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no_o more_o but_o this_o election_n it_o seem_v it_o must_v needs_o be_v that_o this_o be_v the_o whole_a and_o yet_o here_o this_o be_v deny_v but_o let_v we_o hear_v the_o reason_n of_o this_o denial_n 1._o because_o by_o the_o imposition_n of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n timothy_n be_v make_v a_o minister_n 1_o timothy_n 4._o 14._o answ_n the_o text_n be_v not_o by_o the_o imposition_n of_o their_o hand_n but_o with_o it_o not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o be_v note_v afore_o out_o of_o didoclavius_n altar_n damascen_n p._n 161._o who_o also_o show_v in_o the_o same_o place_n at_o large_a that_o this_o imposition_n of_o hand_n upon_o timothy_n be_v only_o for_o a_o testimonall_a of_o the_o approbation_n of_o his_o call_n and_o for_o a_o ceremony_n use_v in_o commend_v he_o to_o god_n in_o their_o prayer_n and_o in_o asmuch_o as_o the_o office_n of_o timothy_n be_v the_o office_n of_o a_o evangelist_n how_o can_v a_o ordinary_a 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fuisse_fw-la etc._n etc._n he_o may_v more_o right_o say_v it_o be_v a_o rite_n and_o gesture_n of_o one_o that_o pray_v show_v the_o person_n for_o who_o he_o do_v implore_v grace_n rather_o than_o to_o call_v it_o a_o efficacious_a part_n of_o prayer_n where_o we_o plain_o see_v that_o he_o count_v this_o imposition_n of_o hand_n on_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n no_o ordain_v of_o they_o to_o the_o office_n as_o some_o papist_n and_o it_o seem_v mr._n rutherford_n will_v have_v it_o but_o only_o a_o rite_n or_o gesture_n use_v when_o the_o presbytery_n commend_v paul_n and_o barnabas_n to_o god_n by_o prayer_n this_o author_n of_o altar_n damascenam_fw-la also_o add_v cum_fw-la assumendi_fw-la erant_fw-la levitae_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v when_o the_o levite_n be_v to_o be_v take_v from_o among_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n the_o lord_n command_v that_o they_o shall_v be_v bring_v before_o jehovaâ—_n and_o that_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n shall_v lay_v their_o hand_n upon_o the_o 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for_o of_o itself_o it_o be_v not_o evident_a that_o where_o â—ver_o there_o be_v power_n to_o rebuke_v there_o be_v power_n of_o excommunication_n also_o the_o contrary_n i_o suppose_v be_v evident_a from_o that_o which_o have_v already_o be_v say_v from_o levit._n 19_o 17._o and_o luke_n 17._o 3._o and_o from_o many_o other_o scripture_n and_o reason_n which_o show_v that_o one_o man_n alone_o have_v power_n to_o rebuke_v who_o can_v for_o that_o be_v conclude_v to_o have_v any_o power_n of_o excommunication_n i_o know_v the_o learned_a mâ—n_z be_v copious_a in_o prove_v from_o the_o word_n of_o verse_n 24._o certain_a man_n go_v from_o we_o and_o have_v trouble_v you_o with_o word_n subvert_v your_o soul_n etc._n etc._n that_o this_o assembly_n do_v not_o only_o in_o a_o doctrinal_a way_n confute_v the_o false_a opinion_n and_o doctrine_n of_o these_o teacher_n of_o
of_o the_o great_a necessity_n of_o discipline_n then_o of_o sacrament_n his_o word_n be_v these_o there_o be_v no_o such_o moral_a necessity_n of_o sacrament_n as_o there_o be_v of_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o word_n and_o consequent_o of_o the_o use_n of_o the_o key_n where_o a_o scandalous_a person_n may_v infect_v the_o lord_n flock_n for_o where_o vision_n cease_v the_o people_n perish_v but_o it_o be_v never_o say_v where_o baptism_n cease_v the_o people_n perish_v pag._n 455._o answ_n how_o shall_v we_o be_v sure_a that_o by_o vision_n prov._n 26._o 18._o be_v mean_v discipline_n yea_o discipline_n not_o in_o a_o large_a sense_n as_o comprehend_v general_o all_o order_n and_o behaviour_n concern_v a_o church_n and_o outward_a duty_n therein_o but_o discipline_n strict_o take_v for_o administration_n of_o censure_n for_o of_o this_o be_v one_o question_n how_o i_o say_v shall_v we_o be_v sure_a that_o by_o vision_n be_v mean_v this_o discipline_n the_o usual_a expositor_n tremeliâ—â—_n and_o junius_n 〈…〉_z and_o other_o do_v expound_v the_o same_o of_o the_o preach_a and_o dispense_n of_o the_o word_n make_v no_o mention_n at_o all_o of_o discipline_n as_o mean_v thereby_o and_o the_o 〈◊〉_d branch_n of_o the_o verse_n he_o â—hat_n keep_v the_o law_n be_v bless_v do_v â—hew_v that_o by_o vision_n in_o the_o former_a branch_n be_v mean_v the_o law_n or_o doctrine_n or_o word_n of_o god_n and_o if_o the_o scripture_n do_v not_o sâ—y_v where_o baptism_n cease_v the_o people_n perish_v yet_o neither_o do_v it_o say_v where_o administration_n of_o censure_n cease_v the_o people_n perish_v and_o therefore_o no_o necessity_n of_o censure_n above_o sacrament_n can_v be_v conclude_v hence_o uncalled_a minister_n in_o case_n of_o necessity_n without_o ordination_n or_o call_n from_o a_o presbytery_n may_v preach_v and_o take_v on_o they_o the_o holy_a ministry_n and_o exercise_n power_n of_o jurisdiction_n because_o of_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o soul_n of_o a_o congregation_n in_o a_o remote_a island_n require_v so_o answ_n if_o they_o may_v do_v these_o thing_n without_o ordination_n as_o for_o my_o part_n i_o deny_v it_o not_o so_o that_o the_o election_n or_o consent_n of_o the_o congregation_n be_v not_o wanâ—ing_v for_o that_o i_o suppose_v may_v be_v a_o good_a part_n of_o a_o outward_a calling_n than_o i_o demand_v whether_o one_o minister_n alone_o may_v not_o thus_o do_v i_o mean_v whether_o one_o alone_o may_v not_o in_o the_o case_n propose_v take_v on_o he_o the_o holy_a ministry_n and_o preach_v the_o word_n as_o a_o minister_n if_o many_o may_v do_v it_o than_o i_o suppose_v there_o be_v no_o question_n but_o one_o may_v do_v it_o much_o rather_o and_o if_o so_o than_o i_o demand_v further_o whether_o such_o a_o single_a minister_n may_v not_o also_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n to_o such_o a_o congregation_n i_o suppose_v it_o can_v be_v deny_v for_o if_o he_o lawful_o take_v on_o he_o the_o ministry_n and_o preach_v as_o a_o minister_n what_o shall_v hinder_v but_o he_o may_v also_o baptise_v and_o minister_v the_o lord_n supper_n and_o if_o he_o may_v thus_o do_v than_o i_o demand_v last_o whether_o this_o single_a minister_n may_v also_o administer_v discipline_n and_o censure_n in_o that_o congregation_n if_o he_o may_v then_o either_o the_o power_n of_o those_o censure_n must_v be_v in_o himself_o alone_o or_o in_o the_o congregation_n also_o in_o himself_o alone_a it_o can_v be_v because_o censure_n must_v be_v dispense_v by_o a_o church_n and_o one_o man_n alone_o can_v be_v a_o church_n if_o it_o be_v in_o the_o congregation_n also_o then_o here_o be_v a_o power_n of_o excommunication_n or_o other_o censure_n even_o in_o the_o people_n which_o be_v against_o our_o brother_n judgement_n if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o this_o single_a minister_n as_o long_o as_o he_o wanâ—s_v other_o minister_n join_v with_o he_o may_v not_o administer_v censure_n or_o discipline_n than_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o power_n of_o censure_n be_v not_o always_o annex_v to_o the_o ministry_n as_o a_o inseparable_a adjunct_n thereof_o nor_o be_v censure_n to_o be_v prefer_v before_o sacrament_n as_o more_o necessary_a as_o our_o brother_n will_v have_v it_o for_o as_o much_o as_o here_o be_v a_o ministry_n and_o the_o administer_a of_o sacrament_n the_o necessity_n of_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o congregation_n require_v so_o and_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o not_o any_o power_n of_o censure_n at_o all_o our_o brother_n therefore_o may_v make_v his_o choice_n whether_o he_o will_v grant_v the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n of_o discipline_n to_o be_v in_o the_o people_n or_o whether_o he_o will_v say_v the_o necessity_n of_o the_o soul_n in_o a_o congregation_n do_v require_v sacrament_n more_o than_o discipline_n for_o though_o these_o be_v both_o against_o himself_o yet_o upon_o the_o ground_n which_o himself_o do_v here_o lay_v the_o one_o of_o the_o two_o be_v unavoidable_a but_o i_o hope_v no_o necessity_n in_o any_o of_o the_o most_o extraordinary_a case_n require_v that_o a_o midwife_n may_v baptise_v or_o that_o a_o private_a man_n remain_v a_o private_a man_n may_v celebrate_v the_o lord_n supper_n to_o the_o church_n without_o any_o call_n from_o the_o church_n answ_n concern_v the_o midwife_n i_o think_v the_o same_o that_o he_o do_v and_o concern_v the_o private_a man_n i_o also_o therein_o â—â—curre_v that_o without_o call_v from_o the_o church_n he_o may_v not_o perform_v what_o here_o be_v speak_v of_o but_o here_o i_o will_v make_v this_o quare_fw-la whether_o 〈◊〉_d man_n that_o never_o be_v a_o minister_n may_v not_o as_o well_o in_o a_o extraordinary_a case_n perform_v 〈◊〉_d act_n of_o administer_a of_o baptism_n or_o the_o lord_n supper_n without_o any_o call_n from_o the_o 〈◊〉_d bytery_n or_o the_o church_n unto_o who_o the_o office_n of_o ministry_n as_o take_v on_o he_o without_o any_o such_o call_n the_o whole_a ministry_n and_o so_o preach_v and_o exercise_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n as_o a_o minister_n for_o as_o for_o the_o one_o of_o these_o our_o brother_n express_o grant_v a_o man_n mâ—y_o lawful_o take_v it_o on_o he_o without_o any_o such_o calling_n the_o necessity_n of_o the_o soul_n of_o a_o congregation_n in_o a_o island_n require_v so_o and_o if_o this_o necessity_n will_v warrant_v the_o one_o which_o be_v the_o whole_a and_o so_o the_o great_a why_o will_v it_o not_o warrant_v the_o other_o which_o be_v but_o one_o act_n and_o so_o the_o lesser_a one_o will_v think_v one_o act_n of_o dispense_n baptism_n or_o the_o supper_n be_v a_o lesser_a matter_n than_o the_o whole_a ministry_n and_o all_o the_o action_n thereof_o and_o marvel_v it_o be_v that_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o soul_n of_o a_o congregation_n shall_v warrant_v this_o which_o be_v the_o great_a and_o yet_o the_o same_o necessity_n shall_v not_o be_v sufficient_a warrant_n for_o the_o lesser_a a_o man_n calling_n be_v otherwise_o alike_o unto_o both_o that_o be_v have_v a_o outward_a call_n to_o neither_o himself_o do_v sometime_o reason_n thus_o if_o we_o give_v to_o believer_n that_o be_v not_o in_o office_n one_o pastoral_a act_n we_o may_v with_o the_o like_a weight_n of_o reason_n give_v they_o all_o peaceable_a plea_n page_n 272._o now_o if_o this_o reason_n be_v good_a from_o one_o act_n to_o all_o why_o be_v no_o this_o as_o good_a from_o all_o to_o any_o one_o or_o to_o some_o one_o and_o why_o may_v we_o not_o in_o like_a manner_n argue_v thus_o if_o person_n uncalled_a may_v without_o ordination_n or_o call_n take_v on_o they_o the_o whole_a ministry_n why_o may_v not_o person_n uncalled_a without_o ordination_n or_o call_n take_v on_o they_o to_o baptise_v or_o minister_v the_o supper_n not_o that_o i_o think_v such_o a_o practice_n to_o be_v lawful_a but_o only_o i_o intend_v to_o make_v quaere_fw-la about_o the_o validity_n of_o our_o brother_n kind_n of_o argue_v yea_o it_o be_v elsewhere_o his_o argue_v that_o it_o person_n not_o in_o office_n of_o ministry_n may_v execute_v censure_n and_o discipline_n they_o may_v then_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n for_o say_v he_o what_o hinder_v by_o this_o reason_n but_o they_o may_v also_o without_o minister_n preach_v and_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n peaceable_a plea_n page_n 196._o yea_o say_v he_o i_o sâ—e_v not_o but_o with_o a_o like_a warrant_n private_a man_n may_v administer_v the_o sacrament_n vbi_fw-la supra_fw-la page_n 196._o this_o we_o see_v be_v his_o argue_v elsewhere_o and_o yet_o in_o the_o place_n we_o have_v in_o hand_n he_o grant_v that_o person_n uncalled_a may_v in_o case_n of_o necessity_n without_o ordination_n or_o call_n take_v on_o they_o the_o ministry_n in_o general_a and_o in_o particular_a may_v exercise_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n and_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o he_o say_v that_o no_o
diocesan_n trial_n page_n 16._o then_o a_o must_v be_v grant_v that_o not_o only_o 3000_o but_o a_o great_a number_n even_o 50â—0_n at_o least_o may_v hear_v the_o word_n at_o once_o and_o if_o so_o then_o 5000_o member_n in_o the_o church_n at_o jerusalem_n will_v not_o prove_v plurality_n of_o congregation_n in_o one_o church_n forasmuch_o as_o here_o be_v 5000_o people_n and_o yet_o no_o more_o congregation_n but_o one_o but_o alas_o this_o be_v a_o great_a uncertainty_n for_o independent_a congregation_n but_o this_o be_v to_o be_v prove_v first_o that_o 8000_o mr._n mather_n have_v not_o add_v many_o other_o multitude_n mention_v act_v 5._o 14._o &_o 6._o 17._o do_v meet_v daily_o in_o the_o temple_n second_o daily_a or_o ordinary_o from_o house_n to_o house_n three_o to_o celebrate_v the_o lord_n supper_n daily_o in_o the_o temple_n and_o in_o every_o private_a house_n and_o there_o be_v need_n of_o many_o scaffold_n and_o gallery_n to_o sit_v at_o one_o table_n four_o to_o 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