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former_a substance_n and_o yet_o be_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n so_o far_o as_o the_o reason_n and_o purpose_n of_o that_o sacrament_n require_v but_o these_o which_o i_o have_v allege_v may_v suffice_v sect_n viii_o of_o communion_n in_o one_o kind_n in_o the_o state_n of_o this_o controversy_n we_o find_v two_o point_n assert_v by_o the_o romanist_n as_o appear_v by_o what_o say_v above_o ch._n viii_o i._o that_o it_o may_v be_v so_o administer_v to_o the_o people_n when_o it_o may_v be_v do_v otherwise_o or_o that_o the_o people_n may_v be_v forbid_v to_o receive_v it_o otherwise_o ii_o that_o such_o a_o receive_n be_v a_o complete_a communion_n the_o scripture_n that_o concern_v this_o controversy_n be_v examine_v above_o and_o for_o the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n we_o will_v only_o add_v some_o general_n which_o will_v clear_v the_o point_n on_o the_o protestant_n side_n i._o the_o confession_n of_o the_o romish_a writer_n grant_v the_o use_n of_o receive_v in_o both_o kind_n continue_v from_o our_o saviour_n time_n many_o age_n throughout_o the_o church_n as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n in_o alphons_n de_fw-fr castro_n soto_n costerius_fw-la tolet._n ii_o in_o answer_v to_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n assert_v communion_n in_o both_o kind_n we_o find_v the_o cardinal_n and_o so_o the_o rest_n of_o they_o force_v to_o acknowledge_v the_o use_n and_o practice_v 26._o bel._n de_fw-fr euchar_n l._n 4._o c._n 26._o and_o content_a to_o say_v those_o testimony_n do_v not_o speak_v a_o necessity_n it_o shall_v be_v so_o now_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v so_o where_o it_o can_v be_v so_o necessary_o follow_v upon_o our_o saviour_n precept_n drink_v you_o all_o of_o this_o the_o disciple_n that_o do_v all_o drink_n represent_v then_o the_o whole_a company_n of_o the_o faithful_a as_o the_o father_n frequent_o assert_v and_o upon_o the_o force_n of_o his_o institution_n and_o example_n and_o the_o answerable_a practice_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n in_o the_o succeed_a age_n for_o if_o so_o what_o church_n or_o age_n follow_v shall_v think_v itself_o at_o liberty_n to_o do_v otherwise_o iii_o in_o prove_v those_o false_a assertion_n but_o necessary_a for_o the_o romanist_n to_o hold_v viz._n 33._o viz._n bel._n de_fw-fr euchar._n l._n 4._o c._n 22._o &_o 33._o that_o the_o whole_a reason_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v contain_v in_o one_o kind_n and_o that_o there_o be_v not_o great_a profit_n receive_v by_o communion_n in_o both_o kind_n then_o in_o one_o we_o find_v the_o cardinal_n can_v allege_v one_o father_n nor_o rise_v high_o than_o thomas_n aquinas_n iv_o as_o they_o can_v bring_v one_o sentence_n of_o any_o ancient_a father_n commend_v or_o allow_v their_o half_a communion_n so_o the_o instance_n they_o give_v we_o for_o it_o be_v impertinent_a and_o unconcluding_a far_o from_o prove_v the_o people_n may_v be_v hold_v from_o receive_v in_o both_o or_o make_v to_o believe_v they_o have_v a_o complete_a communion_n in_o one._n a_o collection_n of_o such_o instance_n we_o find_v in_o the_o 24._o the_o bel._n in_o defence_n apolog_fw-la contra_fw-la regem_fw-la jacobum_fw-la c._n 13._o &_o in_o l._n 4._o de_fw-fr euch._n c._n 24._o cardinal_n the_o chief_a of_o they_o be_v these_o follow_v i._o the_o break_n of_o bread_n often_o mention_v in_o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o sometime_o signify_v the_o sacrament_n what_o then_o they_o give_v it_o to_o the_o people_n in_o one_o kind_n only_o because_o one_o only_o be_v mention_v if_o this_o be_v a_o good_a argument_n as_o to_o the_o administration_n it_o will_v be_v good_a also_o as_o to_o the_o consecration_n they_o consecrate_v it_o in_o one_o kind_n only_o because_o one_o only_o be_v mention_v but_o if_o the_o romanist_n count_v it_o sacrilege_n as_o indeed_o it_o be_v so_o to_o consecrate_v they_o may_v think_v it_o sacrilege_n also_o wilful_o so_o to_o administer_v it_o ii_o intinctâ—_n intinctâ—_n the_o custom_n of_o give_v the_o bread_n dip_v in_o the_o wine_n for_o a_o whole_a sacrament_n what_o then_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a that_o both_o kind_n shall_v be_v give_v several_o but_o by_o this_o expedient_a we_o see_v they_o think_v it_o necessary_a to_o give_v both_o also_o this_o be_v only_o use_v in_o some_o place_n and_o it_o seem_v at_o first_o to_o be_v find_v out_o for_o communicate_v infant_n and_o sick_a person_n that_o can_v not_o well_o swallow_v it_o dry_a and_o afterward_o this_o custom_n be_v reject_v and_o forbid_v iii_o the_o carry_v of_o one_o kind_n to_o the_o sick_a viz._n aegrorum_fw-la communio_fw-la aegrorum_fw-la bread_n only_o but_o where_o both_o can_v both_o be_v carry_v it_o be_v necessity_n if_o in_o one_o and_o better_a one_o then_o neither_o and_o a_o incomplete_a communion_n presanctificatorum_fw-la communio_fw-la presanctificatorum_fw-la than_o none_o at_o all_o iv_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o preconsecrated_a element_n when_o as_o one_o day_n in_o the_o passion_n week_n they_o use_v to_o receive_v in_o one_o kind_n but_o this_o be_v not_o from_o the_o beginning_n 2._o not_o hold_v a_o complete_a communion_n but_o a_o consume_n of_o the_o remainder_n os_fw-la the_o preconsecrated_a bread_n the_o wine_n be_v all_o consume_v or_o make_v a_o end_n of_o the_o day_n before_o 3._o from_o this_o usage_n to_o conclude_v a_o liberty_n of_o abstinence_n from_o the_o wine_n in_o celebration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v unreasonable_a 4._o the_o priest_n do_v that_o day_n receive_v but_o one_o kind_n therefore_o it_o may_v be_v likewise_o conclude_v that_o it_o be_v or_o may_v be_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n to_o have_v the_o priest_n as_o well_o as_o the_o people_n confine_v to_o receive_v in_o one_o kind_n possit_fw-la microl._n in_o biblioth_n patrum_fw-la c._n 19_o de_fw-la vitanda_fw-la intinctione_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la authenticum_fw-la etc._n etc._n ut_fw-la populus_fw-la plenè_fw-la communicare_fw-la possit_fw-la i_o will_v only_o add_v what_o micrologus_n say_v in_o his_o ecclesiast_fw-la observation_n where_o the_o title_n of_o his_o 19_o chap_a be_v of_o avoid_v intinction_n or_o give_v the_o host_n dip_v it_o be_v not_o authentic_a faith_n he_o which_o some_o do_v give_v it_o dip_v for_o the_o completion_n of_o a_o communion_n and_o that_o the_o wine_n or_o other_o species_n be_v to_o be_v give_v he_o mean_v sever_v from_o the_o other_o that_o the_o people_n may_v full_o and_o complete_o communicate_v also_o he_o there_o tell_v we_o that_o julius_n the_o first_o bishop_n of_o rome_n write_v to_o certain_a egyptian_a bishop_n forbid_v that_o usage_n and_o enjoin_v that_o both_o kind_n be_v receive_v several_o scorsùm_fw-la panem_fw-la &_o scorsùm_fw-la calicem_fw-la and_o that_o gelasius_n bishop_n of_o rome_n put_v they_o under_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n who_o abstain_v from_o the_o cup_n have_v receive_v the_o body_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o in_o the_o same_o decree_n define_v it_o sacrilege_n to_o do_v so_o this_o be_v also_o in_o gratian._n decr._n part_n 3._o de_fw-la consecratione_fw-la and_o this_o enough_o to_o convince_v the_o boldness_n of_o the_o romish_a church_n in_o do_v contrary_a to_o all_o this_o and_o yet_o assert_v her_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n to_o be_v catholic_n deo_fw-la gloria_fw-la the_o end_n
this_o half_a communion_n the_o sequel_n of_o the_o former_a article_n of_o real_a presence_n and_o acknowledge_v that_o without_o the_o establish_n of_o the_o one_o the_o other_o can_v be_v defend_v so_o p._n 322_o 323._o we_o see_v then_o what_o goodly_a fruit_n the_o romish_a real_a presence_n have_v bring_v forth_o to_o the_o great_a and_o just_a offence_n of_o christian_a people_n in_o deny_v they_o the_o cup_n beside_o other_o goodly_a sequels_fw-fr of_o it_o as_o adoration_n and_o circumgestation_n it_o be_v not_o real_a presence_n true_o grant_v no_o not_o such_o as_o the_o romanist_n will_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v true_a that_o give_v a_o ground_n for_o half_a communion_n or_o make_v it_o defensible_a for_o they_o grant_v as_o we_o see_v here_o p._n 123._o the_o lutheran_n convince_v of_o this_o mystery_n i._n e._n to_o believe_v a_o true_a real_a presence_n but_o can_v say_v they_o be_v convince_v of_o this_o sequel_n or_o that_o it_o follow_v then_o may_v the_o communion_n be_v deliver_v in_o one_o kind_n there_o be_v other_o reason_n from_o the_o institution_n of_o this_o sacrament_n and_o our_o saviour_n purpose_n therein_o which_o forbid_v it_o as_o we_o shall_v see_v by_o what_o follow_v to_o the_o first_o argument_n from_o the_o institution_n which_o be_v careful_o to_o be_v observe_v institution_n halse_n communion_n against_o the_o institution_n he_o answer_v i._o that_o the_o accidentary_a circumstance_n of_o the_o first_o institution_n be_v to_o be_v distinguish_v from_o the_o substance_n and_o essence_n of_o the_o sacrament_n this_o be_v always_o to_o be_v hold_v not_o the_o former_a p._n 324._o this_o we_o admit_v only_a note_n he_o reckon_v the_o give_v it_o then_o to_o priest_n only_o among_o the_o accidentary_a circumstance_n of_o the_o first_o institution_n ii_o he_o answer_v that_o the_o entire_a substance_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v under_o each_o kind_n he_o mean_v both_o body_n and_o blood_n be_v under_o each_o kind_n we_o shall_v 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