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daillé_n apol._n des_fw-fr eglis_n reform_v c._n
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as_o the_o roman_a church_n adorant_a christum_fw-la in_o eucharistia_n et_fw-la quis_fw-la ausit_fw-la omnes_fw-la hos_fw-la christianos_n idololatriae_fw-la arcessere_fw-la &_o damnare_fw-la sect_n 28_o v._n last_o beside_o this_o great_a body_n catholic_n have_v since_o luther_n time_n in_o the_o reformation_n no_o small_a number_n of_o protestant_n i_o mean_v such_o as_o be_v the_o genuine_a son_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n proceed_v thus_o far_o as_o to_o confess_v both_o a_o real_a presence_n of_o our_o lord_n body_n and_o blood_n in_o the_o eucharist_n and_o adoration_n of_o it_o as_o present_v there_o a_o real_a presence_n of_o it_o to_o each_o worthy_a receiver_n though_o not_o to_o the_o element_n and_o hooker_n if_o he_o mistake_v not_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o his_o time_n say_v eccles_n pol._n l._n 5._o 5._o 67._o wherefore_o shall_v the_o world_n continue_v still_o distract_v and_o rend_v with_o so_o many_o manifold_a contention_n 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