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A16617 Proposition. Concerning kneeling in the very act of receiuing howsoever Bradshaw, William, 1571-1618. 1605 (1605) STC 3524; ESTC S115519 10,814 30

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A PROPOSITION CONCERNING KNEELING in the very act of receiuing Howsoever Published to satisfie professours yet humblie Submitted to the iudgment of Prophets Rom. 14.10.11.12 VVhy doest thou condemne thy brother For it is written I liue saith the Lord and every Knee shall bow vnto me So then every one of vs shall giue accountes of himselfe vnto God Cor. 10.14.22 Flee from Idolatry Yee cannot be partakers of the Lords table of the table of Deuils PRINTED 1605. To my Christian frend N. grace peace Howsoeuer it greiueth mee to heare of much more to se the troubles wherewith Sathan knowinge his time to be short doth trouble the Church of God in all places about vnprofitable and Popish Cerimonies yet to tell you the whole troth my greife is the lesse when I consider that both they them selues who be most troublesome and do most vrge those Reliques of Rome be ambitious Rom. 16 17 18 Phil 3 2 19 Gal. 6.12 or Dumme Dogges or non Resident seruing their bellies and minding Earthly thinges euen like their Predecessors who vrged the Cerimonies of Mozes in the Primitiue Churches and their proceedinges like them selues be so exorbitant that they cannot but proue odious to all men VVhat a-matter is this that after the Sacramentall Bread is ministred the Cup should be denied because of not kneeling If any of theis scrupulous Ministers had played such apart thoughe it were with one openly knowne to liue in sinne notorious without repentance whom by the 26. canon no Minister shall in any wise admit to the receiuing of the holy Communion how would that Precisian be trounced But in this Puritan Gouernement of the Church there is no fault but non consormitie to superstitious vanities A Bird of theit fether may Preach scores of Popish Doctrines be scandalous in life and at his last cast at dice when he hath lost all say In the Spite of God let him do now what he can and yet hould his owne well inough An other mans owne and ill inough I mighte well say if the law might haue due course well God amend all and restraine the remnant of this Rage In meane while I reioice to heare that it is giuen to any of Gods people not only to beleiue in Christ but also to suffer for his sake hauing the same fight which they see or heare to be in their Ministers Phil 1 27 as it becommeth the Ghospel of Christ the sincerity wherof belongeth as well to the people as to the Ministers of Christ for howsoeuer all are not to weare the whore of Babilons Smocke yet all are to make consience of bowing the knee to Baal To confirme your zeale against the superstition of Kneeling I haue longe sought being often solicited so to do by you and at length found a short but in my poore iudgement at least to mee a sufficient discourse which I haue printed that I may comfort not onely you but many other also who are in doubt with that comfort wherewith I my selfe am comforted of God I say Comforted For when the iudgment is satisfied the heart is comforted This onely I requyre of you that there be no inquiring after or gessing at the author or publisher If that hurtfull curiosity were mortified learned men now fearinge that humor would be boulder to wright and publish their Godly iudgments touching points in cōtrouersy among other I heare of a more larg learned treatise of this point which no doubt the authour will publish in time or other for him if cursous heads itching eares and wanton tongues do not hinder In meane while let vs make as good vse of this as wee can And the Lord give vs vnderstanding in all thinges Farewell KNEELING IN THE VERY acte of taking eating and drinking the Sacramentall bread and wine in the holy Communion cannot be without sinne IT is to be vnderstood that howsoeuer Kneeling may in it selfe considered be esteemed a naturall gesture of the body as standing sitting etc. yet in this case it is by Institution of man For neiher nature nor custome doth teach vs ordinarily to knele when we eate drinke neither doth the word require Kneeling in this case If it be by Institution it must be either in respect of a more reuerēt receiuing or Not. But if the most soleme signe of reuerence vsed in theis partes of the world be with out all respecte of reuerence and that by Institution of authority in so high a part of Gods seruice may not suche Kneeling be iudged if not a grosse mocking of Christ as was the souldiours their bowing of knes before him Math 27.29 Mal. 1.6.7 yet a taking of the name of god in vaine Seing all significatiōs of honour in Gods seruice ought to be to the honour of his name Ier 4.2 2 King 5.18 and an othe not religiously intended as in the nature therof it ought to be to the honour of God is the taking of Gods name in vaine Did Naaman newly brought to the knowledge of God attribut so much to bowing in the house of Rimmō when his master leaned on him so that it was not his volūtary act And shal we who haue had the Gospel long kneeling by institution and determination in a principall parte of Gods seruice make no accoūpt whether wee honour god or no by such kneeling If kneeling be Instituted for a more reuerent receuing then it must be either in regard of God or of bread and wine If in regard of god then must wee be well perswaded that such kneeling is an acceptable seruice vnto his Maiestie Rom 12.1 11 5 2● Isa 29 13 Math 15.9 And that this may be we must consider whether such kneeling be a wilworshipp or a seruice reasonable and according to Gods will Least otherwise we finde our selues so far from honoring God as that we provoke him As did Nadab and Abihu Levit. 10.1 ● 3. who offered incense but not with the very fire which God appoynted 1 Chro. 13.10 15.12.13 and were therfore devoured with fire And as did King David the preists who caried the Arke otherwise than it ought to haue been and therefore Vzza died for it with a sodaīe death For God wil be sanctified if not By yet In all them that come neere him But kneeling is contrary to the example of Christ and his Apostles Luke 22.14 1 Cor 11 1● who ministred receiued sitting or in such a gesture as in those countryes was most vsed at eating From which example to differ without warrant from Gods word cannot be without fault Seeing examples of holy men much more of Christ are to be followed except there be some reasonable cause to the contrary And the Apostle to reforme an abuse which crept even in their times into loue feastes which were immediatly before or after the Lords supper did banish them thence reduced the manner of administring the Lords supper to the first institution 1 Cor.
christians transgrese the institution of the L. supper by chaunging the time taken by Christ vpon occasion but not prescribed into some other fitter in discretion for the ordinarie c●lebration of the L. supper As probably the Primitiue Churches did For every first day of the weeke viz. the L. day the brethren came togither to breake bread Act. 2 42. 20.7 1 Cor 16 2. Revel 1.10 id est to minister the communiō So that either th●y never met vpon the L. day but in the eve●●ing or else they c●lebr●ted the communion at some other times but for my alteration of the gestures ●f sitting especially into kneeling there is not the least probabilitie It is further obiected That we may kneele in regard of prayers to be vsed by prescription of authority at the deliueryng of the bread and wine viz. The bodie of our Lord Iesus Christ which was giuē for thee preseru thy bodie and soule into eternall life and take and eate this etc. Heere vnto these answers may be returned Seing we reiect Christ his example of sitting for kneeling we must not stand vpon what we may doe but humbly consider what we must doe For if there be not a necessary and a iustifiable cause both of those prayers and of Kneeling in regard of them doe we not presume vpon Christ his patience in reiecting his example Now what necessitie is there of those prayers at that very time Seeing prayers goe before and follow after Againe must we needs kneele at every bitte of a prayer Is their more necessity to obey a needlesse direction to kneele at those prayers than to follow the example of Christ In sitting when we take eate and drinke things requyred in the same sentences And why must the people kneele when they heare those prayers rather than the minister who pronounceth them But it is a question Whither those prayers be iustifiable or no. For besides that by reason of them Kneeling devis●d and abused by Antichrist doth crosse the practise of Christ and his Apostles and th●y may seeme avayne repitition Even the adding of thē to the words of institution is contrary to the minde of Christ For he did first blesse or pray and after gaue the Elements in a sacramentall forme of words Math 6 7 26.26 etc. Mark 14.21 Luk 22.19 etc without any addition saying take eate etc. Which order of administration and forme of words Mathew Marke Luke and Paul doe so constantly precisly and sincerely relate that any may perceiue the meaning of the spirit to be That the sacramentall forme of words ought precisely to be obserued without any addition And the rather because Paul beginneth his relation thus I haue receiued of the Lord 1 Cor. 11 23 ●4 that which I haue also deliuered etc. So that it may seeme to be against religion and reason that to a sacramentall forme of speach wherin the minister should only supply the person of Christ there should be added a prayer as in the name of the Church This confusion is fitter for Babilon than for Sion Lastly Why is not a short prayer after other going before aswell ioyned to the sacramentall forme of Baptisme viz N. I baptise thee In the name of the Father etc. If then this addition of prayer to the sacramētall forme of words be not of faith Rom 14.5 ●3 how can we with faith and a good conscience confirme or allow the same with our kneeling Lastly for iustifiyng of Kneeling it is affirmed That it is indifferent whither we sitt stand or kneele Seing Christ did sit when he did eate the passover Wheras God commaunded the children of Israel in Egipt to eate the passover standing and some reformed churches receiue standing for all that Christ did sit at his last supper Therfore the King may appoynt Kneeling as the most reverend gesture and best beseeming so holy an action For answer whervnto howsoever that which is alreadie said may suffice Yet it may be further considered That though it be admitted that it is indifferent to sit or to stand yet it doth not follow that Kneeling is indifferent For sitting is the example and standing is a gesture sometimes vsed in ordinary eating and in the obiection it is said to be prescribed at a sacramentall feast Againe It doth not follow That because Christ vsed a gesture fitter for eating in his time insteed of a gesture prescribed vpon occasion it is therfore law full to vse a gesture nothing answerable to eating and that taken out of the Synagogue of Antichrist as though the word of God came out of it 1 Cor. 14.36 or to it onely instead of a gesture most answerable to eating of purpose vsed by Christ at the institutiō of the sacrament So that notwithstanding all that is said for Kneling His Maiestie vpon whome the burthern as of this gesture so of other ceremonies is layde may remember 2 Chro. 2● 25 That Hezekiah appoynted Levites in the house of the Lord with Cīballs etc. according to the commaundement of David and Gad the Kings Seer and Nathan the Prophet for the cōmaundement was by the hand of the Lord and by the hand of his prophets And withall consider that if Kneeling were the most reverēt gesture best be seming the holy cōmuniō our L. Master would not haue sitten downe of purpose at his last supper And that Ahaz was deceived In deeming the Alter at Damascus 2. King 16 10 12.14 15 more honorable for Gods service thā the alter of the Lord. Having said that which may be sufficient to a man reasonable and not contentious against the institution of kneeling for supposed reverence in regard of God it remaineth that somewhat be said against the institution of Kneeling for reverence in regard of bread and wine Which need not be much For no sound protestant of any knowledge will affirme it but rather presently consider That if kneeling be instituted for reverence in reg●rd of bread and wine It must be either because they represent the body bloud of Christ though remaining bread and wine touching there substaunce And then for like reason we may worship the crucifixe and image of God as the papists doe Or because Christ is really bodily locally though invisibly present in thē either by Transubstātiation according to the herisy of the papists or by consubstantiation according to the herisy of the Lutherans These things cannot but be considered And then it must needs follow that if we abiure these herisyes of Papists Lutherans we must also abhorre idolatrous superstitious kneeling their daughter and Nurse which was never hearde of before Transubstantiation was hatched in the sinagogue of Antichrist Re●●q●es of R●me fol 98. 99 So that immediatly after Pope Innocent decreed Transubstantiation Pope Honorius decreed kneeling Auns to M. Iuels chalēg fol. 111 Therfore if Harding doth graūt that it is not well to kneele but in regard of a reall bodily