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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A37216	A testimony against hypocrites and deceivers in defense of the truth	David, John.	1690 (1690)	Wing D375; ESTC R8994	13,317	15

as they then said unto us have not you received some good among us in those Ordinances so say you he dare not say that he enjoyed not comfort from those Prayers that came through an uncovered Head And although that you cannot with all your wresting and twining in your Serpentine Wisdom shew no ill Fruit brought forth but still cry a dark Spirit a Spirit of Envy and Malice and the like and when we require you to prove your Assertions and Allegations by laying open what fruit of that evil Spirit is brought forth you say we keep on our Hats when you Pray by that means we disturb the Churches Peace and this is all you can alledg against us and for this cause are we called Hat-men and herein you have no matter of Fact to lay to our charge for when we come to the Meeting we come in a peaceable manner with our Hats upon our Heads and as we come so we abide quiet and in that there is no matter of Fact done on our part yet you complain that your Churches Peace is disturbed as those Pastors and Elders in those Days did by us and you thrust us out of your Meeting for declaring Words in a peaceable manner as those Professors did in those days by us and it is true and no baseness in this I will stand to this Testimony when ever you please to call upon me And the Apostle did not command the Corinthians to put off their Hats and observe Times for publick Prayers as you would wrest his Words which are Every Man Praying or Prophesying with his Head covered dishonoureth his Head and moreover he said we have no such custom neither the Churches of God And the Apostles did write unto the Gentiles that believed If they would abstain from Meats offered unto Idols and from Blood and from things strangled and from Fornication they would do well and herein is no injunction laid upon the Consciences of Individuals And here we find you bringing in another Gospel and preaching another Doctrine differing from the Doctrine of the Apostles who preached Christ the Power of God to Salvation in all them that believe and differing from the Doctrine of the People called Quakers at their first coming forth who preached the Light within every particular to be the true Teacher and that in the Light was power sufficient and they did not preach the power that the visible Body of Friends had in it self as you do and therefore we own the Apostles Doctrine and the Doctrine of the People called Quakers which they first preached and which we believed and deny your Doctrine The Apostles Doctrine was That the Wife is bound by the Law as long as her Husband liveth but if her Husband be dead she is at liberty to be married to whom she will only in the Lord and Isaac being gone to meditate in the Field Rebekah coming with her Damosel and Abraham's Servant lighted off the Camel and Isaac brought her to his Mother Sarahs Tent and Rebekah became his Wife here is a record of a Marriage in the old Testament How did Abraham the Father of the Faithful order his Servant to go for a Wife for his Son and how did Isaac of whom the Lord said For in Isaac shall thy Seeed be called take his Wife and here is the Apostles Doctrine concerning Marriage that when the Husband is dead the Woman is at liberty to marry whom she will only let her wait upon the Lord for counsel and not run out to Men for advice and let them see in it and shew it to other Men and that none go together but before a dozen Friends there was no such order prescribed either by Abraham the Father of the Faithful nor by his Son Isaac who was promised unto Abraham nor by the Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ neither did the People called Quakers bring any such orders among us at their first coming forth as many of you very well know and one of the eminentest of you acquainted me how that a couple that were come out of the North unto West-Chester betook themselves in marriage there If you please to examine me further I will give you further account We do own a true Marriage and the Bed undefiled and those that God joineth together we seek not to put asunder neither do we busie our selves to lay further injunctions upon People than the Holy Men of God of old times laid for we do very well know that all sober-minded Men and Women whose Minds are turned unto the Light in their Consciences will as they abide faithful and obedient to the Light behave themselves toward God and towards one another in sobriety and meekness as becometh honest People so to do and as for others whether they be those that despise the Light or those that pretend to a wrong freedom because they profess the Light and so by their miscarriages bring a scandal upon the Children of the Light we do deny both and have no fellowship with the unfruitful Works of darkness neither do we pretend unto any such outward Authority as to meddle with those Exercises any further than we are concern'd and our admonition unto all is That every one do stand still and wait upon the Lord in that measure given him of God to profit withal for Counsel and not run out unto them that cry Lo here and lo there is Christ and in this we have not fallen from the Principle of Truth nor from the Doctrine of the Holy Men of old Times recorded in the Old and New Testament nor from the true Doctrine first received of the People called Quakers And I can appear and give in my Name and stand unto this my Testimony at noon day And as for those filthy lewd Actions which some of you have been charged with not fit to be mentioned amongst any manner of People that have any civility much less amongst Professors of Religion and above all unfitting that those that profess the Light should have any such things justly charged upon them I do declare and testifie that I am ignorant of any such thing acted amongst those of my Neighbours and Acquaintance although we differ about the aforesaid Orders The Lord forbid that I should in any measure slander you or any People in the World beyond my knowledg nay rather I would be checkt for concealing than that I should over-run my self in such things and in all this I do not flatter I take God's Name for my Witness who will reward every one in Righteousness and true Judgment In this therefore let every Tub stand upon its own bottom And for your charging the said Author to be envious malicious and a wicked Apostate Slanderer in what is declared in his Letter against some Particulars of you I find you therein far differing from the Disciples of the Lord Jesus who when he told them that one of them was a Devil immediately made no more ado but lookt every

one to himself saying Lord is it I They went not about to clear the Matter but believed it was true and immediately made a thorow search until the thing was brought forth openly and afterwards they sought not to cover the Transgressor but declared the Truth and left it upon Record to be read by Ages to come Neither did they seek to hide the shameful sin of Peter in cursing and swearing that he knew not the Lord neither did Paul seek to cover the hypocrisie of Peter when he found cause of reproof nor did he admonish others to let it fall but published these things and they are upon Record and the Prophet did not seek to hide the shameful Adultery of David the King one of the most eminent Kings in many respects that ever appeared in the World Jesus Christ excepted And although the King made no more ado but confest his sin and although the Prophet upon the next words said Thy Sin is taken away yet notwithstanding all this there is no covering or hiding but it must be recorded and King David did not bid the Prophet let it fall left bad Spirits should know of it as you do and herein you are found out of the Doctrine of the Prophets and Apostles But some Objections may be put 1. We only declare against the envy and malice of the Author and not against his Person 2. We charge him to be a Liar and a false Accuser and our Charge stands good and firm because he dare not appear and stand by his Testimony And 3. we declare against his treachery and combination with our professed Enemies and furnishing those Enemies of Truth with such slanderous lying accusations against us and hiding himself not daring to shew his face Answer 1. His malice and envy could do you no hurt for it is worse to be the bearer of malice and envy than to them that it is born against and therefore it had better become you to have soberly cleared your selves from the things charged than to bear such Testimonies against Malice and Envy which is an inward Principle 2. Seing that in your Answer you justifie most part of the substance of his Charge he is not to be judged a Liar and a false Accuser although that his Name is not at his Charge and moreover in his Letter it doth not appear that his Intention was to have it published and therefore it savours more of Malice and Envy in you for it breaks forth and issues out of your Bottles against them which you call Hat-men without any distinction but he makes a clear distinction between what he declareth against and what he is for and hath not jumbled all Good and Bad together but in plainness of speech declares what it is that he disowns and declares against amongst you and you your selves confess most part of the matter of Fact only you seek to darken Counsel and would have People believe that your meanings are otherwise and herein the Lye and the false Accusation stands upon you for as I said you accuse all the Hat-men as you call them so that if his Charge had been altogether false I dare say there are hundreds of those which you call Hat-men that are innocent and do not know of those deboist filthy Actions which you slubberly seek to hide and cover 3. You in that Book also charge all Hat-men as you term us to be malicious vagabond Apostates and this upon the account of one private Letter written by one which you your selves if there is any truth in your Declarations know not who he is which Letter was published by one that knew not the Author as is related in the Preface to the Reader and in this you appear more like unto Haman than the Hat-men unto Judas As it was too small a recompence in the sight of Haman to have Mordecai himself punished but he would have all the People of the Jews destroyed and the cause was no other but that Mordecai sitting in the Gate would not bow to Haman and there is no other cause of all your Sentences of Condemnation against the Hat-men as you call us but because we sit as you say upon our Briches when you pray to your God and not put off our Hats Another Objection Dost not thou pervert our Declarations concerning the Hat which was only the putting it off to Magistrates we declared against and not the putting it off to God in time of prayer Answer Richard Hubberthorn in his Testimony of the Zeal of Oxford declares these words Doffing the Hat worse than a Heathenish Vanity And Oxford is a place where Men send their Children to learn the Languages for to be fitted as they say to become Preachers of the Gospel and a place that the Ministers of the Church of England call The Fountain of Learning and will any Man judg that this Testimony was a particular Testimony only against the Magistrates and not a general Testimony against the practice of Zealots of those Times which held it to be a decent and orderly practice as you do and more especially in regard that there is no exception made throughout all his Book for the reservation of that practice and for the Observation of the time as you would have it to be And herein Naaman the Syrian had a more clearer defence for his bowing in the House of Rimmon because that he reserved that when he declared that he would worship no other God but the God of Israel only when his Master went to worship at the House of Rimmon and leaned upon his shoulders and when he boweth with his Master at the House of Rimmon the Prophet must forgive him But after you have declared against a practice in general terms without any exceptions or reservations you bring in your exceptions after twenty years standing and herein is your daubing with untempered Mor●er and your confusion appearing far beyond that Man which was one of the Gentiles As for the Author he is as yet hidden as he declares and needeth no Man to take part with him until the Lord be pleased to bring him to be seen and as for his Declaration what you have denied in your first Answer you have confessed much of it in your Rejoinder and have gone about to justifie the matter of Fact therein and turned the other side outwards saying to the Hat-men You have been waiting many years with an evil Eye for our Failings and make Musick of it carrying it unto the wicked Professors but we could make a Book of your Failings And herein it is manifest that the Lord is not pleased with the hiding of Wickedness and Transgression for though Noah was the only Man that found favour in the sight of God in the Old World yet his Failings must not be covered and hidden and though Cain was one of his Sons yet he must pronounce a Curse against him and herein you shew your selves and your Declarations to be contrary to the Declarations of the Holy Men of God of old who allowed of no Transgression to be hid and covered but would bring all things to the Light that the Transgressors might not go free But you with your Elders and Ministers have covered your Failings as long as you could and when the Lord caused it in a special manner to be brought forth you were like mad Men at your weak Brethren who from time to time were grieved in their minds to see how you were fallen and did use all lawful means upon all opportunities to seek a reformation And for your saying you can make a Book of the Hat-mens Failings Why have you not made it Seeing the Hat-men did not bow to your Image you ought to have declared the Truth and bring the Transgression to the Light for I profess I never owned your written Orders but upon all occasions declared against them and the backwardness of the Hat-men in not declaring your Failings to the World for many years since doth not shew that they were too forward in discovering your nakedness but on the contrary if there be any Error it is on the other hand in being too backward in declaring the Truth until such time as the Lord brought it forth in a wonderful manner by those that have no communion with the Hat-men as you have declared in Judas and the Jews p. 126. Neither will the Hat-mens Failings serve you for a covering now after such Declarations are published and such plain confession of such gross Errors found among you which Confession is the most true Evidence as may be had against any People in the World for there is no further inquiry to be made when the Party charged confesseth the Fact charged And you say Behold the Hat-men I say the same Let all sober-minded People behold and have regard and bring all things to the Light there to be judged and tried and as for you I challenge you in the fear of the Lord to enlarge your Books as big as you can and let the Hat-mens Failings be no more hidden nor covered but bring all things to the Light And if there be any other Objections to be made against this Testimony take no more pity but let the Wound be thorowly searcht that all corruption may be purged that if possible by that means the Sore may be cured and if there be any incurable Member that that may be cut off And for taking the Authors part I do declare and testifie that I do not know the Man but knowing that a great part of the things declared in his Letter is true and finding that you in your Answer and Rejoinder have brought other things to the Light against your selves which things I knew not before seeing you so unreasonable in maintaining