus_o upon_o the_o supposition_n it_o may_v also_o be_v effectual_a to_o the_o intelligent_a person_n baptize_v yet_o not_o simple_o because_o he_o be_v intelligent_a but_o because_o of_o god_n supernatural_a concourse_n in_o he_o as_o well_o as_o in_o the_o infant_n the_o work_n of_o conversion_n be_v supernatural_a in_o every_o subject_n 2._o whereas_o m._n h._n say_v ib._n john_n first_o baptize_v the_o people_n and_o then_o exhort_v they_o to_o repentance_n if_o his_o meaning_n be_v exclusive_a that_o john_n do_v not_o exhort_v to_o repentance_n before_o but_o only_o after_o baptism_n i_o believe_v he_o will_v find_v little_a favour_n from_o the_o text_n for_o such_o a_o opinion_n it_o be_v evident_a mat._n 3._o 11._o that_o john_n lead_v they_o from_o his_o baptism_n to_o christ_n for_o the_o baptism_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o a_o future_a thing_n withal_o that_o he_o preach_v to_o they_o before_o he_o baptize_v to_o i_o seem_v more_o than_o probable_a by_o compare_v vers_n 2_o 5_o 6_o 7._o of_o mat._n 3._o beside_o suppose_v the_o exhortation_n be_v after_o baptism_n and_o that_o some_o be_v convert_v upon_o the_o place_n the_o great_a question_n will_v be_v which_o show_v the_o weakness_n of_o m._n h._n his_o inference_n whether_o they_o be_v convert_v by_o john_n baptism_n or_o by_o his_o follow_a exhortation_n for_o his_o instance_n in_o the_o convert_v act_v 2._o it_o be_v more_o than_o m._n h._n can_v prove_v that_o their_o faith_n be_v only_o historical_a likely_a it_o may_v be_v so_o in_o some_o of_o they_o but_o what_o be_v this_o to_o prove_v that_o their_o baptism_n do_v convert_v they_o any_o more_o than_o it_o do_v simon_n magus_n who_o may_v afterward_o be_v convert_v by_o some_o of_o those_o sermon_n which_o they_o hear_v every_o day_n or_o hold_v out_o in_o a_o form_n of_o godliness_n to_o their_o die_a day_n as_o ananias_n and_o saphira_n do_v the_o text_n say_v they_o be_v all_o baptize_v act_v 2._o 41._o but_o it_o do_v not_o say_v that_o any_o of_o they_o be_v convert_v by_o baptism_n m._n d._n can_v any_o man_n make_v the_o seal_n a_o cause_n of_o the_o writing_n m._n h._n p._n 212._o here_o be_v the_o man_n error_n still_o the_o seal_n of_o the_o inward_a writing_n in_o man_n heart_n be_v not_o the_o sacrament_n but_o the_o spirit_n and_o that_o seal_v i_o hope_v be_v the_o cause_n of_o the_o writing_n etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v a_o seal_n of_o the_o inward_a writing_n though_o not_o the_o sole_a or_o principal_a seal_n have_v former_o be_v prove_v which_o therefore_o i_o pass_v 2._o that_o one_o and_o the_o same_o thing_n may_v be_v both_o a_o seal_n and_o a_o cause_n as_o well_o as_o a_o sign_n and_o a_o cause_n i_o deny_v not_o but_o i_o hope_v it_o be_v not_o a_o cause_n as_o it_o be_v a_o seal_n the_o spirit_n first_o work_v than_o evidence_n grace_v wrought_v in_o that_o it_o act_n as_o a_o cause_n in_o this_o as_o a_o seal_n when_o therefore_o i_o say_v the_o seal_n be_v not_o the_o cause_n of_o the_o writing_n my_o meaning_n be_v that_o as_o a_o seal_n it_o be_v not_o a_o cause_n of_o the_o writing_n but_o under_o a_o other_o notion_n m._n h._n interpret_v it_o simpliciter_fw-la which_o i_o propound_v secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la and_o so_o abuse_v both_o i_o and_o the_o reader_n page_n 213._o m._n h._n will_v fain_o court_v i_o from_o my_o yield_n to_o universal_a presence_n to_o yield_v to_o universal_a receive_n but_o i_o must_v entreat_v he_o to_o excuse_v i_o since_o i_o find_v none_o in_o scripture_n forbid_v to_o be_v present_a but_o i_o find_v divers_a in_o scripture_n forbid_v to_o receive_v as_o have_v former_o be_v prove_v and_o i_o hope_v that_o upon_o second_o thought_n he_o will_v be_v more_o charitable_a than_o to_o judge_v i_o upon_o this_o account_n as_o trifle_v with_o this_o holy_a ordinance_n and_o with_o the_o conscience_n of_o people_n his_o argument_n draw_v from_o the_o see_v to_o the_o taste_n of_o christ_n sacramental_a will_v not_o hold_v till_o he_o can_v prove_v that_o a_o sight_n of_o christ_n sacramental_a be_v effectual_a to_o convert_v and_o withal_o that_o the_o precept_n take_v eat_v do_v immediate_o take_v in_o all_o intelligent_a church-member_n and_o if_o so_o then_o let_v his_o jure_fw-la excommunicate_a receive_v also_o his_o instance_n of_o thomas_n feel_v and_o believe_v prove_v only_o that_o feel_n may_v draw_v out_o a_o act_n of_o faith_n from_o a_o principle_n of_o faith_n inherent_a but_o what_o be_v that_o to_o the_o produce_v of_o a_o principle_n of_o faith_n where_o there_o be_v no_o faith_n at_o all_o last_o m._n h._n shall_v consider_v not_o bare_o the_o application_n but_o the_o end_n of_o application_n in_o the_o lord_n supper_n which_o be_v evident_o nutrition_n but_o no_o where_n as_o i_o know_v conversion_n mr._n d._n take_v and_o eat_v call_v for_o act_n of_o faith_n but_o presuppose_v the_o habit_n etc._n etc._n m._n h._n p._n 214._o when_o christ_n and_o his_o disciple_n preach_v believe_v and_o repent_v the_o command_n do_v call_v for_o faith_n and_o repentance_n but_o i_o hope_v it_o do_v not_o presuppose_v the_o habit_n in_o those_o who_o be_v to_o be_v convert_v so_o when_o christ_n say_v here_o take_v etc._n etc._n there_o