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A77749 Doctor Chamberlain visited with a bunch of his own grapes, gathered out of his own packet of letters: to know whether my answer to his question gave satisfaction, and that by his reply to partake of those rare gifts of the spirit, which he proffered to publish in Black-fryers Church. Also an answer to Dr Chamberlains reply, concerning sprinkling the baptized. / By Thomas Bakewel. Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19. 1650 (1650) Wing B532; Thomason E601_4; ESTC R206402 21,189 30

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he so lovingly envited you to come and if you pleased to bring a Friend with you also Again either you were ignorant of that point or not If not why did you propound that question Is it not your own inference to say He that asketh advice is ignorant of the thing he asketh advice in So that if you were not blinde you would not ask whether it be day Do not you also say That all doubts are for want of Faith or Knowledg Or did you onely propound this to try the Doctor whether he was willing to give you an Answer and the mean time you remain unwilling to come unto him for it Will not this be a greater shame to you then if you had never propounded that question to him who formerly was your Shepherd Sir The Railing Libeller whom you say comes in the name of Christ saith That this is a profound question and most necessary to be cleared and put forth by one who seeth the Ax layd to the root of Religion and the Watchmen asleep at this time of distresse and distraction amongst the flock of Christ some denying this Fundamental Ordinance to be of any effect and others deny it to Infants as lawful and others deny sprinkling to be of God Now a full Answer saith he to this question will clear all and heal all doubts and distractions Therefore remember your Charge he hath shewed that you have set your hand to the Plough and if you look back he saith You are unfit for the Kingdom of God Sir I long to see those excellent vertues and operations of the Spirit which you boast to have received since you turn'd Anabaptist Let not those transcendent gifts be put under a Bushel but set those New-Lights on a Candlestick to give Light to all that are in the House Sir You promised and proffered to shew those gifts to Doctor Gouge to teach him knowledg let me request the same favor also I hope you will be no respecter of persons in the things of God I have waited long for your Answer therefore rather teach Babes then Doctors rather Sheep then Shepherds Now if you should claim the Popes title to be a Shepherd of Shepherds to teach the Shepherd and not the Sheep I should much doubt that those admirable gifts are but the depths of Satan as they speak Rev. 2 24. whereby he frequently deludes Anabaptists Sir You say that you wrote to the late King and I see that you have written to a Doctor of Divinity But I hope you do not think it to be a disparagement to write to them of meaner quality Is your matter so excellent that no other men may partake of it Suppose you were a King or a Doctor not cast out of the Colledge I hope sometimes other men may hear some of your admirable matters which onely becomes Kings and Doctors to hear Sir I hope your transcendent gifts are not of that quality to perish in the using If they be divine gifts they will increase by using Now if yours be such what hurt is it to impart with them for advantage If you keep your Talent in a napkin you will offend the Lord who gave it to be improved for the good of your self others but it seems you know this already and have told your loving Neighbors of Black-fryers how that you being converted ought in duty to strengthen your Brethren Now I hope you will not make such construction of the word Brethren as to shut me out of that Brotherhood Sir the Messenger of Christ as you call that railing Libeller I hope hath made a better construction of your Dream then to leave me also with Doctor Gouge hardened in blindnesse therefore let me hear from you whether my Answer gave satisfaction or not and if it did give God the praise and if it did not I desire to know wherein it was wanting because I desire to have more charity of you then to leave you hardened in blindnesse BY Thomas Bakewel An ANSWER to Doctor Chamberlains Reply concerning Sprinkling of the Baptized UPon the 24. of March I sent my first P●per to Doctor Chamberlain that now is published and he that received it promised an Answer in two days and now upon the seventh of April his Reply came to me so stufft with Sophistry and falsity that it is enough to terrifie a gracious heart even in he Repetition of it His first page is a bundle of falsities He saith That he sent four times to my house to return me an Answer and that I either was not or would not be at home These are all false he sent but twice The first time I was at Church the second time the Messenger spake with me not to return me an Answer but to ask me these questions Why did you not come to hear your Letter read and why did you not come to justifie it and did you write it your self or did some other help you Then he saith That I call the seventh of April being the Lords day Palmsunday which he never heard me and the Sabbath which it seems he will not and that I tell my friends that I have defied Israel and that I should say none durst answer me which are both false And that I should say He promised to answer which also is false although there was a promise made by another that it should be done Then he saith He had no copy of what I printed when as there was a whole quire sent him besides the manuscript that I sent him yet he saith He had not known of it had not another given him one But to what purpose are all those falsities if he were not given over to the Father of lyes They concern not the point in Controversie But Mr Doctor are these the gifts of the Spirit you boast so much of to have shewed publiquely in Doctor Gouges Church It is true they are the gifts of those lying spirits in the mouths of Ahabs Prophets 2 Chron. 18 21. But Sir Be ware of the lyers portion Revel 21.8 Then you say That I am the Cats paw dabling in Greek I suppose you speak comparatively which having no resemblance shews your weakness of learning for a Cat to dabble in Greek cannot and in water will not or at least as seldom as you dabble in the truth but I must leave dabling Then you trouble your self that Mr Downame should give me his Imprimatur and that our Ministers should suffer a Layman to take upon him their Function How now Mr Doctor what do you reprove another and do the same things Thou that sayst another should not steal dost thou steal Thou that judgest another condemnest thy self for doing the same things See Rom. 2.1 21. But yet Mr Doctor I do not take upon me the Ministers Function Was I ever the mouth of God to the Congregation by preaching unto them or their mouth unto God by prayer or did I ever administer the Sacraments to the people If not