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A require of agreement to the groundes of divinitie studie wherin great scholers falling, & being caught of Iewes disgrace the Gospel: & trap them to destruction. By H.B.
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Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612.
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that your Q. hath rare regard of scholers Br. I will endevour to give you brieflie the summe of this booke froÌ„ Iohns speach in his owne native maner his Visions for the time praesent and to come The first speech of Iohn sheweth how the Sonne hath received froÌ„ the Father a revealing of the Churches case vnto the last iudgement and resurrection and Iohn the Disciple whom the Lord loved is talked with by an Angell and spoken too by Christ And Iohn exclameth what goodnes coÌ„meth from this revelation that it maketh the Reader happie and he commendeth the worke to seaven Churches of the Lande of Gog where Iewes were scattered by the Macedonians the farthest Westward of their dispersion and were fit instruments to save vs poore heathen towards Sun set as afterward he made our poore couÌ„trey the ends of the earth the possession of Christ The blessing from the holy Trinitie the Eternall our God the Eternall is most heavenly and the acclamation of glorie to the Sonne from Fs 4. and Exod 19. warning of his iudgement when the second time he commeth in the cloudes as he came Dan. 7. to take manhood and from Zacharie his owne Gospell he teacheth Rome that pearced him handes feet and side that they shall see a Revenger And the Eternitie of the Sonne is manifest in that he is Agr and ω. the beginning and the end who is who was and wil be the Almightie Now he commeth to tell the opportunitie of the Visions He was banished into Patmos a small Iland neare Ephesus recorded onely but by name of Heathen obscure for any further storie Into this as out of the world Iohn of whom the world was not worthie was banished God turning Domitians tyrannie into a blessing that this desert Iland should have the state of the whole world set open Rabbi Elias Certenly this must be a strang blessing of God I am much bent to hear your speach and I consider the Law-giving how it was in the wildernes where none but Gods own should be partakers And as at the West of the Arke as at Sunne-setting of state the Dearest and last-borne Tribes were set Ioseph and Beniamin in Ephraim Beniamin and Manasses to shew that the Lord doeth stretch his power to the furthest off So I deeme that in the furthest quarters of our dispersion West-ward as before Ephraim Beniamin and Manasses GOD would stirre vp his strength and come and helpe vs. Thus farre I can goe after you have drawe me on Br. The basenes of this Iland hath a further signification to teach that the obscure places shall most have the glory of God As all men be wicked naturallie and one pricketh forward another so a great Citie such as Aristides the Rhetor Sophister maketh Rome will soone become a world of wickednes But Patmos now telleth that the Church shal be in the wildernes as in chap. 7. it is not evident by open shew but as in Ierusalem vnder Sedekias Ezek 9. when an Angel sealeth them which belang to God so of vs heathen an Angell sealeth them that bee his when the open face of the Church was gone and the Dragon head and tayle driveth the Church into the wildernes and the beast compounded of Daniels foure once dead and revived but of purple colour and having a Rider a Woman in scarlat drunk with the blood of the Sainctes this drove the Church into the Wildernes through a fea of troubles mixt with fire and fagot Rab. Eli. I admire these visiones and cannot gainsay them Br. The time is more wondâ—â—full then the place Rab. What terme have yee of the time Br. The Lords day Rab. What day is that Br. The first day of the weeke Rab. And why is the Sabbath altered Br. I will tell you large matter brieflie The first day Elohim the adviser and worker of the worldes frame made heaven with the Angels and Earth and Light and the Angels the morning Starres who confirmed by feare and tremblinge their strength which in wisedome and holines was not so perfect but that they might fall these starres showted to see the earth hange in the middes of the ayer and the Waters drawen to their chanels and the roaring Sea threatening to drownd the Lande returning from the shoare as by Gods checkes so when they saw the Cloudes fastened in the skie and all workes that way they showted No lesse at Sunne Moone and Starres and plantes trees hearbes at Foules from Eagle to Wren and fish from Whale to shrimpe and beastes with Crepers from Elephant to Antes they glorified God the creatours Hearing a voice saying Let this be and it stood Now when God the Creatours the Father Sonne and holy Ghost was to make Man that should have knowledge of the Eternal Trinitie he dwelling in light that none can come too speaketh Let vs make man according to our likenes and let them be Lordes over beastes fish and foules and God made Man after his owne image and bringeth all beastes and foules before Adam and he giveth them names expressing their nature as wisely as Angels could And seeing that it was not good for Adam to be alone hee maketh Eue out of his Ribbe and then carieth both into Paradise and giveth commaundement to both in the singular number as they were one flesh Rabâ— You in the endes of the earth search the Law exactly It must needes be holden that the Woman was made before the Law was given As shee telleth the meaning to be of both ye shall eat of all the trees of the Garden but of the tree of knowledge of evill and good ye shall not eate for the day ye eat of it yee shall die All this was the sixt day And before this commaundement was given God gave his Angells care over man as you hold them spirites sent foorth to minister for them that shall inherite salvation Great armies of Spirites not reverencing so fully as they should Gods counsell though when Man was made they were very good as all creatures yet great armies of millions being left vnto their owne sway hated mans superioritie and kept not their standing but became of poysonfull hatred against God and by leave went into the serpent and deceaved Eua before shee was called Eve and she drew the man to sinne and about time of Eating they ate the tree fruite Generally all tree fruites be MELA Apples And at the Evening God called them to iudgement and pronounceth Eternall coÌ„demnation against the Devils and all the wicked that shal be borne of that poyson that the serpent breathed into Eve and not regenerated by water of Law and spirit moving vpon it which spirit ye truely say to be the spirit of Christ This sad storie fell the sixt day And then is the promesse that one shall come to be a man according to the kinde whose footesteps and handes Satan the old serpent shall pearce but he shall bruse all his power and destroy his workes The
his soule went from the body to heaven Br. Our Greeke abridgement of faith saith He was crucified dead and buried and went to God where the godly have heaven and the godles hell Rab. Elias Wee holde so all in Gether Maleuth that on high be chambers of joy and light chambers of torment in fyre brimstone Br. Seeing then it is appointed for all to die and then commeth iudgement while it is sayd to day seeke vnto the mercy of GOD in Christ otherwise your portion shal be in the lake burninge with fyer and brimstone Your Law had but a shadowe of things to come not the very image of matters For it was vnpossible that the blood of oxen and goates should take away sinne Therefore Iesus comming vnto the world saith Sacrifice offring thou regardest not Behold I come to do thy will In the whole roule of thy booke it is written By this performance of wil we are saved Therfore seeing we have freedome to enter into the Sanctuarie by the blood of Iesus Let vs come with a true heart and certeintie of faith into that way which he hath consecrated for vs. Yee have felt nowaboue 1500. yeares eternall destruction for falling into the handes of the livinge God while yee dreame hope by the workes of the Law Sabbath and Circumcision though yee breake all the rest when ye say Sabbath shakul ce col hatorah and Milah shakul co col hatora The Sabbath is weighed as all the Law Circumcision is weighed as all the Law The keeping of either after the end of Daniels seaveÌ„ is death to you Rab Elias You have vnlaced vnto me two bookes Iohns Visions and the Epistle to the Ebrewes and I will confesse as Abr. Ruben did at Constantinople that I never thought to heare so much spoken clearely from the Law for your Gospell O that you would write in Ebrew as you speak to me you should so save all our nation Basil giveth you high report hardly perswade all that Rubens Epistle was in sadnes Therfore Christians and Iewes should require sentence against him At Geneva one would play and say The olde Lady is descended vp to Haides your hope is poysoned God forbid Vtis was comming to Lions But is returned to Calice to rule Locgriam Then I sayd If Vtis keepe him selfe so sure from fyre and water as all our folke will keepe him from setting one foot in Loegriâ but as a prisoner or by the Kinges leave he shall never be burnt nor drowned I warrant him Tell N. N. so Geneva shal be sunke before I suffer my Nation to be reported so senseles as to become Neroes and vnder them over whom we claime rule Our stomackes will never broke that and not one in Loegria dare chirpe that way Rab. Elias Your resolute iudgement for Divinitie and humanitie is alike But holde you on your purpose for writing in Ebrew for our vse You know what encomion Rabbi Ruben hath written you and what contempt of others Br. That will doe me little good Seeing the worlde is full of prophane scoffers and dullardes Princes Nobles and all of noble mindes regard studie But as Machmad barbarous found moe fellowes in fourtie yeares then millions of learned found so one Thersites will trouble the Greek Campe more then millions sage But to conclude as Iacob and Moyses did blesse Israell so I grone to teach you how all blessings were aey in Christ all the Law froÌ„ Aleph to Thau standes in him I mentioned how holy Paul wished him self cut off from God to save you I cut of my selfe from this worlds preferrement to be ready to teach you Say not in your heart who can goe vp into heaven to bring Christ downe or who can goe into the deepe of the earth to bring Christ from the dead But beleeve that Iesus is the Eternall God and that the Godhead raised the man from death and you shal be saved and receave the power of his spirit to be quickned from death to life and by the aboundance of Grace of the gift of iustice reigne with Christ for ever and ever That there be in the holy Eternall three heads and are brought all to one ye confesse in Zohar Deut. col 559. that the Angell Iehova is God of Bethell that doth Ramban vpon Exod. 23. and for pluralitie of persons yee doe note better then ever any other vpon Let vs make man Gen. 5 and vpon Psa 33. in Midras Tillin and in Saned fol. 38. and infinitelie But that God should be in Christ that can ye not see to this day But the verie same hatred that the Devills bare to mans glorie yee beare against the Sonne of man whiche aboad all shame to bring vs to glorie To whom be all glorie for ever as he is in holy spirit God to be praised for ever To the Right Reverend Fathers the Governours of Oxford WHEN Mr. Scaligers booke de emendatione temporum came forth many churches were troubled because it brought an other length of time then their narrations would suffer Herevpon I tooke in hande to shew a chaine of times from Creation to Redemption and I shewed Iubilees drawen from the partition of the Lande vnto our Lords death to give the time a double chaine And to this I applyed particular Liues in common course that there was no iarring but as Salomons Temple had no hammer noise but all was made fit on the mountaine so all seemed to have a consent And I warned of heathen lying workes and forged which in athean blindnes should trouble the holy meaning of the Bible Such as make Nabopollasar Father to Nabuchodonosor and Emperour of all Asia frustrate Ieremies prophecie for greatnes to arise Mr. Ios Scaliger should have seene this So when he thinketh that Ezekiel 1 1. taketh his accompt not from Iosias Pascha but from Nabopollasar all should blame his boldnes So when hee would have Daniel captived not in the fourth of Ioakim which he writeth of him selfe but with Iechonias the oversight is great as in denying the Kingdome of Babell parted to Medes and Persians Dan. 5. and specially for Olympiades where I will lay downe his wordes De initio Cyrj Quotquot temporum rationes disputarunt vetustissimi eruditissimi scriptores nemo non corum Cyrj annum primum in primum Olympiadis 55. confert Diodorus Siculus Thallus Castor Polybius Phlegon vt scribit auctor Priscus eruditus Tatianus Idem testatur Africanus apud Eusebium What a triffling testimonie is this Africanus giveth the Macedonians three hundreth seaventie yeares Maister Scaliger but 294. from Alexanders death to Cleopatraes when Antony killed him selfe Therefore this testimonie is nothing worth Besides Phlegon and Diodorus differ an hundreth yeares for beginning Olympiades And Pamphila differeth two hundreth yeares for Chilon the Lacedemonian of Cyrus time from Sosigenes in Laertius Sosigenes maketh Chilon to be Ephoros in Olympiade 56. Pamphila in the sixt So there is two hundreth yeares difference And Pamphila hath much defence For if Menelaus came to Tyrus in Chyram and Salomons dayes foure hundred and five yâ—â—â—â— after that in Diodorus beginning of Olympiades and six Olâ—â—piades more will well reach to Chilon his office to cast it into the sixt Olympiade Any one would bee aweary to reckon the diversities which be of Olympiades in Greekes Clement hath this That Ezekiel prophecied in the 48. Olympiad and so Aggej in the 48. And there was neare 100. yeares betwixt their prophecies Endles be the differences and from sundry games of old men reckoned them not reckoning the number but when such a gamester as Diagoras Rhodius wan the price so Theucidides reckoneth them Before Alexander Macedon no auctour in copies vnblamed numbred an Olympiad Hippias Elaeus might seeme to toy But none would regard him And in Fastis Siculis The Olympiad of Regifugium is not 68. as in Eusebius But in 86. or 85. as I remember So the goodly tables of Eusebius and Glareanus made from Dionysius and Diodorus when they are examined have small auctoritie Your great learned man that wrote against the Apocrypha to dash the holy Bibles auctoritie and to set vp Satans lies should not be in that argument in too high esteeme Galen warneth vpon Hippocrates that the greatest part of Alexandria Librarie was pestered with forged workes And Historiques mooved every stone to feigne concent to time But when they are traced in particulars agreement falleth most vpon the Angells accompt And without mans auctoritie that should bee holden simply And the Iewes who reckoned hourely their comming home from Babell and had their seavens to helpe them never disagree in the Gospell about the time that Iohn was to Baptise and Messias to appeare And when I drove your Doctor to this exigent to begin the time at the Angells message and to say 70. septiments completis excisus est Ch. I thought I had done enough to make any see that I had the victorie and I never thought he should be suffered to say that the holy Angell meant no certen time As god wil not be mocked so he would not mock to speake of foure hundred and nienetie yeares when the worlde should looke for salvation and not performe the worke till five hundred and sixtie yeres God his vnchangeable trueth cannot so deale with the sonnes of Adam If in his life time his Lectures had come foorth I had answered him in Latin Now I am loth to baite the dead Looke your selves to the dignitie of your owne Academic FINIS