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A40846 A Famous conference between Pope Clement the Xth and Cardinal de Monte Alto concerning the late discovery of the Masse in Holy Scripture made by the worthy Father Patrick, an excellent engineer of the Church of Rome in England Clement X, Pope, 1590-1676. 1674 (1674) Wing F368; ESTC R7044 15,089 35

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Successor I am should have said the contrary and proclaimed them to be Vices He hath done enough to deserve our esteem for ever for he hath found the Masse in Holy Scripture This discovery will do us a great deal of good it will confirm our indulgence approve of our grants of liberty to sin It will secure and fortifie our Monastrical Garrisons and inspire into our noble Monks an invincible courage It will defeat and destroy all the enemies of our State and Kingdom 1 Cor. 3. 15. In a word I am in hopes that this new and seasonable discovery will furnish me with that by which I shall be able to maintain the Authority of St. Peter's Keyes in the World to enlarge my vast Dominions to embellish the palaces of pleasure where Peter took his delight and where I have caus'd his name to be engraven as testimones that I have them from him to encrease my Guards that are not neer so numerous as those that did wait upon St. Peter when he went from place to place to publish the Gospel to maintain his Triple Crown that In the Castle of St. Angelo and elsewhere St. Peter's Name is engraven he hath left me in possession It is very well quoth the Cardinal if it be true but I am in doubt whether it be so and that when the discovery be examin'd it will be found as vaine and groundless as your Temporall power upon those words here are two Swords or your Holinesses preeminency and Infallibility upon that other Text It shall lead you into all truth for your Holiness knows as you did lately avow that unless your possession were stronger and more aparant than your Right you should never obtaine what you now enjoy Your Holiness is obliged to the Ignorance of the Times and the sharpness of your Sword for your Dignity Infallibility and Papal power and not to any weak Text of holy Scripture It is true answered the Pope but this discovery is not to be doubted of and Father Patrick hath convinced me by sending to me a Bible turn'd into French by the Doctors of Lorrain printed at Paris 1664. for in the 3 ch verse 2. of Acts these blessed words are to be read of the Apostles saying Mass to the Lord Although this Translation be in French it is no less useful to England for that Nation naturally loves admires and embraces whatsoever appears to them in a French garb and countenance let it be never so rediculous It is easie to put the words into English as I understand Father Patrick hath already done and confirmed it by the Translation of the English Jesuites of Rheims who have done something more for they have very well mingled their holy Gloss with the obscure Text of Scripture so that we may with ease find in it all our Doctrines in express words Sure saith the Cardinal this Father Patrick hath most excellent Spectacles of an admirable temper seeing they have made him perceive things altogether Invisible for I have often read that passage but I must needs confess my dulness and the dimness of my sight and my Ignorance I could never perceive any such thing nor Imagine that the words could be so Translated for I find in the Greek Text 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 where I have always Imagined that the Word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 did signifie to Minister and serve Now the service and Ministry Intended is to be known only by the circumstances of the Discourse the Latine Translations do thus render the words Ministrantibus illis Domino and the Version of Louvain in French Eux servans en leur Ministere au Seigneur that is they serving in their Ministry to the Lord the very Sequel of St. Lukes discourse discovers what he means by this service and the Ministration for he speaks of certain persons amongst whom were Barnabas and Paul that whiles they were 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ministring unto the Lord when they had Fasted the Holy Ghost warned them to separate from them Barnabas and Paul for the work unto which he had called them therefore he adds when they had fasted and prayed they laid their hands upon them and sent them away where the words when they had fasted and prayed do sufficiently discover the end and accomplishment of the Ministration attributed unto these men From whence we may easily conclude that St. Luke understands by their prayer and fasting acts of Devotion the accomplishmnt of what he had spoken of when he tells of these persons that they were 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The Syrian Translation and the Arabick do discover the Evangelists meaning for they have rendred these words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 whilst they were praying besides we may consider the quality and employments of these men concerned St. Luke tells us that they were Prophets and Doctors It is therefore to be supposed that when he sayes that they were 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and Fasting that they were employed about the Functions and Offices proper to their Callings that is they did minister unto the Lord by prophecying and teaching and that afterwards they did Fast and pray to obtain Gods blessing upon their Labours and Teaching I am certain Cajetan favours this Interpretation for he speaks thus upon this Text The nature of their service and ministry is not here mentioned but because St. Luke names them Prophets and Deacons we are to understand that their Ministry was performed by teaching and preaching Untill this moment may it please your Holiness I was of the opinion of Cajetan that these words do represent the Apostles employed about the duties of their Function and that they did minister to the Lord by teaching and preaching the word to the people by administring the Sacraments and by other acts of piety and devotion I beseech your Holiness to make me understand more perfectly this discovery and how this Reverend Priest hath found the Mass in these words and wherefore he hath given to them this Interpretation I can't very well tell you replyed the Pope I don't much trouble my self to understand the Scripture nor to seek into the Original Text You know very well that these sacred books have no better nor more Honourable place assigned them in our publick Assemblies but my footstool for I am above all Holy Scripture I must not therefore so much abase my self and my dignity to pry and search into it with too much curiosity as if I were to depend only upon that but I l ' tell you as I conceive how he comes to make this good Discovery He is by profession one of my Priests whose employment is daily to Transubstantiate the Bread and the Wine into the Body and Blood of Christ By degrees he is become such an excellent Artist in the Mistery of Transubstantiation that he hath found out an expedient how to Transubstantiate also this and other passages of Holy Scripture and change the words Ministring unto the Lord into these saying Mass
A FAMOUS CONFERENCE BETWEEN POPE CLEMENT the X th AND CARDINAL de Monte Alto Concerning the late Discovery of the MASSE IN Holy Scripture MADE By the Worthy Father Patrick An Excellent Engineer of the CHURCH of ROME in ENGLAND Latet anguis in herba Ridendo dicere verum quis Vetat LONDON Printed by T. R. and N. T. for Moses Pitt at the Angell in St Pauls Church-yard 1674. Honest Reader FAther PATRICK the Popes known Agent in England and the rest of his Disguised Brethren study Night and Day how to cheat poor Souls into a Belief and Profession of that Religion that is destructive to the good of both Body and Soul Subtilty and Fraud as you may perceive in this Conference are not wanting to this good Father in the prosecution of this evill Designe His Looks Carriage and Speech proclaime him to be a Saint I doubt not but some upon whom he hath prevailed to deny their Religion and their God Judg him to be no less But that their mistakes may better appear to our World and that none may be deceived with his fair Face and Countenance nor with that groundless Affirmation That the Mass is to be found in Holy Scripture of which the Papists make great use This short Conference which presents you with nothing but that which may be proved if Questioned hath been Written by a Sincere Friend of the Protestant Religion A CONFERENCE Between a Noted CARDINAL of ROME And the Present POPE CLEMENT the X About a New Discovery of the Popish MASS in Holy Writt Most Holy Father YOu 'l pardon my Curiosity that desires to know wherefore there appears upon your Pontificall Face such extraordinary Expressions of joy His Holiness returned to the worthy Cardinall this answer If my Face bears some testimonies of my Inward satisfaction and joy I have just cause for it for I have even now learnt a Discovery that hath been made in my time that will render my Reign most famous to all Posterity Pope Alexander the 6th was over-joyed to see that in his dayes such a naked and an excellent part of the World as is America was found out I have far more reason to rejoyce because that in my days things of greater concernment that relate to Heaven and Happiness have been searcht out and happily discovrred the Holy Mass is found to be hid in a corner of holy Scripture The Mass in holy Scripture quoth the Cardinall full of admiration how can that be I know not how many have been enquiring for it there and have turned over every page to see whether they could spy any appearance of it in that place and as Obadiah said to Elijah concerning Ahab There is no Nation or Kingdom whither my Lord hath not sent to seek thee and when they said he is not there he took an Oath of the Kingdom and Nation that they found thee not thus as I may say our holy men have dealt with the Scripture and the Mass there is scarce a page or a Verse that hath been diligently examin'd and enquired into and when our Holy and Religious Brethren have seen no shape of the Mass in Scripture themselves they have as it were taken an Oath from the Prophets and Evangelists that they found it not but all their study enquiry hath been hitherto to so little purpose so that they have at last freely confest that the Mass is only to be found in our Old storehouse of rotten Traditions It maybe that these sacred Books were not yet neer the time of their full Delivery or it may be that a wise and experienced Midwife was wanting till now to help into the world the birth of this great mistery from holy Scripture doubtless this noted production was reserved for these happy and refined dayes but may it please your good Holiness to tell me who is that man or rather who is that Angel that hath made this admirable discovery It is replied the Pope a secular Priest named Father Patrick who is Invested with a rich Abbey worth five hundred pounds a year scituate in Burgundy which I have granted unto him in consideration of the notable services that he hath rendred unto me amongst the English Hereticks he hath promis'd to proceed further and is engaged by my liberallity to be mindfull of my Interest and I am perswaded that there is none so able to settle my Concerns in that Kingdom for amongst the Ladies I understand that he is in an high esteem because of the excellency of his Naturall parts he wants no Impudency to usher him into every place and to cause him to thrust himself into every busines and his nose into every matter He can also make use of pious frauds and Religious Cheats in an excellent manner and with fair promises gain many a good proselite I am certain there is never a famous a noted Curtisan or Religious Votary in the Kingdom but he hath by his subtilty drawn to me and my holy Church Not to mention the multitudes of Irish whom he hath possest with a blind resolution of obeying my Orders nor the simple English that he hath bewitcht with the vain hopes of future preferment pleasure happiness and his Ptiestly favour I must needs acknowledg that he is a most admirable man to manage my Concerns with Discretion he is no less suctesful as appears by his late Initmation of bringing to pass the totall and entire conversion of men able to byass all things for me in that Kingdom and to promote my long designed purpose It is true he hath lost something of his good Reputation amongst the silly and precise Puritans the fantastick Protestants by being too free of his person in a publick Baudy-house in Holland and by visiting those of London too often and more then I have allowed him but this reputation he makes good and raises again amongst the better sort of men by helping them to a Whore in time of need These things I do approve of I have granted the liberty of such actions to all holy and Religious men of his Order and to the rest of my Clergy Clergy for I am of my predecessors good opinion let St. Paul say what he will that the most regenerate and pious Christians as well as the men of the world must and do burn with the flames of Lust and Fornication and may sometimes tast a little of the forbidden Fruit I would rather have him do so then commit Matrimony because by this meanes he is very gracious with the generallity of brave Fellows of the Time and he may by this proceeding be better able to do me service for men commonly love the Religion that approves and allows the fulfilling of our desires but when these little Piccadillos Veniall Sins acts of his humanity should have disgraced him and his name amongst the sottish Vulgar that cannot understand how that the things that I permit and confirm by my example become Vertuous when St Peter whose