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A43754 A brief relation of the irreligion of the northern Quakers wherein their horrid principles and practices, doctrines and manners ... are plainly exposed to the view of every intelligent reader : together with a (brief reply) to some part of a very scurilous and lying pamphlet called. Higginson, Francis, 1617-1670.; Fox, George, 1624-1691. Sauls errand to Damascus. 1653 (1653) Wing H1953; ESTC R34465 75,893 103

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answered a Voice came to them commanding them to come to him He asked them again where this Voice came to them they replyed T F his Garden in Lancashire he demanded again what that Voice commanded them to say to him they answered it was not yet given in to them The Gentleman then told them if they knew not what they had to say to him he knew not what he had further to say to them That night being towards Evening they were entertained in that Gentlemans house and being desired by the Servants to Supper they refused to eat but called for a little water onely The next Morning also they refused to eat any thing but offered to one of the Servants money for their Lodging he told them they did not well to come thither to abuse his Master he kept no Inne In the return towards their old Randezvous a few miles from this Gentlemans house they called at a little Alehouse that stands alone where desiring the Hostesse to provide for their Breakfast they eat and drank heartily The poor woman a little after told one of the aforesaid Gentlemans Servants that had occasion that way that two or three notable Trencher-men had been at her house who enquiring what manner of men they were knew them to be the same men that had been at his Masters 30. They deny all Ordinances and their practise is sutable to this their wicked Tenet An honest Minister in Westmerland discoursing with Fox asked him whether he did believe Prayer Preaching the Sacraments Meditation Holy-conference to be Ordinances of God No saith he away with them I deny them all 31. They call the Worship of God used in our publick Assemblies a beastly worm-eaten form a Heathenish way and Worship fleshly carnall c. 32. They hold that the sprinkling of Infants is Antichristian and their Baptisme the mark of the Beast spoken of in the Revelation which those that worship the Beast recieve in their foreheads 33. They affirm that there is not one word in Scripture that speaks of a Sacrament and that they are unlawfull that a little bread and a little wine in a Sacrament is the Worlds Communion and that in the true Church of God there is no talk of such carnall things A Minister in Westmerland having some conference with Fox and knowing him to be against the Baptisme of Infants asked him if he did not own the Baptisme of water to be an Ordinance No saith he I deny it there is no such Ordinance 34. They hold it unlawfull to sing the Psalmes of David and call them the Worlds Psalmes carnall Psalmes and say we sing Davids quakings and tremblings and that we put Davids Conditions into Rhime and Metre and sing them to the dishonour of God 35. They deny the Lords day to be the Christian Sabbath and say the Sabbath is a Mystery which we understand not 36. They hold it unlawfull to worship God in our Churches commonly and metonymically so called and tearm them Idols Temples beasts houses where God is not worshiped but the worship of the Beast is upheld and that the Beasts of the field meet there Night-birds Screech Owles 37. For the Office of the Magistracy though they do not yet openly declaim against it fearing they should be quickly called to account for such an attempt yet their Opinions which some of their lavish Tongues have manifested touching it as also this rude irreverent sawcy deportment towards Magistrates wherein they shew not so much as any common respect to them their bold impious Predictions of the ruine of all in Authority whatsoever and railings against them do easily evidence them to be none of the best friends to it The ensuing words are the words of a godly learned Minister to a friend of his However saith he the advice of some of late hath made them wiser There was no Doctrine more ordinary at their first entring into these parts at which time they spoke their hearts more freely and plainly then they have done since sense of danger and some little opposition having made them more politick then that we owe no Obedience to any Magistrate and that we ought not to own them with any honour or subjection Mr. Cole severall times endeavoured the Conviction of some of them from that abundant Testimony the Gospell gives to that distinction of Magistrates and Subjects Superiours and Inferiours but in vain And in his discourse with Nailer at Kendall when Nailer told him he accused him in this point falsely Providence so ordered it that one of his followers was there present who having before maintained the said Doctrine to him confessed then he had recieved it from Iames Nailer One Leonard Till of their way in Lancashire affirmed that one man ought not to have power over another Another principall man of the Sect in our County affirmed to a Justice of Peace there would be Quakers in Westmerland when there should be never a Justice of Peace in it for which words he was Indicted at the Sessions Ian. last How those of this Sect at York now Prisoners there railed against the Judges ealling them Scarlet coloured Beasts c. while sitting on the Bench is not unknown Such Justices of the Peace that appeare against their way they call Justices so called 38. They hold that all things ought to be common and teach the Doctrine of Levelling privately to their Disciples Those that know the Leaders of this Sect best judge them to be down right Levellers and that feare of suppression keeps them for the present from teaching that Doctrine openly Severall of them have affirmed that there ought to be no distinction of Estates but an universall parity one above the rest denyed the property of Estates a third affirmed that whersoever Christ came he came to destroyal property 39. They hold to quote Fathers and Authors in preaching is Antichristian 40. They are of Opinion that it is unlawfull to call any man Master or Sir 41. They hold it unwarrantable to salute any man by the way 42. They account it unlawfull to use the Civility of our Language in speaking to a single Person in the Plurall number I do not lay all the Tenets above recited to the charge of every one of them nor do I believe that all of them hold them all some of them are defended by some certain men of them onely Others of them are maintained by them all in generall Of the wicked Practises of the QUAKERS and first of their Meetings and Speakings HItherto of their Errours that are come to our knowledge I shall now go on to present my Reader with a briefe view of their black wicked Practises the naturall Fruits of such corrupt Principles as are above mentioned In doing of which I shall principally take notice of their Meetings Speakings Quakings Fastings Revellings Censoriousnesse ●●ings Inconstancy in their own Opinions enmity to Learning Idlenesse Incivilities bloody barbarous and turbulent Practises for their wayes have
be yet more of them he quickened his Horse with his Spur and declined to the other side of the Lane At the turn of the way were two more Muskets discharged upon him where in all probability he could not have escaped the intended mischiefe had not the Lord mercifully frustrated the bloody Intentions of those his unknown Enemies These men fled immediately the darknesse of a long Winter night which they had before them it being then about the end of December helping to conceale their persons That these men that attempted this Murther were of this Sect is not certainly known but it is strongly presumed and concluded that they were none other by all the Country for these reasons 1. He was generally reproached and threatned by the Quakers for sending Nayler to Prison some of whom were not long before heard to say they would pick his Skin full of holes 2. That very day before there were many of that malicious Sect in Appleby that came to visit Nayler who might take notice of his being there and be invited to take that opportunity of executing their bloody purposes 3. This Gentleman is of such known honesty and Ingenuity that he is generally beloved in the Country and hath not I dare say an Enemy in the world one quarter so cruell as to thirst after his blood except among that Rabble That multitudes of Scurrilous Libels against Ministers and private persons have been fastened to their doores thrown into their houses pinn'd on Pulpit Cushions on the Lords daies and on the Church doores without any name affixed by those Pretenders to Christianity is a thing well known For satisfaction of the Reader I shall give him a true Coppy of one that was affixed one Lords day about the beginning of Ianuary last unto the Church-door at Lancaster which Dr. Marshall openly read to the people there assembled that they might perceive the strange temper of the Spirits of those men by such their unsavoury Eructations A Copy of a Scurrilous Paper affixed to the Church Doore at Lancaster THis is the Idols Temple where the worship of the Beast is upheld down with it down with it Revel 15. 7. 8. Revel 1. 2. 5. God that made the World and all things therein dwels not in this Idolls Temple that is made with hands Act. 7. 47 48 49. Act. 17. 21. Neither is he worshipped in this Idolls Temple with mens hands Act. 17. 24. God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in Truth for the Father is seeking such to worship him Ioh. 14. 23 24. All the World wonders after the Beast and worshippeth the Beast but those who have found their names written in the Book of life and they that worship the Beast and receive his Mark in their Forehead as sprinckling Infants and worshipping the works of their own hands following the imaginations of their hearts they must drink of the wine of the wrath of the Almighty powred out without mixture Revel 14. 9 10 11 12. This Idolls Temple that is made with hands is a place for Night-birds and Screech-Owles to meet each one to the dishonour of the true God that dwelleth in Temples made without hands at new Ierusalem where the Temple of God is with men Revel 21. 3. Drunkards and Swearers Revellers and Scoffers and Scorners and proud and wanton ones and Hypocrites and Dissemblers Enviors Haters back-biters Persecutors Lustfull ones and contentious Persons and Earth-wormes meets here the fearifull and unbelieving peevish and perverse and contentious ones meets here in their Idolls Temple to satisfie their Lusts and saith the Lord this people draw neer me with their mouths and honour me with their lips but their hearts are far from me But know yee not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdome of Heaven but must be cut down and cast into the fire and have their Portion in the Lake that burneth be not deceived God is not mocked This is a Deceiver that standeth up here to deceive the people every seventh day proud and covetous and speaketh a Divination of his own brain and not from the mouth of the Lord and so makes the people light and vain but the Lord is against him hold him not up All the Children of the Lord are and shall be taught of the Lord Jer. 31. 34 Isa. 54. 13. 1 Joh. 2. 27. Of a long time it was a constant practise of some of the most impudent of them to enter in a scornfull manner with their hats on into the publike Assemblies in some places and to raile openly and exclaim aloud against the Ministers with most reproachfull tearmes in time of the dispensation of Gods Ordinances calling them byars Seducers Baals Priests Deluders of the people and bidding them come down from the high places There is fulnesse of Witnesses for this in Kendall and Lancashire and other places And this not onely before but since the Justices at Appleby ordred the binding of such Disturbers to the Peace but alas what can bind them to Peaceablenesse whose Spirit is tumultuous or what can Law do when Conscience is seared and takes tumultuousnesse for a Duty Mr. Coale who was employed to preach abroad in this County where the most eminent necessity of this County lay viz. Where the Country was destitute of a Preacher hath had much experience of them and hath professed that long it was before he could have any peace or safety but the Lord stood by him Two or three of the ablest of them have dogg'd him from place to place and come severall times to his house with horrible railings And lately not many weeks since two or three at once in the open Street fell upon him with such horrid expressions as might shew to all the world the boyling of a most Hellish Rancour and with such fury that he was beholden to Friends to rescue him from them The next Lords Day three of these wanderers came into the Congregation at Kendall and called to him to come down belching forth such tearms of Baals Priests c. and Hellish reproaches as filled both the Congregation and streets after with Tumult The violence offered by some of this people in an open Auditory to one Master Crosby had proved little lesse then the losse of his life as himself hath affirmed openly if the Lord had not been on his side What was complotted against another Minister as he gathereth from a Letter sent him by one of that confederacy but a friend at that time as God so ordered it I cannot relate but the said Minister could not as he said conjecture lesse then some grosse abuse intended against him as he was discoursing with Fox had not one present prevented it Others have been desired by some friends to keep out of their way for they heard a mischief was intended them What Eye in these parts where this people live is not a witnesse of the tumults and uprores they make in Markets What ear hath
you you may be reclaimed from this way of Perdition Look upon your way I pray you which you poor Souls think is true Religion in the Glasse of this Relation Behold here the Errours and Enormities of the chiefe of your Sect. Are they not their Blasphemies their Tenets their Practises that are here mentioned Do you not know and many others of your Sect to be guilty of some of most of them and are they not Abominations also are they not works of the flesh and deeds of darknesse If the Candle of the Lord be not wholly put out in you and that light within you you so much talk of be not altogether darkness I appeal to that light And for my plain dealing in the ensuing Narration I hope you of all men wil not be displeased The Leaders and ●autors of your Sect have taken a sinfull liberty to themselves in their printed books as in Sauls Errant to Damascus Rich. Farnworths Cal out of all false Worships and in another book intitled the three-fold state of Antichrist and in another Pamphlet called false Prophets and false Teachers described by the Prisoners at York c. In these printed Libels and in your Manuscripts that flye as thick as Moths up and down the Country the ablest of your party the Authors of them have said and railed and censured and slandered and at a venture predicted his pleasure Let me now repeat a little of what they have said and tell some part of the World some of the wickednesse that is contained in them I have not mentioned the personall failings of any of your Society except such practises as are notoriously known and have been defended and wherein your Religion is partly placed Nor have I aggravated any thing or made a Mountain of your Mole-hil those that are well acquainted with you know that what is here said is rather a Mole-hill to your Mountain For the Errours of your Sect mentioned in this book it is not my intent in this discourse to debate them with you or to undertake a confutation of them To those that are not Children in knowledge the very nomination of them is a sufficient confutation such cleer opposition is there between them and the word of Truth And for your selves I suppose private and moderate reasonings if you would admit of them would be more praevalent to reclaim you then Writings Yet if you would deale so ingenuously with us as to let us know under your hands wherein you go alone and dissent from the Generation of the Children of the most High and desire our answer to it a little time I hope would produce it from some abler Pen then mine to what should cleerly appeare to be Erroneous Lend me your Patience a little longer while I speak yet something more freely to you of your way your selves that walk in it and your Speakers that have seduced you to it Your way may challenge the Christian world to shew one more wicked I must confesse to you I do not detest Popery it selfe more heartily then I do your Irreligion Papists are open Idolaters and the Propagators of your Superstitions are more horrid Blasphemers most of your Errours may throw down the Gauntlet to the worst of theirs besides many that you hold in common with them They worship God according to the fancy of the Pope and his Conclave You according to the fancy of Fox and those others that have deluded you or according to your own imaginations or rather you worship not the Lord at all having cast off all his Ordinances without exception your Soule loatheth that light Bread Besides your Spirits are more impetuous your practises Tenets as nay more destructive to humane Societie and civill Peace and Government then those of the Iesuites Proselytes or are you one jot lesse if not more Antichristians then they Your way also leads to Ranting and if the Lord in mercy do not reclaim you it is easie to predict that before a few months or yeares be gone over you will be ascended to that height and precipice of Impiety And for your selves while in this way if you be compared with the prophane people of the world you are the worse They when they revile and curse and drink and sweare and live in uncleannesse will be easily convinced of and confesse the evill of their way But you when you turn your backs upon Gods word and Ordinances and scoff at them and speake evill of the way of Truth and cease not with Elymas to pervert the right waies of the Lord and revile the Ministers of Christ and mock at his Messengers you make it your Religion and applaud and justifie your selves in it as though you did God good Service in so doing Yet this Iniquity of yours is I am assured of it a greater and purer peece of Profanity then if you should in the sight of the Sun lye down and wallow in the Mire of any of the common Vices and Pollutions of the world If there was that order and discipline established among us which Christ hath appointed in his Church such as you should bee cut off from the Lords people by Excommunication be solemnly delivered up to Satan and declared to be as Heathens and Publicans Tit. 3. 10. A man that is an Heretick saith the Apostle after the first and second Admonition reject But however men on earth deale with you if you live and dye without repentance in the sinnes above mentioned it is no presumption to say the sentence of Excommunication will be passed upon you in Heaven and that the doores of the Kingdome of God will be shut against you for ever You heare the word of Truth telling you 1 Cor. 6. 9. 10. That no unrighteous Persons And particularly that Revilers shall not inherite the Kingdome of God and Gal. 5. 20. 21. That Idolatry Witchcraft hatred variance emulations wrath strife seditions Heresies are manifest works of the flesh and that those that do such things shal not be the Inhabitants of that upper Region and Revel 21. 8. and 22. 15. That the unbeliving and all lyars shall have their part in the Lake that burneth with fire and brimstone which is the second death And you know how Christ wil deale with those at the last day that obey not his Gospel Many of these sinnes specified in the Texts above cited are the naturall Fruits or rather essentiall parts of your new Irreligion and I am sure also they have been hitherto in very many of your way as the i●●●rable Adjuncts of it The Lord the Father of mercies open your 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 see the evill of this your way and reclaim you from it for it 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 path of life but one of the rodes to Hell and a way that goes downe to the Chambers of death And for your Speakers if ever there did arise false Prophets Seducers since Christs time and since the Apostles fell asleep as they have told us in their Sacred Writings
to the face of the world While they would defend themselves before you they bewray themselves and if you be intelligent Readers will stink in your nostrils Nor wil you need that any man should take the pains of any reply the book is big with folly madnes It is self-accused and carries its confutation with it Here is therfore notice taken chiefly of the calumnies charged upon some Ministers in Westmerland as to matter of fact lest they should triumph in our silence and the world look upon their relations as Truth to which you may expect an answer so true that if need be it may be attested on Oath by a multitude of witnesses A brief Reply to a very scurrilous and lying Pamphlet called Sauls Errand to Damascus shewing the Vanitie of the praises there given to the Sect of the Quakers and the falsitie of their Relations which are c. THe first Epistle in Souls errand to Damascus inscribed I suppose chiefly to that sort of the People whose irreligion and horrid impieties have been in the forner part of this Book sufficiently manifested intrudes to raise up your honour and procure a precious esteem for them among those that are Saints indeed and therefore tels them That the Lord Jesus Christ and Christ with all his Train and bids them glory in their habit and perswades them they wear the signal Favors of the King of Kings by which the Authour saith he knowes to whom they belong because they love the Brethren Reply REader we could wish that not one of that apostatized Generation but were such indeed that they all had that Genuine and reall glory upon their souls which this Enemy would varnish them over with to deceive those that know them not But alas how shall the most extended Charity that knowes them be perswaded to entertain such a high opinion of them If to hate the Truth as it is in Jesus to adulterate oppose it to worship the mentall Idols of their own imaginations If to cast off and deny all Christs Ordinances if zealously to maligne revile reproach taunt speak all manner of evil falsely against all the Ministers of his Gospel without exception and against the most honest godly spiritual Christians that live near them If this be to love Christ then may this people be thought to love the Lord Jesus indeed But if to live and delight in those Impieties be not love but reall hatred to Jesus Christ then may this people if any in the Christian World be justly reputed his professed Enemies We must confesse their love to those of their own society seems to be much and sometimes discovers it self too unhandsomely and uncivilly to give a vantage for a Spiritual and Saintlike love But be their affection eminent among themselves it is too palpably turned into the gall of bitternesse against all not of their principles so that the Authour of the Epistles to justifie his sayings must be forced to condemne all the Professors of Christ except his own Epileptick society as none of the Saints Brethren or Train of Jesus Christ. If any of those who dwell in the Bosome of the Son of God and by the flamings of their own souls in love to Christ and to his Saints do know the proper colours and operations of a divine affection can say there is any spark of what the Epistle pretends to of love to Christ and his Train in this Generation I must confesse our sight much lesse able to see it then our soul is ready to desire the Lord by his converting power would plant it in them In the second and third Epistles He again represents them as peaceable holy humble self denying men precious Christians such as have for some time past forborn to concorporate in parochiall Assemblies wherein they professe themselves to have gained little of the knowledge of Christ such as demean themselves without giving any offence to those that for God c. and after calls their meetings Christian and peaceable Exercises Reply THe Authour of those Epistles it seems thinks to gain advantage upon the Readers affections for this people by telling him what a well qualified people they are how pious how peaceable humble selfdenying How easie is it to call evil good and good evil We could wish from our souls they were all what is spoke of them and it is our prayer to the Lord for them that they may yet become such be cloathed with those Christian Graces and filled with these gifts of the Spirit which are Ornaments of great price before God But true it is the contrary is too manifest Their Blasphemies and hellish Errors their superstitions irreligion selfconceitednesse their uncharitablenesse censoriousnesse constant Sabbath-breaking living according to the Impulse of their own wils their professed Enmity to Christs Gospel the preaching of the Word and violent endeavours to overturn all Ordinances and wayes of Worship and invecctives against them their incomparable reproachings of the servants of the living God and turbulent behaviour more fully spoken to in the former Narrative do too openly declare them to the World to be quite opposite to what this man would represent them to be viz. to be Enemies to peace and piety and full of the worst kind of pride and arrogancy of that which is Spiritual If Lancashire produce a fairer crop and the pasture of theirs be different from ours if they be there better fed and taught then with us we are glad they are not so ill in any place as ours But we fear those of this society with them do fall under the same unanswerablenesse to the praise of these Epistles as these in Westmoreland do We speak of whom we know and do conclude that they are so unlike to prous and peaceable men that as it would be a mercy to some Congregations if they might waite upon the God of their fathers in peace so we have reason to solicite the Lord in our prayers that he would still continue to spread the skirt of the Magistrates protection and power over the Churches without which we must I a n to prepare for those times wherein the people shall perish for lack of vision and the Prophet shall say with Elijah It is enough Lord let me d e. For their forbearance to concorporate with parochial Congregations It is no commendation to them that they refuse to be hearers in such Assemblies where the Word of God is purely preached It is no sin to hear the Word in a mixt Congregation Christ himself preached most frequently to unconverted Multitudes nor had his Disciples learned from him to forbear to concorporate with them as far as came to the hearing of the Word among them He sent forth his Apostles with Commission to preach the Gospel to all Nations to every Creature and therefore it was the dutie of every Creature the worst of sinners as well as the best of Christians where ever they came to hear them It would rather have ben matter
not Ala●● poor hearts if they could perswade the world that a man of such known Learning and Abilities as Mr. Coale is had no knowledge and though it be true that the Gentiles have their 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Rom. 2. 25. What will this advantage their cause Think they he was ignorant That all Nations and Kindreds have some sparkeling of Light and Knowledg some twilight streamings of Understanding the Candle of the Lord within them But what is this to a Light sufficient to save them Can the Owning of those implanted natural Principles bring us to know Jesus Christ and his Gospel which is a Doctrine of pure Revelation and which the world could never have known by all its wisedome had not God by his Son and by his Servants the Prophets and Apostles revealed it from Heaven unto us And whereas they would perswade the world that what rude behaviour was after was by the Priests party scornfully so called Had the Relator any spark of ingenuity left in him he knows Mr. Coals unwillingness to discours in that place as fearing some tumult and that those that came with Mr. Coale to speak with Nayler did guard him with safety through the Town And where they say the raging Priests continued shouting crying and throwing stones at him a quarter of a mile out of the Town their souls may blush for shame to Print such a palpable execrable falshood Those whom they so nickname have I am confident more compassion in them for such beguiled souls then Passion and were so far from being ingaged in such a barbarous and unchristian act that their souls would loath the very thoughts of it Mr. Coale saw not Nayler at that time after he was departed from the place where he discoursed with him but stayed there with four Christian friends till the people were gone and Nayler conveyed safely through the Town by a Magistrate But let them not be deceived God is not mocked for they that thus sowe to the flesh shall of it not fail to reap corruption At the close of the Book I find the word Priests in this place among the Errata's and that you should read not the raging Priests but the raging People A willing Erratum doubtless and an excellent back doore here is to avoid a lie But how shall these Errata's which one of 100. reads not and few in comparison know the use of take off this base aspersion It is well that either I. Nayler his particulars or George Foxe his press of Persecutions are either capable of mistakes or have the modesty to confess an Error We shall not challenge what the reparation of their honesty doth at their hands viz. To alter their Relations and speak Truth and right the names of those they have wronged in their Sauls Errand to Damascus but shall bind all their aspersions of us as a crown upon our heads having learned in some measure to go through both good and bad report and desiring to be crucified to vain estimations of men A Reply to that part of Nailers Relation which concerns Master Fothergils and my own discourse with him at Orton HE saith many Christian friends did desire his coming to Orton Who those were or whether desirous of his coming or no I did not inquire since we know too well that such guests as he may be had upon very easie terms He is indeed for any way but home or where he hopes to find entertainment and then the feat is to pretend that either by voyce or revelation or at least by the intreaty of their Brethren they were called thither And it is probable upon this last score Nayler came to Orton Fox was heard to say a few dayes before he thought God would give him a Call to speak at Orton shortly But thither came Nayler in steed of Fox and with him a great company of all sorts and both sexes where true it is that some Ministers were but that any multitude or number of people was drawn together by their procurement is utterly false As for his temptations by the Ministers and their Intentions of violence against him and the appearance thereof afterwards his paper when he writ it would have answered him with a blush if it had been capable of shame The Relation which Nayler or some for him makes of the conference betwixt our selves and him that day is very confused imperfect and false Briefly and truly thus it was Mr. Fothergill Minister of Orton wished the Constable to do his Office so far as to ask Nailer by what Authority and to what end he had drawn together that multitude Nayler replyed the end of his coming thither was to declare what God had revealed in him If so said Mr. Fothergill that thou comest to instruct the people it is a good work if so be thou hast a lawful calling so to doe Then shewing him an Ordinance of Parliament forbidding any to preach publickly but such as were lawfully called thereunto he asked what calling he had to do so Nayler answered he had a calling If so said M. Fothergil it is either Extraordinary or Ordinary one or both or neither which I rather believe To which Naylers reply was that distinctions were from the seed of the Serpent Yea said M. Fothergil what saist thou then to that distinction 1. Iohn 5. 16. There is a sinne unto death and a sinne not unto death I spake of thy distinction said Nayler though indeed he spake of distinctions generally But leaving this discourse Nayler affirming that there was no other kind of call to the Ministery but such as the Apostles had M. Fothergill proceeded to give some instances of extraordinary calls in the Prophets and Apostles and of ordinary calls as in the successive Ministers of the New Testament by Imposition of hands And lastly of both in the example of Paul of whose immediate and extraordinary call we reade Acts 9 And of his mediate and ordinarie call by Imposition of hands Acts 13. 2. Against this Nayler spake many words to little purpose out of Gal. 1. And when he saith he could have no answer though he asked 3. times whether the imposition of hands Act 13. 2. were Pauls calling to the Ministerie it is untrue For he was answered then that it was his ordinary or mediate cal to the Ministery among the Gentiles and a confirmation of that extraordinary cal which he had before Not said Mr. Fothergil as though that extraordinary call had not bin of its self sufficient but that the Churches consent and approbation being hereby signified he might be the more welcome to and the better received of the Gentiles to whom he was sent Nor doe we judge amisse if we think that the Lord hereby would also signifie what manner of calling to the Ministery he intended to continue in the Church to after ages That other Minister that the Relator contemptuously cals Priest was my self I told him then that seeing he denyed the Office and teaching