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A89249 The true light hath made manifest darknesse: or, Sion builded up, and Babylon cast downe. With a true answer of what the Baptist teachers objected against the servant of the Lord who in scorn is called a Quaker, and known to the world by the name of Iohn Moon, in several places in VVales, both in Radnorshire, and Breck-nockshire, whose names are these. Hugh Evans, John Price, Daniel Penry, Reese Davies, John Prosser, Evans Oliver, and Vavasor Powel, who are called ministers of the gospel, but are found to be enemies to it. Some of Vavasor Powel's doctrine tryed, and made manifest by the light. And also some queries given forth, and are to be answered by them that lives in observations. This is given forth by me who is a lover of the truth, and known to the world by this name, John Moone. Moon, John, fl. 1657-1685. 1657 (1657) Wing M2526; Thomason E909_4; ESTC R207461 13,726 23

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manifest to all them that knows the truth The first error Vavaser Powel said these words that Christ called his disciples ye unbelieving and faithless Generation Then John Moon said that the disciples were believers and had faith for if the disciples were not believers and had not faith they were not saved but vvere already condemned and if they were condemned who are they that are saved And now herein Powel thou art found judging the servants of God to be without faith but this I declare that Christ loved them and choosed them out of the world to declare his eternal word of truth and from that word they declared These things have I written unto you that believe on the I John 5. 13. name of the Son of God that ye may know that ye have eternal life now here the Scripture doth make manifest that they did believe and had eternal life and Iames said Yea a man may say thou hast faith and I have works shew me thy James 2. 18. faith without thy works and I will shew thee my faith by my works Now all people that read may come to see that the disciples believed and had faith as said John for whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world and this is the I Joh. 5. 4. victory that overcometh the world even our faith and all them who knows the faith which is given of God they know by that faith to overcome sin and so they come to witness the Scriptures and to know the everlasting Gospel But thou Vavaser Powel vvho goeth about to tell the people of a Gospel and of a Faith but they know not the power of God nor that faith which purifies and thou art he who art found declaring a Gospel without power which is not the Gospel of Christ but to that Gospel which is the power of God thou art found to be him who is an enemie to the Gospel of Christ and that faith which vvas delivered to the saints for if thou hadst known that faith which purifies thou wouldst not have said by them who Jesus Christ chused to declare the Gospel ye unbeliveing and faithless generation but Powel herein thou hast made thy selfe manifest to all them that will not be will fully blind and in stead of being a friend to the Gospel thou art found and enemie unto it and a revening wolfe who is seeking to devoure the Lamb and them who are messengers from the Lamb of God to declare the eternal word of truth to the people but I found thee Powel declaring to the people that the servants of God who are his disciples that they were an unbeliveing and faithless generation and herein Powel thou art found declaring thy errors to the people and contrary to the Scripture crying up sin and another Gospel which is without the power of God and them that believe in it shall never know to be redeemed from their sins but always live and die in them and this is the end of thy ministry Now I am come to the second error Thou Vavaser Powel vvho saist that them vvho are sanctified purified and clensed did commit sin and fall into sin Then John Moone answered and said he that sanctifieth and he that is sanctified are one and this Scripture I bring to prove it for both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren and now this I say that it is Christ Heb 2. 1● that sanctifieth and he doth not commit sin and he that is sanctified is one vvith him and he that is cleansed and purified is one with the Father and the Son but they who doth commit sin is not one neither with the Father nor the Son for God is of purer eyes then can behold iniquity and this is he who is light and them who are sanctified walks in the light as J h said but if we walk in the light as he is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood I John 2. 7. of Jesus Christ his Son clenseth us from all sin now here all that readeth may see that he who is sanctified is one with God But Powe who would make the people believe that he that is sanctified commit's sin this is but to cover his Gospel which is without power Then I hearing him preaching to uphold sin and saying that the godlyest man that ever was upon earth would sin then I asked him if any ware clear or holy that passed before us he answered and said no not one then I brought this Scripture Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you then he said he would disprove it and John 15. 3. sought in a Bible to make these words to be a lye and brought two or three scriptures then I spake and said owel art thou going to prove Christs words to be aly for Christ spake these words that I have read and thou art going to prove them a lye and herein thou hast made thy selfe manifest to all them that will not be wilfully blind and insteed of being a Preacher of the Gospel thou art found to be him that would destroy it and is declaring contrary to the Scriptures as thou sayest There was no man holy upon earth and Christ and his disciples said there was for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the holy Ghost 2 Pet. 1. 21. but thou Powel hast made thy self manifest that thou dost not know this prophecy if thou hadst known that prophecy which is of God thou wouldest not have cryed up to the people sin and wickedness and against the holy men of God but herein thou art found in another prophecy vvhich stands in thy ovvn vvill and that makes the vvorld to receive thy testimony and thou goest under a pretence to be a Preacher of the Gospel but I finde thee declaring to the people thy errors crying up sin and vvickedness and said it vvas to comfort the people Novv people to let you knovv Powel errors vvhich he preaches is these He is crying up sin and corruption and vvickeduess and these are them that are guided by the spirit of error and he saith The righteous man commiteth sin and I say That is an error and he said He that is clean commiteth sin and that is an other error for vvho soever commiteth sin is guided by the spirit of error and these are them vvhom thou Powel art declaring to the people and to cover thy errors thon cryest up an ordinanance to make thy errors to seem glorious to the vvorld but thy ordinance is no more but vvhat the drunkard svvearer and lyer doth knovv and feed upon and dye for they are eating bread and drinking vvine but they do not discerne the Lords body and Eccles 7. 20. if thou Powel hadst discerned the Lords body thou
vvouldest not have brought this Scripture for there is not a just man upon earth that doeth good and sinneth not But herein thou hast made thy selfe more manifest that sayest There is not a just man thou hast long been learning of the unjust if thou hadst but known or confest that Christ is come into the world thou wouldest have hid thy error and thy profession would have seemed more glorious but thou saying There is not one that doth good and sinneth not thou hast denyed that Christ is come into the world and herein thou art made manifest to be a Minister of Antichrist which upholds sin and thou pleading for thy masters kingdom for if thou hadst known the Gospel of Christ thou wouldest not have said There is none that doth good for it is the Gospel of Christ which doth good and as many as believe in it shall be saved But thou art far from knowing this Gospel or learning of it now see where thou and thy professors have been learning all this while who saith There is none doth good and sinneth not thou and thy professors are far from witnessing this Scripture and Heb. 8. 11. they shall not need to teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother saying know the Lord for all shall know me Ver. 12 from the least to the greatest for I will be merciful to their unrighteousness and their sinns and their iniquities will I Heb. 20. 14. remember no more saith the Lord For by one offering he hath pefected for ever them that are sanctified Now all people that read may see how contrary to the Scripture Powel hath spoken that saith He that is sanctified doth commit sin and the Scripture saith he that is sanctified is perfected for ever and this is to let you see his blindness who is the blind guide Now I am Come to his Third Error Thou Vavaser Powel who saist that the children of God went into sin and commited sin and the Lord passed by them and did not reprove them Answ Then Iohn Moone answered and said that God did convince and reprove them that commited sin and the Lord is no respecter of persons and he will not let the transgressors go unpunnished for you onely have I known of all the families of the earth therefore I will punnish you Amos 3. 2. for all your iniquities saith the Lord but thou who would'st have the Lord to reprove some and not others herein thou wouldst make him to be a respector of persons but this I say that the Lord came to execute judgement upon all and to convince all that are ungodly amongst them of all their ungodly deeds vvhich they have ungodly committed and of all their hard speeches vvhich they have spoken Jude 1. 15. against him Novv here I have made it appear by Scripture that the Lord convinces all and that he executes judgment upon all and they that commit sin are wicked but them vvho are the children of the Lord they knovv to bee born of the immortal seed vvhich the blessing is to and herein we know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself and that wicked one 2 Joh. 5. 18. toucheth him not but if thou hadst known that birth which is of God thou wouldst not have said that they committed sin but thou being ignorant of the new birth therefore thou art speaking evil of it and it serves thee to talk on and make a trade of it Novv Powel if thou vvert not blinde thou mightst see thy confused language and see that thy Ministery is contrary to the Apostles doctrine for their doctrine vvas for the perfecting Eph. 4. 12 13. of the Saints for the work of the Ministery for the edifying of the body of Christ till we all come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect man whom we preach warning every man and teaching every Gal. 1. 28. man in all wisdome that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus But Powel thy Ministery is to declare to the people to uphold sin and wickedness and tell them they must never be clean nor never to have power to keep them out of Sin but that they must commit sin and the Lord will pass by it And herein thou art striving vvith all thy might and povver to keep the people in their sinnes and that they shall never be free whilst they are upon earth but all people consider what life you live the same you must die and own that light which shews you what life you do live and what your works is and euery one is to receiue a reward according to his deeds and as long as you follow them that cries up sin you follow the ministers of AntiChrist and these are them that ran and the Lord sent them not and therefore they shall not Prophet my people at all saith the Lord and these are them who saith there is none that doth good and sinneth not but them who are sent of the Lord they know the just and him that doth good O how I love thy Law it is my meditation all the day and and thy Testimonies are wonderful therefore doth my soul keep them the entrance of thy word giveth light it giveth Psal 1 19. 96. v. understanding to the simple I have seen an end of all perfection blessed are they that keep his testimonies and that seek him with the whole heart they also do no iniquitie they Ver. 2 3. walke in his ways and trust in his name and these are the remnant of Jsrael they shal not do iniquitie nor speak lies Zeph. 3. 13. ver neither shal a deceitful tongue be found in their mouths for they shall feed and lie down in perfect peace and none shall make them afrind Some Queries given forth by the Servant of the Lord and are to be answered by them that lives in observations Quaery 1. WHat the fall of man is and Where that is which man fell from and How man must know it again and Whether the resurrection be to that which man fell from yea or nay Quaery 2. What is that which letteth and wil let until it be taken out of the way And where it is And what is that which the Letter killeth And where it is killed Quaery 3. What the soul of man is and where it is and how must man know when it is in death and when it is raised to life Quaery 4. Whether Jesus Christ be not the Light of the world And how doth he enlighten every man that cometh into the world and how is that Light the condemnation of them that do evil Quaery 5. Who are they which Christ spoke to and said Now are ye clean through the word which I spake unto you And what that resurrection is which Paul said If by any means he might attain unto it seeing that all menshall arise Quaery 6. Whether they which are eating bread and drinking wine be not them which are shewing forth the Lords death and deny his coming and what Ordinances are those which the Apostle said Touch not taste not handle not that which is to perish shew what Ordinances they are Quaery 7. VVhether any man may be perfect whilest he is upon the earth And whether the new birth be witnessed by any but them who were perfect yea or nay Quaery 8. VVhat Sion is and where it is and where the flesh of the Son of man is that except a man eat thereof he hath no life in him Quaery 9. VVhat that is which is dead in the grave which shall hear and rise up to life and what that is which must rise to condemnation and where that grave is and what that voice is and where it is to be heard Quaery 10. VVhat is the cross of Christ and how doth the creature know it and bear it and how is it preached and what is the offences of it and how is it the power of God to salvation and how doth it become a stumbling block and how doth the offences of it cease Quaery 11. VVhat the false Prophet is and where he is and what his worship is from the true Prophets shew the difference Quaery 12. VVhat God and King is that which the people shall look upwards and curse and where they are and what their worship is that the people might no longer worship them Quaery 13. VVhat the people was turned unto seeing they had the Letter and were in darkness And what eye that was which was blinde And where that eye is And how that eye was opened by which they come to see salvation Quaery 14. VVhat the Ministration of condemnation is and what is the glory of it and how do the Ministration of Righteousness exceed in glory Quaery 15. VVhat the Garden of Eden is and where it is and what the tree of knowledge of good and evil is and where it is and how it may be known Quaery 16. What the Cherubins and the flaming Sword is and where they are and what the tree of Life is and where it is Quaery 17. What the two witnesses are which John spoke of which lies slain in the Cities called Sodom and Egypt which the people of the earth make merry over Quaery 18. What that sure Foundation is which is already laid and where it is laid Quaery 19. What Ordinance is that which Christ said He that resists it resists the power of God Quaery 20. Whether there be any true Church but that which is in God and whether any be in that Church and commit sin yea or nay Quaery 21. What and where is that Principle which is pure and leads man into that true church which is in God Quaery 22. How doth Christ become Mediator between God and man These are given forth by a Servant of the Lord who is a lover of the Truth and known to the world by this Name JOHN MOON THE END