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A58138 Vox laici, or, The layman's opinion touching the making alterations in our established liturgy in an answer to a letter from a member of the convocation : with some remarks on the (pretended) answer of Vox cleri / by J.R. in a letter to a friend. J. R. 1689 (1689) Wing R36; ESTC R31952 14,808 28

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VOX LAICI OR THE LAYMAN'S OPINION Touching the Making Alterations IN OUR ESTABLISH'D LITURGY In Answer to a Letter from a Member of the CONVOCATION With some Remarks on the pretended Answer of VOX CLERI By J. R. in a Letter to a Friend Jesus Christ the same yesterday and to day and for ever Heb. 13.8 Hold fast the form of sound Words Tim. 2.1.3 Earnestly contend for the Faith which was once delivered to the Saints Jude v. 3. LONDON Printed and are to be Sold by the Booksellers of London and Westminster 1689. VOX LAICI OR THE Layman's Opinion c. SIR I have Received yours and according to your Request I have likewise perus'd the Letter from a Member of the Convocation concerning the making Alterations in our Establist'd Liturgy and I shall Sir give you Impartially my true Sentiments of it though at the same time I must acknowledge my self being an Unletter'd Layman an unfit person to defend that Church of which I am a true though unworthy Member from all those Imperfections which that Authour is pleased unjustly to charge her with yet I cannot forbear to shew a just Resentment of so much Filth and Dirt without cause cast upon her not only to blacken but without all doubt to stifle her quite I have Sir read or heard of a Child that was Born Dumb and at the sudden surprise of one going to kill his Father the Violence of his Passion or an Instinct in Nature call it which you please broke through all those Impediments that obstructed his Speech and forc'd him to cry out Oh do not hurt my Father which so astonished the intended Murderer that he forbore to execute the Horrid Villany Whether true or not I dare not affirm yet if true it confirms a saying very usual amongst us viz. Some things may be said or done that will make a Man speak that had never a Tongue And that will I hope excuse my speaking something to the point in hand and offering some few Considerations to our Author 's own Touching the making any Alterations c. But before I name them I must beg his leave to enquire into two Things in General viz. The Authour and his Design as for Particulars I shall refer him to Vox Cleri where both his Arguments and Reasoning is sufficiently Ridiculed and of that Piece let who will be the Authour he deserves as great a Blessing for defending the Honour and Innocence of his pure and chast Spiritual Mother as Shem and Japhet for covering the Nakedness of their natural Father and who was curs'd for the contrary I presume our Authour can inform us But who and what he is is the first of the two Things I crav'd leave to enquire 'T is true he calls himself a Member of the Convocation I suppose a Worthy one or at least one Worthy c. but his Modesty would not give leave to style himself such But had he told us he had been an Unworthy Member c. I should have believed there had been more Truth than Modesty in the Expression But what if our Authour after all should be no Member of the Convocation nor the Church neither but only makes use of those sine Terms as Physicians do of Gold to gild their bitter Pills that they may be the easier swallowed by their Patient but whether he be or not 't is much the same for if he be not then he is a great Cheat and Imposture and consequently deserves the promotion our Laws has provided for the Entertainment of such and if he be a Member c. I dare be bold to say whatever he appears outwardly he is such a rotten mortified one that it ought to be lop'd off to preserve the rest from Gangreen For if we call that an ill Bird that defiles its own Nest what must that Bird be called which not only defiles but joyns with those of prey to destroy both Nest and all the rest of the Young whom our Blessed Lord like the Pelican nourished with his own most precious Bloud Sure if there be a Name for such an Unnatural Bird it ought to begin with a W for none but the Son of a Wicked Father would Reproach and Defame a Virtuous and Chast Mother But our Saviour has told us a Tree is known by its Fruit. And those that reads our Authour's Letter will find but little there but what is forbidden And so much shall serve for the first general Enquiry Who and What we may reasonably suppose our Authour is The next is his Design and as to that as the Text says He that runs may read for by a Penny we may know how a Shilling is made and a skilfull Refiner by a small quantity of Gold or Silver will tell the goodness of the whole Lump and any body that observes the Arguments of our Authour must have but very little Judgment that do not perceive his Drift and what Mettle he is made of Peace and Union in the Church are fine Things and our Authour 't is true has bid as fair for it as any of his own Principles can wish or the Papist desire and tells the World as well as his Bretheren of the Convocation there is an absolute necessity for it And truly I should be of the same Opinion did I hope or long as I suppose our Authour does for such a through Reformation as is made in the Kirk of Scotland and their Brethren in England did enjoy by Vertue of their Unnatural Rebellion against their Lawfull Sovereign Charles the First which proved a through one indeed for our Hereditary Monarchy as well as Episcopacy was doubly Refin'd for the Kingdom was turned into a Common-wealth and the Convocation into an Assembly of Divines at Westminster of which possibly our worthy Author might be one And though interest which never lies has made him fall a little away from the Faith which was delivered in these times by the then Saints yet to that byass he still leaves and improves all Occasions to oblige those his old Friends who long for nothing more then once more to have a scramble not for the good but for the Goods of the Nation and to reduce both Church and State to the same Modal again And truly I think nothing can be more conducing to it than for the two Houses of Parliament and the Convocation to Agree to what this worthy Convocation Author shall propose in Order to destroy our Establish'd Church c. But Blessed be God if this Author should be a Member c. yet he is but one and I hope there are but few if any more of his stamp amongst them that are for leading us out of the good Old way under pretence of shewing us a better New one 'T is true Novelty may please Children and Fools but I hope our Author does not take the true Sons of the Establish'd Church to be such if he does I am sure he is mistaken For the World knows