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A42146	The searchers for schism search'd, or, Their pretended questions for conscience sake answered wherein is proved that those baptized congregations under laying on of hands are not guilty of schism in separating from them : shewing, in opposition to their threeforld hypothesis, that their church constitution is not true, separation from them proved lawful, the truth and authority of the doctrine about which they separate, vindicated / humbly presented to all concerned [by] J. Griffith ...	Griffith, John, 1622?-1700.	1669 (1669)	Wing G2003; ESTC R41670	59,153	128

the Church of Pergamos is by the Spirit commanded to repent of this evil the command backed with a commination which proves that such must be put out of the Church that so hold much more such which so do 7. But laying on of Hands we do indeed make Essential to Church Communion because it is a Principle of the Doctrine of Christ as hath been proved now and heretofore and never was disproved by you except asking questions be refutation Quest 5. We demand whether there was not a Church of Christ in the world before his Ascention and whether any other qualification was then pre-requisite to Church Membership than Confession of Sins and Faith in Christ for the remission of them together with a being Baptized into his Name and walking in a holy life and conversation if you say any thing else was then required and practised as Essential to Church Membership shew us what that was and where it was so required and practised And if you say nothing else was then required and practised we demand whether the Church of Christ was wanting of any thing then that was Essential to its being whatever it might want as to its well-being If you say it wanted nothing then that was Essential to its being then we further demand how this People so continuing in Faith Baptism and Holiness of life could cease to be a Church of Christ after his Ascention though they might not come up to some of those others Truths that were afterward revealed when the Spirit was made manifest c. Answer 1. We do not find that Christ before his Ascension doth give the Name or Title of a Church to any but onely calls his Followers Disciples as we might enumerate a multitude of places in the Evangelists 2. We find that our Lord Jesus when Peter confessed that he was the Christ the Son of the Living God answered Peter and said Upon this Rock will I build my Church He doth not say I have built my Church upon this Rock but I will c. speaking in the future tense Hereafter when I do build it not that he had then built his Church but was about the work making all things ready as materials both for the Foundation and Building 3. Nor is what we say destitute of good reason for his Disciples might then confess and believe him to be the Christ but could not believe him dead risen ascended and that the Comforter was come upon which as upon ● Rock or sure Foundation Christ would build hi● Church and hath since his last Will and Testament is in force by his Death Heb. 9.16 17 for his Church now is founded upon these Basi● Christ is come and died for our Sins according to the Scriptures believing that we in dut● ought to be baptised in his Name for the Remission of them Act. 2.38 22.16 and pray with laying on of hands for the gift of the Spirit which now is come since Christ is ascended to the Father according to his promise John 16.7 to guide us into all Truth and to be with us for ever John 14.16 17. as his alone Vicar on Earth John 16.13 14 15. by which Spirit we are baptised into one body 1 Cor. 12.13 believing that as he is risen from the dead he will also raise us up at the last day John 6.40 and will come the second time sitting upon the Throne of his Glory to Judgement and to render to every man as his work shall be On all which as on a Rock or Foundation the Disciples could not be built in the time of Christs life not till after his Ascension because they were not then laid nor could not till Christ was dead risen and ascended to the Father Yet in the time of his Life as his Disciples he was diligent to instruct teach and inform them of all these things as such which should be done and accomplished in their due and appointed time viz. after he had suffered was risen and ascended to the Father But it may be objected That Christ saith Mat. 18.17 If he shall neglect to hear them tell it to the Church there Christ calls them a Church That doth not follow those being words of direction and instruction which Christ gives them by which they might be guided when they had received power from on high to proceed as a Church to censure unholy and disorderly Walkers not that they before they were endowed with that power from on high were to act as a Church to censure the impenitent no● did they as we read You may further object That Christ did break Bread with them and therefore they we● then a Church It is true Christ did before his Passion institute the Supper he brake the Bread and gave it to his Disciples but it was onely with the Twelve the rest of the Disciples being absent then doth it not follow that the Disciples we● in the capacity of a Church because the Twelve are singled out from the rest of the Disciples which shews excepting him that was lost tha● they were taken apart from the other Disciples as those that were appointed by the Lord to b● Witnesses in a more eminent way and manne● than the rest of all those things he should suffer And those whom Jesus had chosen and give● commandment to not onely by his own mouth but through the Holy Ghost also Act. 1.2 wha● they should teach others to believe and observe Mat. 28.20 Breaking Bread then at this tim● might not be solemnized as Church-communion which ought to be when the whole Body comet● together to commemorate the Body and Blood of Christ the one as broken the other shed and to shew the Lords death till he come but rather was instituted then by Christ at the feast of the Passover to shew them what they should after he was ascended do also to teach others what they should do and observe when they were endowed with power from on high and thereby were en●ighted to all things relating to Church-Power and the administration of all Church-Ordinances which until they were so impowered they were onely to wait at Jerusalem Luk. 24.49 Act. 1.4 If otherwise why should the rest of the Disciples be excluded and not called to this last Supper of the Lord If they broke Bread as a Church the rest of the Disciples had as much right to that Communion as the Twelve or else the Twelve onely were the Church and the other Disciples no part of it And if a Church why must they wait for power at Jerusalem This we humbly and modestly offer to consideration And as for the rest of your Queries and Demands which you multiply in this Question they are either removed and answered or require none further But say you further if you shall say they wanted something while Christ was among them essential to Communion then we demand whether this doth not reflect a want of care in Christ who left them so and indeed want

will allow us to use the Bread and Wine as the means to commemorate the Lords Body and Blood and not reject it and cast it off as useless So in like manner if laying on of hands be a figurative speech and understood for the Spirit that was given thereby we hope you must allow that laying on of hands ought to be used and practised as the means by which the Spirit was obtained and is given as well as you will the Cup and the Bread and Wine in your figurative instances and we desire no more 3. But we further say That laying on of hands is not figurative but is a plain practical Ordinance joyned with solemn and fervent Prayer to the most High in the Name of Christ for his holy Spirit that according to his faithful and never-failing promise them that believe and are baptised in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ might receive the Spirit by which as the means the Spirit was given to some of the Baptised in the primitive times in more than an ordinary manner and was necessary to the establishing Christian Churches than which extraordinary Gifts of the Spirit given then is a confirmation to us now that not onely the other Principles of the Doctrine of Christ are to be believed and practised but this in debate also as one Principle of the Foundation of Christianity God having confirmed them all to be the Word spoken and Foundation-Doctrine taught by the Lord bearing witness to them both with Signs and Wonders and divers Miracles and Gifts of the holy Ghost according to his own will and then how shall we escape if we neglect so great Salvation Heb. 2.3 4. Quest 27. If you shall say That simply the Act and Ceremony it self as you practise it is put for a Foundation Doctrine of Christ then we demand Whether the Apostles ever taught any thing for a Doctrine of Christ whereof we do not read Christ did either preach or practise before his Ascension And if you say That Christ did teach and practise laying on of hands upon all Disciples both Men and Women before his Ascension or any thing from which such a practice may be inferred pray shew it and we will believe it Answer 1. We say That Prayer and Laying on of hands as we practise is a Principle of the Doctrine of Christ one of the first Rudiments of Christianity But you demand Whether the Apostles ever taught any thing for a Doctrine of Christ whereof we do not read Christ did either preach or practise before his Ascension 2. What is it to the purpose when Christ taught laying on of hands whether before his Passion or after or before his Ascention or after by his Spirit It sufficeth he did teach it for it is one of the Principles of his Doctrine And can it be a Principle of his Doctrine and he not teach it We are certain it cannot And taught it was likewise by his Apostles for a Doctrine-Principle and an Oracle of God Heb. 5.12 6.1 and they did not only teach but practise it also Act. 8.17 19.6 And do you think they would both teach and practise it and never receive it from Christ but must invent it themselvs We cannot believe you do so think Then was it taught by Christ and taught and practised by his Apostles as a foundation-Principle And that sufficeth us and might you if you were willing and obedient See this answered before in Christs Doctrine p. 58. Quest 28. If laying on of hands upon all baptised Believers be to be practised in your sence as an indispensable Duty then we demand Why all the other Principles in Heb. 6. should be expresly and particularly commanded believed or practised in Christs time and not this as it is practised by you if there be that weight in it as you lay upon it c. Answer 1. If laying on of hands say you upon all baptised Believers be to be practised in our sence as an indispensable Duty then you demand Why all the other Principles Heb. 6. should be expresly commanded believed and practised in Christs time and not this as it is practised by us if there be that weight in it as we lay upon it We told you above that it matters not when Christ taught laying on of hands whether in the time of his Life or not And whereas you say That Faith and Repentance the Baptism of Water the Resurrection of the Dead and eternal Judgement were in Christs time plainly taught Pray where did Christ in the time of his Life before his Ascension or after it either so plainly command baptising with water Though we do not deny but there was both Faith Repentance the Resurrection and eternal Judgement plainly enough taught according to that Dispensation and so they were before Christs Incarnation by the Prophets of old nor do we deny but grant that there was Authority enough from Heaven for the Baptism of Water then practised and that there was them that did fore-tell that the holy Spirit should be afterwards given and so it was by the Prophet Joel all which were as preparatives to what afterward Christ should command and teach when he had suffered and was risen and all power in Heaven and Earth was given unto him Mat. 28.18 So John was sent to prepare the way and he taught the Baptism of Repentance saying They should believe on him that was to come so that between both the Faith and the Baptism then and that after Christ was come had suffered ascended and the holy Ghost was given there must needs be a vast difference therefore as you affirm Paul baptised the twelve Disciples he found at Ephesus again because they were onely baptised into John's Baptism who as was his Baptism so was his Doctrine of Faith and Repentance John verily baptised with the Baptism of Repentance saying to the People That they should believe on him which should come after him that is on Christ Jesus Act. 19.4 From whence or from which Dispensation we do not take the Authority of the Foundation-Doctrine of Christ no not of Repentance Faith Baptisms Laying on of hands Resurrection and eternal Judgement but from Christ dead risen and ascended to the Father from whom he sent his holy Spirit to confirm them all to be his Doctrine on which he hath built his Church Yet might these Principles be nay doubtless were left and commanded by Christ before his Ascension which they better understood and put in practice when they were endowed with power from on high Acts 2. by the Spirit of Truth which Christ sent to them to guide them into all Truth John 16.13 and of them whom Christ commanded by word of mouth to observe and teach these Principles have we received them as the Doctrine of the Lord Jesus of which Doctrine laying on of hands on baptised Believers ● such is one Principle taught also by the Apostles and by them practised Acts 8.17 19. ● And if we

these Principles of his Doctrine that he cannot be laid the Foundation without these are laid nor can these be laid the foundation without Christ for had not Christ been a Prince and a Saviour able to save all that come unto God by him there had been no foundation for these And whoso shall refuse to submit to these as the Principles of his Doctrine Christ will be no Saviour to them And this is the very sence of the Text to which the whole body of Scripture agrees and consents for the Apostle doth not deny Christ to be the Foundation when he saith these Principles of his Doctrine are nor doth he deny these are when he saith Christ is 1 Cor. 3.11 12. as you absurdly argue And who knows not that knows any thing in Christianity that he that falls away from one of these foundation-Principles viz. the Resurrection of the Dead falls from Christ and denies him to be the foundation If Christ be not risen your faith is vain you are yet in your sins 1 Cor. 15.17 Then those cannot be denied to be the foundation but Christ must be denied also 5. But then when you leave arguing and query again Whether this be not the sence of the Text when the Author says Heb. 6. he would ●o● lay again the foundation of Repentance and the foundation of Faith and the foundation of the Doctrine of Baptisms and the foundation of Laying on of hands c. Here now you say the Author himself says these are the foundation as stoutly and as confidently as you denied them so to be before and these he saith he will not lay again Not laying again the foundation of Repentance c. Heb. 6.1 but will go on to perfection though we doubt not but he intended no less but that Christ was the chief Corner-stone the foundation of all these Principles and first Rudiments of Christianity He then concludes that they ought not to lay the foundation again but to leave them and to go on to perfection and if they did not go on unto perfection but fall from the foundation they had laid there would be no renewing them again unto Repentance no laying the foundation the second time And then you argue again If then the faith and obedience mentioned Heb. 6. be the Gold Silver and precious Stones that we build upon this foundation according to 1 Cor. 3.12 and not the foundation it self c. If it be as you say is not laying on of hands which is among them neither Gold Silver nor a precious Stone If not it must be Wood Hay Stubble and yet you say the Author of the Epistle to the Hebrews says it is a Foundation but it is the Foundation we say with Jesus Christ himself being the Chief Corner-stone on which the Christian Church is built Ephes 2.20 Then it follows except this foundation be laid all and every part of it the House can never be though where the foundation is laid there are other things without which the House may be though not so well and compleatly be And in like manner we say This Foundation Heb. 6. and every Principle of it the belief and practice of is absolutely necessary to the being of Gods House and yet there are other things the belief and practice of is necessary to the further edification of Gods House without which it cannot so well be And since here we seem in some sort to agree you had done well if you had told us what in your opinion those things are without which the House of God can never be seeing you say that Repentance and Faith c. are no parts of the foundation of Christianity and how Christ can be laid the Foundation and those Principles and Foundations mentioned Heb. 6. neither believed nor practised But not to dwell any longer on this our answer to your last demand in this Question is That the House cannot be except the Foundation be laid in whole not in part and laying on of hands on all baptised Disciples being one Principle of the Foundation must be necessary to its being without which a Church rightly constituted can never be And this we have proved whether you will believe it or no. And therefore we are not guilty of Schism in making a Separation from you Quest 26. We demand Why that laying on of hands Heb. 6. which you say is called a foundation may not be figuratively understood for the holy Spirit which was given thereby and which they were said to partake of vers 4. the Gift whereof was a great support to the profession of the Christian Faith and for that reason the Doctrine of the Spirit might there be understood for one of the Doctrines of Christ which he taught his Disciples once and again before his departure from them We demand why may not this be so since the Scripture doth usually speak after this manner putting the Cup for the Wine contained in it and the Bread and Wine for the Body and Blood of Christ which are but the means by which the Body and Blood of Christ are commemorated in like manner men are said to be Enemies to the Cross of Christ when they slight those advantages that acrue to the world which he obtained by his suffering thereupon And whether that laying on of hands Heb. 6. may not by the same figure of speaking be put for the reception of the Spirit which was so necessary to the first establishing a Christian Church Heb. 2.3 4. How shall we escape if we neglect so great Salvation which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him God also bearing them witness both with signs and wonders and with divers miracles and gifts of the holy Ghost acding to his own will Answer 1. Before you said Laying on of hands was no foundation and now here you demand Why that laying on of hands Heb. 6. which we say is called a Foundation may not figuratively be understood for the holy Spirit that was given thereby We perceive you would be content it should be nothing or any thing but what it is said by the Spirit of God to be And again you demand Why this may not be so seeing the Scripture doth usually speak after this manner putting the Cup for the Wine contained in it and the Bread and Wine for the Body and Blood of Christ which are but the means by which the Body and Blood of Christ are commemorated 2. Well for Argument-sake what if we should say it may be so understood We hope you will not say Though we are to take the Wine for the Cup that the Cup is not by institution to be used as a decent and necessary means to convey the Wine to our mouths that so we may drink the Wine And so though the Bread and Wine be taken for the Body and Blood of Christ and are but the means to commemorate his Body and Blood yet we hope you