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A47144	A Farther account of the great divisions among the Quakers in Pensilvania, &c. as appears by another of their books lately come over from thence, intituled, Some reasons and causes of the late separation, that hath come to pass at Philadelphia, betwixt us, called by some of the seperate meeting, and others that meet apart from us : more particularly opened, to vindicate and clear us and our testimony in that repsect, viz. : that the seperation lieth at their door, and they, and not we, are justly chargeable with it : with an apology for the present publication of these things.	Budd, Thomas, 1648-1699.; Furnis, Henry.; Keith, George, 1639?-1716.	1693 (1693)	Wing K166; ESTC R16901	19,794	24

come to be a just Apology to us for the Vindication of Truth and the sincere Doctrine of Christ that is greatly reviled in divers great and weighty particulars particularly the Doctrine of Christ's being in Heaven in the true Nature of Man and Substance of the Seed of Abraham and David which he took of the Virgin according to which he is called the Seed of the Woman that shoud bruise the Head of the Serpent and which was promised to Man immediately after the Fall and the Faith of him and in him as such its being necessary to our perfect Justification and Salvation His Coming again and Appearing without us to judge the Quick and the Dead in the appointed Time that approacheth and the Resurrection of the Dead and Day of Judgment when all Mankind shall stand before the Son of Man It is dreadful and astonishing to think what Uomit and Filth some of late have cast out against these precious Doctrines and Testimonies of Truth some calling them Popery some Presbyterian and Baptist's Principles but we must not reject all that either Papists or Presbyterians or Baptists profess in words and which our Charity obligeth us to judge that some among them really and sincerely believe as that there is one God and one Lord Jesus Christ and one holy Spirit and many other good and wholsom parts of Christian Doctrine but the greater is the Shame and the Offence and Stumbling-block is the greater in the way of many that divers plain and first Principles of Christ's Doctrine owned by all Christendom or at least for the most part should be either denied or questioned by any among us that make so high Pretences to the Spirit of Christ and yet are so ignorant of the Doctrine of Christ whereas the Spirit of Christ leadeth all who have it to believe and own Christ's Doctrine and honourably and worthily to esteem of it and the true Witnesses of it where ever it is preached And concerning Christ's Coming and Appearance without us even the Man Christ Jesus in his glorified Nature and Body that is not the Godhead but the Temple of it in the Time appointed that is nearer at hand than many are aware of which will be very dreadful to all the Workers of Iniquity and especially to all Unbelievers that do not believe that he will ever so appear although the Scripture Testimony is very full and plain thereto and will be very refreshing and full of Comfort to all that believe in him and believe and wait for him that he will so appear and that the time hasteneth We Warn all not to make light of it for it is a great and necessary Doctrine of the Christian Faith highly conducing to true Christian Piety and Godliness that he will come again and appear without us to judge the Quick and the Dead lest they be found among such and numbred with them concerning whom he spoke with relation to that very time when he should so come to raise the Dead and judge the World Luke 18.8 Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh shall be find Faith on the Earth Some Reasons and Causes of the late Separation here at Philadelphia THE first cause of the Separation betwixt them and us was this That at a Monthly Meeting held at Philadelphia the 29th of the 11th Month last T having openly in the face of the Meeting accused G. K. for denying the Sufficiency of the Light and promising to bring his Evidence the next Monthly Meeting or then that he would acknowledge he had done amiss And at the next Monthly Meeting being required to give his Evidence he brought W who was known to be a prejudiced person against G. K. and so could be no sufficient Evidence against him besides that divers were present at the Place and Time where and when W alledged he heard G. K. deny the Sufficiency of the Light c. that cleared him That they heard him both then and at all occasions that he delivered his Mind on that Subject always bear Testimony to the Sufficiency of the Light to Salvation And at the said Meeting being the 26th of the 12th Month T having said in the Meeting in Answer to a Question put to him by G.K. That he had not learned that Lesson whether the Body of Christ that was nailed to the Cross crucified buried rose and ascended c. was the Godhead or somewhat that Christ took of the Virgin At which man● were greatly oftended to find him so ignorant having been so l●●g a Preacher And after much discourse about these Matte●s the M●eting did adjourn with unanimous Consent of them that staid which was the far greatest part and also with the consent of T himself and these who went away before the adjourning of it said nothing against it nor was the Meeting understood to be broke up before the adjournment only some few did go away it being cold Weather and growing dark the adjourning of the said Monthly Meeting was to the next Day about the 8th Hour at which time they met in the School-house where the Meeting used to be kept at times in the Winter Season And after much discourse concerning T in the said Meeting he being required to prove his Charge and to condemn his great Ignorance and Unbelief but refusing to do either though he said publickly in the Meeting If he did not prove his Charge against the next Monthly Meeting he would acknowledge his Errour and yet did neither and going away from the Meeting the Friends of the Meeting some that were present that were not in the Profession of Truth removing at the desire of Friends did give a unanimous Judgment concerning T. a true Copy whereof here after followeth And the said Judgment being desired by Friends that gave it to be recorded in the Monthly Meeting Book at the next Quarterly Meeting that happened within a few days after a Party in the Meeting did withstand it and denied them that gave Judgment to be a true Monthly Meeting and consequently their Judgment was void And by this it plainly appeareth the Breach was on their side for there is no Equity or Reason why they having denied us to be a Meeting that we should own them seeing we were really a Meeting lawfully adjourned consisting of at least Sixty Persons most of which used to keep Monthly Meetings and owned to be Friends in the same Profession with them And at the same Monthly Meeting on the Sixth Day W. an antient Preacher having renewed his former Accusation against G. K. charging him openly in the face of the Meeting That he Preached Two Christs because he Preached Faith in Christ within and in Christ without us c. and on the next day at the Meeting adjourned he being sent for by the Meeting to make his Charge good or else condemn his Ignorance and Error but he refusing to come the Meeting did also give a unanimous Judgment concerning him not one Dissenting in either of the

when Achan had Transgressed in the Camp of Israel and had hid the accursed thing the Anger of the Lord was kindled against them until he was discovered and Judgment executed against him And seeing it is so that many evil and hurtful Opinions that are as poysonous Weeds have had too much place among us but have so secretly lurked under Ground and yet have brought forth bad Fruit above Ground for it is the Nature of Errors in Doctrine to produce Errors of Practice and evil Conversation of Life that we did not know that such bad Fruits did spring from such bad Principles of Doctrine that were held by them but we did rather impute them to some other Cause than to Ignorance or Error in Judgment We have great cause to rejoyce and bless God that his Light hath made this Discovery among us for the Light discovereth Darkness as well of Errour and Unbelief in relation to Doctrine as in matters of bad Conversation And we are fully perswaded that it is an infallible sign of that approching Glory of God's blessed Day that is more abundantly to be revealed among us and in us which many of our faithful Friends have fore-told as nigh at hand and all the Faithful have much longed and waited for and continually pray for And it will have a service to bring many to Truth that have stood at a distance because of Offences and Stumbling-blocks that have been laid in their way through the Ignorance of many especially who have professed the Truth with us after some sort but have not received the true and sound Knowledge of it and too many that have presumed to preach and pray in our Meetings their way both of preaching praying hath been very offensive to many tender-hearted people by their pretending greatly to the Spirit 's Leadings and Movings when they have expressed very unsound and unsavoury words and have greatly discovered their unskilfulness in the Mystery of Christ both outwardly as he came in the Flesh died and rose again and is ascended and the great benefit of his outward Coming to men as so known and believed by them and as inwardly revealed so that many who have come to our Meetings have been as a hungry Child that greatly needed the Breast and thirsted for the sincere Milk of the Word having heard a great Noise of it but when they came to suck they did not find that which answered their desire and went away dissatisfied and the Breast it self was so daubed over with what was unpleasant to them as Mustard or Chimney-Sout is to the Mouth or Taste of a Sucking Child But God having so ordered it by his great Love that by his marvellous Providence discovering these things that hath been a long and great hurt and hindrance to the prevailing of Truth among us and causing his Light to spring up more clearly among us that Christ and the Faith of him both without us and within us is sincerely and powerfully preached by some of God's raising up among us more clearly and fully than many have formerly known although the Doctrine is the same in matter and substance that the most faithful and foundest Friends and Brethren have all along held from the beginning and we are infallibly assured this present Exercise that is at present so heavy and grievous to many honest hearted for want of a through discerning and understanding the Mind and Counsel of God therein and his blessed Purpose for the advancement of his Truth shall greatly tend to their Comfort in due time and to the Comfort of many to raise them up to give Glory to God with high Praises in their Hearts and Mouths for what he hath begun to do and will finish and perfect in his own time for the Exaltation of his own Name and the Name of his dear Son that the Mystery of him even that great Mystery of Godliness which is Christ come in the Flesh and God manifest in the Flesh even in that Body of Flesh through Death to reconcile us unto God with the blessed Effects and Fruits of it inwardly witnessed by the Revelation of him in us may be yet more gloriously revealed that the Souls and Hearts of many may be affected with the same and overcome therewith to love him and live to him who died for them and rose again and to love God and live to God through him in all holy Obedience who gave him freely unto them And though the Adversaries of Truth may for a small time rejoyce a little and seem to be gratified and strengthned in their Enmity against Truth and the sincere Lovers and Professors of it so as even to seem to glory over them yet after a little time their joy will be turned into sorrow and their great glorying and seeming gratifyings into Discontents and Frettings when they shall be made to see and acknowledge the Hand of the Lord in all these things to their great Amazement and Disappointment for the good of all that love him and the Exaltation of his Name and promoting Truth and Righteousness in the Earth that his Kingdom may come in greater Power and Glory and his Will may be done on Earth as it is in Heaven And as for all such who are by a false Spirit acted to Prophecy false things concerning us and to pronounce Woes against us and our present Work and Testimony as if both it and we should fall and come to nothing as some have done Our Faith and Trust is in God and our Dependance and Reliance is on him whose we are and whom we serve and for whose Glory and Honour we are zealously concerned in this present Service with true Humility of Mind and earnest Prayer unto God that he will preserve and strengthen us to the end and make our Almond Rods to bud and blossom while others that resist the Truth of our Testimony will wither for of a Truth God is with us and on our side whose blessed Power and Presence we feel to encourage and strengthen us and therefore let such who gain-say the Truth of our Testimony and from a rash head-strong and wilful Spirit make opposition to the same take heed what they do lest they be found Fighters against God for what is of God will stand let ever so many high and bold Pretenders to that which they are not real Professors contradict it and lest that be fulfilled concerning them that is written Acts 13.41 Behold ye Despisers and wonder and perish for I work a Work in your Days a Work which ye shall in no wise believe though a man declare it unto you compared with Hab. 1.5 And further the false Reports and Rumors that are already spread abroad concerning us by many laying all fault upon us of this present Breach and Division and loading not only us but the Truth it self with many false and bitter Aspertions Reflections and Calumnies will be cause enough we hope to all impartial people to whose hands this shall

been of late betwixt one against another before not only many called Quakers but some others that never were of that Profession that concerning several Fundamental and Principal Doctrines of Christian Faith as first Whether we are only to believe in Chr●st the Light within us or whether we are to believe both in Christ within us as he is Light and Life and also in Christ without us as he died for our sins rose again and is Ascended as he was that great Sacrifice of Attonement for our sins and is our high Priest and Mediator and Advocate with the Father for us in Heaven 2dly Whether to preach Faith in Christ within and Faith in Christ without us be to Preach Two Christs or one only Christ Jesus the Measure of Christ within us and the Fullness of Christ without us in the Man Chr●st Jesus be●ng One Lord Jesus Christ as the Light of the Sun that is in the Body of the Sun in fullness and the measures of it that come into our Eyes are but one Light and one Sun and as the Life that is in the Root and Branches of a Tree is but one Life the fullness being in the Root and the measures in the Branches 3dly Whether it be a Doctrine necessary to be preached and believed to make a Christian viz. throughly and intirely in all necessary parts to believe in Christ without us as he is true and perfect God and true and perfect Man c. 4thly Whether Christ hath now any thing in Heaven that he had not before the World was or Whether Christ's Body that was Crucified and nailed to the Cross and was buried did rise again and is Ascended into Heaven Some questioning Whether is rose Some saying It rose but after it Ascended into the Cloud Christ was seperated from it Some saying It was no part of the Virgins Substance or of Mans Nature that Ascended in Heaven and one saying He had not yet learned that Lesson whether that which was Crucified without us was tho Godhead or some-what that he took of the Virgin others saying This is a Nicety and to be ignorant of such a thing or not to believe such a thing doth not hinder but that a Man may be a true Christian and a Minister of Christ 5thly Some accusing and charging some of their Brethren as dividing Christ because they Preach Faith in Christ both without us in Fullness and within us in the Measure Others justly charging them That they who preach only Christ as within do divide Christ in a false and wrong Notion of him 6thly Some accusing their Brethren for denying the Sufficiency of the Light within to Salvation because they preach That the Sufficiency of the Light within is not to be set up in Opposition to the Sufficiency of the Man Christ without us in whom the Fullness is as if the Measure within us were the whole Saviour excluding the MAN CHRIST without us and also because they distinguish betwixt the first Ministration of Light common to all Mankind and the second that is peculiar and special only to true Christians or such who have the Faith of Christ crucified c. revealed to them both these Ministrations with all other diversity of Operations and Gifts coming from one God one Lord and one Spirit who is over all through all and in all Ephes 4.6 And also because they cannot set up the present Measure of Light and Grace to be sufficient for all time to come but exhort Men to Wait and Pray in the help of the present Measure of Grace received to receive more Grace from him who hath the fullness of it even the Man Christ Jesus And lastly that they cannot set up the Sufficiency of the Light within in opposition to the necessary and great outward Helps and Means of Salvation such as the holy Scriptures and Preaching and Teaching of Faithful Men. And beside these great Questions and Disputes that have happened among us there have been others concerning the Resurrection of the Dead and Day of Judgement as Whether the Saints have got the Resurrection of the Body already or Wheth●r they get it immediately after Death or VVhether they wait for it generally unto Christs coming and VVhether Christ is to come without us to judge the Quick and the Dead and VVhether there is any Day of Judgment beyond the Grave and VVhether there is any great and general Day of Judgment that the Deceased are in Expectation of And this is but a hint of these things that have been in Question and Debate among us here-away in Pensilvania and VVest-Jersey c. to which many other great and weigthy things of Christian Faith and Doctrine do so necessarily relate that they stand or fall together And it is no small Grief and Wound to us to find some so little concerned about these things as if they were not so material as to cause any just Seperation or Breach of Fellowship when we know that for less Errors many of us have seperated from other Professions and we cannnot but declare before the World our Godly Zeal moveth us to a holy Impatience that we cannot longer bear some of us having born the weight of these things for many Months such gross Ignorance and Unbelief and gross Errors tending to the denying the Lord that bought us and making Void his Death and Sufferings without bearing witness against them who either hold them or support defend them and we are convinced perswaded in our Consciences that God calleth us to seperate from such Unbelievers and not to be yoked together in Church-Fellowship and Discipline with any that we have not Proof of by Confession of the Mouth that they are sound in Faith touching these necessary and Fundamental parts of Christian Doctrine as well as that their Conversation is such as becometh the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ And we have been so much grieved with the Confusion and Disorder that hath lately happened in our Meetings because of these things more like Babylon than a Church of Christ that we have great Clearness and Peace in the Lord to retire and seperate from such disorderly Walkers and Talkers as we have formerly done from other Professions to meet together in the Name of Christ having the true Faith of him and of his Promise To be spiritually present in the midst of us and to wait upon him and be refreshed and edified whether in silence or any living Testimony of words that God shall be pleased to enable any among us to bring forth Yet we design not any Separation from our Faithful Brethren here or any where else in any part of the World for we declare we are one with all our Faithful Brethren in all parts of the World both in Spirit Doctrine and Practice of true Christianity and we faithfully believe that our Faith in all things doth well agree to our faithful Brethren every where and is the real sound and upright Faith as it hath been received not only by Antient Christians in all Ages of the World but also by the most sound Antient and present Friends of Truth called in scorn Quakers And we altogether deny and disown to be called the Disciples or Proselites of Man or Men being spiritually baptized into no other Name than that of Christ Jesus who was Crucified for us and rose again and whose Disciples and Followers we only desire to be and to follow none but as they follow him A Quantity of the foregoing with another of their Books Intituled The Plea of the Innocent c. Being sent over for Sale which the chief Quakers here having notice of bought them all up in order to stifle them which occasions their Re-printing here in England this 9th of January 1692 3. FINIS