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A31362 The moderate enquirer resolved in a plain description of several objections which are summed up together and treated upon by way of conference, concerning the contemned [sic] people commonly called Quakers who are the royal seed of God and whose innocency is here cleared in the answers to the many objections that are frequently produced by their opponents : which may be profitable for them to read that have any thing against them, and useful for all such as desire to know the certainty of those things which are most commonly reported of them / written in behalf of the brethren, in vindication of the truth, by VV. C. Caton, William, 1636-1665. 1658 (1658) Wing C1515; ESTC R29186 28,001 70

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who have never been baptized with outward Water since they believed Enq. Own they the Lords Supper Res. Yea the Supper of the Lord they own and at the Table of the Lord which is richly furnished they sit and do eat abundantly to the eternal refreshing of their souls Enq. Well but do they break bread and drink wine at that Table like as professed Christians do Res. The Bread that they break is the Body of Christ and the Cup that they drink is the Blood of Christ but many professed Christians who talks of the Lords Table discerns not his Body and so eats and drinks their own damnation yet notwithstanding Christians in Christ breaks one Bread and drinks of one Cup they have unity one with another even as these people do witness with whom Christ doth ●up and to the substance they are come and therefore go they not by Imitation ●ike as many do who are called Christians who yet never came to eat the flesh of Christ nor to drink his blood and therefore have they no life abiding in them Enq. But yet there is something more in which I desire also to be satisfied concerning these People for many exclaims out against them for judging and condemning others Now pray thee tell me what do they judge in others any thing besides that which is condemned in themselves Res. Nay It is that onely to wit deceit and unrighteousness which the judgements of the Lord hath passed upon in their own particular and when they meet with such as pleads for that which is ordained of old for condemnation perhaps they may sharply reprove them if they judge not the deceit in them then the party reproved being one that cannot stand in the judgement exclaims out against them as if they were censorious Judges and horrid blasphemers when they have judged and reproved nothing but deceit in them and that which is to be eternally condemned even the very same that is judged in their own particulars Enq. Well but duth not Christ say Iudge not that you be not judged And Paul saith The man that judgeth is inexcusable whosoever he is Res. Yea those are the words of Christ and Paul by the way take notice of the following words did not Christ there speak to the hypocrite that beheld the Mo●e that was in his brothers eye but considered not the beam that was in his own eye And ●ake Paul's words also as they are Thou art inexcusable O man saith he whosoever thou art that judgest for wherein thou ●●udgest another mark wel thou condem●nest thy self for thou that judgest dost the ●●ame things There is now the man that is ●nexcusable who judgeth another for that which he is guilty of himself and if thou ●or any man can tax these people in this ●hen say that they are inexcusable who are ●●ound guilty in this thing Enq. There is another thing which men ●●ath against them which is this They say ●hat they will not respect persons but to a Prince or Lord or whatsoever that he is they will say Thee and Thou to him and stand with ●heir Hats on in his presence as if he were a ●an of no reputation Is this true Res. He who is their God who hath ●ade of one blood all Nations of men for ●o dwell upon the face of the earth he is no respecter of persons and if they who ●are his people should have respect to persons they should commit sin and would be convinced of the Law as Transgressors and for them to have respect of persons that were not good and as for the properness of Thee and Thou I have shewed thee before And vvhy may not they stand vvith their hats on in the presence of the greatest man upon the face of the earth ●e●ing that they stand daily covered in the presence of their God vvhose Name is the Lord of Hosts vvho filleth Heaven and Earth in vvhom they honor all men vvithout the respecting of any ones person or the greatness and magnificency of any for vvhat is man but dust and vvherefore should he be adored by his Fellovv-creature as if honor pertained to him vvhich indeed is onely due to his Creator vvho formed him of the dust to vvhich he must return and then his honor shall be laid in the dust vvith him Enq Well but hear these people say that they are moved of the Lord to do this and the other and that they are sent of God to publish his truth now if this were true they should turn many from their wickedness should they not Res. The truth they must acknowledge whether they before whom it is acknowledged can bear it or no the which truth hath been often rejected by such as resist the Holy Ghost by the which these peo●le have been often moved to declare un●● the sons of Adam their sin and to shew ●hem their transgression and to exhort ●em to repentance amendment of life ●nd many have been turned from darkness 〈◊〉 light from the power of Satan unto God by those among them that were sent 〈◊〉 publish his Tr●th and to preach his e●erlasting Gospel unto the Spirits in Pri●●n yea thousands are converted tur●ed from iniquity and wickedness and are ●rought to serve God in purity and holy●ess in his own Temple and therefore they ●ave not run as uncertainly or without ●●●ding neither have they fought as one ●●at beateth the air for they who are tur●ed from wickedness by them are the seal 〈◊〉 their Apostleship in the Lord Enq. It is said that they permit women to ●eak or prophesie among them Is not that ex●es●y against the Scripture For did not Paul 〈◊〉 that he would not permit a woman to speak 〈◊〉 the Church And where do they read of any ●omen in the New-Testament that prophesied Res. For Women to prophesie upon ●hom the Spirit of the Lord is poured out ● not expresly against the Scripture but a ●●●filling of the Scripture for the Scripture ●ith That is shall come to pass afterward ●●at I the Lord will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh your sons your daughters shall prophesie Now the fulfilling of this these people do witness who will no● permit a Woman upon whom the spir●● of the Lord is not poured out to speak in the Church but notwithstanding every Sister in Christ upon whom the spirit of the Lord is poured out who by that spirit is moved to prophesie they forbid not fo● the same Paul that did not permit a Woman to speak in the Church he wrote un●to the Church that they should not quench the spirit nor despise Prophesie neither do we read that he nor none of his company did forbid Philip's daughters to prophesie Acts 21. 8 9. who were Virgins and four in number upon whom the spirit of the Lord was poured out who wil say that he would have quenched the spirit in Phoebe if she had been moved by it to prophesie in that Church of