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A90063 Irenicum; or, An essay towards a brotherly peace & union, between those of the congregational and presbyterian way; shewing out of the most learned and renowned divines of the congregational way, that their positions concerning 1. Church matters and members. 2. Church constitution and form. 3. Church state. 4. Church officers and ordination. 5. Church government and censures. 6. Church combinations and synods. 7. Communion with and separation from churches. are sufficient for the establishing a firme and lasting peace between them and the Presbyterians ... In pursuance of the good design begun at the Savoy, where it was agreed, and declared, that such reforming churches as consist of persons sound in the faith, and of conversation becoming the Gospel, ought not to refuse the communion of each other ... Drawn up and published by Discipulus de Tempore Junior. Newcomen, Matthew, 1610?-1669.; D. T. 1659 (1659) Wing N910; Thomason E978_1; ESTC R202985 58,516 89

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unregenerate_a person_n ought_v to_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o church_n answ_n that_o text_n be_v a_o part_n of_o the_o description_n of_o the_o pure_a church_n of_o the_o jew_n after_o their_o last_o conversion_n call_v the_o new_a jerusalem_n by_o the_o condition_n of_o such_o proselyte_n as_o from_o among_o the_o nation_n shall_v enter_v into_o fellowship_n with_o they_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v profane_a person_n corrupter_n and_o defiler_n of_o other_o nor_o maker_n of_o image_n which_o be_v abomination_n and_o lie_n and_o that_o the_o description_n agree_v to_o infant_n though_o unregenerate_a as_o well_o as_o to_o other_o mr._n cotton_n of_o infant_n bapt_v p._n 133._o l._n 24._o quest_n 4._o but_o be_v there_o not_o more_o require_v to_o church-membership_a then_o that_o a_o man_n be_v neither_o ignorant_a nor_o scandalous_a be_v there_o not_o positive_a holiness_n require_v why_o else_o be_v the_o member_n of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n so_o frequent_o call_v saint_n answ_n saint_n by_o external_a call_n as_o distinct_a from_o saint_n by_o internal_a call_n be_v the_o true_a matter_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n mr._n hooker_n survey_v of_o discipline_n part_v 1._o pag._n 21._o line_n 28._o quest_n 5._o who_o then_o be_v saint_n by_o external_a call_n answ_n there_o be_v three_o sort_n of_o holiness_n one_o by_o imputation_n from_o christ_n a_o second_o by_o regeneration_n from_o the_o spirit_n a_o three_o by_o separation_n to_o god_n and_o his_o worship_n and_o to_o participation_n of_o the_o ordinance_n through_o the_o covenant_n many_o enjoy_v this_o last_o holiness_n though_o they_o do_v not_o enjoy_v the_o two_o former_a mr._n cotton_n of_o infant_n baptism_n p._n 125._o line_n 1._o and_o they_o may_v be_v holy_a by_o covenant_n who_o be_v not_o yet_o holy_a by_o the_o spirit_n of_o regeneration_n ibid._n pag._n 67._o line_n 30._o and_o they_o with_o ho_o believe_v with_o temporary_a or_o historical_a faith_n only_o may_v be_v holy_a by_o covenant_n ibid._n line_n 28._o and_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n be_v holy_a because_o it_o give_v right_a to_o holy_a privilege_n and_o denominate_v they_o holy_a whether_o person_n family_n or_o nation_n nation_n holy_a by_o covenant_n therefore_o church_n those_o who_o god_n call_v to_o such_o covenant_n with_o himself_o mr._n cotton_n of_o infant_n bapt_v for_o it_o separate_v they_o from_o other_o people_n and_o set_v they_o apart_o to_o the_o lord_n and_o his_o holy_a worship_n as_o it_o be_v deut._n 7.6_o 7_o 8._o ibid._n pag._n 111._o line_n 11._o quest_n 6._o but_o can_v any_o be_v say_v to_o be_v in_o or_o belong_v unto_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n but_o those_o that_o be_v in_o the_o state_n of_o grace_n answ_n there_o be_v a_o twofold_a state_n of_o grace_n one_o adherent_a which_o some_o not_o unfit_o call_v federal_a grace_n sanctify_v to_o the_o purify_n of_o the_o flesh_n heb_fw-mi 9.13_o the_o other_o inherent_a sanctify_v the_o inward_a man_n and_o of_o this_o there_o be_v two_o sort_n one_o whereby_o person_n in_o covenant_n be_v sanctify_v by_o common_a grace_n which_o make_v they_o serviceable_a and_o useful_a in_o their_o calling_n as_o judas_n demas_n and_o such_o like_a hypocrite_n and_o according_a to_o this_o fence_n may_v we_o not_o say_v saint_n saul_n saint_n demas_n saint_n judas_n and_o that_o the_o church_n make_v up_o of_o such_o as_o these_o be_v a_o church_n of_o saint_n the_o other_o whereby_o person_n in_o covenant_n be_v sanctify_v unto_o union_n and_o communion_n with_o christ_n mr._n cotton_n of_o infant_n baptism_n p._n 43._o l._n 16._o now_o though_o all_o that_o be_v in_o the_o church_n be_v not_o sanctify_v and_o in_o the_o state_n of_o grace_n in_o this_o last_o and_o strict_a fence_n yet_o in_o the_o two_o former_a they_o may_v quest_n 7._o but_o see_v faith_n be_v the_o condition_n of_o the_o covenant_n be_v not_o all_o who_o believe_v not_o exclude_v from_o the_o covenant_n and_o must_v they_o not_o first_o come_v to_o faith_n before_o they_o can_v come_v to_o the_o covenant_n answ_n 1._o there_o be_v no_o place_n prove_v all_o be_v exclude_v from_o the_o outward_a dispensation_n of_o the_o covenant_n but_o believer_n only_o mr._n cotton_n of_o infant_n baptism_n p._n 58._o l._n 12._o if_o the_o covenant_n be_v only_o to_o they_o that_o believe_v than_o the_o faith_n whereby_o we_o believe_v be_v not_o give_v to_o any_o by_o the_o covenant_n ibid._n p._n 62._o l._n 3._o if_o the_o church_n consist_v only_o of_o real_a saint_n then_o real_a sanctify_a grace_n be_v never_o give_v to_o any_o in_o the_o churchy_n but_o always_o in_o the_o world_n 2._o it_o be_v not_o first_o faith_n and_o then_o to_o the_o covenant_n but_o first_o the_o covenant_n and_o then_o faith_n write_v and_o wrought_v in_o the_o heart_n by_o the_o spirit_n to_o fulfil_v the_o covenant_n mr._n cotton_n f_o infant_n baptism_n page_n 54._o
of_o the_o church_n at_o the_o lord_n table_n mr._n cotton_n of_o infant_n baptism_n pag._n 134._o line_n 12._o and_o this_o he_o speak_v of_o as_o the_o perfection_n of_o the_o new_a jerusalem_n hitherto_o of_o church-state_n now_o to_o draw_v some_o brief_a position_n and_o inference_n from_o these_o particular_n 1._o the_o faithful_a congregation_n of_o england_n be_v true_a church_n of_o christ_n see_v chap._n 3._o answer_n to_o the_o first_o question_n therefore_o not_o to_o be_v depart_v from_o nor_o their_o communion_n to_o be_v desipise_v 2._o where_o word_n and_o sacrament_n be_v due_o administer_v there_o be_v a_o faithful_a congregation_n a_o true_a church_n see_v chap._n 3._o quest_n 2._o answer_v the_o first_o therefore_o such_o a_o congregation_n may_v challenge_v from_o every_o member_n of_o it_o what_o ever_o duty_n be_v owe_v to_o any_o church_n of_o christ_n 3._o the_o essence_n of_o a_o true_a church_n be_v preserve_v though_o there_o be_v find_v in_o it_o some_o 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obstinacy_n and_o heinous_a crime_n against_o the_o light_n of_o nature_n see_v chap._n 3._o answer_n to_o question_v 4._o 7._o such_o as_o be_v baptize_v in_o their_o infancy_n as_o they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v receive_v to_o full_a communion_n till_o they_o make_v profession_n of_o faith_n and_o repentance_n so_o neither_o be_v they_o to_o be_v reject_v but_o suffer_v to_o enjoy_v many_o privilege_n in_o the_o church_n as_o church-watch_n etc._n etc._n for_o their_o heal_n and_o amendment_n chap._n 3._o quest_n 5._o therefore_o the_o more_o injurious_a they_o who_o cast_v off_o some_o hundred_o of_o baptize_v once_o in_o their_o congregtion_n and_o surfer_v neither_o they_o nor_o their_o child_n to_o enjoy_v any_o more_o church-privilege_n than_o mere_a turk_n or_o heathen_n chap._n iu._n of_o church-officer_n and_o their_o ordination_n question_n 1._o what_o need_n be_v there_o of_o officer_n in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n answ_n though_o officer_n be_v not_o necessary_a to_o the_o simple_a be_v of_o church_n when_o they_o be_v call_v e._n platform_n of_o discipline_n from_o n._n e._n yet_o ordinary_o to_o their_o call_n they_o be_v and_o to_o their_o well-being_n and_o therefore_o the_o lord_n jesus_n out_o of_o his_o tender_a compassion_n have_v appoint_v and_o ordain_v officer_n which_o he_o will_v not_o have_v do_v if_o they_o have_v not_o be_v useful_a and_o needful_a for_o the_o church_n platform_n of_o discipline_n from_o new_a england_n chap._n 6._o sect_n 2._o quest_n 2._o what_o officer_n then_o have_v christ_n appoint_v and_o ordain_v in_o the_o church_n answ_n these_o officer_n be_v either_o extraordinary_a or_o ordinary_a extraordinary_a as_o apostle_n prophet_n and_o evangelist_n or_o ordinary_a as_o elder_n and_o deacon_n platform_n of_o discipline_n chap._n 6._o sect_n 3._o quest_n 3._o how_o many_o sort_n of_o elder_n have_v christ_n appoint_v in_o his_o church_n answ_n of_o elder_n who_o be_v also_o in_o scripture_n call_v bishop_n there_o be_v two_o sort_n e._n platform_n of_o discipline_n from_o n._n e._n some_o attend_v chief_o to_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o word_n as_o the_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n other_o attend_v especial_o unto_o rule_n who_o be_v therefore_o call_v ruling-elders_a platform_n of_o discipline_n chap._n 6._o sect_n 4._o quest_n 4._o have_v the_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n a_o like_a power_n in_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o word_n answ_n they_o be_v alike_o charge_v with_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n e._n platform_n of_o discipline_n from_o n._n e._n and_o the_o application_n thereof_o and_o either_o of_o they_o to_o administer_v the_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n unto_o the_o dispensation_n whereof_o they_o be_v alike_o call_v as_o also_o to_o execute_v the_o censure_n be_v a_o kind_n of_o application_n of_o the_o word_n platform_n of_o discipline_n chap._n 6._o sect_n 5._o quest_n 5._o be_v there_o any_o such_o thing_n as_o a_o outward_a call_v necessary_a to_o the_o constitute_n of_o a_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n hooker_n mr._n hooker_n answ_n 1._o it_o be_v a_o stand_n and_o a_o staple_n rule_n no_o man_n take_v this_o honour_n to_o himself_o hooker_n mr._n hooker_n but_o he_o that_o be_v call_v be_v aaron_n heb._n 5.9_o mr._n hooker_n surney_n of_o discipline_n part_n 2._o pag._n 42._o line_n 33._o 2._o without_o this_o call_v none_o can_v warrantable_o do_v any_o act_n that_o belong_v to_o any_o officer_n ibid._n pag._n 45._o line_n 28._o 3._o without_o this_o whatever_o be_v do_v in_o that_o behalf_n be_v void_a and_o of_o none_o effect_n ibid._n line_n 30._o quest_n 6._o may_v none_o then_o preach_v the_o word_n and_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n in_o the_o church_n but_o the_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n cotton_n mr._n cotton_n answ_n we_o be_v far_o from_o allow_v that_o sacrilegious_a usurpation_n of_o the_o minister_n office_n which_o we_o hear_v of_o to_o our_o grief_n to_o be_v practise_v in_o some_o place_n that_o private_a christian_n ordinary_o take_v upon_o 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himself_o do_v appropriate_v this_o and_o that_o to_o some_o person_n who_o he_o put_v in_o place_n he_o give_v some_o to_o be_v pastor_n and_o teacher_n ephes_n 4.11_o be_v all_o apostle_n be_v all_o governor_n be_v all_o teacher_n 1_o cor._n 12.29_o this_o will_v bring_v confusion_n and_o so_o destruction_n to_o the_o whole_a mr._n hooker_n survey_v of_o discipline_n part_n 3._o pag._n 9_o line_n 8_o etc._n etc._n and_o part_v 2._o page_n 42._o line_n 23._o object_n 1._o but_o do_v not_o the_o apostle_n 1_o cor._n 14.31_o say_v you_o may_v all_o prophesy_v one_o by_o one_o that_o all_o may_v learn_v and_o all_o may_v be_v comfort_v answ_n 1._o that_o place_n in_o the_o cornith_n do_v not_o speak_v of_o ordinary_a private_a member_n cotton_n mr._n cotton_n but_o of_o man_n furnish_v with_o extraordinary_a gift_n the_o member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n as_o
and_o at_o other_o time_n as_o opportunity_n shall_v serve_v thereunto_o platform_n of_o discipline_n from_o new_a england_n chap._n 7._o sect_n 2._o mr._n cotton_n of_o the_o way_n cotton_n mr._n cotton_n pag._n 36._o line_n 20._o idem_fw-la of_o the_o key_n pag._n 20_o etc._n etc._n mr._n hooker_n survey_v of_o discipline_n part_n 2._o page_n 16._o 11._o and_o by_o the_o same_o parity_n of_o reason_n if_o any_o want_n comfort_n sink_v under_o discouragement_n and_o sadness_n of_o spirit_n or_o through_o ignorance_n be_v not_o able_a to_o understand_v the_o thing_n deliver_v they_o may_v call_v for_o the_o help_n of_o the_o elder_a in_o private_a that_o they_o may_v be_v inform_v and_o comfort_v by_o he_o and_o hence_o it_o follow_v 12._o that_o he_o have_v power_n to_o inquire_v into_o the_o condition_n and_o take_v account_n of_o the_o special_a state_n of_o such_o of_o the_o member_n for_o else_o how_o shall_v he_o be_v able_a to_o administer_v seasonable_a and_o suitable_a 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guide_v and_o govern_v separation_n from_o the_o rest_n and_o yet_o to_o have_v no_o more_o power_n than_o any_o other_o private_a member_n therefore_o say_v the_o apostle_n submit_v to_o they_o that_o be_v over_o you_o 1_o thess_n 5.12_o obey_v they_o that_o rule_n over_o you_o heb._n 13.17_o master_n shepherd_n wholesome_a caveat_n etc._n etc._n page_n 100_o line_n 28._o hence_o those_o that_o do_v acknowledge_v gevernour_n in_o the_o church_n for_o name_n sake_n but_o they_o be_v such_o as_o have_v no_o more_o power_n than_o a_o private_a brother_n they_o be_v to_o watch_v say_v they_o so_o be_v private_a member_n to_o admonish_v so_o be_v every_o private_a member_n etc._n etc._n these_o allow_v the_o name_n but_o deny_v the_o thing_n idem_fw-la page_n 101._o line_n 8._o hence_o also_o when_o man_n shall_v cry_v for_o liberty_n to_o speak_v a_o elder_a forbid_v it_o what_o may_v not_o the_o church_n have_v liberty_n yes_o true_a but_o you_o be_v not_o the_o church_n a_o elder_n reprove_v they_o will_v reprove_v again_o what_o shall_v not_o the_o church_n have_v liberty_n a_o elder_n give_v reason_n strong_a and_o unanswerable_a for_o something_o to_o be_v do_v a_o young_a fellow_n step_v up_o and_o say_v without_o ground_n or_o show_v of_o it_o that_o be_v your_o light_n and_o i_o be_v otherwise_o what_o may_v not_o the_o church_n have_v liberty_n yes_o but_o you_o be_v not_o the_o church_n this_o be_v very_o sad_a and_o have_v be_v a_o root_n of_o great_a scandal_n that_o ever_o god_n way_n have_v idem_fw-la page_n 102._o line_n 9_o etc._n etc._n 3._o in_o the_o execution_n of_o their_o office_n according_a to_o christ_n they_o be_v over_o the_o whole_a church_n heb._n 13._o obey_v they_o that_o rule_v you_o he_o speak_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n mr._n shepherd_n wholesome_a caveat_n pag._n 102._o line_n 26._o their_o power_n right_o execute_v be_v the_o power_n of_o christ_n hence_o refuse_v it_o you_o refuse_v to_o be_v subject_a to_o he_o if_o man_n will_v not_o be_v rule_v by_o ordinance_n but_o will_v rule_v ordinance_n they_o go_v about_o to_o rule_n christ_n ibid._n pag._n 104._o line_n 28._o 4._o they_o have_v power_n to_o oversee_v when_o they_o see_v cause_n act._n 20.28_o and_o to_o inquire_v into_o the_o state_n of_o the_o flock_n to_o know_v their_o spiritual_a condition_n mr._n shepherd_n pag._n 105._o line_n 20._o hence_o man_n cast_v off_o the_o government_n of_o christ_n when_o they_o will_v not_o have_v their_o spiritual_a condition_n search_v into_o the_o elder_n foot_n be_v now_o too_o great_a for_o his_o shoe_n i_o be_o to_o give_v a_o account_n to_o god_n so_o be_v they_o also_o of_o they_o now_o thou_o can_v not_o give_v it_o if_o thou_o enquire_v not_o how_o thy_o condition_n stand_v neither_o can_v they_o with_o comfort_n unless_o thou_o tell_v they_o how_o it_o stand_v with_o thou_o ibid._n pag._n 106._o l._n 3._o the_o minister_n charge_n be_v to_o cast_v the_o seed_n the_o elder_n duty_n be_v to_o 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give_v in_o wisdom_n and_o compassion_n to_o his_o church_n quest_n 1_o 2._o 3._o therefore_o how_o those_o church_n can_v be_v say_v to_o come_v near_o the_o rule_n and_o walk_v close_a to_o the_o rule_n who_o either_o have_v no_o officer_n at_o all_o as_o the_o church_n of_o h._n and_o the_o church_n of_o n._n or_o else_o content_a themselves_o with_o one_o officer_n a_o pastor_n have_v neither_o teacher_n ruler_n nor_o deacon_n as_o most_o of_o the_o gather_a church_n in_o england_n be_v this_o to_o walk_v according_a to_o rule_v be_v not_o this_o either_o to_o slight_v the_o compassion_n of_o christ_n in_o give_v these_o officer_n or_o to_o contradict_v the_o wisdom_n of_o christ_n and_o proclaim_v those_o office_n needless_a and_o useless_a which_o christ_n judge_v needful_a and_o useful_a and_o therefore_o appoint_v in_o his_o church_n 5._o ordination_n be_v a_o fundamental_a in_o church_n discipline_n and_o give_v the_o officer_n right_a in_o his_o office_n jus_o in_o re_fw-mi see_v quest_n 9_o 10._o therefore_o ordination_n be_v more_o than_o election_n which_o only_o give_v jus_o ad_fw-la rem_fw-la and_o quaere_fw-la how_o many_o minister_n of_o our_o gather_a church_n can_v have_v a_o full_a right_n and_o authority_n to_o administer_v all_o ordinance_n have_v only_a election_n of_o the_o people_n which_o give_v but_o jus_o ad_fw-la rem_fw-la and_o not_o ordination_n which_o give_v jus_o in_o re_fw-mi 6._o ordination_n be_v a_o act_n of_o rule_n and_o pertain_v to_o the_o presbytersy_n or_o presbytery_n que._n 11._o therefore_o not_o to_o the_o fraternity_n or_o body_n of_o the_o people_n 7._o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n be_v to_o be_v dispense_v in_o public_a quest_n 1●_n therefore_o why_o do_v many_o of_o the_o churchway_n so_o frequent_o baptize_v child_n in_o private_a 8._o the_o sacrament_n be_v badge_n to_o show_v our_o separation_n from_o all_o profane_a society_n and_o to_o signify_v our_o communion_n one_o with_o another_o in_o the_o profession_n and_o confession_n of_o the_o faith_n as_o our_o spiritual_a union_n and_o communion_n with_o christ_n our_o head_n mystical_o see_v qu●st_n 13._o answ_n therefore_o the_o sacrament_n be_v note_n of_o the_o true_a church_n as_o the_o protestant_a writer_n have_v always_o maintain_v against_o the_o papist_n 9_o a_o person_n have_v his_o first_o right_n to_o the_o sacrament_n because_o he_o have_v a_o interest_n in_o the_o covenant_n of_o the_o gospel_n of_o which_o it_o be_v a_o seal_n quest_n 14._o therefore_o the_o church_n covenant_n as_o they_o call_v it_o give_v not_o a_o man_n his_o first_o right_n to_o the_o sacrament_n for_o that_o be_v not_o the_o covenant_n of_o the_o gospel_n nor_o be_v the_o sacrament_n a_o seal_n of_o that_o 10._o for_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o sacrament_n in_o a_o right_a order_n of_o christ_n it_o be_v sufficient_a that_o the_o party_n be_v a_o member_n of_o a_o visible_a congregation_n not_o this_o or_o that_o particular_a quest_n 14._o therefore_o whether_o the_o congregation_n be_v constitute_v after_o this_o or_o that_o form_n by_o express_a covenant_n or_o not_o whether_o it_o be_v a_o independent_a congregation_n or_o a_o classical_a congregation_n it_o be_v all_o one_o if_o a_o man_n be_v a_o member_n of_o a_o visible_a congregation_n he_o come_v in_o a_o right_a order_n of_o christ_n 11._o it_o be_v requisite_a that_o those_o who_o be_v baptize_v and_o receive_v their_o member-ship_n in_o their_o infancy_n shall_v come_v to_o their_o trial_n and_o examination_n before_o they_o be_v admit_v to_o the_o supper_n and_o this_o examination_n may_v be_v make_v by_o the_o elder_n yea_o in_o some_o case_n it_o be_v necessary_a it_o shall_v be_v so_o and_o for_o all_o woman_n it_o be_v most_o warrantable_a and_o most_o without_o exception_n therefore_o such_o examination_n in_o presbyterian_a church_n be_v not_o sinful_a and_o unlawful_a nor_o deserve_v so_o much_o ignominy_n and_o scorn_n as_o some_o have_v cast_v upon_o it_o 12._o the_o sacrament_n be_v seal_n not_o only_o of_o our_o communion_n with_o christ_n and_o with_o the_o member_n of_o our_o own_o church_n but_o with_o all_o the_o church_n of_o the_o saint_n see_v quest_n 16._o therefore_o they_o who_o will_v partake_v with_o none_o but_o the_o member_n of_o their_o own_o church_n or_o a_o church_n of_o the_o like_a constitution_n nor_o suffer_v their_o member_n to_o partake_v in_o none_o but_o their_o own_o church_n be_v guilty_a of_o the_o great_a breach_n of_o christian_a love_n that_o can_v be_v unsaint_v and_o unchurch_v all_o the_o church_n that_o christ_n have_v upon_o the_o earth_n but_o themselves_o and_o with_o a_o kind_n of_o papal_a pride_n judge_v and_o as_o much_o as_o in_o they_o be_v excommunicate_v all_o other_o church_n contrary_a to_o their_o own_o principle_n that_o say_v no_o one_o church_n have_v power_n over_o another_o 13._o the_o wickedness_n of_o a_o minister_n do_v no_o way_n make_v void_a the_o act_n of_o his_o ministry_n nor_o give_v the_o people_n a_o dispensation_n to_o contemn_v it_o see_v quest_n 18._o 14._o the_o roll_a elder_n office_n be_v so_o clear_o and_o full_o ground_v in_o scripture_n as_o none_o can_v controvert_v it_o but_o he_o who_o spirit_n and_o apprehension_n be_v prepossess_v and_o forestall_v with_o prejudice_n quest_n 21.22_o 15._o the_o power_n and_o work_v of_o the_o roll_a elder_n be_v very_o great_a and_o his_o office_n very_o needful_a in_o the_o church_n quest_n 23_o 24._o therefore_o they_o that_o will_v have_v none_o of_o these_o roll_a elder_n over_o they_o but_o leave_v all_o to_o themselves_o and_o their_o liberty_n and_o by_o this_o mean_n be_v not_o only_o single_a member_n or_o officer_n but_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n and_o elder_n and_o all_o this_o generation_n of_o man_n cast_v off_o the_o lord_n government_n be_v son_n of_o korah_n who_o condemnation_n sleep_v not_o etc._n etc._n quest_n 24._o answ_n 1._o quaere_fw-la whether_o some_o other_o be_v not_o guilty_a of_o this_o as_o well_o as_o anabaptist_n familist_n etc._n etc._n 16._o if_o the_o roll_a elder_n be_v confine_v within_o his_o compass_n the_o wing_n of_o the_o pope_n and_o bishop_n will_v be_v clip_v and_o their_o power_n exceed_o impeach_v quest_n 25._o therefore_o there_o be_v neither_o truth_n or_o modesty_n in_o they_o that_o say_v the_o presbyterian_a government_n which_o be_v manage_v by_o roll_a elder_n as_o well_o as_o the_o congregational_a be_v as_o tyrannical_a as_o prelacy_n and_o as_o antichristian_a as_o popery_n 17._o it_o be_v the_o devil_n subtlety_n to_o disgrace_n divide_v pull_v down_o the_o roll_a elder_n quest_n 23._o let_v they_o therefore_o consider_v who_o work_n they_o do_v and_o what_o reward_n without_o repentance_n they_o be_v like_a to_o have_v who_o drive_v such_o a_o design_n 18._o deacon_n be_v officer_n institute_v by_o christ_n and_o needful_a to_o be_v continue_v in_o the_o church_n quest_n 26._o 19_o the_o maintenance_n of_o minister_n be_v a_o act_n of_o justice_n not_o mercy_n debt_n not_o alm_n quest_n 28._o 20._o officer_n and_o ordinance_n be_v bestow_v upon_o the_o visible_a church_n not_o for_o their_o sake_n but_o for_o the_o sake_n of_o the_o elect_a that_o be_v among_o they_o who_o good_a next_o under_o his_o own_o glory_n christ_n principal_o intend_v quest_n 29._o therefore_o the_o visible_a church_n be_v not_o first_o in_o christ_n intention_n therefore_o the_o visible_a church_n especial_o the_o church_n of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n as_o such_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o boast_v herself_o in_o her_o privilege_n as_o the_o spouse_n and_o lacie_n and_o queen_n of_o christ_n see_v these_o and_o all_o other_o privilege_n be_v give_v she_o not_o for_o her_o own_o sake_n but_o for_o the_o sake_n of_o the_o elect_a chap._n v._o of_o church_n government_n and_o censure_n question_v 1_o who_o be_v the_o seat_n or_o subject_n of_o church_n rule_n or_o government_n answ_n church_n government_n 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