Presence are instrumental therein even in Spiritual Baptism as well as the Conversion of Sinners H.O. Other Christians sit under these Ordinances with great delight and they are sweet to their Taste Answ. The converted Souls great Delight and the Fruit that 's sweet unto the Taste thereof is in sitting under the Shadow of her Beloved and partaking of his Living and pleasant Fruit Cant. 2.3 H.O. You do not own Christ for your Lord and Law-giver and the Scriptures for his Law seems plain to us in that you Communicate not in the Body and Blood of Christ at the Table as other Christians do Answ. We both sincerely own Christ for our Lord and Law-giver and the holy Scriptures and do communicate with all spiritual Christians at the Table of the Lord where we livingly partake of Christ that one living Bread from Heaven and the Cup of Blessing which only can and doth comfort strengthen and nourish our Souls to eternal Life as we daily in his Light do wait upon him H.O. On Acts 4.8 and 13.9 These had then Christ within them and yet they sat down at the Supper Acts 2.4 Others fill'd with the Spirit of Christ yet came together to break Bread 1 Cor. 10.16 and 11.26 Paul gives them Directions c. Answ. It s not question'd that they who receiv'd the Word and believed mentioned in Acts 2. did continue in Fellowship and breaking of Bread and daily in the Temple and breaking Bread at home did eat their Meat together with gladness and singleness of Heart which we truly own but also they had all things common they sold their Possessions and Goods and parted them to all Men as every one had need And that the Disciples came together to break Bread Acts 20.7 But the Question is 1. Whether because these Things were done by Believers then they must be practised by the Church of Christ as long as the World lasts if so why are they not all Are all their Temporary Practices Commands If so why do not the present Priests and Professors sell their Possessions and divide them and have all things common 2 And whether Christ's Practice as to the Bread and Cup and Passover in his Supper Luke 22. was therefore an Institution injoyn'd by him to be observed and practised in his Church while the World lasts Christ took brake and gave them Bread and Fish likewise after he was risen Luke 24.30 John 21.13 But we find not that he imposes these as a Sacrament or perpetual Institution to be allways observed in his Church 3. And Paul having recited Christ's Practice says to the Corinthians As oft as ye eat this Bread and drink this Cup ye shew the Lord's Death till he come 1 Cor. 11.26 Was this an universal and perpetual Command to the Church Or was it not fulfilled in Christs COMING which those very Corinthians waited for 1 Cor. 1.7 and 4.5 and which coming of Christ they had then great need of to remove and end the Strifes Divisions Carnality Drunkenness Sleepiness and Disorders among them 1 Cor. 3.3 and 11.21 30 We farther seriously ask 1. If the outward Bread and Cup were not figurative visible Signs or Shadow of something more excellent 2. If outward Types Figutes and Shadows be not of a decreasing and vanishing Nature 3. What perpetual Command and Necessity is there of the Shadow to continue the Substance being come and manifest in Christ's Church 4. Is not Christ the Sum and Substance and end of all outward Shadows Types and Figures and the Bread of Life from Heaven the spiritual Meat and Drink of every sanctified Soul 5. Is not the inward Living and spiritual Enjoyment of Christ and our being truly partakers of Christ far more excellent than the outward Observation of the Shadow to put us only in remembrance of him 6. If the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in Spirit and Power and his Members and Saints spiritual Communion with him their eating and drinking at his Table in his Kingdom Luke 22.16 30. and partaking with him of his spiritual Supper or supping with him Rev. 3 20. do not fully answer and fulfill the end of the Figures and Shadows as being a far more excellent Dispensation Shew us any Thing figurative or shadowish mentioned in Scripture that we cannot shew the substance thereof under the same Term or Title 7. Can any Bread Cup or Wine give Life unto or nourish the Soul unto Eternal Life then that which is spiritual the Bread of Life and Wine of the Kingdom of Christ even the same Bread and Wine in Wisdom's House Prov. 9.5 Pray seriously consider these Questions for they are serious and to us of concern H.O. Say they i. e. the Quakers That Christ enlightens every Man that comes into the World I told them that was with the Light of Nature Answ. Where proves he that Light of Christ in every Man John 1.9 is but the Light of Nature By what Scripture proves he this when 't is expresly said In him was Life and the Life was the Light of Men John 1.4 which rather proves it a divine and spiritual Light for that Life that was in Christ the Eternal Word was the Light of Men. Can this be the Light of Nature How great is the Darkness of such Preachers who so teach H.O. That you do not own Christ for your Lord and Teacher you do not own the Ministry of such men who are lawfully called set apart by such as have lawful Authority in the Church It is plain in Scripture Christ gave some Apostles some Prophets and some Evangelists c. for the perfecting of the Saints c. Answ. The first part charged against us is not true we do own Christ's Ministry and Ministers sent by him who are gifted and qualified for the Work of his Ministry but such Ministers as were never called gifted nor qualified by Christ but made and authorized only by Men and who deny any immediate Call or Revelation from Christ in these Days and who in their Preaching oppose Perfection and living without sinning in this Life such we do and shall deny and testifie against H.O. Are all Apostles are all Prophets What may every Man or Woman speak in the Church Oh no. Answ. Though all are not such yet if the Spirit of the Lord be upon them to speak or prophesie as he has promised Joâ—l 2. that 's not to be limited nor quenched Ye may all prophesie one by one 1 Cor. 14.31 And there were Women among them Chap. 11.5 Therefore the Prohibition to their Women 1 Cor. 14 34· was not General nor comprehending all States and Attainments of Christian Women nor yet to make void that Prophecy Joel 2.28 29. nor to hinder godly Women gifted and qualified from their Duty of being Teachers of good things Titus 2.3 H.O. Take heed to thy self and thy Doctrin continue in them 1 Tim. 4.15 16. That is be constant in Preaching noâ— in your Study one day and at Plow the next
own bare ipse dixit must bear us all down But note by the way that our Friends questioning the Term human as applied to Christ or to the Soul of Christ is still in honour and respect to Christ they taking the Term as originally relating to the Earth of which Man was made and not opposing it simply as it relates to Mankind nor questioning Christ's being perfect Man in Soul Spirit and Body as well as God over all in respect to his Divine Power and Oneness with the Father but being the Heavenly Man the Lord from Heaven the Question is if Human be not too low a Term for his Soul Charge 8 and 9. Against our Friends E.B.W.P. and F.H. 1 st For asking Where dost thou Read in all the Scriptures that God doth require satisfaction for the Sins of the Elect or laid any thing to their Charge 2 ly For cautioning against saying That God should condemn his innocent Son that he having satisfied for our Sins we might be justified by the Imputation of his Righteousness 3 ly And against F.H. for saying You are only talking of Christ at a Distance and his Righteousness as far from you as betwixt Earth and Heaven and here is your Justification Godâ—s Righteousness in you justifies Obs. Now seeing this our Adversary has put all these Passages under the Title of Unchristianity and Antichristianity charged on the Quakers Ancient Friends May we not justly place the contrary upon him that his Christianity is 1. That God requires satisfaction for the Sins of the Elect and charge them 2. That he did condemn his Innocent Son to satisfie Divine Justice for our Sins and to justifie us by the Imputation of his Righteousness whilst Christ is at a Distance and his Righteousness as far from us as betwixt Earth and Heaven and not in us Now first observe His thus excluding Christ Jesus and his Righteousness and Justification out of his People and so leaving People in their Sins all their days is expresly contrary to Holy Scripture Testimony contrary to the Righteousness of Faith and Testimony thereof say not in thine heart who shall ascend into Heaven that is to bring Christ from above c. Rom. 10.6 7 8. as well as to the Nature Intent and Tendence of Justification Redemption Pardon and Acceptance with God in Christ Jesus See Rom. 8.33 Who shall lay any thing to the Charge of God's Elect It 's God that justifieth and 1 Cor. 6.11 Such were some of you but ye are washed but ye are sanctified but ye are justified in the Name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God and Heb. 13.20 21. Where the Apostle both prayed for their perfection and that God would work in them that which was well pleasing in his sight through Jesus Christ our Lord. See also these Scriptures Isa. 26.12 and ch 60.21 Psal. 32.1 2. Rom. 4.6 and ch 8.1 Titus 2.14 and ch 3.3 4 5 6. 2 Cor. 13.5 Rom. 2.13 Heb. 3.14 2 ly To place Man's Justification in a sinful unjust State upon such a kind of satisfaction supposed to Divine Justice that is Vindictive as they call it as by God's condemning his Innocent Son to undergo his Wrath and Punishment due to the Sin of the World in the Sinner's stead as many of our Opposers hold and this seems to be of the same Notion This is to justifie the Wicked and condemn the Just which to do is an abomination to the Lord Prov. 17.15 And thus to render the most dear and innocent Son of God the Subject of his Father's Wrath and of the Execution of his vindictive Justice to indemnifie Offenders continuing in their Sins How can this consist either with Divine Justice it self or with that most glorious Union Divine and Superlative Love that is and ever was between them And though we confess Christ's satisfaction in the Sense that God was always well pleased and satisfied in his dear Son in all he wrought and suffered for Mankind for Man's Redemption yet we find not in Scripture that ever he required such severe and rigid Satisfaction and Payment of our Debts from his Son in our stead or for the Sins of Men and thereby to acquit pardon and justifie the Guilty This Notion or Term Satisfaction and the Understanding of it is confest by Dr. Owen to depend upon some Notion of Law in his Declaration and Vindication and directly opposed and argued against by Dr. Stillingfleet now Bishop of Worcester in his Discourse of the Sufferings of Christ. Page 269 270 271 272 273 275. For he saith It is easie to observe That Socinus his Arguments are levell'd against an Opinion which few who have considered those things do maintain and none need to think themselves obliged to do it which is that Christ pay'd a proper and rigid Satisfaction for the Sins of Men considered under the Notion of Debts and that he pay'd the very same which we ought to have done Charge S.F. In his 9 th Charge again takes upon Trust Clapham's Quotation of a Book Entitled Saul's Errand to Damascus P. 8.9 In these words viz. Christ in the flesh with all that he did and suffered therein was but a Figure and nothing but an Example Obs. We deny these words as a plain Abuse Miscitation and Perversion For in the said Book of Saul's Errand Christ is confest as both the Substance of all Figures Types and Shadows and Example of his People The words are Christ in the Flesh without them is their Example or Figure which is both one as they intended who so writ for his being their Example 1 Pet. 2.21 and 4.1 and 1.15 and John 13.15 are quoted See also Luke 2.31 He was called a Sign Now hence to say he was But a Sign this were a gross Perversion Christ was our Example Now hence to say he was nothing else is an Abuse and alters the Sense as our Adversary has here done upon Trust condemning our Friends as Unchristian c. upon a false Report which is besides all Justice Morality and judicial Proceedings But whether the Word Figure may be in any tollerable sense attributed to Christ is the Question We find in some sense it is with other Words of like Nature and some meaner Characters are given to him as not only Example Figure Form of a Servant Similitude Habit Image c. but he was said to be made Sin and a Curse for us though he knew no Sin nor ever sinned 2 Cor. 5.21 Gal. 3.13 1 Pet. 2.22 His Humiliation Lowliness and suffering for us did not hinder him of his most excellent Glory and Dignity But to the Point in Hand in Heb. 1.3 The Son of God is said to be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 In some rendered Figura Substantiae the Figure of his Substance And Phil. 2.6 7. He took on him the Form of a Servant where 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is Form or Figure and he was made LIKE unto Men and was found in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉
〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Shape or Figure of a Man See the difference in Crit. Sacr. and the Translation of the Church of England In Phil. 2.7 Of Christ its expresly said and found in Figure as a Man as Dr. Fulk against the Papists has it He was also said to be made of a Woman made under the Law to redeem them under it Gal. 4.4 He was Circumcised presented to the Lord with an Oblation Luke 2.21 24. He eat of the Passover c. and thus came under the Law to fulfill it in these Things which were figurative and shadowy yet was the Substance and End of them Charges 10 and 11. Against an Actual keeping of the Law of God so as to avoid all Sin though he grants such a Perfection as imports Sincerity Integrity and Constancy in our utmost endeavours perfectly to keep God's Law entirely to avoid all Sin c. which Perfection he confesses to be requisite to Salvation Yet contrariwise chargeth one of our Friends for saying He had proved by manifest Scriptures that some were perfect in this Life even without Sin and that our Sanctification is Christ himself 1 Cor. 1.30 And another Friend he charges for saying In your Vnbelief you judge that none can live without sinning Obs. Now take the Doctor as believing the contrary thus viz. Though 't is our Duty sincerely to use our utmost endeavours perfectly to keep God's Law and entirely to avoid all Sin yet none were ever so perfect in this Life without Sin and that our Sanctification is not Christ and that 't is our belief to judge that none can live without sinning Thus faithless is this great Doctor how contrary to the Faith of Christ and true Christians is his belief herein And such endeavours for such a Perfection as never attain it but still fall short are not in the true Faith nor so sincere as they should be for Christ said Whatsoever ye ask in my Name believe that ye shall receive it and the same shall be given you Mark 11.24 Luke 11.9 10 11 13. John 14.13 14. and 16 23. Mat. 7.7 And by Faith in Christ comes the Heart to be purified Acts 15.9 And Christ is of God made unto us Wisdom Righteousness Sanctification and Redemption 1 Cor. 1.30 And blessed are the undefiled in the way c. Psal. 119.1 2 3. And seeing the Son of God is manifest for this very purpose to destroy the Works of the Devil 1 John 3. Why then should Sin which is the Devil's Work be thus Preach'd up or contended for by any who profess Faith in Christ Jesus Their's must needs be a faithless Preaching who when they have told People 't is their Duty to use their utmost endeavours entirely to avoid all Sin yet contrarywise tell them That none can live without sining With what Faith or Sincerity can this Man or any of his Brethren engage Childrens God-Fathers and God-Mothers as they call them by Promise and Vow that they shall forsake the Devil and all his Works and yet endeavour to perswade them 't is impossible for them so to do i. e. to live without Sin or to avoid all sinning wherein they obey the Devil and do his Work And note that this Doctor S.F. has in this Point also contradicted the said Doctor Stillingfleet his now Bishop See his Sermon Preach'd before the King March 13. 1666 7. Wherein he does not only plead and argue it as our Duty to obey God's Laws and Commands but the Possibility thereof through the Assistance of his Grace and good Spirit against them who charge God with laying impossible Laws upon Mankind c. and puts the Question What then is wanting but only setting our selves with a serious obedience to them to make his Commands not only not impossible but easy to us Now that this Priest S.F. who styles himself D.D. has apparently contradicted his said Bishop the Contradiction being between the Impossibility and Possibility of living without sining or avoiding all Sin Charge 12. Against some of our ancient Friends for asserting that he calls main fundamental of all our Religion namely The Light and Christ within us and that this Light is in its own being no other than God himself the Christ of God and Saviour of the World the living Principle of God of the Divine Nature c. Obs. And we do not believe this to be either Unchristian or Antichristian as he has rendered it by his Title over it which is no Proof but his own bare Affirmation and Charge wherein he imposes still we preach no other Light but what is Divine of the divine Nature and Being and manifest by degrees in us God is Light and in him is no Darkness at all and hath shined in our Hearts 2 Cor. 4.6 1 John 1.5 And Christ saith I am the Light of the World he that followeth me shall not abide in Darkness John 8.12 and Chap. 12.46 And he saith Believe in the Light that ye may be the Children of the Light John 12.36 And his Apostles Preached not only Christ as without but also Christ as within in Spirit and so did Christ himself John 14.20 and 15.4 and 17.23 2 Cor. 13.5 And therefore our Adversary is far out and shews himself Unchristian in opposing such ancient Christian Doctrin as this of the divine Light and Christ within c. Rendring it both Unchristianity and Antichristianity The Lord deliver poor Souls from such ignorant dark and unchristian Preachers and Doctors who neither know the holy Scriptures nor Jesus Christ nor his divine Light or power of God within them Charge 13. Is about the Holy Scriptures that one said They are not the Word of God not the Rule and Guide of Faith and Life to the Saints but the Spirit of God that gave them forth the Covenant of Life and Peace That a Man may lawfully deny the Scriptures to be the Foundation of Faith and Rule of Life c. That another Friend said Faith is the Ground of the Scriptures and of the Scriptures the Ground of Faith c. With more of like Nature in his Charge elsewhere Answered and Explain'd in our Friends Books quoted by him Obs. Where any of our Friends have said or writ such things it was so far from undervaluing or slighting the Holy Scriptures that the matters here charged as unchristian are agreeable to the very Doctrin of Christ and his Holy Apostles as First That the Word of God is Christ. In the Beginning was the Word John 1. His Name is called The Word of God Rev. 19.13 Secondly That the Spirit of God and Christ is the Saints Guide and Rule of Faith to lead and guide them into all Truth as Christ Jesus promised John 16 â—3 Thirdly That Christ is the Foundation of the Saints Faith and not the Scriptures No other Foundation can any Man lay than that which is laid which is Christ. Fourthly That Faith is the Ground of the Scriptures and not the Scriptures the Ground of Faith