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A89830 The boaster bared, and his armour put off, without a conquest, by the quaking principle. In an answer to Enoch Hovvets, called Quaking principles dasht in pieces. / Written by James Nayler. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1655 (1655) Wing N266; Thomason E835_12; ESTC R202980 14,097 15

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meanest spirituall Reason I judge thy accusation to be false for that Reason we own which stands in the faith of God and leads to reasonableness And whereas thou accusest us that we wil not do as Christ and his Apostles did to dispute with gainsayers of the truth Herein let most of the Prisons in the nation be witness against thee wherein we are and have been imprisoned for going into your Synagogues and Idols Temples to dispute and reason with gain-sayers of the truth and herein we are not different from the words and practise of Christ Acts 17.2 as thou accusest us to be which thou in thy reason a voids and saves thy self least any of those things that befalls Christ and his Saints now should befall thee and here is thy own reason wherein Satan is conversant as thou sayes that will not suffer thee to follow Christ and his Saints herein further than thou canst have thy own pleasur s honor and ease and worldly beloveds that thy lusts may live and so throws by the Cross of Christ and his afflictions for which thou accusest us And thou layes down wayes in thy reason to know the things of God as by the aire and sun and by the Creation of the world to know the new Ierusalem and Rome at the day of Iudgment and many such things of Gods secrets thou wilt know without in thy reason but thou hast lost it is written for it is written that which may be known of God is manifest in them Rom. 1 i9 for God hath shewed it to them but where is it written that God is known by reason And many words thou utters not worth answering And thou tels of a day Star rising in the heart now thou wilt confess somthing within and not all in the Letter but what foundation thou art on that art thus tossed to and fro is manifest to the Light but the blinde must needs stumble And now to the fourth head That we deny the ascension or being of the body of Christ and when thou hast raised this slander thou goest about to disprove it and so thou disproves thy own and not ours for the body of Christ we own Iohn 3.13 Iohn 1.1.14 Iohn 3.13 s Iohn 53 to the 56. and the ascension of it and that it is the same that came down from heaven which became flesh and is reall flesh and bone which flesh is our food to spiritual life but if thou saist this body is carnal as the Priests do let us know thy meanining in plain words for a carnall Christ I own not but if thou saist Christ cannot be real flesh except he be carnal I say thou knows not the Scripture nor power of God for Christ is not begotten by carnall generation nor by flesh but the spirit of promise Silence flesh and stop thy mouth for into this MYSTERY thy Reason cannot enter but Christ and his flesh we know therefore does the world hate us had the flesh of Christ been Carnall it had corrupted as thine must but being spirituall it could not Thy fifth head is also a filthy lye That we deny all Ordinances of Christ and that there is nothing which Christ hath commanded as Lord over his heritage but we deny it O that ever any should profess the pure name of God and utter such abominable lyes that all that ever knows our practise or judgment may witness against thee for all the Ordinances of Christ we own in their place and the end of them in Christ who is the body and life of all yet cannot we give or attribute that to the figure which belongs to the substance Col. 2.8 to the end and otherwaies prove if thou canst that we deny any one thing that Christ ordained but it may be thy meaning is that we deny the worshipping in the Idols Temple or your churches as thou calls them which thou pleads for in another place or sprinckling Infants singing Davids words in rime hour-glass preaching from a text as now it is used preaching over the dead churching women taking tythes and set wages and much such like stuff which neither thou nor all the priests in England can prove any one thing of them that Christ ordained as now they are used but had their rise from Rome and are inventions of men which have the pope for their predecessor which thou accusest us withall who deny such beggarly popish rudiments and bears witness against them both in them and you and here be ashamed of thy slander and let it return upon thy own pate and thy reproofe be to thy selfe who denies the Lord to set up those traditions in such a way as hee never commanded And whereas thou mentions baptisme and the Lords supper I say that baptisme we own which is with one spirit into the death of Christ into one body 1 Cor 12. i● which is the baptisme of Christ and the baptism of Iohn we own in its place and the Supper of the Lord we own and the bread we breake is the communion of Christs body and the Cup we drink is the Communion of his blood and we being many therby become one body and one blood soul and minde and the Lords body we discern and eat not damnation but eternall life And thou that calls this denying of those ordinances thou knowest not the end for which they were ordained Thou sayes have we a spirit to guide us without a written Word He that bad not the Spirit to guide without the Letter went to the Familiar spirit c. Sam. 128.13 Iohn 16 Rom. 8.14 Thou saist we may be familiar spirits for ought thou knowest O thou Blasphemer is that a Familiar Spirit that guided the Saints in all ages before the Letter and without the Letter and is not that Spirit the same now to those that know it Doth not Christ say the Spirit of Truth shall guide into all Truth and doth he say not without the Letter And was that a Familiar Spirit how dost thou denie the Spirit and blaspheme against it to set the Letter in its steed And thou makest a dissembling as though thou pittied us but wert thou not blinde thou wouldst bewaile thy self who art spiritually blind who hast not the Spirit of Iudgment to guide thee and to try all things but by the Letter wouldst try the Spirit when a lying Spirit in thee must read it it s no wonder that thou should'st call Light Darkness and say the Letter is the Rule of Life and Love and so denies Christ to be the Rule of Life unless thou saist the Letter is Christ And whereas thou hold'st forth as that all that Christ commanded to any is to be observed by all Then why do not all that reads those commands go Teach and Baptize all Nations And why art thou in thy certain dwelling house and art not wandring without Bag or Scrip freely Preaching and working Miracles And why was not Paul sent to Baptize as wel