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the_o same_o censure_n and_o what_o become_v of_o all_o his_o objection_n raise_v from_o the_o difference_n betwixt_o some_o schoolman_n who_o endeavour_v to_o explicate_v the_o manner_n of_o his_o presence_n and_o the_o free_a acknowledgement_n of_o other_o that_o we_o be_v ignorant_a of_o it_o do_v not_o they_o themselves_o profess_v the_o same_o and_o if_o we_o can_v comprehend_v how_o god_n can_v be_v three_o and_o one_o or_o the_o divinity_n be_v incarnate_a must_v we_o necessary_o therefore_o deny_v the_o bless_a trinity_n or_o the_o incarnation_n in_o a_o word_n what_o will_v become_v of_o all_o the_o argument_n in_o general_n bring_v against_o transubstantiation_n substantiation_n adoration_n sacrifice_n of_o the_o altar_n communion_n under_o one_o species_n etc._n etc._n see_v learned_a protestant_n themselves_o confess_v that_o if_o the_o word_n of_o the_o institution_n be_v take_v in_o a_o literal_a sense_n without_o which_o a_o real_a presence_n can_v never_o be_v admit_v they_o must_v yield_v up_o the_o cause_n in_o all_o those_o point_n to_o roman_a catholic_o this_o brerelay_v have_v show_v in_o his_o liturgy_n of_o the_o mass_n print_v anno_fw-la 1620._o pag._n 225_o 339._o from_o several_a of_o their_o own_o author_n but_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o many_o of_o our_o schoolman_n acknowledge_v there_o be_v not_o in_o the_o scripture_n any_o formal_a proof_n of_o transubstantiation_n that_o there_o be_v not_o any_o text_n that_o without_o the_o declaration_n of_o the_o church_n will_v be_v able_a to_o evince_v it_o that_o it_o be_v not_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n till_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n and_o then_o triumph_v as_o if_o these_o expression_n be_v a_o perfect_a yield_v up_o of_o our_o cause_n but_o i_o will_v glad_o have_v he_o to_o consider_v upon_o what_o account_n it_o be_v these_o learned_a man_n use_v those_o expression_n and_o examine_v a_o little_a their_o reason_n and_o then_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o if_o he_o observe_v the_o 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follower_n be_v condemn_v by_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n and_o several_a other_o and_o that_o condemnation_n confirm_v by_o that_o of_o trent_n he_o tell_v we_o moreover_o that_o this_o doctrine_n be_v no_o matter_n of_o faith_n till_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n 56_o pag._n 56_o 1200_o year_n after_o christ_n and_o have_v not_o that_o and_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n interpose_v it_o will_v not_o have_v be_v so_o to_o this_o very_a day_n and_o cite_v lombard_n scotus_n gabriel_n and_o bellarmine_n for_o this_o assertion_n let_v we_o examine_v his_o quotation_n but_o first_o we_o will_v represent_v the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n as_o the_o best_a method_n to_o understand_v their_o meaning_n we_o must_v therefore_o take_v notice_n that_o the_o word_n transubstantiation_n be_v first_o public_o use_v in_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n as_o the_o word_n consubstantial_a be_v in_o the_o first_o council_n of_o nice_a but_o that_o
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