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A29432 A dissuasive from the errours of the time wherein the tenets of the principall sects, especially of the Independents, are drawn together in one map, for the most part in the words of their own authours, and their maine principles are examined by the touch-stone of the Holy Scriptures / by Robert Baylie ... Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. 1645 (1645) Wing B456; ESTC R200539 238,349 276

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till the last day when Christ renders up his Oeconomicke Kingdome having destroyed all his enemies especially death fully perfected the work of his mediation This Resurrection is after the sound of the last Trumpet when all the godly rise and are changed and put on incorruption and immortallity when death is swallowed up into victory and the godly inherit the Kingdome of God these things are done at the last day not a thousand yeares before it as John 6. Christ avoweth thrice in the end ver 39.40.44 I will raise him up at the last day At that time the judgement is universall both of the godly and wicked and the execution of both their sentences is immediately by the present glorification of the one and the destruction of the other as we have it Math. 25.31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory before him shall be gathered all Nations and he shall separate them one from another as a shepheard divideth his sheepe from the Goats Fourthly we reason from the nature of Christs Kingdome The conceit of the thousand yeares makes Christs Kingdome to be earthly and most observeable for all worldly glory but the Scripture makes it to be Spirituall without all wordly pompe neither doth the Word of God make the Kingdome of the Mediator of two kindes and of a different nature but one uniforme from the beginning to the end Luke 1.32 The Lord shall give him the throne of his Father David and he shall raigne over the house of Jacob for ever 1 Cor. 15.25 He must raigne till he have put all things under his feete here there is but one Kingdome and one way of ruling a Kingdome meerely Spirituall and nowise worldly Luke 17.20 The Kingdome of God commeth not with observation neither shall they say loe here or loe there but the Kingdome of God is within you John 18.36 My Kingdome is not of this world if my Kingdome were of this world then would my servants fight but now is my Kingdome not from hence Rom. 14 17. The Kingdome of God is not meate and drinke but righteousnesse peace and joy of the holy Ghost Ephes 1.20 He raised him from the dead and set him at his right hand in heavenly places and hath put all things under his feete and gave him to be head over all to the Church The Millenaries make his Kingdome to appeare in Armies and Battells in feasts and pleasures in worldly pompe and power and will not have his Kingdome to stand in any of that spirituall power which since his ascention he hath executed on principalities and powers or shall performe upon the soules of men till these thousand yeares of worldly power and earthly glory visible to the eyes of men shall begin We take our fifth argument from the nature of the Church Scripture makes the Church of God so long as it is upon the earth to be a mixed multitude of Elect and Reprobate good and bad a company of people under the crosse and subject to various temptations a company that hath neede of the Word and Sacraments of Prayer and Ordinances that hath Christ a High Priest within the vaile of heaven interceding for them But the Doctrine in hand changes the nature of the Church and makes it for a thousand yeares together to consist onely of good and gracious persons without all trouble without all Ordinances without any neede of Christs intercession For the first That Scripture makes the Church alwayes to be a mixed company See Matth. 13.40 As the tares are gathered and burnt in the fire so shall it be in the end of the world The Sonne of man shall send forth his Angels and they shall gather out of his Kingdome all things that offend and that doe iniquity and vers 49. So shall it be in the end of the world the Angels shall come forth and sever the wicked from among the just Also Chap. 24.11 Many false Prophets shall arise and deceive many because iniquity shall abound the love of many shall waxe cold Luke 18.8 When the Sonne of man commeth shall he finde faith upon the earth These places declare the mixture of the wicked with the godly in the Church to the worlds end and most about the end As for Crosses See Psal 34.20 Many are the afflictions of the righteous Mat 5 4. Blessed are they that mourne and that are persecuted for righteousnesse Acts 14.23 By many tribulations we must enter into the Kingdome of heaven Rom. 8.17 If so we suffer with him that we may be glorified together 2 Tim. 3.12 All that will live godly in Christ Jesus must suffer persecution Heb. 12.6 Whom the Lord loves he correcteth and he scourgeth every child that he receives Many such places shew the condition of the Church in this life that she is ever subject to tribulation Concerning Ordinances that they must continue to the last day See Ephes 4.11 He gave some Pastors and Teachers for the perfecting of the Saints for the worke of the Ministry for the edifying of the body of Christ till we all come to a perfect man And for the continuance of the Sacraments 1 Cor. 11.26 As often as you eate this bread and drinke this cup yee doe shew the Lords death till hee come That in the most godly while they live on earth sinne doth remaine and that alwayes we have neede of Christs intercession in the heaven with the Father it is cleare from 1 John 1.8 If wee say we have no sinne the truth of God is not in us And Chap. 2. ver 1. But if any man sinne we have an Advocate with the Father Heb. 9.24 Christ is entred into the heaven it selfe now to appeare in the presence of God for us Thus the Scripture describes the condition of the Church on earth but the Doctrine in hand alters much the nature of it for a great part of its time here for of the 2650 yeares which they give to the Church from the comming of Christ to the last judgement they make her to consist for a whole thousand yeares only of godly persons without the mixture of any one wicked and all the millions who are borne in the Church in that large time they are free from their birth to their death of all crosses of all sorrowes of all temptations and as it seemes of all sinne also for that is the time of the restitution of all things when old things are past and all things become new They make them to have neede neither of Word nor Sacraments or any Church-Ordinance neither of Christs Intercession in the heavens with the Father for they have him among them in the earth and they are freed from all sinne and all misery A sixth Argument Scripture makes the time of Christs second comming to be secret and hid not onely to men but to the very Angels and to Christ himselfe as he is man Marke 13.32 But of that day and that
but if the whole Word of God be holy pure and true then is this deep learning of theirs devillish and blasphemous Ibid. They thus to colour their wickednesse make some part of Gods Word Fundamental Substantial necessary other Accidental Superficial needlesse which makes some sins openly and manifestly convinced yet obstinately persisted in without any repentance in this life not to be mortal as the Papists do Barrows refut p. 24. We have learned to put difference betwixt Errour and Heresie Obstinacy joyned to Errour after it is duely convinced maketh Heresie And further we say that any Errour being obstinately holden and taught after it is duely convinced and reproved maketh an Heretike and Heresie in that party and in that Congregation that so holdeth and teacheth doth separate from the Faith and Communion of Christ Ibid. p. 27. It is his Scholastical or rather Sophistical distinction of Errours Fundamental c. They who obstinately hold any Errour or Transgression and will not by repentance be purged there from lose Christ and so hold not the Foundation BB Bar. dis p. 33. Such like detestable stuff hath Master Calvin in his ignorance partly to confute that damnable sect of Anabaptists which fantastically dream to themselves of a Church in this life without spot and for every Transgression that ariseth are ready to forsake the fellowship of the Church without due and orderly reproof CC Rob. Apol. p. 81. Formalis ecclesiae constitutio est ex fidei resipiscentiae confessione orali per adultos facta consociatio in particulares coetus DD Confession of faith p. 34. Being come forth of this Antichristian estate to the true profession of Christ beside the instructing of their own Families they are willingly to come together in Christian communion and orderly to Covenant and unite themselves in visible Congregations A light for the ignorant p. 12. This voluntary uniting is the form and being of the politick and visible Vnion and Communion EE Robins Just p. 107. This we hold and affirm that a company consisting though but of two or three gathered by a covenant made to walk in all the ways of God known unto them is a Church and so hath the whole power of Christ Ibid. p. 111. Two or three thus gathered together have the same right with two or three thousand neither the smallnesse of the number nor meanesse of the persons can prejudice their rights FF Johns plea. p. 250. The constitution of every particular Church should be such that each of them may ordinarily come together in one place for the worship of God and all other duties belonging to them by the Word of God Rob. Apol. p. 12. Statu●mus non debere ecclesias particulares ambitu suo plura membra complecti quam quae in unum locum simul coire possunt GG Vide supra X Y. HH Bar. dis p. 190. They suite to bring Christ in by the Arm of Flesh by suiting and supplicating to his vassals and servants If so be they can imagine them Christians that will not suffer Christ to reign over them by his Laws and Ordinances If they judge them no Christians then they suite and stay on his enemies till they will suffer Christ to reign and rule over his own Church II Confession p. 34. Beside the instruction of their Families they are willingly to come together and unite themselves in visible Congregations Then such to whom God hath given gifts to interpret the Scriptures may and ought by the appointment of the Congregation to prophecy and so to teach publikely the Word of God untill such time as God manifest men with able gifts to such Offices as Christ hath appointed for the publike Ministery of the Church but no Sacrament to be administred untill the Pastors or Teachers be chosen and ordained to their Office KK Barr. dis pag. 34. Which people thus gathered are to be esteemed an holy Church and hath power to receive into and cast out of their fellowship although they have attained to have yet among them neither a Ministery nor Sacraments providing it be not by any default in them that they be wanting Ibid. It is manifest that all the Members of the Church have alike interest in Christ in his Word in the Faith That all the affairs of the Church belong to the Body together That all the actions of the Church Prayers Sacraments Censures Faith be the action of them all joyntly and of every one severally although the Body to divers actions uses divers Members which it knows most fit for the same all the charged to watch admonish reprove and hereunto have the power of the Lord the Keyes of the Kingdom even the Word of the most High whereby to binde the Rulers in chains and their Nobles in fetters to admonish the greatest even Archippus to look to his Ministery and if need be to plead with their Mother LL Canns Necessity of Sep p. 29. None may hear or joyn in spiritual Communion with that Ministery which hath not a true Vocation and Calling by Election Approbation and Ordination of that faithful People whereto he is a Minister Ibid. p. 46. So necessary is a right election and calling to every Ecclesiastike Office that without the same it cannot possibly be true or lawful Barr. Refut p. 30. The Minister must not onely be called to a true Office but must have a lawful calling to that Office otherwise he is but an intruder a theef and a murderer Every particular Congregation ought to make choice of their own Pastors MM A Light for p. 17. In the false Church the particular Congregations have no Authority to produce or raise Officers out of themselves for the Clergy is a distinct Body and sent by their Ecclesiastical Heads and bring their Office and Authority with them NN Bar. Refut p. 19. This power of Ordination is not as the unruly Clergy of these dayes suppose derived from the Apostles and Evangelists under the permanent ministery of Pastors and Elders Ibid. p. 130. Ordination is but a publishing of that former contract and agreement betwixt the whole Church and these elected Officers the Church giving and the Elect receiving their Offices as by the Commandment of God with mutual vow to each other in all duties Canns Necessity of Separ p. 29. None may joyn with that Ministery which hath not a true calling by Election and Ordination of that faithful people to whom he is to administer OO Johns Plea p. 316. It is to be understood according to Ainsworth Robinson and Smith of men women and children in their own persons who are bo●●d in their own persons to be present to hear and judge controversies PP Rob. Justifi p. 9. also p. 111. QQ Light for the ignorant p. 17. These Officers have not onely their Authority from particular Congregations but do arise originally and naturally out of the same RR Vide supra KK Also Bar. Dis p. 125. The least of the Church hath as much power by the
whom they being not satisfied in the answer of an offender may appeale unto and in so doing tell the Church such a small number may be a Church and may have the blessing of his presence to be among them ll Ibid. p. 8 9. When a visible Church is to be erected it is necessary that in respect of quantity it be no more in number in the dayes of the New Testament but so many as may meet in one Congregation mm Ibid. p. 15. The Church is before the Ministers seeing the power of chusing Ministers is given to the Church by Christ nn Ibid. p. 68. The Church that hath no Officers may elect Officers unto themselves therefore it may also ordaine them if it hath power from Christ for the one and that the greater it hath also for the other which is the lesser now Ordination is lesse then Election oo Ibid. p. 42. Vnto the 13 question whether you think it convenient that a company of private and illiterate persons should ordinarily examine elect ordaine and depose their Ministers a part of the answer to this question is if there were none among them who had humane learning we doe not see how this could hinder them of their Liberty to chuse Ministers purchased to them by Christs precious blood for they that are fit matter to be combined into a Church body have learned the Doctrine of the holy Scriptures in the fundamentall points thereof they have learned to know the Lord in their owne hearts therefore they may not bee reproached as illiterate or unworthy to chuse their owne Ministers nay they have the best learning without which all other learning is but madnesse and folly pp Plaine Dealing p. 3. They set a day for the Ordination of their Officers and appoint some of themselves to impose hands upon them where there are Ministers or Elders before they impose their hands upon the new Officers but where there is none there some of their chiefest men two or three of good report amongst them though not of the Ministry doe by appointment of the same Church lay hands upon them Cottons way p. 40 41. Towards the end of the day one of the Elders of the Church if they have any if not one of the graver Brethren of the Church appointed by themselves to order the work of the day standeth up and enquireth in the Church c. he advertiseth him who is chosen what duties the Lord requireth of him in that place towards the Church then with the Presbytery of that Church if they have any or if not with two or three others of the gravest Christians among the Brethren of that Church being deputed by the body he doth in the name of the Lord Jesus ordaine him to that Office with imposition of hands calling upon the Lord and so turning the speech to the person on whom their hands are imposed he as the mouth of the Presbytery expresses their Ordination of him and puts a solemne charge upon him to look well to himselfe and the flock After this the Elders of other Churches present observing the presence of God in the orderly proceeding of the Church to the Officers Election and Ordination one of them in the name of all the rest doth give unto him the right hand of Fellowship in the sight of all the Assembly qq Answer to the 32 questions p. 48. If the Church hath power by election to chuse a Minister and so power of instituting him then of destituting also Instituere destituere ejusdem est potestatis rr Ibid. p. 44. We conceive that every Church properly so called though they bee not above ten persons or the least number that you mention have right and power from Christ to transact all their owne Ecclesiasticall businesse if so be they be able and carry matters justly for the power of the Keyes Matth. 16.19 is committed by Christ unto the Church ss Cottons Catechism p. 10. It is committed to the Presbytery to prepare matters for the Churches hearing tt Answer to the 32 quest p. 60. In this sense matters with us are carried according to the vote of the major part that is with the joynt consent of the whole Church but yet because it is the mind of Christ ww The propositions to which almost all our Elders did agree when they were assembled together the first the Fraternity is the first subject of all Presbyteriall power radicaliter id est causatim per modum collationis non habitualiter non actualiter non formaliter xx Anatom p. 26. I heare of no ruling Elders that ever Mr Simpson had in his Church Anatomist anatomised p. 12. It is true de facto wee had none but were resolved to have them Notwithstanding this answer of Mr Simpsons that Church of Rotterdam to this day hath never had a Presbytery after more then seven yeares delay yy Antap. p. 52. Pastors are necessary Officers in your Churches and yet according to your practises your Churches are many yeares without them zz Keyes p. 10. Authority is a morall power and a superiour Order or State binding or releasing an inferiour in point of subjection Christ hath given no Iurisdiction but to whom he hath given office The Key of power in a large sense or Liberty is in the Church but the Key of authority or rule in a more strict sense is in the Elders of the Church aaa Excommunication is one of the highest acts of Rule and therfore cannot bee performed but by some Rulers now where all the Elders are culpable there be no Rulers left in that Church to censure them as therefore the Presbytery cannot excommunicate the whole Church though apostate for they must tell the Church and joyne with the Church in that censure so neither can the Church excommunicate the whole Presbytery because they have not received from Christ an Office of Rule without their Officers Ib. preface p. 4. He gives unto the Elders or Presbytery a binding power of Rule and Authority peculiar unto them and to the Brethren distinct and apart an interest of power and priviledge to concurre with them and that such affaires should not be transacted but with the joynt agreement of both though out of a different Right so that as a Church of Brethren only could not proceed to any publike censures without they have Elders over them so neither in the Church have the Elders power to censure without the concurrence of the people so as each alone have not power of excommunicating the whole of either though together they have power over any particular person or persons in each bbb Ibid. also Keyes p. 13. Else the Brethren have a power of order and the priviledge to expostulate with their brethren in case of private scandals so in case of publike scandall the whole Church of brethren have power and priviledge to joyne with the Elders in inquiring hearing judging of publike scandals so as to bind notorius offenders and impenitents under censure and
authority as Cosessors with him at the last Iudgement Luk. 22.27 to 30. sssss For this the Apologists did plead as much and as sharply as any ttttt I have heard some of their chiefe men discourse publikely enough to this purpose wwwww Cottons Catechism p. 10. The body of the Church hath power from Christ to enquire and heare and assist in the judgement of all publike scandals xxxxx Vide supra Chap. 4. TT yyyyy Vide supra Chap. 6. tt zzzzz Answer to the 32 Quest p. 61. If it appeare they who dissent from the major part are factiously or partially carried the rest labour to convince them of their errour by the rule if they yeeld the consent of all comfortably concurreth in the matter if they still continue obstinate they are admonished and so standing under censure their vote is nullified aaaaaa Ibid. If the difference still continue the sentence is still demurred even till other Churches have beene consulted with if the Church or the Elders should refuse the Testim●ny of other Churches according to God they will deny them the right hand of Fellowship c. bbbbbb Short story p. 32. Then M●stris Hutchinson kept open house for all commers and set up two Lecture dayes in the week when they usually met at her house three or fourscore persons the pretence was to repeat Sermons but when that was done she would comment upon the Doctrines and interpret all passages at her pleasure she did lay all that opposed her being neare all the Elders and most of the faithfull Christians in this Countrey under a Covenant of works to advance her Master-piece of immediate revelations wherin she had not failed of her aime to the utter subversion both of Churches and civill State if the Lord had not prevented it Ibid. p. 34. What say you to your weekly publike meetings Answ There were such meetings in use before I came we began it with five or six and though it grew to more in future time yet being tolerated at the first I knew not why it might not continue The Courts reply There were private meetings indeed and are still in many places of some few ne●ghbours we allow you to teach younger women privately and upon occasion but that gives no warrant for such set meetings for that purpose neither do yee teach them that which the Apostle commands to keep at home cccccc Apologet. Nar. p. 19. To the Magistrate we give as much and a● we think more then the principles of the Presbyteriall Government will suffer them to yeeld dddddd Williams paper Prop. 2. That the Saints are not to submit to the powers of the world or worldly powers and that the powers and governments of the world have nothing to doe with them for civill misdemeanors these Governours must keep in their owne spheare as Whales not to govern Whales but other fishes Lions not to governe Lions but the beasts of the forrest Eagles not to governe Eagles but the other foules of the ayre eeeeee Mr Williams related to me that Mistris Hutchinson with whom he was familiarly acquainted and of whom he spake much good after she had come to Rid Island and her husband had beene made Governour there she perswaded him to lay downe his Office upon the opinion which newly she had taken up of the unlawfulnesse of Magistracy ffffff Bloody Tenet p. 135. Williams sets down these words of Cottons modell The proper meanes whereby the civill power may and should attaine its end are only politicall and principally these five First the erecting and establishing what forme of civill Government may seem in wisedome most meet according to the generall rules of the Word and state of the people upon these words Williams comments thus from this grant I inferre that the Soveraign originall and foundation of civill power lies in the people whom they must needs meane by the civill power distinct from the Government set up and if so that a people may erect and establish what forme of Government seems to them most meet for their civill condition it is evident that such Governments as are by them erected and established have no more power nor for no longer time then the civill power or people consenting and agreeing shall betrust them with This is cleare not only in reason but in the experience of all Common-weals where the people are not deprived of their naturall freedome by the power of Tyrants How right this Commentary is Mr Cottons own words will declare set downe p. 140. In a free State no Magistrate hath power over the Bodies Goods Lands Liberties of a free people but by their free consent and because free men are not free Lords of their owne estates but are only stewards under God therefore they may not give their free consents to any Magistrate to dispose upon their Bodies Lands and Liberties at large as themselves please but as God the Soveraigne Lord of all pleases and because the Word is a perfect rule as well of righteousnesse as of holinesse it will be therefore necessary that neither the people give consent nor that the Magistrate take power but according to the lawes of the Word gggggg Vide supra Chap. 5. E. hhhhhh Bastwicks Independency second part Postscript p. 65. It may evidently appeare that all the projects of the Independents in getting prime places by Sea and Land and in the Armies and in the Townes Cities Forts and Castles and all other places and in all Committees is only for the advancement and fomenting of their Faction and this I conceive to be the only cause of all the linsie-woolsie Committees through the Kingdom iiiiii Williams Examination pag. 4. After my publike triall one of the most eminent Magistrates stood up and spoke Mr Williams said he holds forth that it is not lawfull to call a wicked person to sweare to pray as being actions of Gods worship kkkkkk Vide supra Chap. 3. TT WW AAA kkkkkk 2 Lieutenant Generall Cromwells Letter to the Parliament from Bristoll As for being united in formes commonly called uniformity every Christian for peace sake would study and doe as farre as Conscience would permit and from Brethren in things of the minde we look for no compulsion but that of Light and Reason in other things God has put the sword into the Parliaments hands for the terrour of evill doers and the praise of them that doe well if any plead exemption from it he knowes not the Gospell llllll Vide supra Chap. 2. HHHHH IIIII KKKKK mmmmmm 1 Vide supra ibid. mmmmmm 2 Vide infra mmmmmm 3. mmmmmm 3 Cottons Modell of power in the Bloody Tenet p. 140. The Magistrate in making Lawes about civill and indifferent things in the Common-wealth First he hath no power given him of God to make what Lawes he pleases either in restraining from or constraining to the use of indifferent things because that which is indifferent in its nature may sometimes be inexpedient in its use and consequently
of the Churches infancy they were Idolatry false doctrine open profanenesse were then most abominable and more terribly punished then now by the totall destruction of whole Cities and Countries wherein they were entertained also the duty of mutuall inspection and admonition the contempt whereof is made the grand cause of separation was most clearly enjoyned in the Old Testament What here is replyed that all separation from the Iewish Church was simply impossible because then there was no other Church in the whole earth to goe to We answer that the Replyers themselves will say that a separation must be where there is just cause and where a person cannot abide without pollution and sin although there be no other Church for him to go to for they make it better for men to live alone separate from all then to abide in any Church where they cannot live without the participation of their neighbours sinnes We answer further That it was easie for the godly under the Law to have joyned together in the service of God and to have excluded the wicked thence and whereas it is said that this could not bee done because the Censure of Excommunication was not then in being We answer the Gospel makes it cleare That casting out of the Synagogue which was reall Excommunication was frequent in the Old Testament as also the keeping off from the service with a great deale of circumspection all who were unfit by any legall pollution much more by any known morall uncleannesse Kings themselves when polluted were removed from the Altar and put out of the Sanctuary Again I reason thus That which moved not Christ and his Apostles to separate from the Church of their time is no cause to us of separation but want of satisfaction by convincing signes of the true grace of every member of the Church was to them no cause of separation from the Churches of their times Ergo. The major is cleare except we desire a better pattern for our practices then Christ and his Apostles what ever carrieth us beyond their line must be high presumption and deep hypocrisie The minor is cleare by many Scriptures the Scribes and Pharisees were a generation of vipers Ierusalem worse then Sodom and Gomorrah Corasin and Bethsaida was worse then Tyrus and Sidon and to be cast lower in Hell then these yet the Lord did not give over to preach to pray to go to the Temple with them Iudas when a declared Traytor did not scarre him nor any of his company from the Sacrament After he went from the Table when his wickednesse was revealed that a Devill was in him yet none of the Apostles offered to cast themselves out of the body because this wicked member was not cut off Many members of the Apostolick Churches were so farre from convincing signes of true grace that the works of the flesh were most evident in their life In the Corinthians fundamentall errours open Idolaty grievous scandall bitter contentions profanation of the Lords Table In the Galatians such errours as destroyed grace and made Christ of none effect In the Church of Ephesus of Laodicea and the other golden Candlesticks divers members were so evidently faulty that the Candlestick is threatned to be removed yet from none of these Churches did any of the Apostles ever separate nor gave they the least warrant to any of their Disciples to make a separation from any of them A third Argument The want of that which never was to bee found in any Church is no just cause of separation But satisfaction by convincing Arguments of the true grace of every member was never to be found in any Church The major is unquestionable for what is not cannot have any operation non entis nulla sunt accidentia The minor is demonstrable from the nature of a visible Church it is such a body whose members are never all gracious if we believe Scripture It is not like the Church invisible the Church of the Elect. It is an heterogeneous body the parts of it are very dissimilar some chaffe some corne some wheat some tares a net of fishes good and bad a house wherein are vessels of honour and dishonour a fold of sheep and goats a tree of green and withered branches a table of guests some with some without a wedding garment in a word every visible Church is a society wherein many are called few chosen except therefore we will alter the nature of all visible Churches whereof Scripture speaks we must grant that in every Church there are some members which have no true grace and if so how can they give convincing and satisfactory signes of that which is not to be found Hypocrites may make a shew without of that which is not within but shall we lay an obligation upon every hypocriticall member of a Church to be so eminently skilfull in the art of counterfeiting as to produce in the midst of his gracelesnesse so cleare so evident and satisfactory signes of his true grace as may convince the hearts of every one of the Church that the thing is within the mans breast which certainly is not there The fourth Argument The want of that which cannot reasonably be supposed of every member of a Congregation is no just cause of separation from any Church but satisfaction c. Ergo. The major is cleare for if the want of such satisfaction be a just cause of separation from the Church Then the presence of such a satisfaction is very requisite to be in every member as a necessary meane to keep it in union with that Church The minor that such a satisfaction may not justly be supposed in every member of a Congregation for this would import these foure things all which are unreasonable First that every member of a Congregation is to have power to try all its fellow-members to let them in or hold them out according as in this triall he is satisfied This is a large limb of the Brownistick Anarchy putting the key of Authority and Iurisdiction into the hand of every Church-member if all the Independents will defend this let them speak it out plainly Secondly it requires a great deale of more ability in every member of every Church then can be found in any mortall man for not to speak of the impossibility of a grounded and certaine perswasion of true grace in the heart of an Hypocrite who hath no grace at all how is it possible to attaine unto any grounded certainty of true grace in the heart of any other man for the hid man of the heart and the new name are not certainly known to any but to such as have them The grounds of a mans own certain perswasion the act of his faith either direct or reflex the witnesse of his conscience or the seale of the spirit cannot go without his own breast all the demonstrations which can be made to another are so oft found false that in understanding men they
can breed at most but a fallible opinion or a charitable hope which is farre from any certainty either of sense or science much more of faith or immediate revelation Thirdly it layeth a burthen unsupportable to the strongest upon the conscience of every weak one they must ever be in perplexity and doubt what to do whether to stay in the Church or under the pain of sin to separate from it till they have accurately examined and after all needfull triall attained to a full satisfaction and assurance of minde of the regeneration of every member were they never so many of that Church whereunto he belongeth The burden of such a task might break the back of the strongest Pastor much more of a silly Lamb. Fourthly this presupposeth that all Congregations must of new be gathered and all their members admitted of new which none may grant who minds not for the Independents pleasure at once to dissolve all the Reformed Churches and to avow that every person though born in the true Church within the Covenant of grace sealed in Baptism with the seale of God religiously educated in the feare and knowledge of God is notwithstanding without the Church and no member of the body of Christ till he be admitted to the Lords Supper Ordinarily in all Chistendom persons are actuall members of the Church wherein they were borne of faithfull parents baptised and Christianly educated before they be admitted to the holy Table The case and question of admitting members by a Congregation after all are convinced of the true grace of him who craveth membership among them is but a new rash unjust case of the Independents which will inferre the gathering of new Churches the dissolution of all our old ones and lay a high royall street for Anabaptism excluding all our baptised children from Church-membership till they give personall satisfaction of their true grace and enter into a formall expresse Covenant I adde but one other reason No reall absurdity doth follow upon any divine truth but divers reall absurdities follow necessarily upon the ground of Separation in hand Ergo the ground of Separation in hand is no divine truth but an evill errour The major no man controverts for every true consequent is a stream that flowes out of the antecedent as its fountaine as the fountain is bitter or sweet so are the streams from a true antecedent a false consequent by no force can be extorted if the consequent be rotten it is a sure sign the antecedent is not sound The absurd consequents I name for the proofe of the minor are First That then it shall be necessary to separate from all the Churches that are this day in the world except alone from these of the Independent way for no other Church doth so much as intend or assay to give assurance to every one of their members of the true grace of all the rest but on the contrary they teach such an endeavour to be both impossible and unreasonable The absurdity of the consequent is so cleare that I pursue it no farther then to this Dilemma If it be necessary to separate from all the Churches of the world but the Independents Then all other Churches but theirs are false or else it is lawfull to separate from Churches that are true but neither of these will sound well in a Protestant eare The second absurd consequent That then it was necessary to separate from all other Churches that have been in any former time for not one of them ever no not the greatest Schismaticks the Novatians the Donatists themselves did ever minde that every one of their members should so narrowly examine all their fellows as to come to a certain perswasion of their reall regeneration The third consequent That then to the worlds end no Church anywhere can have any solid foundation for this principle is a mountain of quick-silver that rests not till all the Churches builded upon it be quite overthrown The conviction of every members conscience of the true faith and grace of all their fellow-members is so sandy a foundation that nothing builded upon it can stand What else hath broken in halfes and quarters and demi-quarters these separate Societies What made them of Amsterdam first break off from England then from Holland and all the Reformed then among themselves once and the second time What made Smith at Leyden after he had fallen off from England next to leave the Brownists and after the Anabaptists till at last he broke off from all Christians to the Arrian heresie What else doth drive many of Old and of New-England when they have run about the whole circle of the Sects at last to break out into the newest way of the Seekers and once for all to leap out of all Churches betaking themselves to their devotions apart here indeed it is and no where else where they come to a possibility of satisfaction of the inward estate of these in their way that is of themselves alone This is the reward of presumptuous errour it cannot rest when it hath led the seduced soule about the whole round of the fancies of the time till at last it throw it out of all that is called or so much as pretended to be a Church The reasons alledged for the opposite Tenet may be seen in the Brownists Apology also in Robinsons Iustification in Cans necessity of Separation in Barrows Discovery but for shortnesse we will only consider what is brought by Mr Cotton in his Way of the Churches for there the best of the Brownists arguments are brought in the greatest lustre and strength which Mr Cotton thought meet to put upon them Also what there is brought by Mr Cotton is acknowledged by our Brethren as their judgement without the haesitation of any marginall asterisk which when they dissent or doubt they professe to affix to some other passages of that book The best form I can set on his first argument is this If every member of each Church is not only in profession but in sincerity and truth to be a Saint and faithfull then the Officers and body of each Church must take triall and be satisfied of the true faith and sanctification of every person before they receive him into the Church but every member of each Church is not only in profession but in sincerity and truth to be a Saint and faithfull Ergo the Officers and body of each Church must take triall and be satisfied of the true faith and sanctification of every person before they receive him into the Church All the proofe is bestowed upon the minor from these Scriptures which make all the members of the Church to bee Saints by calling and faithfull Brethren the Church it selfe to be the body of Christ the Temple of the holy Ghost the spouse of Christ the sons and daughters and children of God We answer that no part of this argument is sound The major
fellowshippe especially with the Saints is a preservative against the beginnings of evill and a retractive therefrom when begunne Every gratious neighbour is a Counsellour and Pedagogue the greater the incorporation is of such the better is every Member directed and the more strengthened Hence the goodnesse of God hath ordained not onely the planting of particular men into a small body of one single Congregation but for the greater security both of Persons and Congregations the Lord hath increased that Communion of Churches by binding neighbour Congregations in a larger and stronger Body of a Presbytery or Classis yea a number of Presbyteryes by the same hand of God are combined in a Synode neither this onely but for the strengthening of every stone and of the whole building the Lord hath appointed the largest societies that are possible the very Church universall and the representation thereof an Oecumenick Assembly This congregative way is divine the dissolution of humane societies especially of Ecclesiasticke Assemblyes must be from another Spirit The first we know to have opposed the holy Societyes we speake of were Anabaptists who liking a Catholicke anarchy in all things and pressing an universall liberty did strive to cut in peeces all the bands as of Politicke and Oeconomick union whereby Kingdomes and States Cities and Familyes did stand so also of the Ecclesiasticke conjunction making every person at last fully free from all servitude and simply independent or uncontrolable in any of his owne opinions or desires by any mortall man Their first follower among the reformed was one John Moreau a Parisian who in the French Churches did vent the Independency of Congregations from Synods and the popular government of these Independent Congregations But his scismatick pamphlet came no sooner abroad then the French Divines did most unanimously trample upon it In their generall Assembly at Rochell most Reverend Beza Moderator for the time and in their next Assembly Learned Sadeell with others did so fully confute these Anabaptistick follies that thereafter in France this evill Spirit did never so much as whisper only in Holland in the Arminian times it began to speake by the tongue of Grotius and others of his fellowes who being conscious to themselves of Tenets whereunto they despared the assent of any Synode yea fearing to be prejudged in the propagation of their errours by a crosse Sentence of a Nationall Assembly did set themselves to call in question and at last to deny the Authority and Jurisdiction of all Church meetings But when the goodnesse of God in that happy Synode of Dort did crush the other errours of that Party this their fansie did evanish and since in these bounds hath beene buried in Oblivion By what meanes this Anabaptistick roote which neither France nor Holland could beare when Grotius and Morellius did assay to plant it doth thrive so well in England after Browne and Barrow with their followers did become its dressers I have declared at length before However the Novelty of the Tenet the Infamie of its Authours the evill successe it hath had whereever yet it hath set up the head doth burden it with so just contempt that all further audience might be denyed thereto yet in this impudent and malapertage where the greatest absurdityes will importunately ingyre themselves and require beleefe as unanswerable and most covincing truths unlesse in a full hearing their naughtinesse be demonstrate we are content without all prejudices to reason the matter it selfe from the ground and to require no man to hate this errour for its Authours or any externall consideration unlesse it be cleerely showne to be contrary to the revealed will of God The state of the Question hath no perplexitie if its termes were cleared The Brownists affirme that every Parish Church that every single Congregation is Independent from any Presbytery any Synod any Assembly This we deny affirming the true dependence and subordination of Parochiall Congregations to Presbyteries and of these to Synods to which we ascribe power authority and Jurisdisdiction Before wee fall to reasoning let us understand the words which in this debate doe frequently occurre First what is a Parochiall Church or single Congregation Secondly What is its independence Thirdly What is a Presbytery and a Presbyteriall Church Fourthly What is a Synod Fifthly What is Authoritie and Jurisdiction Ecclesiasticall We intend no definitions but such popular descriptions as may make cleare what the parties use to understand by these words A particular Church a Parish or Congregation in this Question is taken for a company of faithfull people every one whereof in the face of the whole Congregation hath given so cleare tokens of their true grace and regeneration as hath satisfied the minde of all A company I say incorporate by a particular Covenant and Oath to exercise all the parts of Christian Religion in one place under one Pastor Our Opposits affirme that in one Church there must be but one Pastor assisted indeede with a Doctor and three or foure Elders yet no more Pastors but one They will admit into a Church no more people then commodiously and at their ease may convene in one house how few they be they care not ten families or forty persons to them are a faire Church you have heard that some of their Churches have beene within the number of foure persons Independencie is the full liberty of such a Church to discharge all the parts of Religion Doctrine Sacraments Discipline and all within it selfe without all dependence all subordination to any other on earth more or fewer so that the smallest Congregation suppose of three persons though it fall into the grossest heresies may not be controlled by any Orthodoxe Synod were it Oecumenicke of all the Churches on earth A Presbytery as it is called in Scotland or a Classis as in Holland or a Collogue as in France is an ordinary meeting of the Pastors of the Churches neerly neighbouring of the ruling Elders deputed therefrom for the exercise chiefely of discipline so farre as concernes these neighbouring Churches in common A Presbyteriall Church is a company of Professors governed by one Prysbytery who for the exercise of Religion meete in diverse places or who have moe Pastors then one A Synod is a convention of Pastors and Elders sent and deputed from diverse Presbyteries meeting either ordinarily or upon occasion for the affaires that are common to those that sent them Ecclesiasticke Jurisdiction is a right and power not onely by advice to counsell and direct but by authority given of God to injoyne and to performe according to the rule of Scriptures these things which concern the Ordination of Ministers the deciding of Ecclesiasticall Causes the determination of Doctrines the inflicting of Censures c. The signification of these words being presupposed the state of the Question or minde of the parties can not be obscure The first Argumen for the truth I cast into this Forme Every Independent
the heavens must receive till the time of the restitution of all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all the holy Prophets since the world began This place proveth clearely the aboade of Christs body in the heaven till the time of the restitution of all things So much our Brethren grant but they deny our assumption that the time of the restitution of all things is the last day this therefore we prove not by the Testimony of all the reformed who unanimously bring this place as a maine ground against the Papists and Lutherans in the questions of Transubstantiation and Ubiquity but by three reasons from the Text it selfe First that time here is understood when all things that are spoken of by all the Prophets are performed But all things spoken of by all the Prophets are not performed till the last day Master Burrowes alleadgeance that all the Prophets are frequent and large upon the Raigne of the 1000 yeares but rare and sparing upon the doctrine of the last Judgement and life eternall might well have beene spared for the one halfe of it and left to the Socino-Remonstrants but suppose it were all true yet if any of the Prophets have spoken any thing at all of the last Judgement as the Apostle Jude puts it out of question even of Enoch it is cleare that the time of the performing of all things which any of the Prophets have spoken cannot possibly exist before the last Judgement as we may see Rom. 8. ver 21. compared ver 18.23 where the restitution of the creatures to their desired liberty comes not before the redemption of our bodyes and the glory to be revealed upon the whole Church at the last day Secondly the time here spoken of is when the Jewes to whom Peter did speake were to be refreshed by the Lords presence but this shall not be before the Generall resurrection for the Chiliasts doe maintaine that all the Jewes shall not rise neither that any of them to whom the Apostle did then speake shall be partakers of the first resurrection unlesse some of them who were Martyres for the honour and Glory of this first resurrection the most of them make it so rare and singular a priviledge that Daniel himselfe does not obtaine it but by a speciall promise Thirdly The time when God doth solemly before Men and Angels declare the absolution and blotting out of the sinnes of all his people is not before the last day But this is the time whereof the Apostle Peter speakes in the present place as appeares by the 19 verse That your sinnes may be blotted out when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. Take but one other place for Christs aboade in the heaven till the last day John 14.2.3 I goe to prepare a place for you I will come againe and receive you to my selfe that where I am there you may be Behold Christ goes to the heaven and comes backe againe but once for this very end to take his Disciples with him not to abide with them upon the earth but to place them in the Mansions of his Fathers House in the Heavens which he went to prepare for them wherein all the time of his absence he himselfe was to remaine A Second argument we take from Christs sitting at the right hand of God This errour how innocent soever it seeme to some yet it perverts the true sence of sundry articles of our Creed and forceth its followers to coyne new and false senses to a great many Scriptures whereupon these articles were builded This was the reason why neither Piscator nor Alstedius nor Mead when they laide too fast hold upon some of the branches of Chiliasme yet the bulke and roote of that Tree Christs comming downe to the earth in his humane nature a thousand yeares before the last day they durst never touch but our Brethren have more venturous Spirits they see much further then their Masters they scruple nothing to make all these things popular and Catecheticke doctrine The reason I spoke of is this Christ sits at the right hand of God till the last day Ergo he comes not to reigne on earth a thousand yeares before the last day The consequence is builded upon this Proposition Christs sitting at the right hand of the Father is not in earth but in heaven which many Scriptures prove Ephes 1.20 He set him at his own right hand in heavenly places Heb. 1.3 He sat downe at the right hand of the Majesty on high Heb. 8.1 He is set on the right hand of the Throne of the Maiesty in the heavens The antecedent I prove thus He sits at the right hand of God till all his enemies be made his footstoole So speakes the Psalmist Psal 110.1 But all his enemies are not made his footstoole till the last day for till then Satan Sinne Death and all wicked men are not fully destroyed Our third argument we take from the resurrection of the dead All the Godly at Christs comming from heaven doe rise immediately to a Heavenly Glory Ergo none of them doe arise to a Temporall glory of a thousand yeares upon earth The antecedent see in Heb. 9.28 Vnto them that looke for him shall he appeare the second time without sin unto salvation Christ hath but two times of comming to the earth first in weakenes to die upon the Crosse The second time in glory to give eternall Salvation without distinction to all beleevers who looke for his comming Also 1 Thes 4.14 Them which sleepe in Jesus will he bring with him The Lord himselfe shall discend from heaven with a shout and the dead in Christ shall rise first then we which are alive shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meete the Lord in the ayre and so shall we be ever with the Lord. The ground of comfort which the Apostle propounds to the Thessalonians for all their dead as well Martyrs as others was their resurrection not before the Lords comming with the voice of the Archangell but at that time when all the dead in Christ without exception do arise and non of them abide on the earth but all are caught up in the ayre to meete the Lord and all remaine with him eternally thereafter without any separation See also 1 Cor. 15.22 In Christ shall all be made alive but every man in his owne order Christ the first fruits afterward they that are Christs at his comming then commeth the end when he shall have delivered up the Kingdome to God The Apostle here speakes of the Resurrection of all and particularly of the Martyrs such as with the Apostle dyed daily and every houre were in jepoardy and fought with Beasts although he professes to distinguish the diversity of order that might be in this great worke of the Resurrection yet he affirmes that these who are Christs do not arise till his comming and his comming he makes not to be