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A30538 A returne to the ministers of London by way of answer to their seasonable exhortations, (so called) directed to their congregations : with sober reproof sent unto them, because of their secret smitings against the despised people called Quakers, whom they have secretly reproached in their said exhortation ... / by E.B. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1660 (1660) Wing B6021; ESTC R22000 22,747 32

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now cry up another and thus it is very evident that the guilt of breach of Oaths Covenants lies neer unto your selves which indeed opens the mouth of iniquity for the very Cavaliers and Prelates say you were once strict in your way but now you have struck hands with them and are now your selves doing that which you cryed out against in them And thousands in this Nation is abated in their affections from your Church and Ministry as knowing them to be upon a false Foundation and to be of Babylon and not of the Heavenly Ierusalem And what do you mean by severe punishment of professors do you mean to set up Ecclesiastical lawes again and that all must be forced to your Church way and Religion is it in your hearts to drive the Nation by force and if they will not to punish them with fire and faggot and prisons If this be your meaning as may justly be supposed it is the Lord deliver the Nation from you this is not the way to gain the credit of Religion but the further you go on in this way as you have formerly walked in the more will your Profession and Religion stink in the nostrils of all good men Your fourth Evidence is Immensity boundless liberty permitted assumed freely practised by many to write print and publish all manner of blasphemies and opinions c. the sad and woful effects thereof appears in many some being in Apostacy others in luke-warmnesse and much decay in the power of godlinesse c. Answ. As I have acknowledged there are without doubt many errors blasphemies and false oppinions extant in this Nation both written published and maintained but upon whom and what sort of men this can truly be charged this is very doubtful to many and your charge being onely general no particular answer can well be given only it appears you would have none to write print and publish but your selves or by your consent and you would tye the Nation up in the bondage of your own spirits and you would be the only Judges of blasphemies and errors but that we allow not for enemies must not be Judges and it is very possible that such is your darknesse that you may call truth error and error truth in some particulars but if you shall instance any particular Doctrines Blasphemies Errors and Opinions published and maintained in my next I shall freely give my witness against them if they be really so and against the people that holds them as well as your selves more particularly I cannot now say and there is indeed woeful and sad effects of errors brought forth in this Nation and many are in the Apostacy from the truth and in the luke-warmness also and the power of Godliness is decayed and they have the Forme and holds that without the Power your selves may do well and your Congregations also to search your own hearts by the spirit of the Lord in this case that the guilty may see and turn unto the Lord that his wrath come not upon them Your fift Evidence is Sabbath Prophanation both in Opinion and Practice grown to a greater height than ever formerly the Iewes Sabbath cryed up instead of the Christian Shops opened upon the Lords day yea some working the works of their ordinary callings in knitting and sowing of garments in our Assemblies even in the Pulpits in the time of Gods publike worship c. Answ. This remains doutful to many what the true Sabbath is and whether the Lord doth require of this generation the observing one day above another and if so what day it is that he requires the observing of as for the 7th day of the week we know that the Lord commanded the Iewes to keep as a Sabbath and to rest But that was never commanded to the Gentiles and as for the first day of the week which is called the Christians Sabbath that is doubtful to many whether God commands and requires the observation of that day by the gentile believers yea or nay seeing that there is neither command nor binding example for it through out the Scriptures if there be any I do desire that you would shew it in your next and by what authority whether from men or from Heaven the first day of the week is now kept by you as your Sabbath for really many are doubtful in this case and you would do very well if you have a command from God or example from his servants in former ages to discover so much unto the people And as for your calling it the Lords day it is certaine every day is his and not one day more then another and as for shops opening and such things as you mention though every one that do such things may not be justified in the doing of it yet such a thing in it self may be justified if the spirit of the Lord moves unto it and who shall limit the Lord And why may not others labour in their ordinary callings that day as well as you in your ordinary callings I mean your ordinary calling of preaching that it is an ordinary calling it is certaine because you deny any extrordinary calling in these dayes and so I only query this why others may not follow their ordinary callings as well as you for it hath been affirmed very lately by some that preaching was a trade and a function for men to get a living by and we do not question but there are many now in this Nation called Ministers that do preach for that end and would cease to preach if money and tithes were ceased to be given them I speak this of some not of all which doth demonstrate that the way of your preaching is an ordinary calling which you labour in on your Sabbath day Your sixth Evidence is the powring out by many of all sects with a full mouth all manner of obloquy and contempt upon Ministry and Ministers of the Gospel openly interrupting them in the excercise of their duty whereby they are discouraged in their work while they are represented under the notion of Baals Priests Gehazaes pulpited divines distributers of Sundaies Doses Simonions Decimating Clergy common Incendiaries c. Answ. It is certain that the true Ministry and Ministers of the Gospel were in all ages and now are contemned and despised and all manner of evill spoken against them for the name of Christ But whether you are those true Ministers of the Gospel and your Ministry the true Ministry sent of Christ this is doubtful to many and by many particulars which might be instanced the contrary doth appear The Ministers of Christ in the daies of the Apostles they never complained of being interrupted for they were haled before Rulers and commanded to preach no more in that name and yet they were not discouraged thereby in their work nor when they were called movers of sedition and deceivers and such reproachful names they regarded not these things but as for you you seem to