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A93453 A Sober dialogue between a country Friend, a London Friend, and one of G.K.'s Friends concerning the great difference of faith and doctrin betwixt many of the Quakers, especially their principal teachers and him. 1699 (1699) Wing S4408; ESTC R42883 7,080 18

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the Justice of Almighty God which otherwise would take Vengeance on our daily and hourly offences For my part I do admire that any People professing Godliness can pretend to be in the Faith and not faithfully believe such things Lon. Fr. Dost thou believe that Flesh and Blood can inherit the Kingdom of God G. K.'s Fr. Yea The Flesh and Blood of our Lord and Saviour which was never born to see Corruption neither was of any corruptible Seed Co. Fr. Why did Christ say to the Jews John 6.63 It is the Spirit that quickneth the Flesh profiteth nothing G. K.'s Fr. Why Friend dost thou think that Christ spake to the Jews of his own Flesh and Blood which he said he would give for the life of the World and if that Flesh and Blood did not profit us what did that gift avail us When Christ said to Nicodemus unless a Man be born again c. Nicodemus understood that he must be born again of his natural Father and Mother as new Flesh but Christ plainly told him that that which was born of the Flesh was Flesh and that that was born of the Spirit was Spirit and farther said that the Wind bloweth where it listeth and that he only heard the sound thereof but knew not whence it came or whether it went and so said our Lord is every one that is born of the Spirit I hope you confess that such a spiritual Birth far exceeds that Flesh and Blood which we take from our Parents and is polluted with Original Sin Our Lord might well say that such Flesh and Blood profited nothing altho' we make so much ado about it unless the Spirit blow upon it and change it from Corruption to Incorruption Lon. Fr. But what did Christ mean by saying Nicodemus understood not when he spake of natural things G. K.'s Fr. Why is not the blowing of the Wind natural and yet who can tell from whence it comes or whether it goes How should then natural Men judg of the coming and going of the Spirit They can possibly tell when it is present and when it is absent but from whence it comes or whether it goes they know not Co. Fr. Prethee tell me What dost thou think of the Light in every Man's Conscience G. K.'s Fr. The Light in every Man is that Blessing which doubtless was given to Japhets Off-spring the Islands of the Gentiles they not having the benefit of the written Law leaving the Country where Shem's Stock was which had the Law in a far more glorious manner than the Gentiles had as being the Elder Son of Noah had the first great Blessing of the knowledge of the Law but the Mercies of God was such that he left himself not without a Witness in the Gentiles that did accuse or excuse them which shew'd the Law written in the Heart and that they did by Nature the things contained in the Law So that you may see that the Law Outward and the Law Inward are the same thing as to just and equal doing as for Instance that passage of Cornelius who was said to be a just Man and one that feared and worshiped God and in good Works did exceed many that were called Christians however all this Man's Righteousness could not save him But at such a time when greater Light was revealed an Angel must be sent to him to tell him that he must send for one Simon Peter which was to tell him words by which he might be Saved So here you see plainly that this Man was not to be Saved by the Light Within without something else that is Christ without and the Faith in Christ which comes ordinarily by outward Preaching and the Aposte says that Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God Preach'd Pray what did Peter Preach to Cornelius Was it not mostly of Christ's Miracles of his Death and Resurrection to which all the Prophets did witness that thro' his Name was remission of Sin only to be had And at the very Instant while the words were speaking did not the Holy Ghost fall on them which heard the Word to the Astonishm●nt of the Jews that came with Peter Now I hope you see what must be added to that Light before true Salvation can be known or enjoyed Lon. Fr. Since we have gone thus far what think'st thou of Water Baptism and the Supper G. K.'s Fr. If you please you may see what Peter says to those very Persons that had just received the Holy Ghost Can any man forbid water that those should not be baptized and he commanded them to be Baptized in the Name of the Lord that was in the Name of Jesus Now how your Friends can hide themselves here I know not Blessed be God for the New Testament and for the Sound Doctrine contained there and our Lord said that those that heard those Sayings of his and did them were wise indeed and built on that Rock which the Gates of Hell should not prevail against The Lord help us to flee from vain imaginations which indeed is a sandy and shaken Foundation Co. Fr. Well now if thee pleases concerning the Supper what hast thou to say for that G. K.'s Fr. I have this to say for the Lord's Supper We own that 't is said that he that does Believe and is Baptized shall be Saved his Sins being forgiven and remitted Pray is not the Forgiver of our Sins worth our remembrance since Christ has paid so great a Debt for us as his own Blood Was such Ingratitude ever heard of since the World began that a People should forget so great and so good a Lord as not to remember him in his own Ordination however simple it may appear 't is precious to the little ones of the Kingdom Co. Fr. Why dost thou think we do not remember the Lord Jesus because we do not receive the Bread and the Wine G. K.'s Fr. I do think that those that break one of the least of Christ's Commandments shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven Pray if to break one of the least will be such a lessening of our Happiness what must the breaking of the greatest be is it seemly for Children to be wiser in their own Eye than their Fathers or Subjects than their King or Malefactors than their Judges yet so it has been sometimes but for a People to be wiser than their God is monstrous had the Lord commanded some great thing as the Heathen Gods did that we should Sacrifice our Children to him than we might have shrunk from it but such things are far from him only having commanded us to remember him in that which is easily had and that which is our common Food too in the eating of that Bread to remember the Lord how his Body was broken for us and in drinking of that Cup to remember us how he shed his precious Blood for us and likewise to know that he is that living and spiritual Bread which