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A52036 An answer to a booke entitvled An hvmble remonstrance in which the originall of liturgy, episcopacy is discussed : and quares propounded concerning both : the parity of bishops and presbyters in Scripture demonstrated : the occasion of their imparity in antiquity discovered : the disparity of the ancient and our moderne bishops manifested : the antiquity of ruling elders in the church vindicated : the prelaticall church bownded / written by Smectymnvvs. Smectymnuus.; Milton, John, 1608-1674. 1641 (1641) Wing M748; ESTC R21898 76,341 112

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catechumeni_fw-la or_o beginner_n the_o other_o be_v of_o such_o as_o be_v more_o perfect_a among_o who_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d &_o c●_n nonnulli_fw-la praepositi_fw-la sunt_fw-la quì_n in_fw-la vitam_fw-la &_o mores_fw-la eorum_fw-la qui_fw-la admittuntur_fw-la inquirant_fw-la ut_fw-la qui_fw-la turpia_fw-la committant_fw-la iis_fw-la communi_fw-la caetu_fw-la interdicant_fw-la qui_fw-la vero_fw-la ab_fw-la istis_fw-la abhorrent_n ex_fw-la anima_fw-la complexi_fw-la meliores_fw-la quotidiè_fw-la reddant_fw-la there_o be_v some_o ordain_v to_o inquire_v into_o the_o life_n and_o manner_n of_o such_o as_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o church_n ceisum_fw-la that_o they_o may_v banish_v such_o from_o the_o public_a assembly_n that_o perpetrate_v scandalous_a act_n which_o place_n tell_v we_o plain_o first_o that_o there_o be_v some_o in_o the_o high_a form_n of_o hair_n not_o teacher_n who_o be_v censores_fw-la morum_fw-la over_o the_o rest_n second_o that_o they_o be_v design_v or_o constitute_v to_o this_o work_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d three_o that_o they_o have_v such_o authority_n entru_v into_o their_o hand_n as_o that_o they_o may_v interdict_v such_o as_o be_v scandalous_a from_o the_o public_a assembly_n we_o will_v glad_o know_v whether_o these_o be_v not_o as_o it_o be_v lay_v elder_n that_o there_o be_v such_o in_o the_o church_n distinguish_v from_o other_o that_o be_v call_v to_o teach_v appear_v 137._o augustine_n write_v to_o his_o charge_n direct_v his_o epistle_n dilectissimis_fw-la fratribus_fw-la clero_fw-la senioribus_fw-la &_o universae_fw-la plebi_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la hipponensis_n where_o first_o there_o be_v the_o general_a compellation_n fratribus_fw-la brethren_n than_o there_o be_v a_o distribution_n of_o these_o brethren_n into_o the_o clergy_n the_o elder_n and_o the_o whole_a people_n so_o that_o there_o be_v in_o that_o church_n elder_n distinguish_v both_o from_o the_o clergy_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o people_n so_o again_o contra_fw-la cresconium_fw-la grammaticum_fw-la omnes_fw-la vos_fw-la episcopi_fw-la cap._n presbyteri_fw-la diaconi_fw-la &_o seniores_fw-la scitis_fw-la all_o you_o bishop_n elder_n deacon_n and_o elder_n do_v know_v what_o be_v those_o two_o sort_n of_o elder_n there_o mention_v in_o one_o comma_n &_o ibidem_fw-la cap._n 56._o peregrinus_n presbyter_n &_o seniores_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la musticanae_fw-la regiones_fw-la tale_n desiderium_fw-la prosequuntur_fw-la where_o