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A30986 That the bishops in England may and ought to vote in cases of blood written in the late times upon occasion of the Earl of Straffords case / by [a] learned pen ; with some answers to the objections of the then Bishop of Lincoln, against bishops voting in Parliament. Barlow, Thomas, 1607-1691. 1680 (1680) Wing W2677C; Wing B845; ESTC R17167 16,504 22

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