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A92768 A sea-cabbin dialogue, between two travellers lately come from Holland Translated out of Dutch; and dedicated to all those who desire to understand things rightly. 1652 (1652) Wing S2166G; ESTC R230267 35,605 66

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and the which our Ambassadors will not be backwards to represent And how that the English have committed such spoyles and out-rages upon us as are not to be parallel'd For is it not publike how that one English man of Warre who set forth with a Letter of Licence or Mart as you may call it hath taken more then thirty Holland Merchant men and I pray you how can this stand before God and Men that by reason of a particular pretence a whole Nation should suffer so generall a damage Moreover was it ever heard of that Soveraignes and States doe breake on the occasion of every particular persons falling foule that would be just as if Neighbours should set each others Houses on fire when as their Servants or Domesticks chance to disagree And as to thy former question whether the Hollanders were not worse then Jewes what an unhandsome language is that and how injurous since all the world knowes them to be honest plaine dealing men that their word is more binding then all the English Lawyers clauses for too and and which they insert in their Beds-sheets like Indentures deeds and covenants The Hollanders you must know mean right to the English and love them so well as that they offer to ioyne with the English Nation against any party that shall not keepe a faire correspondency with them Now that it stands with the interest of the Enlish Nation to keepe a good quarter with the Hollanders hath been proved by twenty undeniable Arguments Besides who can gain-say but that they are Christians Nor doe they as it is scandalously surmised profane the Lords day nor in the least omit his service have they not set a deep forfeiture on any person that shall be found to sell any thing on the Sabbath day And sure I am that amongst them thou shalt not see such a spectacle as Pauls Church is in at present for that they would either pull it downe or build it up againe to the end that strangers should not have occasion to question their Christian profession Therefore sirra Captaine let me advise thee to leave thy crackings quackings and Fulminations as also thy grinning at my Coat the which I must tell you is lyned with a good Fur For though I doe sometimes talke of a green Cheese and of Freezeland Mares yet am I of such a constitution as not to blush at any Nick-names of Butter-box Flemming or the like to which I have a reply at hand and that in Ryme too For that it is granted we doe love Butter and we doe finde it to be good according to the saying Buttertie voor en buttertie naer do et Een Mens leven hondert Iaer which I will thus english you Butter before meales and after repast will make a man hundreds of yeares out-last In this sense it was that Prince Maurice of Orange outvide the Marquesse of Spinolas Quible when as he feasted the said Marquesse during the Treaty of their Truce and at which time the said Marquesse tooke an occasion to commend his Country preferring it before Holland inferring how that Lemmons and Orenges did grow there twice a yeare whereunto Prince Maurice said that Holland must needs be a far better Country for there Butter and Cheese did grow twice a day and whereby his Souldiers were maintained fat and lusty and thus much I thinke sir Captaine may serve your turne in lieu of our Butter-box-Flemming Title which you so unhandsomely brand us with Capt. Be shrow my heart thou hast hit the Naile on the head now in good sooth I did alwaies respect this Dromidary Freeze-lander to be some disquised Rhetoritian purposely sent to walke about our Exchange for to observe the dispositions of Men you see how he hath wit at will and can speake to the purpose too most like a cunning Logitian however to the point Merchant I pray you Merch. Truly if it be so as that the English Seamen have first abused the Hollanders and that all the bruits which are come from Portsmouth are not well grounded why then it concernes every one of us to be circumspect and watchfull for to discover what Firebrands these are which goe about to put strife betweene these two Nations that so they may make the Devill keepe a Holy-day nay that the Turks and Infidels may laugh at us when as they shall see those which professe one and the selfe same Religion sheath their Swords in each others bowels Cui bono for that this question wil certainly be made by all juditious honest and wel meaning persons And as then will not all wise Statists conclude that the great Devill of delusion hath blind-folded us even in a time when as our most assured intelligences do● confirme unto us from all parts that our Adversaries doe greatly combine against us and that in case wee doe not hasten to prevent them they will venter ere long to bang us by Bell Booke and Candle since it s too apparant that the Spaniards and French will be necessitated to agree and their discontented Princes may as soone be moved to put up their Swords which if they doe shall we not I pray you be the object of their sa sa But now to the point in reference to that which is bruited concering the instances which are said to be made for the Parliaments repealing of their Act concerning the prohibiting of the Importation of Goods for strangers and the which is supposed to be an unquestionable meanes to undoe the Hollanders and to increase the English Navigation For as some conceive were it otherwayes why as then should the Hollanders be so solicitous as they are said to be to have that Act repealed Herein I shall ingeniously declare unto you what I have learnt by experience and I shall prove it unto you how that the prohibiting of Importation of Goods by strangers will neitheir encrease the English Navigation nor undoe the Hollanders but on the contrary it will be extreame prejudiciall unto the English Nation As for example in the first place The customes will be diminished by the halfe for that strangers pay double customes Nor will the waste of Commodities be greater then formerly whosoever the Importers be Secondly Suppose that from London there be 40. 50. or 100. Ships more set forth to fetch Commodities yet it must be granted that there will be 500. Ships lesse imployed from the other parts of England Scotland and Ireland which were used to fetch all manners of Wares from Holland For all the Sea Townes in England carry one or other Commoditie constantly for Holland Zealand and other parts beyond the Sea yea divers Townes as Yorke Hull and all the Countries Yarmouth Norwitch and all that Country and so likewise of Colchester Sandwich and other hath the chiefe Sale and vent for their Commodities and they goe over not halfe freighted yet commonly all of them returne full of all manner of Commodities from thence In stead whereof they must all returne for
person may thinke that a Reply approving of what you say might savour of an Act to take off the edge of your first fury against the Hollanders But as for my selfe I doe speake sincerely and really as I meane and as I believe and therefore I answer you thus in generall termes That the safest Maximes which this state may put in practise are to procure unto the English Nation all the possible advantages that may be especially towards the attaining unto all Christians glorious and profitable goods And whereas many of us do conceive that the Parliament reflects on providence so do many of us believe that the Officers of their Armies especially their Generall the Lord Cromwell intend the same not that he reflects on that which Almanack-makers and other such like Pamphet-writers set forth How that the Pope shall be pulled out of his Seat by him by reason of a Lyon which he bears in his Arms But that the true Lyon of Judah is he who shall pull all those out of their Seats who doe possesse them on false grounds Now in case heaven hath Decreed that this shall be effected in these dayes and by a secondary means viz. The Parliament of Englands happy Genius although there were no such thing in his Arms as a Lyon It might questionlesse be encompassed without the influence of the Stars and allusions of Almanack-makers For that the Lord hath a regard unto the intentions of men Cains sacrifice was one as well as Abels although not accepted of and it s moreover said My son give me thy heart c. Now for as much as concerns the other particular which you hinted at Truly this is my opinion thereon That it would be a farr wiser part to minde such like Christian glorious and beneficiall atcheivements as you speak off waving the enraged humour of shedding of blood and setting of the very Seas on fire whereby we should but give the Devil an advantage over us and would he not thereby have handsomly compassed his own ends Capt. Thou sayest very well and I doe also remember that my friend who acquainted me with the Contents of the aforesaid Remonstrance unto the Parliament told me how that the great Favourite the late Duke of Buckingham had fixt his minde on that secret designe when as he intended his second Voyage towards Rotchel to which intent he had by a Treaty with the late King of Sweden Gustavus Adolphus put himself under the said Kings protection Mer. Why truly as now you doe awaken my memory thereon for that I call to minde certain overtures which were once made by one Master Fourbisher unto the said King Capt. Which mean you Those which were invented by a Scot one Sir Thomas Dishington who by a Wit of this Nation was usually tearmed a mouldy Turd the same who when he was in France under the pretence of being a Scotch Intelligencer though he could scarce Marshal up ten words of sense together served the French as a spye Mer. The same the same 't is he himself Cap. I marry that Dreamer vented a world of Chymera's concerning one Seignior Pedro who had been his fellow prisoner in the Bastile at Paris and who as Sr. Thomas pretends had left his wife and children in a place where gold did grow as rise as grasse and where as the supposer said the sunne had solidated a vein of massiff gold as thick as a mans thigh which like a Bracelet about a Ladies neck did surround a hill in Cicily neere unto the Town of Palerma Mer. Why this is a meer Chymera indeed this was a meer deviding la pela de l'orsso the skin of a Bear yet untaken but suppose such a thing were what a number of Pick-axes and Mattoks would there not be requisite to dig up that golden branch After which I pray you how should it be gotten thence unlesse a man could by some mysticall conjuration or by the strength of his faith remove that same Mountaine However had Gustavus had as much faith as a graine of Mustard-seed he would have removed the said Dishington from England and caused him to be hanged at Stock-holm after the many favours he had conferred on him whereof the late Duke Hamilton and severall other eminent persons of the English Nation being witnesses did admire but at length the said King found himselfe to be cheated by the said Sir Tho. who had no less then fifteen thousand Dollers given him by the said King for the discovery of his pretended secret as Mr. Ailsberry the Minister of the English Church at Hamborough full well knoweth Freez And must I all this while keepe my peace wrapt up in a Coat at which you have so much carpt O yea wise men of Gotam could not you all this while procure unto your selves the discovery of that secret which a Spanish second Anthonio Peres manifested to the Duke of Buckingham that white faced man whom the Spaniards conceived to be the person with gray Eyes and of whom the Indians that can make Gold by their secret way of production believe a prophecie viz. How that there shall come amongst them a Nation with Flaxen haire white faces and grey Eyes who shall enjoy Kellies secret at which time the leaves of the Trees in that Land shall be as Gold And these are the words in that Remonstrance which you speake of Sirra Captain Moreover I can tell you now that the Spaniard who revealed the said secret unto the Duke of Buckingham was for his paines poysoned by the King of Spaines black Fovourite And to the end that ye may heare see and know I can speake of other guess things besides greene Cheese and Freeze-landers Mares know you also sirra Captain that it is but too manifest that in former ages there were Seekers as well as in this but which of the two were the wisest Seekers there is the question So likewise are there sundry propounders some will goe about to Cozen and others that mean well let me tell you that if so be Sir Water Rawley Cavendish and Sir William Waller had not been interrupted they might have found But as for such a Seeker as Disshington was he might have sought to all eternity and as then be as far to seek as ever for he that holds not Lands in Capite and he as the Italian saith that hath there Camera Locante will be far to seek although he should have Parret-like learned a speech to fore-stall the glorious advantages of making towards such maine ones for to make that sure and for to transporr Colonyes thither to which purpose fine things are invented to amuse people withall especially such as will be Cozened according unto the saying volenti non fit injuria for that such things are easily swallowed if so be they are finely gilded Disshington he aimed at a designe to intrap some great persons on a pretence to transport a Colonie but the question is whether he had so much honestie and