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A47755 A religious conference between a minister and parishioner: concerning the practice of our orthodox Church of England in baptizing infants, and pouring water on their faces, or sprinkling them; and in confirming them by the bishop when they come of age to give an account of their faith. Proving all three lawful by the authority of the Holy Scriptures. Leslie, Charles, 1650-1722. 1696 (1696) Wing L1145; ESTC R213965 23,437 34

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