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A69195	Certaine demandes with their grounds, drawne out of holy writ, and propounded in foro conscientiæ by some religious gentl. vnto the reverend fathers, Richard archbishop of Canterbury, Richard bishop of London, William bishop of Lincolne, Garvase bishop of Worcester, William bishop of Exeter, & Thomas bishop of Peterbourough wherevnto the said gentl. require that it would please their lordships to make a true, plaine, direct, honest and resolute aunswere.	Bancroft, Richard, 1544-1610.	1605 (1605)	STC 6572.5; ESTC S112734	57,418	70

CERTAINE DEMANDES WITH their grounds drawne out of holy Writ and propounded in foro conscientiae by some religious Gen̄tl vnto the reverend Fathers Richard Archbishop of Canterbury Richard Bishop of London William Bishop of Lincolne Garvase Bishop of Worcester William Bishop of Exeter Thomas Bishop of Peterbourough wherevnto the said Gentl. require that it would please their Lordships to make a true plaine direct honest and resolute aunswere Isai 66. 5. Heare the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word your brethren that hated you cast you out for my Names sake said let the Lord be glorified but he shall appeare to your ioy and they shal be ashamed Ier. 23. 27 Thinke they to cause my people to forget my Name by their dreames which they tell every man to his neighbour as their forefathers have forgotten my Name for Baall Isai 8. 16. Bind vp the Testimony seale vp the Law among my disciples Isai 8. 20. To the Law and to the Testimony if they speake not according to this word it is because there is no light in them 1605. To the Reverend Fathers c. RIght Reverend Fathers your Lordships having bene a long tyme Divinitie Readers in the schole of Christ and some of vs also a long tyme scholers brought vp in the same schole at your feete give vs leave we pray you by way of Question and not of Definition to propound these Demaundes following And as we brieflie and plainly have opposed so let your Lordships be wel pleased simply and honestly to make vs answere For we having as the men of Beraea did searched the scriptures for our satisfaction in the doubtes propounded and out of them not being able to resolve our selves our desire is to be resolved by men of greater skill and not to rest our selves vpon our owne iudgements Now then we thus propound and we thus demaund FIRST whether every supreme Christian Magistrate for every commaund to be given by vertue of his Christian Magistracie touching the worship of God ought not to have the word of faith for the ground and warrant of his commaund that so his commaund being of faith may not be of sinne Secondly whether any supreme Christian Magistrate by Authoritie of holy Writ be inabled to devise ordayne and appropriate a Ministeriall garment for the Ministerie of the Gospell without putting on of which garment he may commaund the Ministers of the Gospell neither publikely to pray to preach the Worde nor administer the Sacramentes Thirdly if it be lawfull for a soveraigne Christian Magistrate by authoritie of holy Writ to ordayne and appropriate a Ministeriall garment for the Ministers of the Gospell then we demaunde whether by Authoritie of holy Writt he may ordayne and appropriate such a Ministeriall garment as in matter and forme differeth not from that proper and necessarie Priestlie garment which the Prince chief Priest of Idolatrie hath appropriated to be worne by his Jdolatrous Priestes in their Idoll service The reason moving vs to make the first demaund respecteth some others rather then our selves For we doubt not but that every supreme Christian Magistrate will agnize that every his mandatorie action concerning the outward worship of God of what nature or qualitie soever it be if it be not sinne must be of faith And that no such action of his can be of faith vnles the same have the word of faith for the ground and warrant thereof Concerning the second Demaund For our partes we never yet read of any commaundement of any word of faith or of any godly example in holy Writt whereby the supreme Christian Magistrate is either directly or by consequence inabled to ordayne and appropriate a Ministeriall garment for the Ministers of the Gospell For howsoever by imitation of the Priestly garmentes ordayned for the Leviticall Priesthood vnder the Law your Lordships may thinke that a ministeriall garment may lawfully be commaunded for the Ministers of the Gospel neverthelesse there being an expresse commaundement given vnto Moses vnder the law for the one and no generall or particular rule delivered vnto a Christian Magistrate in the Gospell for the other we desire to be satisfied by your Lordships whether such an imitation of Leviticall garments be lawfull yea or no If your Lordships answere that the institution of a Ministeriall garment vnder the Gospel is not by imitatiō from the Leviticall law then we demaund from whence the originall and ofspring of that Ministeriall garment came If your Lordships answere that it sprange originally from Mans invention then you directly charge the Christian Magistrate to have no rule of faith for the guidance of his conscience in the institution of a ministeriall garment For your Lordships very well know and according to this your owne knowledge have a longe tyme taught vs that no devise or invention of man can be a divine rule for a Christian Magistrates conscience to be guyded by But aswell for the better clearing of the proper and right vse of the Priestlie garmentes vnder the law as also of the cleare opening of this poynt namely that no reason can bee yeelded from the vse of the priestly garmentes vnder the law for the vse of ministeriall garmentes vnder the Gospell we demaund Whether your Lordships did ever read in any parte of holy Writ that the Priestes were commaunded to eate the Passeover in any other garmentes then in their ordinary garments Whether your Lordships did ever read in any parte of holy Writ that any holy Ministeriall garment was commaunded to bee worne by him that cut of the foreskinne of the fleshe vpon the eight day Whether your Lordships have read in any place of holy Writt that the Prophetes had any proper or speciall attire enioyned vnto them as a proper and necessarie habite wherein they should exercise and without which they might not exercise their propheticall office For wee finde it written When the Prophet hasted and tooke the ashes away from his face that the King of Israll knew him that he was of the Prophetes Whereby it seemeth vnto vs that that Prophet rather by his face then by his proper Propheticall garment was discerned from other men to bee a Prophet especially in the execution of that his propheticall function And this agayne is made more manifest by those wordes which Saule vsed when meeting with Samuell in the middest of the gate of one of the Cities of Zuph he questioned with him after this maner Tell me I pray thee where the Seers house is For had the Prophets bene known in those dayes by their proper propheticall garmentes then needed not Saul in the middest of the gate and at so solemne a feast to have enquired of Samuell for the Seers house But it is written that Saule knew that it was Samuell when an ould man came vp lapped in a mantell And Isayah was commanded to loose his sackcloth from his loynes and to put off his shoe from

the abandoning of sectes divisions and vnquietnes among his people if he shall allow no factious ministers in their obstinacie But if the Archbishops and Bishops have not endevoured much lesse not indevoured to the vttermost of their powers as by the king they are required by conferences arguments perswasions love gentlenes clemencie and weight of reason to reclayme al ministers to the obedience of the church lawes then wee can not see how any civill Magistrates Gentlemen or others of vnderstanding can be intended by the proclamation to be favourers supporters or contenancers of factiousnes or obstinacie in the ministers which are not conformable As for those two and twentie thousande Ministers if possible there could have bene so many who without any conferences argumentes perswasions or weight of reason vsed by the Archbishops or Bishops have turned their heeles and as Gedeons tymerous and fearfull soldiours have returned and departed early from mount Gilead before the appointed tyme came we leave them to the Lord vnto whom in this case they have stood or fallen And who is able to rayse thē vp though for a tyme they be downe Nay if of the tenne thousande if possible there were so many which bee left there should nine thousande seven-hundered bowe downe their knees to drinke water at the Bishops poole and but 300. only should stand vp to lapp water with their tongues as a dogge lappeth in that well of water which springeth to eternal life yet by these 300. only is the Lord able to save Israell and to deliver the Medianites into Gedeons hand Nay if of these 300. but two only shall stand vp clothed in sackcloth to be witnesses yet in the end shall these two witnesses bee two Olyve trees and two Candlestickes standing before God who governeth the earth out of whose mouth if any will hurt them shall fire proceed and devoure their enemies And thus much have we thought necessarie to be spoken touching our vnderstanding of the Kings pleasure and commaund declared by his Highnes proclamation yea this also have we done not onely in regard of our loyaltie vnto our christian King but also in regard of the clearing of ourselves from every vniust imputation of being favourers supporters or countenancers of factious ministers in their obstinacie praying your Lordships to cary a favourable construction of these our Demaundes Because our desire is to be fully satisfied by holy Writt and not rest our iudgementes vpon humane authoritie especially sithence both your Lordships and our selves by the experience of full fiftie yeares have both heard and seene how vnprofitably and to no good purpose this salve of humane power hath bene applied vnto the church surfeted with drinkings and eatings of that romish strumpet yea and for our parts we can not but be hartily sory that after so long a time of triall your Lordships should still remayne so vnperswasible as not once to make experiment of the powring in of some more sweete and medicinable oyle to this so deadly and desperate a wound Especiallie the sore being at this day as deepe as noysome and as full of dead flesh as the same was the very first moment that your predecessors began to stoppe the issue thereof with this kinde of humane tente And so wee will proceed to our last ground drawne out of holy Writt for the resolutenes of our iudgementes wherevpon and wherein we yet stand The third ground If thy brother be grieved for the meate now walkest thou not charitably destroy not him with thy meate for whom Christ dyed It is evill for the man which eateth with offence It is good neither to eate flesh nor to drink wine nor any other thing whereby thy brother stumbleth or is offended or made weake Let vs not therefore iudge one an other any more but vse your iudgment rather in this that no man put an occasion to fall or a stumbling block before his brother From which grounds we demand First whether your Lordships iudge not all godly Ministers true beleevers within your iurisdictions to be your Christian brethren And whetherye and they bee not all sonnes vnto one Father and servants vnto one Lord Whether your Lordships be not of opinion that the putting and not putting on of a Surplice the making the not making of a crosse vpō the childs forehead in Baptisme the wearing not wearing of a square Cap and kneeling and not kneeling in the acte of receiving bread and wine at the Lords Table be not things in their owne nature of like indifferencie as were the eating and not eating of meates drinking and not drinking of wine or any thing in the Apostles time Whether your Lordships can prove by any place of holy writt that these rules and precepts given by the Apostles of not greeving a brother for meate of not walking charitably by eating meate of not destroying him for whom Christ died with meate of not doing evill by eating meate of not eating or drinking whereby a brother stumbleth is offended or made weake and of not putting an occasion to fall before a brother by eating meate We demand we say whether these the Apostles commandements in the not doing of all things of like indifferencie with that of not eating meate and not drinking wine do not aswell bind your Lordships at this day as they did the Bishops Pastours Elders and Brethren of that time And therefore we demand If any of your Ll. had bene Archbishop of Ephesus or of Creete had bene Bishop of Ierusalem Rome or Colosse in the Apostles time whether vnder the title of order vniformitie or by right of superioritie power you might without breach or cōtradiction of the Apostles doctrine have cōmanded any brethren within your charge being weak in faith to have eaten meats forbiddē by the law or sacrificed vnto Idols Againe if any of your Lordships in the Apostles time had bene an Archbishop or a Bishop and by your Archiepiscopall or Episcopall authoritie had commaunded the Pastours Elders and Brethren vnder your chardge being weake in faith by example of the strong in faith and for conformities sake to have eaten meates sacrificed vnto Idols or forbidden by the law we demand whether such your commandement had bene a charitable commandement yea or no Yea and we demand whether the same your commandement vnder what pretence of canonicall obedience vnitie or conformitie soever might have excused the weake in faith from sinning against Christ if at your commandment they being not fully perswaded in their minds had eaten of these meates doubtingly And if the Apostles charitie were so great as that he would never have eaten flesh while the world stādeth rather then he would greeve or offend his weak brother or give him an occasion to sinne we demād how small charitie the men of our age may seeme to have who be so far frō not greeving not offending a weak brother of not giving him an occasion to sinne

by the Apostle in all the Churches planted by his Ministerie argueth rather corruption and noveltie then eyther any ancientie or integritie And therefore we pray your Lordships that hereafter you would be advised by vs not to license your Scribes and prolocutors to cast an imputation of Noveltie vpon the Ministers of Christ or to vpbrayde them with that odious and reprochfull name of Novelistes least for their safegard and iust defence in this behalfe they be constreyned to pray for remedy protection ayde from our Sovereigne Lord King Iames That by a writ of errour out of the Recordes of the High Court of Parliament to be graunted vnto them they may procure the reversing and adnihilating of your worthie orators their vniust and Novelous accusatiō For vnlesse it should seeme a small matter in your Lordships sight to vpbrayd our Sovereigne Lord the King his Nobles and Commons of both Realmes with a blemish of being Novelistes and to be complotters of Novelties for that his Highnes and they by al good counselles endevour that the English and Scottish nations should bee vnited into one people and be restored to their first and ancient name of Brittans And that the two Realmes England and Scotland as in most Ancient time should be called by the name of Great Brittany vnles we say it should seeme a small matter in your eyes to traduce the King his Nobles and Commons in this case of being Novelistes wee pray your Lordships to beare with vs if we tell you playne that for our partes we can not throughly discerne with what honestie your Scribes be indowed when as in their pamphlettes they blaze the Ministers of Christ to be Novelistes Which Ministers notwithstanding hate nothing more then Noveltie and crave nothing so much as that the most certeyne and most single forme of Gods worship left to the Churches by the Apostle without your many and vncerteyne rites and ceremonies might be restored to her primative and Apostolicall ancientie and integritie God save King IAMES Faults eschaped in the Print Pag. 6. lin 6. is for it Pag 6. li. 10. followe for followe Pag. 17. li. à fine 8. oovet for covet Pag. 18. li. à fine 7. prohibition for prohibition Pag 24. li. 4. outward for outward Pag. 26. ad marg li. 2. Numb 21. 8. 9. Pag. 27. marg Kin 10. 10 for 16 10. Pag. 42. li. 12. comn and for command The like demande wee make concerning the command of the Church The like demande wee make of the abilitie of the Church 1. Ki. 20. 41. 1. Sam. 9. 1● Obiection 1. Sā 28. 14 Isa 20. 1. Zech. 13. 4. Math. 3. 4. Answers 1 Chro. 23. 6 1 Chro. 25. 1. 1 Chro. 26. 20. 1 Chro. 9. ●2 2 Chro. 19. 25. Exo. 28. 12 29. 30. 35. 41. 43. Eze. 42 13. 14. Eze. 44. 15. 17. 18. 19. Ezek. 42. Eze. 44. 15. 17. 18. 19. 1 Chro. 15. Num. 4. 15. a 1. Chr. 15 17. 19. b 1. Chro. 16 37. c 1. Chro. 45. 16. d 1. Chro. 16. 41. e 1. Chr. 6. 32. f 2. Chro 5. 12. Obiection Answere Bishops Gentl. Bishops Gentl. ●ishops Gentl. Deut. 7. 25. Deut 7. 26. Deut. 13. 17 Isa 44. 9. Esa 30. 22. 1 Cor. 10. 7 ● Iohn 5. 2● Act. 11. Deu. 12. 30 31 Deu. 14. ● 2 1. Cor. 6. 14 15. 16 Rev. 17 1. 2 Revel 20. 4 Deut. 12. 30. 31. 2 Ki. 1● 3. 4 Bishops Gentl. 2. K● 18. 4. Bb. Gentl. 2. Ki. 10. 10 2. Ki. 29. 5● 15. 16. 17 2. Ki. 17. 15 8. 11. 12. 40. Bb. Gentl. Bishops Gentl. Bishops Gentl. Bb. Gentl. Treat of ceremon sect 3. Exod. 20 Isa 44. 9. Ierem. 10 14. 15. 17 Isa 29 13 Math. 15. 8. Constitut ca. published 1604. com 4. 10. Bishops Gentl. Bishops Gentl. Bishops Gentl. Bb. Gentl. ● Cor. 14. 40. Bb. Gentl. 1 Cor. 14. 4● Bb. Gentl. ●om 13. Bishops Gentl. Const 27 Mar. 14. 18. Isa 21. 1. 2 Bb. Gentl. Levi. 18. 3. 19. 27. 2. Cor. 6. 14 15. 16. Bb. Gentl. Lord Bishop of Lincolae ● 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 25. H. 8. c. 19. Iudg. 7. 3. Reve. 11. 3. 4. 5. Rom. 14. 15. Rom. 14. 20. 21. Rom. 14. 13. 1. Cor. 8. 13. Bishops Gentl. 1. Chron. 13. 2. Title admonition to simple men 1. Cor. 10 28. Bishops Gentl. Rō 14. 14 Bb. Gentl. Rom. 14. 1. Cor. 8. Cor. 10. 28. Bb. Gentl. Rō 14. 23 Bb. Genel In a libell cast out in London against one of the Sherifes and certaine Ministers Bishop Horne Deut. 31. 28 Ierem. 16 Isai 8. 16 Iere. 2. 8. 36 Isa 16. 20 Deu. 32. 17 Deut. 27. 5. Deut. 9. 12. Deut. 5. 22. Deu. 11. 16