I am contēt For I am vnder your feete to be troden on as you list God forgyue it you yet am I no heretike neyther you nor any other shal be able to proue that I holde any iote agaynst the worde of God otherwyse then a christian man ought Storie The worde of God forsoth the worde of God Yt is but a follye to reason with these heretiks for they ar incurable and desperat But as I maye reasō with the not that I haue any hope to wynne thee whom will thou apoynt to be iudge of the worde wherto thou standest phil Verely the worde it selfe Storie Do you not see the ignorauncie of this beastly heretike he willeth the word to be Iudge of the worde cā the word speake Phil. Yf I can not proue that which I haue sayd by good auctoritie I wil be cōtent to be coūted an heretike an ygnorāt persō further what you please Storie Let vs heare what wyse auctoritie thou canst bring in phil It is the sayng of Christ in S. Iohn verbū quod locutus sum iudicabit in nouissimo dic The worde which I haue spoken sayth Christ shall Iudge in the last daye Yf the worde shal iudge in the last daye muche more it ought to Iudge our doinges nowe And I am sure I haue my Iudge on my side who shall absolue iustifie me in an other world howsoeuer now it shall please you by auctoritie vnrighteouslye to Iudge of me and others sure I am in an other worlde to Iudge you Storie What you purpose to be a stinking martyr and to syt in Iudgemēt with Christ at the last daye to Iudge the twelue trybes of Israel Phil. Yea syr I doubt not therof hauing the promise of Christ yf I die for righteousnes sake which you haue begon to persecute in me Storie I told you it is but vayne to argue with this heretike he is drowned in his heresies wtout al learning Phil. Syr I haue brought you for that I haue sayd good auctoritie out of Goddes booke to the which you answere nothing but goo about stil to gyue raylīg iudgemēt agaynst me wtout any cause Storie I wil com to you by by when the iudge in westminster halle geueth sentence doth the worde gyue sentence or the iudge tel me phil Ciuil maters be subiect to ciuil mē and they haue autoritie by the worde to be iudge of them But the word of God is not subiecte to mans iudgement but ought to iudge al the wysedome thoughtes and doynges of men And therfore your cōparison disproueth nothing that I haue sayd neither answereth any whyt therto Storie Wilt thou not alowe the interpretacion of the churche vpon the scripture Phil. Yes yf it be according to the word of the true churche and this I saye to you as I haue sayd heretofore that yf ye can proue the churche of Rome wherof ye are to be the true catholyke churche which I ought to folowe I wylbe as ready to yelde therto as long as it can be so proued as you may desire me Storie What a felowe is this he wil beleue nothing but he list him selfe Are we not in possession of the church haue not your forfathers these many hundreth yeres taken this churche for the catholyke churche wherof we are now And yf we had none other profe but this it were sufficient For prescription of tyme maketh a good tytle in the law Phil. You do wel M. doctor to alledge prescription of many yeares That al is nothing but a lye for it is al that you haue to shewe for your selues But you must vnderstande Ex diuinis nulla occurrit praescriptio that prescriptiō hath no place in maters belonging to God as I am hable to shewe by the testimonye of many doctors Storie Wel syr you are lyke to go after your fathers Latimer the Sophister Now Story ye shewe your selfe in your Colours Rydley who had nothyng to alledge for hym selfe but that he had learned his heresie of Cranmer where I came to him with a poore bacheler of art he trēbled as though he had had the palsey as these heretikes haue alwayes some token of feare wherby a man maye knowe them as you may se this mans eyes do tremble in his head But I despatched them And I tel thee that there hath ben yet neuer a one burnt but I haue spoken with him haue ben a cause of his despatche Phil. You haue the more to answere for M. doctor as you shal fele it in an other worlde how moche so euer you do now triumphe of your procedinges Storie I tel thee I wil neuer be cōfessed therof And bicause I cannot now tarye to speake with my lorde I pray you one of you tel my lorde that my cōmyng was to signifye to his lordship that he must out of hande ryd this heretike awaye And goyng away he sayd vnto me I certifye the that thou maist thanke none other man for it but me Phil. I thanke you therfore with al myne hart and God forgeue it you Storie What doest thou thanke me yf I had thee in my study half an houre I thinke I should make you syng an other song Phil. No maister doctor I stande vp on to sure a grounde to be ouerthrowen by you nowe And thus they departed al awaye from me one after an other vntyl I was left al alone And afterwards with my keper goyng to my colehouse as I went I met with my lorde of London who spake vnto me gently as he hath hitherto in wordes sayeng London Philpot yf ther be any pleasure I maye shewe you in my house I pray you require it you shal haue it phil My lorde the pleasure that I will require of your lordship is to hasten my iudgemēt which is cōmitted vnto you and so dispatsche me forth of this miserable worlde vnto my eternal rest And for all his fayre speache I can not attayne hytherto this forthnight space neyther fyer nor candle neyther yet good lodgyng But it is good for a man to be brought lowe in this world and to be counted amongest the vylest that he may in tyme of rewarde receyue exaltacion and glorie Therfore praysed be God that hath humbled me and gyuen me grace with gladnes to be content therwith all Let all that loue the truth saye Amen The fyfth tragedye The sixt examinacion of Iohn Phylpot had before the right honorable lordes lord Chamberleyne to the kinges maiestie the Vicount Hereforde commonly called lord Ferrers my lord Ryche my lord saynt Iohns the lord wyndsore the lord Shandoys Sir Iohn of brydges Lieutenaunt of the tower and two other mo whose names I know not with the bishop of London D. Chedsey the syxt daye of Nouēbre Anno Dn̄i 1555. phil BEfore that I was called before the lordes and whyles they were in sitting downe the bishop of London came asyde to me and whystred in myne care willīg me to vse my selfe
departed by my lordes regester I was brought to his cellar dore where I dranke a good cuppe of wine my lordes chaplain master Cosyn folowed me taking acquaintauÌ„ce sayeng that I was welcome wished that I would not be singular Phil. I am wel taught the contrarie by SalomoÌ„ sayeng Vae soli Wo be vnto him that is alone After that I was caried to my lordes cole house againe where I with my sixe felowes do rowse together in the strawe as chearfully we thanke God as other do in their beddes of downe Thus for the thyrde fitte The examinacioÌ„ of maister Iohn Phylpot had in the archdeacons house of LoÌ„don the 〈◊〉 day of October before the bishops of LoÌ„don Bathe worcester and Glocester MAster Phylpot yt hath pleased my lordes to take paynes hereto daye to dyne with my pore archdeacon Naye your cousyn ArchediacoÌ„ and you bothe bastardes and .ij. priestes sonnes and in the dinner tyme it chaunced vs to haue communication of you And you were pitied here of many that knewe you in the new college in Oxford And I also do pytie your case because you seme vnto me by the talke I had with you the other night to be learned And therfore nowe I haue sent for you to com before them that yt might not be sayd herafter that I had so many learned byshopes at my house and yet would not vouchesafe them to talke with you And at my request I thaÌ„ke theÌ„ they are coÌ„tented so to do Now therfore vtter your mynde frely you shal with al fauour be satisfied I am sorye to see you lye in so euel a case as you do and would fayne you should do better as you maye yf you lust Bath My lordes here haue not sent for you to fawne vpoÌ„ you but for charities sake to exhort you to coÌ„me in to the right catholike waye of the churche worcest Before he beginneth to speake yt is best that he calleth to God for grace and to praye that yt myght please God to open hys hart that he maye conceyue the truth phil With that I fell downe vpon my knees before them and made my prayer on this maner Almyghtie God which art the geuer of al wisdome and vnderstanding I beseche the of thyne infinite goodnes and mercy in Iesus Christ to gyue me most vile sinner in thy sight the spirite of wisdome to speake and make answere in thy cause that it maie be to the contentacion of the hearers before whom I stand And also to my better vnderstanding yf I be deceiued in any thing London Nay my lorde of Worcester you did not well to exhorte hym to make any prayer For this is the thing they haue a singular pride in that they can ofteÌ„ make their vayne prayers in the which they glorie moche For in this point they are moche like to certayne arraÌ„t heretikes of whom Plinie maketh mentioÌ„ that dyd dayly syng â—n eâ—uâ—anoâ— hymnos prayse vnto God before the dawnyng of the daye phil My lord God make me and all you here pÌ„sent suche heretykes as those were that soÌ„g those mornyng hymnes for they were ryght Christians with whom the tyraÌ„nes of the world weare offended for theyr well doing Bath Procede to that he hath to saye he hath prayed I caÌ„ not tell for what London Saye on master Phylpot my lordes wyll gladly heare you Phil. I haue my lordes beÌ„ this twelue moneth and an halfe in prison without any iust cause that I knowe and my liuing taken from me without any law ful ordre And nowe brought contrary to ryght from myn owne territorie and ordinarie into an other mans iurisdiction I know not whie Wherfore if your lordships can burden me with any euill done I stand here before you to purge me of the same And if none suche thing may be iustlye layed to my charge I desyre to be released of this wrongfull trouble London Ther is none here goeth about to trouble you but to do you good yf we can For I promise you ye weare sent hither to me without my knowledge Therfore speake your conscience without any feare Phil. My lord I haue learned to answere in matters of religion in Ecclesia legittime vocatus In the congregacion being ther to lawfully called but nowe I am not lawfully called neyther ys here a iust congregacion wher I owght to answere London In dede this maÌ„ tolde me the last tyme I spake with him that he was a lawer And would not vtter his conscience in maters of faith onlesse yt were in the heariÌ„g of the people wher he might speake to vayne glorie Phil. My Lorde I said not I was a lawer neither do I arrogate to my selfe that name although I was once a nouice in the same wher I learned some thyng for myne owne defence when I am callyd in Iudgement to answere to any cause and wherby I haue ben taught not to put my selfe further indaunger then I nede and so farre am I a lawer and no farther Bath Yf you wil not answere to my lordes request you seme to be a wilfull man in your opinion Phil. My lord of LondoÌ„ is not mine ordinarie before whome I am bounde to answere in this behalfe as master D. Cole which is a lawier can wel tel you by the lawe And I haue not offended my lord of London wherfore he should call me London Yes I haue to laye to your charge that you haue offended in my diocese by speaking agaynst the blessed sacrament of the altar and therfore I may call you and procede agaynst you to punishe you by the lawe Phil. I haue not offended in your diocese for that which I spake of the sacrament was in Paules churche in the coÌ„uocation house which as I vnderstaÌ„d is a peculiar Iurisdiction belonging to the deane of Paules and therfore is counted of your lordshipes diocese but not in your diocese London Is not paules churche in my diocese Well I wot it cost me a good deale of mony by the yere the leading therof Phil. That maye be yet be exempted from your lordships iurisdiccion And albeit I had so offended in the place of your diocese yet I ought by the lawe to be sent to myne Ordinarie yf I require it and not to be punished by you that are not myne ordinarie And already as I haue tolde you I haue ben conuented of myne Ordinarie for this cause which you go about to enquire of me London How saye you M. doctor Colle maye not I procede against hym by the lawe for that he hath done in my diocese Colle Yea further him to the fyre Me thinketh M. Philpot nedeth not to stande so muche with your lordship in that point as he dothe sythen you seke not to hynder him but to further hym Therfore I thynke it best that he go to the matter that is layde agaynst hym of the conuocacion and make no longer delaye Phil. I would willynglye shewe my mynde of
do as you do Phil. No my lorde I do not as I do for that cause For I am taught otherwyse by the Gospel not altogether to refuse the minister for his euell lyuyng so that he bryng sounde doctrine out of Goddes boke worce Do you thinke that the vniuersal churche may be deceyued Phil. S. Paule to the Thessalonians prophecied that ther should come an vniuersall departing from the fayth in the latter dayes before the comming of Christ sayeng Non veniet Christus nisi venerit defectio prius That is Christ shall not come tyl ther come a departing fyrst Cole Yea I pray you howe take you the departyng there in S. Paul It is not ment of fayth but of the departing from the empyre For it is in Greke Apostasia Phil. Mary in dede you M. Doctour put me in good remembraunce of the meanyng of saynt Paule in that place For Apostasia is properlye a departyng from the faythe and therof commeth Apostata whiche properlye sygnyfyeth one that departeth from his fayth And saynt Paule in the same place after speaketh of the decaye of the Empire Cole Apostasia doth not only signifie a departing from the fayth but also frō the Empyre as I am hable to shewe phil I neuer red it so taken and when you shal be hable to shewe it as you saye in wordes I wil beleue it and not before morc I am sorye that you should be agaynst the christen world phil The worlde cōmonly and such as be called christians for the multitude hathe hated the truth and ben enemyes to the same Gloue Why maister Philpot do you thynke that the vniuersall churche hathe erred and you only to be in the truthe phil The churche that you are of was neuer vniuersal For two partes of the worlde which is Asia and Affrica neuer consented to the supremacie of the bishop of Rome as at this daye they do not neither do folowe his decrees Gloce. Yes in Florentines coūsel they did agree phil It was sayd so by false reporte after they of Asia and Affrica were gone home But it was not so in dede as the sequel of them al hitherto doth proue the contrarye Gloce. I praye you by whom wyl you be iudged in matters of controuersie which happen dayly phil By the worde of God For Christ sayeth in S Iohn̄ the worde that he spake shal be iudge in the later daye Gloc. What yf you take the worde one waye and I an other waye who shal be iudge then phil The primatiue Churche Gloc. I knowe you meane the doctours that wrote therof Phil. I meane verely so Gloc. What yf you take the doctours in one sence and I in an other who shal be iudge then Phil. Then let that be taken which is most agreable to Goddes worde Cole My lordes why do you trouble your selues to answer him in this mater it is not the thing which is layd to his charge but his errour of the sacrament and he to shyfte him selfe of that brought in an other matter Phil. This is the mater maister Cole to the which I haue referred al other questions and desire to be satisfyed worce It is wonder to se howe he stādeth with a fewe against a great multitude Phil. We haue almost as many as you For we haue Asya Affryca Germany Denmarke and a great part of Fraunce and daylye the nombre of the Gospel dothe increase so that I am credibly informed that for this religion in the which I stād and for that which I am like to diē a great multytude dothe daily com out of Fraūce through persecucion that the cities of Germanie be scarse hable to receaue them And therfore your lordship may be sure the worde of God wil one day take place So what you can to the contrarie worcest They were wel occupied to bring you suche newes and you haue ben well kept to haue suche resort vnto you thou art the arrogauntest and stoutest fond felowe that euer I knewe Phil. I pray your lordshipe to beare with my hastye speache for it is parte of my corrupte nature to speake somwhat hastly But for all that I meane with humilitie to do my dewty to your lordships London Master Philpot my lordes wil troble you no further at this tyme But you shall goo from whence you cam and haue suche fauour as in the meane while I can shew you and vpon wednesdaye next you shal be called agayne to be heard what you cā say for the mayntenaunce of your error Phil. My lord my desire is to be satisfied of you in that I haue required and your lordship shall fynde me as I haue said worcest We wyshe you as well as our selues Phil. I thinke the same my lordes but I feare you are deaceuyd and haue a zeale of your selues not according to knowledge worcest God send you more grace Phil. And also God increase the same in you open your eyes Nay God ryd his shepe from such wolues that you maie se to maintaine his truthe and his true church Than the bishopes rose vp and cōsulted together and caused a writing to be made In the which I thinke my bloude by them was bought and sold and therto they put to theyr handes and after this I was caryed to my cole howse agayne Thus endeth the fourth parte of this tragedye God hasten the ende therof to his glorye Amen BEcause I haue begonne to write vnto you of myne examinacions before the B. other more to satisfie your desire than it is any thing worthy to be written I haue thought yt good to write vnto you also that which hath ben of late that the same myght come to light which they do in darkenes priuy corners and that the world nowe the posteritie herafter might knowe howe vnorderlye vniustlye and vnlearnedlye these rauening wolues do procede agaynst the selye and faithful flocke of Christ and condēpne and persecute the syncere doctrine of Christ in vs which they are not hable by honest meanes to resyst but only by tyrannie and violence The examinacion of Iohn Philpot had before the bishoppes of Lōdon Rochester Couētre S. Asses I trow one other whose seas I know not Doctor storie Curtop D. Sauerson D. Pendletō with diuers other chaplaynes and gētlemen of the Quenes chamber with diuers other gentilmen in a galerye of my lord of Londons palace MAster Philpot come you hyther London I haue desired my lordes here other learned men to take som paynes once agayne and to do you good and because I do mynd to sit in iudgemēt on you to morowe as I am commaunded yet I would you should haue as muche fauour as I can shewe you yf you wil be any thing conformable Therfore plaie the wyse mā and be not singular in your opinion but be ruled by these learned men phil My lorde that you saye you will sit on me in iudgement to morowe I am glad therof For I was promised by them
acceptable because they were not in al poīts done according to Goddes worde Wherfore except blessing be made after the worde which is a dewe thankes geuyng for our redēption in Christ and shewing forth of the Lordes death in suche wise as the congregacion may be edified and also a taking and eating after Christes commaundement as it is not in the masse This ys my body which is the latter parte of the sacrament hath neuer no place neither can be verefied For Christ cōmaunded aswell take ye and eate ye as this is my body Chadsey Christ sayd take eate this is my body and not take ye eat ye phil No did master doctor be not these the wordes of Christ accipite manducate do not these words in the plural nōber singnifie take ye eat ye not take thou eat thou as you would suppose Chadsey I graunt it is as you saye phil Lykewyse of consequency you master doctor must nedes deny which you haue sayd that these words this is my body being only spoken be sufficyent to make the body bloude of Chryste in the sacramēt as you haue vntruly sayd London Then came in the bishop agayne and sayde what is that you would haue master doctor deny phil My lord master doctor hath affirmed that these words this is my body spokē by the priest only do make the sacramēt London In dede if master bryges should speake these wordes ouer the bread wyne they would be of none effect but if a priest speake them after a due maner they are effectuall and make a reall body Phil. Master S. hath sayd otherwise London I thinke you mystake him for he meaneth of the words duely pronounced Phil. Let him reuoke that he hath sayd thē must it nedes folowe that this is my body hath no place except blisse take eate duely go before And because the same do go before this is my body in your sacramēt of the masse it is not the sacrament of Christ neyther hath Christ present Chadsey If this is my body onelye do not make the sacrament no more do blysse take and eate Phil. I graūt that the one without tho ther can not make the sacrament And it can be no sacrament onles the hole action of Christ doth concurre together according to the fyrst institucion Chadley Why then you wil not haue it to be the body of Christ onles it be receyued phil No verely it is not the very body of Christ to none other but to suche as condignely receyue the same after his institucion London Is not a loafe a loafe being set on the table though no body eat therof phil It is not like my lorde For a lofe is a lofe before he be set at the table But so is not the sacrament a perfect sacrament before it be dewly ministred at the table of the lord London I pray you what is it in the meane while before it is receiued after the wordes of consecraciō spokē answer me phil It is my lord the signe begon of a holy thing and yet no perfecte sacrament vntil it be receiued For in the sacrament there be two thinges to be cōsidered the signe and the thing it selfe which is Christ and his hole passion it is that to none but to suche as worthily receyue the holy signes of bread wine according to Christes instituciō wynsor Ther were neuer none that denyed the wordes of Christ as you do did not he saye this is my body phil My lord I pray you be not disceyued we do not deny the wordes of Christ but we say these wordes be of none effect being spoken otherwyse than Christ did instuute them in his last supper for an example Christ bydde the church to baptyze in the name of the father the Sonne the holy Goost yf a priest saye those words ouer the water and there be no chyld to be baptised those words onely pronounced do not make baptysme And agayne baptysme is only baptysme to such as be baptized to none other standing by L. Chamber I pray you my lorde let me aske him one question what kind of presence in the sacrament duely ministred according to Christes ordinaūce do you allowe Phil. Than do I confesse the presence of Christe holly to be with all the frutes of his passyon vnto the worthy receyuer by the spirit of God and that Chryst is therby ioyned to him he to Chryst L. chamber I am answered London My lordes take no hede of him For he goeth about to disceyue you His similitude that he bryngeth in of baptisme is nothing lyke to the sacrament of the altare For yf I should saye to syr Iohn Bryges being with me at supper My lorde is better skilled in bely cheare than in Christes sacramentes and hauing a fatt capō take eat this is a fat capon Although he eat not therof is it not a capon styll and lyke wyse of a pece of beefe or of a cup of wine yf I saye drinke this is a good cup of wine is it not so because he drinketh not therof Phil. My lord your similitudes be to grosse for so highe mysteries as we haue in hand as yf I were your equall I could more playnly declare and ther is muche more dissimilitude betwene common meates and drinkes than ther is betwene baptysme and the sacramēt of the body and bloud of Christ Lyke must be compared to like and spiritual thinges with spirituall not spiritual thinges with corporal thinges And meates drinkes be of their owne natures good or euil your wordes commēding or discōmēding do but declare what they are But the sacramentes be to be cōsidered according to the word which Christ spake of thē of the which take ye and eate ye be some of the chief concurrent to the making of the same without the which ther can be no sacramentes And therfore in Greke the sacrament of the body bloude of Christ is called Coenonia a cōmunion And lykewyse in the gospel Christ commaunded sayeng Diuidite inter vos diuide it among you Chadsey S Paul calleth it a communicacion Phil. That doth more expressely shewe that there must be a participaon of the sacrament togyther London My lordes I am sory I haue troubled you so long with this obstinate man with whom we can do no good I wil troble you no lēger now And with that the lords rose vp non of them sayeng any euil word vnto me halfe amased in my iudgement God worke it to good Thus endeth the syxt part of this tragedie the seuēth loke for with Ioye The vij examinaciō of Iohn Philpot had the .xix. of Nouembre before the bishops of London and Rochester the chaunceler of Lychefeld D. Chadsey master Dee bacheler of diuinitie SYrra come hither How chaūce you come no soner is it wel done of you to make maister chaunceler and me to tary for you this houre wel sworne my lorde by the fayth of my body halfe an
is my hole desyre now to folow that which is good what soeuer I haue don in tymes past and to cleaue to Goddes truthe Duresme Do you so and then shal you do wel It is almost nyght my lorde of London I must nedes be gone London Nay my lorde of Duresme I must desire your lordship and my lord of Chichester to tary a lytle whyle And before he had so said the bishop of Bathe went his way wtout sayeÌ„g any worde What my lorde of Bathe wil you be gone I praye you tary My lordes I haue earnest maters to charge this man withal wherof I would your lordships to be made priuie And I haue them here written in a lybel I praye you syt downe agayne or els I wil. First I laye to him here that he hath written in a Bible which I toke from him this erroneous sayeng ê™ spiritus est vicarius Christi in terra wilt thou abyde by this sayeng of thyne that the spirite is Christes vicar on earth Phil. My lorde it is not my sayeng it is a better learned mans then myne For I vse not to wryt mine owne sayenges but the notable sayenges of other auncient wryters as al the other be where ye fynde the same wrytten And as I remember it is in the sayeng of S. Bernarde and a sayeng that I nede not to be ashamed of nether you to be offended as my lorde of Duresine my lorde of Chichester by their learning can discerne and wil not recken it euil sayd London No wil why take awaye the first sillable and it soundeth Arius phil That is farre fetched in dede yf your lordship wil scan mens sayengs in suche wise you may fynde out what you lyst London But to helpe this I fynde moreouer writteÌ„ with his owne haÌ„de in an other boke In me Ioanne Philpotto vbi abundauit peccatum superabundauit gratia That is in me IohnÌ„ Philpot wher synne did abound grace hath superabouÌ„ded I pray you what superabouÌ„daunt grace haue you more theÌ„ other men So said Arius that he had the aboundaunce of grace aboue al other phil My lorde you nede not to be offended with that sayeng more theÌ„ the other for it is the sayeng of S. Paule of hym selfe and I did applye it to my selfe for my comforte knowyng that though my synnes be huge and great in the syght of God yet is his mercye and grace aboue them all And coÌ„cerning Arius and his adherentes I defye them as it is wel knowen I haue written against them London Also I lay to thy charge that thou killedst thy father wast accursed of thy mother in her deathbed as I can bring witnes herof phil O lord what blasphemy is this hathe your lordship nothing of truth to charge me wtal but as I may speake it with your honours such forged blasphemous lyes If any of these caÌ„ be ê“ued I wil promis here to recant at Paules crosse what you wil haue me I am so sure they are as great blasphemies as may be obiected agaynst any man Ha my lordes I pray you considre how my lord of London hath hitherto proceded agaynst me For in dede he hath none other but such pretensed slauÌ„derous lies Chichest They be parorga That is maters besyde the purpose Dures My lord I must nedes bid you fare well London Nay my lord here is a letter which your lordship I shall desire to heare or you goo This man being in my keping hath taken vpon him to write letters out of prison and to peruerte a yong gentilman called Master Grene in my house cal him hyther and hath made a false report of his examinacion as you shall heare not being content to be euill him selfe but to make others as bad as him selfe he all to tare the letter when he sawe my man went about to searche him But yet I haue pieced it agayne together and caused a copy to be written therof and he read the torn letter bidding master Christo for soÌ„ and doctor Morgan to marke the copy therof The contentes of the letter was the examinacion of master Grene before the bishop of London in the presence of master Feknam Deane of Pauls and of dyuers others whose redy answeres in the scriptures and in the doctors was woÌ„dered at of the deane him self and of many others as master Feknam dyd report And that he was first committed to doctor Chadsey and after to doctor Dee the great coniurer and to haue his meate from the bishops owne table How say you my lords was this wel done of him being my prisoner to write this And yet he hath written as shamfully that he was in doctors Chadseys keping how say you maister doctor Chadsey is it not a shamfull lye Chad. Yes my lord he was neuer in my keping Lond. Art thou not ashamed to write suche shamfullyes come hither master Grene did not I shewe you this letter Grene. yea forsoth my lord you shewed it me London Howe thinke you my lordes Is not this an honest man to belye me to call my chaplayne a great coÌ„iurer my lord of Duresme smyled therat phil Your lordship dothe mystake all things this letter as your lordship may perceaue al other that haue herd the same was not wrytteÌ„ by me but by a freÌ„d of myne certyfyeÌ„g me at my request howe master Grene sped at my lord of LoÌ„doÌ„s haÌ„des there is nothiÌ„g in that letter the other I or he the wrote it nede to feare but that myght be wrytten as my reporte London Then tel me who wrote it if you dare phil No my lord it is not my deuty to accuse my frende specyally seyng you will take all thinges to the worst Nether you shal neuer knowe of me who wrote it Your lordship may se in the ende of the letter that my freÌ„d did wryte vnto me vpoÌ„ the occasion of my appeale which I haue made to the hole parlyament house about suche maters as I am wrongfully troubled for London I would see any so hardy to put vp thyne appeale Phil. My lord I caÌ„not tel what God wil worke I haue writteÌ„ it spede as it may London My lord I haue vsed him with muche gentilnes synce he cam to me howe sayst thou haue I not phil If to lye in the vilest prison in this towne being a gentilman and an archdiacon and in a cole house by the space of v. or vi wekes already without fyer or candel be to be counted gentilnes at your handes I must nedes say I haue fouÌ„de geÌ„tilnes But there were neuer meÌ„ so cruelly haÌ„dled as we are at these dayes London Lo what a varlet is this besydes this my lords euen yesterday he procured his man to bring him a bladder of blacke powder I cannot tel for what purpose I. phil Your lordship nedeth not to mistrust the mater it is nothing but to make ynke withall for lacke of ynke as I had it before in the kinges benche wheÌ„ my keper
at knowlege therof procede to depriuacion Phil. Master doctour you knowe that the common lawe is otherwyse And besydes this the statutes of this realme be otherwyse which geueth this benefyte to euery persone though he be an heretyke to enioye his lyuyng vntyl he be put to death for the same Cooke No ther thou arte deceyued Phil. Vpon the lyuyng I passe not But the vniust dealyng greueth me that I should be thus troubled for my conscience contrary to al lawe Cholm Why wyll you not agree that the Quenes maiestie maye cause you to be examined of your fayth Phil. Aske you of master D. Cooke and he wyll tel you that the temporal magistrates haue nothyng to doo with maters of fayth for determinacion therof And S. Ambrose sayth Diuina imperatoriae maiestati non sunt subiecta That the thinges of God are not subiect to the power and authoritie of princes Cooke No may not the temporal power commit you to be examined of your fayth to the bishop That is an other mater Phil. Yea syr I denie not that but you will not graunt that the same maye examine any of theyr owne authoritie Cooke A sure solucion Let hym be had away Phil. Your mastership ê“mised me the last tyme I was before you I should see your commission by what autoritie you do cal me and whether I by the same be bouÌ„de to answere to so muche as you demaunde Roper Let hym see the commission The scribe What thaÌ„ he exhybited it to master Roper and was about to opeÌ„ the same Cooke No what wil you do he shal not see yt Phil. Than do you me wrong to call me and vexe me not shewing your autoritie in this behalfe Cooke Yf we do you wrong coÌ„playne on vs and in the meane whyle thou shalt lye in the lollardes tower Phil. Syr I am a poore geÌ„telmaÌ„ therfore I trust of your gentlenes you will not coÌ„mitte me to so vyle and strayte a place being founde no haynous trespacer Cooke Thou art no gentilman Phil. Yeas that I am Cooke An heretyke is no gentilman for he is a gentelmaÌ„ that hath gentil condicions Phil. The offeÌ„ce can not take away the state of a gentilman as long as he lyueth although he were a traytour But I meane not to boast of my geÌ„tlemanship but wil put it vnder my foote synce you do no more esteme it Storie What wil you suffer this heretyke to prate with you al this daye Cooke He sayth he is a gentilman Storie A gentilman ê™ A he is a vyle heretike knaue Naye he wil not take your name from you For an heretyke ys no gentilman Let the Keper of lollardes tower comme in and haue hym awaye The Keper Here syr Storie Take this man with you to the lollardes tower or els to the bishops Cole howse Phil. Syr yf I were a dogge you could not appoint me a worse and more vyle place But I must be coÌ„tent with what so euer iniurie you do offer me God gyue you a more merciful hart you are verye cruel vpon one that hath neuer offended you I praye you master cholmeley shewe me some freÌ„dship that I be not caried to so vyle a place And he called me asyde and said Cholm I am not skylfull of theyr doyng neyther of theyr lawes I caÌ„ not tel what they meane I would I could do you good Phil. I am content to go whither you will haue me Ther was neuer man more cruelly haÌ„dled than I am at your haÌ„des that without any iust cause knowen should thus be intreated Storie Shal we suffer this heretyke thus to reproue vs haue hym hence Phil. God forgyue you and gyue you more merciful hartes shew you more mercy in the tyme of nede Et quod facis fac citius So quickly that you haue in hande Storie Do you not heare howe he maketh vs Iudases Phil. That is after your owne vnderstaÌ„ding After thys I with .iiij. other moo were brought to the kepers howse where we supped in pater noster rowe and after supper I was called vp to a chaÌ„ber by the archdeacon of Londons seruaunt and that in his masters name he offred me a bedd for that night To whome I gaue thankes sayeÌ„g that yt should be a greffe to me to lye wel one night the next worse Wherfore I would begynne as I am like to continue to take suche part as my felowes doo And with that we were brought through paternoster rowe to my lord of Londons colehowse Vnto the which is ioyned a lytle blind howse with a great payre of stockes apoynted both for hand and foote But thankes be to God we haue not played of those orgaynes yet although som befor vs had tried them And ther we founde a Minister of Estsex a maried priest a maÌ„ of godly zeale with one other pore man And this minister at my comming desyred to speake with me and did greatly lament hys owne infirmitie for that through extremitie of imprisonment he was constrayned by wryting to yeld to the bishop of London Wherupon he was once set at libertie And afterward felt suche a hel in his coÌ„science that he could scarce refrayne from destroyeng hymselfe and neuer could be at quiet vntyl he had gone to the bishopes regester desyring to see hys byl agayne the which as sone as he had receyued he tare yt in peaces And afterward he was as Ioyful as any man might be Of the which when my lorde of LondoÌ„ had vnderstanding he sent for hym and fell vpon hym like a lyon and like a manly bishop buffeted him wel and plucte awaye a great pece of his beard But now thankes be to God he is as Ioyful vnder the crosse as any of vs and verye sorye of his former infirmitie I write thys because I would all men to take heede howe they doo contrary to theyr conscience which is to fal into the paynes of hell Here an ende The maner of my calling fyrst before the bishop of LoÌ„don the secoÌ„d night of my imprisonment in his cole house THe Bishop sent vnto me master IohnÌ„son hys Regester with a messe of meate and a good pott of drynke breade sayeng that my lorde had no knowladge erst of my beyng here for that which he was sorye Therfore he had seÌ„t me my felowes that meat knowing whether I would receyue the same I thanke god for my lordes charitie that it pleased hym to remember pore prisoners desyring almighty God to encreace the same in hym and in all others And therfore I woulde not refuse his beneficence and therwith toke the same vnto my brethern praysing God for his prouidence towards hys afflicted flocke that he stereth our aduersaries vp to helpe the same in theyr necessitie IohnÌ„son My lorde would know the cause of your sendyng hyther for he knoweth nothyng therof and wondreth that he should be troubled with prisoners of other dioceses then hys owne And I declared vnto hym the hole
booke and read the place The which after I had read I sayd it made nothing against me but against the Arriās and other heretiks against whom Ireneus wrote prouīg that they weare not to be credityd because they did teache and folowe after straunge doctrine in Europa that the chefe churche of the same was founded by Peter and Paule and had to his tyme continued by faythfull succession of the faythfull Bishops in preachyng the true Gospel as they had receyued it of the Apostles and nothyng lyfe to the late sprong heretikes c. Wherby he cōcludeth against thē that they were not to be heard neyther to be credited The which thing yf you my lordes be able to proue nowe of the churche of Rome then had you as good autoritie against me in my cause nowe as Ireneus had against those heretikes But the church of Rome hath swarued frō that truthe and simplicitie of the Gospell which it maintained in Ireneus tyme and was vncorrupted frō that which it is nowe Wherfore your lordships can not iustly applie the autoritie of Ireneus to the churche of Rome nowe which is so manifestlye corrupted from the primatiue Churche London So wil you say stil it maketh nothing for the purpose what so euer autoritie we bring and wil neuer be satisfyed Phil. My lorde when I do by iust reason proue that the autorities which be brought against me do not make to the purpose as I haue already proued I trust you wil receyue myne answere worcest It is to be proued most manifestly by al auncient wryters that the sea of Rome hath alwayes folowed the truthe and neuer was deceyued vntil of late certayne heretikes had defaced the same Phil. Let that be proued I haue done worcest Nay you are of suche arrogācie singularitie vayne glorie that you wil not se it be it neuer so wel proued Phil. Ha my lordes is it nowe tyme thynke you for me to folowe singularitie or vaynglorie synce it is nowe vpō daunger of my lyfe and death not onlye presently but also before God to come and I knowe yf I dye not in the true faythe I shall dye euerlastingly again I knowe yf I do not as you would haue me you will kyll me and many thousandes moo Yet had I leuer perishe at your handes than to perishe eternally And at this tyme I haue lost al my cōmodities of this worlde and nowe lye in a colhouse where a man would not laye a dogge with the which I am wel contented Cole Where are you hable to proue that the churche of Rome hath erred at any tyme and by what historie certaine it is by Eusebius that the churche was stablyshed at Rome by Peter and Paule and that Peter was Bisshop .xxv. yeres at Rome Phil. I knowe wel that Eusebius so wryteth but yf we compare that which S. Paule writeth to the Galathiās the first it wil manifestly appere the cōtrarie that he was not halfe so long there He lyued not past .xxxv. yeares after he was called to be an Apostle And Paul maketh mencion of his abidyng after Christes death more then .xviij. yeres Colle What did Peter wryte vnto the Galathians Phil. No I saye Paule maketh mencion of Peter wrytyng to the Galathians of his abiding And further I am hable to proue bothe by Eusebius and other historiographers that the church of Rome hath manifestly erred and at this present doth erre because she agreeth not with that which they wrote The primatiue churche dyd vse according to the Gospel And ther nedeth none other profe but cōpare the one with the other London Hearke my lordes wise parabable I maye compare this man to a certayne man I reade of which fell into a disperation and went into a wood to hang him selfe And when he came there he went vewyng of euery tree and could fynde none on the which he myght vouchesaffe to hang himselfe But I wil not applie it as I myght I praye you maister doctor go forth with him Nother you nor they are hable in this case Colle My lorde there be on euery syde on me that be better hable to answer him And I loue not to falle in disputacion for that nowe a dayes a man shall but sustayne shame and obloquy therby of the people I had leuer shewe my mynde in wrytyng Phil. And I had leuer that you should so do then otherwyse For thē a mā may better iudge of your wordes then by argument And I beseche you so doo But yf I were a ryche man I durst wager an hundreth poundes that you shal not be hable to shewe that you haue sayd to be decreed by a general coūsel in Athanasius tyme. For this I am sure of that it was concluded by a general counsel in Affrica many yeres after that none of Affrica vnder payne of excōmunication should apeale to Rome the which decre I am suer they would not haue made yf by the scriptures it had bene by an vniuersall counsell that all men should abyde and folowe the determinacion of the churche of Rome Colle But I can shewe that they reuoked that errour agayne Phil. So you saye maister doctour But I pray you shewe me where I haue hetherto heard nothing of you for my contentation but bare wordes without any autoritie London What I praye you ought we to dispute wyth you of our fayth Iustinian in the lawe hath a tytle De fide catholica to the contrarie Phil. I am certayne the ciuil lawe hath suche a constitucion but our fayth must not depende vpon the ciuil lawe For as S. Ambrose sayeth Non lex sed fides congregauit Ecclesiam Not the lawe but the gospel sayeth he hath gathered the church together worcest Maister Philpot you haue the spirite of pryde wherwith ye be ledde which wil not let you yelde to the truth Leaue it for shame Phil. Sir I am suer I haue the spirite of fayth by the which I speake at this present Neither am I ashamed to stand in my fayth Glocest What do you thynke yourselfe better learned then so many notable learned men as be here Phil. Elyas alone had the truthe whē there were foure hundreth priestes against him worcest Oh you would be coūted now for Helyas And yet I tel thee he was deceiued For he thought ther had ben none good but him selfe and yet he was deceyued for ther was .vii. hundreth besydes hym Phil. Yea but he was not deceyued in doctrine as the other .vii. hūdreth were worc By my fayth you are greatly to blame that you can not be content to be of the churche which euer hath ben of that faythful antiquitie Phil. My lorde I knowe Rome haue ben there where I sawe your lordship worc In dede I dyd flye from hence thither And I remember not that I sawe you there But I am sorye that you haue ben there for the wyckednes whych you haue sene there peraduēture causeth you to
dog sware by his christendom sence al the catholyke churche vntil these fewe yeares haue taken hym to be supreme head of the churche besydes this good man Ireneus Phil. That is not lykely that Ireneus so toke him or the primatiue churche For I am hable to shewe seuen general coūsels after Ireneus time wherin he was neuer so taken which maye be a sufficient profe that the catholike primatiue churche neuer toke hym for supreme head The other Bis This man wil neuer be satisfyed saye what we can It is but folly to reason any more with him Phil. Oh my lordes would you haue me satisfyed with nothing Iudge I praye you who of vs hath better autoritie he which bringeth the exāple of one man goyng to Rome or I that by these many general councelles am hable to proue that he was neuer so taken in many hūdreth yeres after Christ as by Nicene Ephesyne the fyrst and the second Calcedonen̄ Constantinopolitane Carthaginen̄ Auilien̄ Couentre Why wil ye not admit the churche of Rome to be the Catholyke churche phil Bicause it foloweth not the primatiue catholyke churche neyther agreeth with the same no more then an apple is lyke a nutte Couentre Wherin doth it discent Phil. Yt were to long to recite all but two thinge I wil name the supremacie and transubstāciation Curtop As for transubstantiation albeyt yt was set furth and decreed for an article of fayth not muche aboue thre hūdreth yeres yet yt was alwayes beleued in the churche London Yea that it was very well sayd of you master Curtoppe phil Ye haue sayd right that transubstanciation is but a late plantacion of the bishop of Rome and you are not hable to shew any auncient wryter that the primatiue churche did beleue any suche thinges And with this Curtop shranke awaye And immediatly after the ambassadoure of spayne cam in To whom my lord of London went leauing the other with me To whō I said my lordes yf you can shewe me that this churche of Rome wherof you are membres is the true chatolik churche I shal be content to be one therof And as conformable to the same as you can require me in all thīges For I knowe ther is no saluacion but within the churche Couentre Can you disproue that the churche of Rome is not the catholike churche phil Yea that I am hable but I desire rather to heare of you for the profe therof And seyng I can not haue my request at your handes neyther be satisfied with any probable auctoritie I wil shewe yowe good profe why it is not the catholike churche as it was in deade and owght to be the forme and scolemaistres of the churche to the worldes ende than is not the churche of Rome nowe the catholike churche which dissenteth so farre from the same bothe in doctrine and vse of the sacramentes Couentre Howe proue you that the churche of Rome nowe dissenteth in doctrine and vse of the sacramentes from the primatiue church Phil. Compare the one with the other yt wil sone appeare as you maye see both in Eusebius and in other Ecclesiasticall and auncient writers Couentre What haue you to saye more why it is not the catholike churche Phil. Because it is not by your owne interpretacion of the catholike vniuersall neyther neuer was albeyt you falsely persuade the people that it is soo For the world being diuided in three partes Asia Affrica Europa twoo parts therof Asia and Affrica professīg Christ as well as we did neuer consēt to the church of Rome which is of Europa which is a sufficient testimonie that your faith was neuer vniuersall Couentre How proue you that Phil. All the historiographers which write of the procedinges of the churche do testifie the same Besides that this present tyme doth declare that to be true which I saye For at this present the churche of Asia and Affrica do not consent to the churche of Rome Yea and besides al this the most part of Europa doth not agre neyther alowe the churche of Rome As Germanie the kingdome of Denmarcke the kingdome of Poole a great part of Fraūce England and Zealande which is a manifest probacion that your churche is not vniuersall And after this the bishop of London called awaye the other bishops left with me diuers gentlemen with certayne of his chaplaynes as doctor Sauerson an englisheman which had proceded doctor in Bonnony who after began with me in this maner D. sauer Master Philpot I remembre you beyonde the sea synce the tyme you reasoned with a fryer a notable learned man comming from Venece to Padua in a barge Phil. I can not forgett that for the fryer thretned me to accuse me of heresye as sone as he cam to Padua for that I talked with him so boldly of the truth He was no suche learned man as you name hym to be but onlye in his scoole poynts a good purgatorie frier D. sauer Well he was a learned man for all that And I am sorye to heare that you this daye hauing communed with so many notable learned men are no more conformable to them than you be Phil. I wil be conformable to all them that be conformable to Christ in his worde And I praye you good master Doctor be not soo cōformable to please men more than God contrarie to your learnīg for worldly estimaciōs sake D. sauer No that I am not vpon what occasiō should you thinke thus of me Phil. Vpō no euil that I do knowe of you master doctor but I speake as one wishing that you should not be led away frō the truthe for promocions sake as many doctors doo nowe a dayes D. sauer I haue heard your argumētacions hitherto me thinketh that a great many of the olde auncient writers be agaynst you in that you do not alowe the churche of Rome neyther the supremacie For S. Cipriane which is an olde aunciēt writer doth allowe the bishop of Rome to be the supreme head of the churche Phil. That I am sure of he doth not For he writing vnto Cornelius then bishop of Rome calleth hym but his cōpanyon and felowe bishop neither attributed to hym the name eyther of Pope or elles of any other vsurped termes which now be ascribed to the bishop of Rome to the setting forth of his dignitie Sauer You can not be hable to shewe that S. Ciprian calleth Cornelius his felow bishop Phil. I wil wager with you that I am hable to make that I can shewe it you in Ciprian as I haue sayd Sauer I wil lay non other wager with you but booke for booke it is not so Phil. I agre therto and I pray you one of my lordes chaplaynes to set vs Cipriane hyther for the triall herof And with that one of thē went to my lordes studie brought furth Cipriā And by by he turned to the fyrst booke of his epistles the .4 epistle and there woulde haue semed to haue gathered a strong
before the lordes of the Quenes maiesties councel prudentlye and to take hede what I sayde And thus he pretēded to gyue me coūcel because he wysshed me to do well as I might nowe do yf I list And after the lordes other worshypfull gentelmen of the Quenes maiesties seruauntes were seit my lorde of London placed hymselfe at th end of the table and called me to hym And by the lordes I was placed at the vpperend agaynst hym where I kneling downe the lordes commaunded me to stād vp and after in this maner the bishop beganne to speake London Master Phylpot I haue hertofore both priuatlye my selfe and openlye before my lordes of the cleargye mo tymes then once cauled you to be talked withall to reforme you of your errours but I haue not foūd you yet so tractable as I would wysshe Wherfore now I haue desired these honorable lordes of the tēporaltie of the Quenes Maiesties coūcel who haue takē paynes with me this daye I thāke thē therfore to heare you what you cā saye that they maye be Iudges whether I haue sought all meanes to do you good or no. And I dare be bold to saye in their behalfe that yf you shew your selfe cōformable to the Quenes maiesties proceadinges you shall finde as muche fauour for your deliueraūce as you cā wisshe I speake not this to fawne vpon you but to bring you home into the churche Nowe let them heare what you haue to saye phil My lord I thāke God of this daye that I haue suche an honorable audience to declare my minde before And I can not but commende your lordships equitie in this behalfe which agreeth with the ordre of the primatiue churche which was yf any body had bē suspected of heresie as I am nowe he should be called before the Archbishop or bishop of the diocese wher he was suspected in the presēs of others his felowships learned elders in the hearing of the laytie where after the iudgemēt of Goddes worde declared with the assēt of other bishops cōsent of the people he was cōdēpned for an heretike or absolued And the secōd poynt of the good ordre I haue founde at your lordships handes already now haue the third fort of men at whose handes I trust to fynd more righteousnes in my cause then I haue foūde with my lordes of the clergie God graūt I may haue at last the iudgemēt of Goddes worde cōcerning the same London Master Philpot I praye you er you go any further tell my lordes here plaīly whether you were by me or by my procuremēt cōmitted to prison or not And whether I haue shewed you any crueltie sythē you haue ben committed to my prison phil Yf yt shall please your lordship to gyue me leaue to declare furth my mater I wil touche that afterward Riche Answere fyrst of all to my lordes two questiōs thē furth procede to the mater Howe saye you were you imprisoned by my lorde or no cā you finde any faulte since with his cruell vsing of you phil I cā not laye to my lordes charge the cause of my imprisonment neither I maye saye that he hath vsed me cruellye But rather for my parte I might saye that I haue founde more gentlenes at his lordships handes then I did at mine owne ordinaries for the tyme I haue bē within his prison for that he hath called me thre or foure tymes to myne answere the which I was not twelue monethe and a halfe before Kyche Wel now go furth to your mater Phil. The materis that I am imprisoned for the disputacion had by me in the conuocaciō house agayne the sacramēt of the altar which mater was not moued principally by me but by the prolocutor with the consent of the Quenes maiestie and of the holl house And the house being a membre of the parliamēt house ought to be a place of fre speche for al mē of the house by the auncient laudable custome of this realme Wherfore I thinke my selfe to haue sustayned hytherto greate iniurie for speaking my conscience frely in suche place as I might laufully do it And I desire your honorable lordships iudgemēts which be of the pliamēt house whether of right I ought to be empeched therfore sustain the losse of my liuīg as I haue done morouer of my life as it is sought Ryche You are deceyued herin for the conuocacion house is no part of the parliament house Phil. My lorde I haue alwayes vnderstanded the contrarie by suche as are more expert men in thinges of this real me then I. And agayne the title of euery acte leadeth me to thinke otherwise which alledgeth the agrement of the spiritualtie tēporaltie assembled together Ryche Yea that is mēt of the spirituall lordes of the vpper house wynsor In dede the conuocation house is called together by one wryt of the sōmons of the parliament of an olde custome notwithstandyng that house is no parte of the parliament house phil My lordes I muste be contented to abyde your iudgementes in this behalfe Ryche We haue tolde you the truthe Mary yet we would not that you should be troubled for any thyng that there was spoken so that you hauyng spokē amisse do declare nowe that you are sorye therfore London My lordes he hath spokē there manifest heresie yea and there stoutly mayntayned the same against the blessed sacrament of the alter and with that he put of his cap that al the lordes myght reuerence and vayle their bonets at that ydol as they dyd And would not alowe the real presence of the bodye an blood of Christ in the same Yet my lordes God forbid that I should go about to shewe him extremitie For so doyng in case he wil repent and reuoke his wicked sayenges And in fayth yf he wyl so do with your lordships consent he shal be released by and by Mary yf he wyl not he shal loke for the extremitie of the lawe and that shortly Chamber My lorde of London speaketh reasonably vnto you take it whiles it is offred you Ryche How saye you wil you acknowlage the real presente of the blood and bodye of Christ as al the learned men of this realme do in the masse and as I do and wyl beleue as long as I lyue I do protest it Phil. My lorde I do acknowlege in the sacrament of the bodye bloud of Christ suche a presence as the worde of God dothe alowe and reache me Ryche That shal be none otherwyse then you lyst Lond. A sacramēt is the signe of a holy thyng So that ther is bothe the signe which is the accidens as the whitnes roundnes and shape of bread and theris also the thing it selfe as very Christ bothe God and man But these heretikes wil haue the sacramētes to be but bare signes Howe say you declare vnto my lordes here whether you do alowe the thing it selfe in the sacramēt or no Phil. I do confesse
the sacrament bothe to be a signe and the thing it selfe when it is duely ministred after the institution of Christ London You maye se howe he goeth about the bushe as he hath done before with my lordes of the clergie and dare not vtter his mynde playnly Ryche Shewe vs what maner of presence you alowe in the sacrament Phil. Yf it shal please you my lorde of London to geue my leaue to procede orderly therunto and to let me declare my mynde wtout interruption I wil throughly open my mynde therin L. Shand. I pray you my lorde let him speake his mynde Phil. My lordes that at the first I haue not playnly declared my iudgement vnto you is this bicause I can not speake herof without the daunger of my lyfe Ryche Ther is none of vs here that seketh thy lyfe or meane to take any auauntage of that thou shalt speake Phil. Although I mistrust not your honourable lordshippes that be here of the temporaltie yet here is one that fytteth against me appointing to my lorde of London that wil laye it to my charge euen to the death Notwithstandyng seyng your honours do require me to declare my mynde of the presence of Christ in the sacrament that ye maye perceyue that I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ neither do mayntayne any opinion without probable and sufficient autoritie of the scripture I wil shewe frankly my mynde without al colour what so euer shal ensewe vnto me therfore so that my lorde of London wyll not let me to vtter my mynde Ryche My lorde permit hym to saye what he can seyng he is willyng to shewe his mynde London I am cōtent my lordes let him saye what he can I wil heare him Phil. That which I do entend to speake vnto you right honourable lordes I do protest here first before God his Angels that I speake it not neither of vain-glorie neither of singularitie neither of wilful stubburnes but truly vpō a good conscience groūded on goddes worde against that which I dare not do for feare of dampnaciō which wil folowe that is done contrary to knowledge Neither do I disagre to the procedinges of this realme in religion for that I loue not the Quene whō I loue frō the bottō of my hart but because I ought to loue feare God in his worde more then man in his lawes Though I stande as I seme to do in this consideration and for none other By what thinges the cleargie deceaueth the hole realme as God I cal to witnesse There be two thinges principally by the which the cleargie at this daye dothe deceyue the hole realme That is the sacrament of the body and bloud of Christ and the name of the catholike churche the which bothe they do vsurpe hauing in dede none of them bothe And as touching their sacrament whych they terme of the Altar I saye nowe as I sayd in the conuocacion house that it is not the sacrament of Christ neither in the same is ther any maner of Christes presence Wherfore they deceyue the Quenes maiestie and you of the nobilitie of this realme in making you to beleue that to be a sacrament which is none and cause you to commit manifest idolatrie inworshippyng that for God which ys no God And in testimony of thys to be true besydes manifest profe which I am hable to make to the Quenes maiestie and to al you of her nobilitie I wil yelde my lyfe The which to do yf yt were not vpō a sure grounde yt were to my vtter dāpnacion Note And where they take on them the name of the catholike churche wherby they blynde many folkes eyes they ar nothyng so callyng you frō the true religion which was reueled taught in kyng Edwardes tyme vnto vayne supersticiō And this I wil saye for the trial hereof that yf they can proue them selues to be the catholyke churche as they shal neuer be hable to do I wil neuer be against their doynges but reuoke al that I haue sayd And I shal desyre you my lordes to be meane for me to the Quenes maiestie that I maye be brought to the iust trial herof Yea I wil not refuse to stande agaynst tenne of the best of them in this realme And yf they be hable to proue that otherwyse then I haue sayd eyther by writyng or by reasonyng with good lawful authoritie I wil here promise to recant what so euer I haue sayd and to consent to them in al pointes And in the declaration of these thinges more at large which nowe I wryte in somme the bishop of London eftsones would haue interrupt me but the lordes procured me lybertie to make out my tale to the great grefe of my lorde bishop of London as it appeared by his dumpes he was in London It hath ben tolde me before that you loue to make a long tale Ryche All heretikes do boast of the spirite of God And euery one would haue a churche by him self as Iohn of Kent and the Anabaptistes I had my selfe Iohn of Kent a seuen nyght in my house after the wrytte was out for her to be burnt where my lorde of Cantorburye and bishop Rydley resorted almost daylye vnto her but she was so hyghe in the spirite that they could do nothyng with hir for al their lernyng But she went wilfullye vnto the fier was burnt so do you nowe Phil. As for Iohn of Kent she was a vayne woman I knewe her wel and an heretike in dede wel worthy to be burnt because she stode against one of the manifest artikles of our fayth contrarye to the scripture And suche vayne spirites be sone knowen from the true spirite of God and his churche for that the same abydeth within the lymittes of Goddes worde and wyll not go out of the same neither stubburnly mayntayne any thing contrarye to the worde as I haue Goddes worde throughly on my syde to shewe for that I stande in London I praye you howe wil you ioyne me these two scriptures together Pater maior me est Et pater ego vnum sumus I must interprete the same bycause my lordes here vnderstande no latyne that is to saye the father is greater thē I and I and the father are one But I crie you mercie my lordes I haue mispoken in sayng you vnderstande no latyne for the most parte of you vnderstande latyne as wel as I. But I spake in cōsideraciō of my lorde Shandois and maister Brydges hys brother whom I take to be no great latine men Now shew you your connyng and ioyne these twayne scriptures by the worde yf you can Phil. Yes that I can ryght well For we must vnderstand that in Christ there be two natures the diuinitie and humanitie And in respecte of his humanitie it is spoken of Christ the father is greater then I. But in respect of his deitie he sayd agayne the father and I be one London But what scripture haue you
Phil. Yes I haue sufficient scripture for the profe of that I haue sayd For the fyrst it is writteÌ„ of Christ in the psalmes Diminuisti cum Paulominus ab angelis Thou hast made hym a litel lesser then angelles It is the fyfteÌ„ spalme begynning Celi enarrant And there I misrekened wherwithall my lorde toke me London It is in Domine Dominus noster Ye maye see my lordes how well this man is vsed to saye his matyns Phil. Though I say not matyns in suche order as your lordship meaneth yet I remember of olde that Domine Dominus noster Celi enarrant be not far a suÌ„dre And albeit I misnamed the spalme it is no ê“iudice to the truth of that I haue proued London What saye you then to the seconde scripture how couple you that by the worde to the other Phil. The text it selfe declareth that not withstaÌ„ding Christ did abase hym selfe in our humain nature yet is he stil one in deitie with the father And this S. Paule to the Hebrues doth more at large set furthe And as I haue by the scriptures ioyned these two scriptures together so am I hable to do in al other articles of fayth which we ought to beleue by the manifest worde of God to expounde them London How can that be seyng S. Paule sayth that the letter kylleth but it is the spirit that gyueth life Phil. S Paule meaneth not that the worde of God written in it selfe kylleth which ys the word of lyfe and the faythful testimony of the Lorde But that the worde ys vnprofitable and kylleth him that is voyde of the spirite of God although he be the wysest man of the worlde And therfore S. Paule sayed that the gospel to some was a fauour of lyfe vnto lyfe and to some other a sauour of death vnto death Also an example herof we haue in the syxt of Iohn who hearing the worde of God without the spirite were offended therby Wherfore Christ sayd the fleshe profiteth nothing it is the spirite that quickneth London What do you vnderstaÌ„d that of S. Paule and of S. Iohn so Phil. Yt is not myne owne interpretacion it is agreable to the worde in other places And I haue learned the same of auncieÌ„t fathers interpreting it likewise And to the Corinthians it is written Animalis homo non percipit ea que sunt spiritus Dei Spiritualis dijudicaâ— omnia The natural man perceyueth not the thinges that be of the spirite of God But the spiritual man which is indued with the spirite iudgeth al thinges London You se my lordes that this maÌ„ will haue but his owne minde and wil wilfully cast away him selfe I am sory for hym Phil. The wordes that I haue spoken be not of myne but of the gospel wheron I ought to stand And yf you my lorde of London can bring better auctoritie for the fayth you woulde drawe me vnto then that which I stande vpon I will gladlye heare the same by you or by any other in this realme Wherfore I kneling downe besought the lordes to be good vnto me a poore gentlemaÌ„ that would fayne lyue in the world yf I might to testifie as you haue heard me to saye this daye that yf any man can approue that I ought to be of any other manner of fayth then that which I now am and can proue the same sufficientlye I wil be neither willfull neyther desperat as my lorde of london would make you beleue me to be Ryche What contreiman be you are you of me Phylpots of Hampshere Phil. Yea my lord I was syr Peter Philpots sonne of Hampshere Ryche He is my nere kinseman wherfore I am the more sorie for hym phil I thanke your lordship that it pleased you to chalenge kinred of a pore prisoner Ryche In faith I would go a hundreth miles on my bare fete to do you good Chamber He maye do wel ynough yf he list S. Iohn Master Philpot you are my contreiman and I would be glad you should do well Riche You sayd euen now that you would desyre to mayntayne your belef before ten of the best of this realme You did not wel to compare with the nobilitie of the realme But what yf you haue ten of the best of the realme to heare you wil you be tried by theÌ„ Phil. My lorde your lordship mistaketh me to thinke that I chalenge ten of the best of the nobilitie in this realme it was no part of my mynd But I ment of the best learned on the contrarie syde Ryche Wel I take your meaniÌ„g What yf meanes be made to the Quenes maiestie that you shall haue your request Wil you be iudged by them Phil. My lord it is not mete that a maÌ„ should be iudged by his aduersaries Ryche By whom then woulde you be iudged phil I will make your honors iudges that shal be hearers of vs. Ryche I dare be bould to procure for you of the Quenes maiestie that you shall haue ten learned men to reason with you and twentye or fourtie of the nobilitie to heare so you will ê“mise to abide their iudgement How saye you wil you promise here afore my lordes so to do Phil. I wil be contented to be iudged by them Ryche Yea but you will not ê“mise to agree to their iudgement Phil. There be causes whye I maye not so do onles I were sure they would iudge according to the worde of God Ryche O I perceyue you wil haue no man iudge but your selfe and thinke your selfe wyser then all the learned men of this realme phil My lorde I seke not to be myne owne iudge but am content to be iudged by other so that the ordre of iudgement in maters of religion be kepte that was in the primatiue churche whyche is fyrst that Goddes will by his worde was sought thervnto bothe the spiritualtie and temporaltye gathered together gaue their consents and iudgement And suche kynde of iudgement I wil stande to London My lordes he would make you beleue that he were profoundly sene in auncient writers of the iudgementes of the primatiue churche and ther was neuer no suche maner of iudgement vsed as he nowe talketh of Phil. In the epistles of S. Ciprian I am hable to shewe it you London A I tel you there is no suche thing fet me Cyprian hither Phil. You shal fynde it otherwyse when the boke commeth And doctor Chadsey his chapleyne whome he appointed to fet his boke whistered the bishop in his eare and fet not the boke by lyklyhode that he should haue susteyned the reproche therof yf the boke had ben fette Wel my lorde ê™ I maister doctor knoweth it is so or elles he would haue fet the boke ere this Ryche You would haue non other iudge I see but the worde Phil. Yeas my lorde I wyl be tried by the worde and by suche as wil iudge according to the worde As for an exaÌ„ple yf ther were a controuersy betwyxt your lordship and an
other vpon the wordes of a statute must not the wordes of the statute iudge and determine the controuersye Ryche No mary the iudges of the lawe maye determine the meaning therof London He hath brought as good example against him self as caÌ„ be And here the bishop thought he had good haÌ„d fast against me and therfore enlarged it with many wordes to the iudgemeÌ„t of the churche The lordes He hath ouerthrowen him selfe by his owne argument Phil. My lordes it semeth to your honores that you haue great aduauntage of me by the example I brought in to expresse my cause but yf it be pondered throughly it maketh holly with me and nothing against me as my lorde of London hath preteÌ„ded For I wil aske of my lorde Ryche here whom I knowe to haue good knowledge in the lawes and statutes of this realme Albeit a iudge may decerne the meaning of a statute agreable to the wordes whether the same may iudge a meaning coÌ„trary to the expresse wordes or no Ryce He can not so do phil Euen so saye I that no man ought to iudge the worde of God to haue a meanyng contrarye to the expresse wordes therof as this false churche of Rome dothe in many thinges And with this the lordes semed to be satisfyed made no further replicacion herin Ryche I maruel theÌ„ why you do deny the expresse wordes of Christ in the sacrament sayeng this is my body yet you wil not sticke to saye it is not his body Is not God omnipotent And is not he hable aswel by his omnipoteÌ„cy to make it his body as he was to make man fleshe of a pece of claye did not he saye this is my body which shal be betrayed for you and was not his verye body betrayed for vs therfore it must nedes be his bodye London My lorde Ryche you haue said wonderful wel and lernedly But you myght haue begon with him before also in the sixt of IohnÌ„ where Christ promised to gyue his body in the sacrament of the altare sayeng panis quem â—go dabo caro mea est The breade which I wil gyue is my fleshe Howe can you answere to that Phil. If it please you to gyue me leaue to answere fyrst my lorde Ryche I wil also answere the obiection Ryche Answere my lorde of London first and after come to me phil My lorde of London may be sone answered that the sayeng of S. IohnÌ„ is that the humanitie of Christ which he toke on him for the redemption of man is the bread of lyfe wherby our bodyes and soules be susteyned to eternal lyfe of the which the sacramentall bread is a lyuely representacion and an effectuall cohabitatioÌ„ to al suche as beleue on his passion and as Christ sayeth in the same syxte of IohnÌ„ I am the bread that came from heauen but yet he is not material neither natural breade Lykewyse the bread is his fleshe not natural or substanciall but by signification and by grace in a sacrament And nowe to my lorde Ryches argument I do not deny the expresse wordes of Christ in the sacrament this is my bodye But I denye that they are naturally and corporally to be taken but sacramentally and spiritually according to the expresse declaracion of Christ sayeng that the wordes of the sacrament which the Capernaites toke carnally as the Papistes nowe do ought to be taken spiritually and not carnally as they falsely ymagine not wayeng what interpretacion Christ hathe made in this behalfe Neither folowe the institution of Christ nether the vse of the Apostles and of the primatiue churche who neuer taught neither declared no such carnal maner of preseÌ„ce as is nowe exacted of vs violently with out any grounde of scripture or antiquitie who vsed to put out of the church al suche as dyd not receaue the sacrament with the rest also to burne that which was left after the receyuyng as by the Canon of the Apostles and by the decre of the counsel of Antioche London No that is not so they were only Cathecumeni which went out of the churche at the celebration of the coÌ„munion and none other Phil. It was not only of suche as were Nouices in fayth but al others that did not receyue London What saye you to the omnipotency of God is not he hable to performe that which he spake as my lord Ryche hath very wel sayd I tel thee that God by his omnipotency maye make hym selfe to be this carpet yf he will Phil. As concerning the omnipotency of God I saye that God is hable to do as the prophet Dauid fayeth what so euer he willeth But he willeth nothing that is not agreable to his worde as that is blasphemy which my lorde of LoÌ„don hath spoken that God may become a carpet For as I haue learned of auncient wryters Non potest Deus facere quae suÌ„t naturae suae contraria That is God can not do that which is contrary to his nature as it is contrary to the nature of God to be a carpet A carpet is a creature God is the creator and the creator can not be the creature wherfore onles you can declare by the worde that Christ is otherwyse present with vs then spiritually and sacramentally by grace as he hath taught vs you pretende the omnipotency of God in vayne London Why will you not saye that Christ is really present in the sacrament or do you denye it Phil. I denye not that Christ is really in the sacrament to the receauer therof according to Christes institution London What meane you by really present Phil. I meane by really present present in dede London Is God really present euerywhere phil He is so London Howe proue you that phil The prophet Esay sayeth that God filleth all places and where so euer be two or thre gathered together in Christes name there is he in the middest of them London What his humanitie Phil. No my Lorde I meane the Deitie according to that you demaunded Ryche My lorde of LondoÌ„ I pray you let maister doctor Chedsey reason with him and let vs see how he can answer him for I tel thee he is a learned man in dede one that I do credit before a great many of you whose doctrine the Quenes maiestie and the hole realme dothe wel alowe therfore heare him London My lordes I praye you wil it please you to drinke You haue talked a great whyle and muche talke is thrustye I wyl leaue maister doctor and him reasoning together a whyle with your leaue wyl come to you by and by agayne They went as I suppose to make rowme for more drinke after the lordes had dronke Riche My lorde Ryche sayd to the lordes I praye you let the poore man drinke for he is thristy And with that he called for a cup of drynke and gaue it me and I dranke before them all God requite it him for I was athirst in dede Afterwardes doctor Chadsey began in this wyse
waies and let his keper take him away Thus endeth the .vij. parte of this tragedie The next daye in the morning bytyme the bishop sent one of his men vnto me to call me vp vnto his chappel to heare masse The bishops mā MAister Philpot wher be you Phil. Who is that calleth me B. man My lordes wil is you should ryse and come to heare masse Wil you come o no ▪ phil My stomake is not very good this morning you may tell my lord I am sicke After this the keper was sent to bring me to my lorde The keper Master Philpot you must ryse and come to my lorde Phil. I am at your cōmaundemēt master keper as sone as I can and goyng out of the prisone he asked me sayeng The keper Wil you go to masse phil My stomake is to rawe to disgest suche rawe meates of fleshe bloud and bone this morning After this my keper presented me to the bishop in his hall London Master Philpot I charge you to answere to suche articles as my chaplayne master Dee and my regester haue from me to obiecte against you go and answere them phil My lord Omnia iudicia debent esse publica Aliudgementes ought to be publike Therfore yf your lordship hath any thing to charge me lawfully withall let me be in iudgement lawfully and openly called and I wil answere according to my dewtie otherwise in corners I wil not London Thou art a folishe knaue I see wel Inough Thou shalt answere whether thou wilt or no go thy waies with them I saye Phil. I may wel goo with them at your lordships pleasure but I wil make thē no further answere then I haue sayd already London No wilt thou knaue Haue him away and set him in the stockes what folishe knaue Phil. In dede my lorde you handle me with others lyke foles and we must be cōtent to be made foles at your hādes stockes and violence is your byshoplyke almose You go about by force in corners to oppresse be ashamed that your doinges should cum to lyght God shortē your cruel kingdome for his mercyes sake And I was put by by into the stockes in an house alone seperate from my felowes God be praysed that he hath thought me worthy to suffer any thing for his names sake better it is to syt in the stocks of this world then to sytt in the stockes of a damnable conscience Marke here the proceding Ex officio The next daye after an houre before day the bishop sent for me agayne by the keper Keper MAster Philpot aryse you must come to my lord phil I wonder what my lord meaneth that he sendeth for me thus early I feare he will vse some vyolēce towardes me wherfore I praye you make him this answere that yf he sende for me by an order of lawe I will come and answere otherwise synce I am not of his diocese neyther he is myne ordinarie I wil not without I be vyolently constrayned come vnto him Keper I will goo tell my lord what answere you make and so he went away to the bishop and immediatly returned with two of the bishops men sayeng that I must come whether I would or no. Phil. If by violence any of you wil enforce me to goo then must I goo other wise I wil not and therwith one of thē toke me with force by the arme and led me vp vnto the bishoppes galerye Lond. What thou arte afolyshe knaue in dede thou wilt not come without thou be fett Phil. I am brought in dede my lorde by violence vnto you and your crueltye is such that I am afrayd to come before you I would your lordship would gētlie procede agaynst me by the lawe London I am blamed of the lords the bishopes for that I haue not dispatched thee er this And in faith I made sute to my lorde cardinal to al the conuocacion house that they would hear ye. And my lorde of Lincolne stode vp sayd that thou wert a frantike felowe a man that would haue the last word And they all haue blamed me because I haue brought the so often before the lordes openly and they saye it is meat and drinke to you to speake in an audience you glorye so of your selfe Wherfore I am commaunded to take a farther order with thee And in good faythe yf thou wilte not relent I will make no farther delaye Mary yf thou wilt be conformable I wil yet forgeue thee all that is paste And shalt haue no hurte for any thing that is alreadye sayd or done Phil. My lorde I haue answered you al ready in this behalfe what I wil do And as for the reporte of maister whyte bishop of Lincoln̄ I passe not who is knowē to be myne enemy for that I beyng archdeacon dyd excōmunicate him for preaching naughty doctrine If Christ my master were called a madde mā it is no maruel though you count me frātyke London Haddest not thou a pygge brought thee thother daye with a knyfe in it Wherfore was it I praye thee but to kyl thy selfe Or as it is told me mary and I am coūcelled to take hede of the to kyl me but I fear the not I trowe I am able to tread the vnder my fote do the best thou canst Phil. My lorde I can not denye that there was a knyfe in the prgges belye that was brought me But who put him in or for what purpose I knowe not onles it were bicause he that sent the meat thought I was without a knyfe so put him in But other thinges your lordship nedeth not to feare for I was neuer without a knyfe synce I came into prison And touching your owne person you should lyue long yf you should lyue vntyl I would go about to kyl you And I confesse by violence your lordship is hable to ouercōme me London I charge the answer to myne articles Hold him a boke Thou shalt sweare to answere truly to al such articles as I shal demaunde thee of Phil. I wil first knowe your lordship to be myne ordinarie before I sweare herin London What we shal haue an Anabaptist of thee which thinketh it not lawfull to sweare before a Iudge Phil. My lorde I am no Anabaptist I thinke it lawful to sweare before a cōpetent Iudge beyng lawfully required But I refuse to sweare in these causes before your lordship bicause you are not myne ordinarie London I am thyne ordinarie here do pronounce by sentence interrogatory that I am thyne ordinarie and that thou art of my dioces and here he bad cal in mo to beare witnes And I make thee taking one of his seruaūtes by the arme to be my notary And nowe harkē to my articles to the which whē he had red them he monished me to make answer And said to the keper fet me his felowes I wil make thē to be witnes against him In the meane while cam in one of the sherifs of Lōdō whō
the place that is ê“uided for him Go your waye before And he folowed me calling that keper asyde coÌ„mauÌ„ding to kepe al men froÌ„ me narowly to serche me as the sequel dyd declare brought me to his priuy dore that goeth into the churche and commaunded two of his men to accompany the keper and to see me placed And afterwardes I passed through Paules vp to the lollards tower afterward turned along al the west syde of Paules through the wall and passing through sixe or seueÌ„ dores came to my lodging through many straites where I call to remembrauÌ„ce that straite is the waye to heauen And it is in a tower ryght on the other syde of lollardes tower as highe almost as the battlements of Paules eight foot bredth and thyrten of length And all most ouer the prison where I was before hauing a wyndo opening towards the East by the which I may loke ouer the toppes of a great many of houses but se no maÌ„ passing into theÌ„ And who so walketh in the bishops vtter galery going to his chapel may see my windo me staÌ„ding in the same as I was come to my place the keper pluckt of my gowne searched me very narowly toke away peÌ„nar inkhorne gyrdel knyffe but as God would I had an ynkeling a litle before I was called of my remouing and therupon made an errant to the stole where ful sore agaynst my wil I cast away many a swete letter frendly but that I had writteÌ„ of my last examinacion before I thrust into my hose thinking the next daye to haue made and ende therof with going it was falleÌ„ downe to my legge the which he by feling dyd sone espye asked what that was I sayd they were certaine letters And with that he was very busie to haue theÌ„ out Let me alone sayd I I will plucke them out And with that I put in my hand hauing twoo other letters therin and brought vp the same writing to my codpece and ther left it geuing him the other two letters that were not of any great importauÌ„ce The which for to make a shewe that they had ben wayghtie I beganne to teare as wel as I could tyl they snatched theÌ„ from me and so deluded him I thanke God of his purpose After this he went his waie as he was goyng one of theÌ„ that came with him sayd that I did not deliuer that writinges I had in my hose but two other letters I had in my haÌ„d before No dyd ê™ he I wil go searche him better that which I hearing coÌ„uaied mine examinacioÌ„ I had writteÌ„ into an other place besydes my bed and toke al the letters I had in my purse and was tearing of them when he came againe and as he came I threwe the same out of the windo sayeng that I heard what he sayd Wherfore I did preuent his searching agayne wherof I was right glad God be praysed that gaue me that present shyft to blind their eies from the knowledge of my writinges the which yf they had knowen it would haue ben a great occasion of more straiter keping and loking vnto although they loke as narrowly as they may The next day after my keper came before day in the morning to cal me downe so was brought downe into his wardrobe wher with a keper I was lefte and there contynued al the day But after dyner I was called downe into the chapell before the bishop of London The bishop of S. Dauid M. MordauÌ„t one of the Quenes councell master archdeacon of London and before a great meany mo Balamits the bishop spake vnto me in this wise SYr here I obiect and lay vnto you in the presence of my lord of S. Dauids and of maister MordauÌ„t and of these worship full men· these artycles here in this Libel contayned and openly red them to whom when I would partycularly haue answered to some of his blasphemies he would not permit me but sayd I should haue leasure ynough to saye what I would wheÌ„ he had sayd and to these here I adde an other shedel Also I require the to answere to the cathechisme sett furth in the scysmaticall tyme of king Edward Also I wil the to answer to certayn coÌ„clusions agreed vpon both in Oxforde and Cambryge And I here do bring furthe these wytnesses agaynst thee in thy owne presence namely my lorde of S. Dauids master MordauÌ„t master Harpesfeld with as many of you as were present in the disputacion he made in the conuocacion house willing you to testifie of your othes taken vpon a boke his stubburne and vnreuereÌ„t behaueour he did there vse agaynst the blessed sacrament of the altare gyue me a boke and receyuing one he opened the same sayeng I will teache him here one tricke in our lawe which he knoweth not that is My lord of S. Dauids because you are a B you haue this priuilege that you maye sweare Inspectis euangelijs non tactis by loking on the gospel boke without touching the same And so he opened the boke in his sight and shut it agayne and caused the other to put theyr handes on the boke and toke their othe And wylled them to resort to his regester to make theyr deposicions wheÌ„ they might be best at leasure And afterwards he turned to me sayd Nowe syr shal you answer but in two wordes whether you wil answer to these articles which I haue layd vnto you directly yea or nay phil My lord you haue told a long tale against me contayning many lieng blasphemies which can not be answered in two wordes besides this you promysed me at the beginning that I should say what I could for my defence And nowe wil you not gyue me leaue to speake What lawe is this London Speake yea or nay For you shall say no more at this tyme the cause was as I gesse that he sawe so many there gathered to hear Phil. Then my two words you wold haue me speake shal be that I haue appealed from you and take you not for my sufficient iudge London In dede master MordauÌ„t he hath appealed to the king and to the Quene but I will be so bold with hir maiestie to stay that appeale in myn owne handes phil You wil doo what you list my lord you haue the lawe in your handes London Wilt thou aswere or no Phil. I wil not answere otherwise theÌ„ I haue sayd London Regester note his answere that he maketh Lond Knocke him in the heade with an hatchet or set vp a stake and burne me out of haÌ„d without farther lawe aswel you may do so as do that you doo for al is without order of lawe Suche tyranny was neuer seen as you vse nowe a dayes God of his mercy destroy your cruell kingdome And whiles I spake this the bishop went away in haste S. Dauid Master Philpot I pray you be quiet and haue pacyence with you Phil. My lord I
haue in hast scribled out all myne examinacioÌ„ hitherto that the same which hath ben done vnto me in darke might come to light and that the papistes vniust ê“cedinges and nakednes in theyr false religion might be knowen to their confusion AMEM. Iesus is God with vs Amen 1555. The examination of IohnÌ„ Philpot had on S. Andrewes day last before the bishop of Duresme the B. of Chichester the bishop of Bathe the bishop of London the Prolocutor master Christoforson Doctor Chadsey D. Morgan of Oxforde master Hussey of the Arches D. weston D. Harpsfild Archdeacon master Cosins and master IohnÌ„son regester to the bishop of London in his palace I Was coÌ„ming being sent for with my keper and the bishop of LoÌ„don met me at his hal dore and full manerly he played the geÌ„tilmaÌ„ 〈◊〉 to bring me before the lordes sayeÌ„g London My lordes I shall desire you to take some paynes with this man he is a gentilman and I would be should do wel but he wil wilfully cast away him selfe Duresme Come hither syr what is your name phil My name is Philpot. Duresme I haue heard of that name to be a worshipfull stocke and synce you be a gentilman do as you may lyue worshipfully among other gentilmeÌ„ what is the cause of your troble now phil I told him the cause as in my former examinacions is expressed Duresme Well al causes set apart will you nowe be a conformable man to the catholike fayth and leaue al new fangled opinions and heresies I wis I was in Germany with Luter at the beginning of this and can tell howe they began Leaue them and folowe the catholike churche through out the world as the hole realme nowe doth Phil. My lord I am of the catholike fayth and desire to lyue and die in the same But it is not vnknoweÌ„ to your lordship that I with others these twenty yeres haue ben taught an other maner of fayth than you nowe go about to compell vs vnto Wherfore it is requisite that we haue a tyme to waigh the same and to heare howe it agreeth with Goddes worde For fayth is not at a soden nether won nether remoued but as S. Paule sayth fayth coÌ„meth by hearing heariÌ„g by the word Fides ex auâ—iuâ— auditus per verbum Chiche And if you wil geue m leaue my lord I wil shewe him howe he taketh the sayeng of S Paul amisse as many other now of dayes allegeing the same do that they ought not be coÌ„pelled to beleue where as S. Paul meaneth of infideles and not of the faythfull And so S. Austin writing against the Donatistes sayth that the faythfull may be compelled to beleue phil S. Barnard and it please your lordship doth take that sense of S. Paul as I do sayeng that Fides est suadenda non imponenda fayth must be persuaded to a man and not enioyned And S. Austin speaketh of suche as were fyrst throughly persuaded by manifest scriptures yet would resyst of stubburn wilfulnes Chichest So Bernard meaneth of infidels also phil No my lord that he doth not for he writeth not of the infideles for he writeth of such as were deceyued by errours Chichest My lord of Duresme I haue ben so bold to interrupt your lordship of your tale I pray you now ê“cede on Duresme M. Philpot wil you be of the same catholike fayth churche with vs you wer baptized in and your godfathers ê“mised for you and hold as we do and then may you be rydd out of trouble I perceyue you are lerned and it is pitie but you should do wel phil I am of the same catholike fayth catholicke church I was baptized vnto and in that will I liue and dye Duresme That is wel sayd yf you hold ther you can not do but well Chichest Yea my lord but he meaneth otherwise than you do Are you of the same fayth your godfathers and godmothers were or no Phil. I can not tel what fayth they were of certaynly but I am of the fayth I was baptized vnto which is in the fayth of Christ for I was not baptized in the faith of my godfathers but in the faith of christ Christo S. Austin sayth that infantes are baptized in fide susceptorum In the fayth of theyr godfathers Phil. S. Austin yet in so sayeng meaneth of the faith of Christ which the godfathers do or ought to beleue not otherwise Dures Howe say you wil you beleue as we do al the learned of the realme or no and be of one churche with vs My lordes it is not vnknoweÌ„ vnto you Phil. that ther hath ben alwayes two churches Chichest Nay that is not so there is but one catholike churche phil I shal desyre your lordships to heare out my tale and to take my meaniÌ„g for I know there is but one trewe churche but alwayes from the beginning ther hath ben ioyned to the same true churche a false churche aduersarye to the true and that was declared at the fyrst in Abel and Cayn who persecuted and slewe his brother in whom as S. Austine witnesseth is represented the false and true church And after that as sone as God had chosen his peculiar people and shewed vnto them his sanctuary holy statutes and wil anone after arose the false church ten of the .xij. tribes of Israel diuided theÌ„ selues from the true churche of Iuda and Beniamin and made to theÌ„ selues at Bethel and set vp golden calues and yet preteÌ„ded therwith to serue God so abused his worde No withstaÌ„ding God was displeased with them and ceassed not his wrathe vntil he had vtterly destroyed them Chichest I wil grauÌ„t you before the coÌ„ming of Christ ther were two churches in the olde lawe but in the newe lawe sence Christes coÌ„myng you can not shewe it to be so by the scripture phil Yes my lorde that I can yf you wil geue me leaue After Christ had chosen his twelue Apostles was ther not a Iudas in the newe lawe and a Symon Magus And were not they of the false churche Chichest Yea but I meane after the Gospel was written where can you fynde me two churches after Christ had ascended and sent the holy Goost phil The Gospell was within eyght yeres after the AscensioÌ„ written by S. Mathieu the wryting therof is not material to the declaration of these two churches to haue ben alwayes from tyme to tyme as by examples it maye be shewed And yet as euill as my memorie is I remeÌ„bre in the newe testameÌ„t is mencion made of two churches as it appeareth in the Apocalips and also S. Paule to the Thessalonians maketh mention that Antichrist with his false generacioÌ„ shal sit in the temple of God to the which Chichester replied not Duresme The church in the scripture is likned to a great fishers net which contayneth in it both good fishes and bad fyshes I truste you wil be of the better sorte and leane to the trueth phil My lorde it
vpper hande And in the Apocalyps you may se it was prophesied that the true church should be dryuen into corners and into wyldernes and suffer great persecution Morgan A are you seen in the Apocalyps ther is many strange thinges phil If I tell you the trueth which you are not hable to refel beleue it and daly not out so earnest maters Me thinke you are liker a scoffer in a play Morgan ryghtly painted out than a reasonable doctor to instruct a man you are bare arced and daunse naked in a net and yet you se not your owne nakednes Morgan What I pray you be not so quicke with me Let vs talke a lytle more coldly together phil I will talke with you as myldly as you can desyre if you wil speake learnedly and charytably But yf you goo about with tauntes to delude the truthe I will not hyde it from you Morgan Why will you not submit your iudgement to the learned men of this realme phil Bycause I see they can bring no good ground wher vpon I may with a good conscience settle my faythe more suerly then on that which I am now grounded by Goddes manifest word Morgan No do that is maruel that so many learned men should be deceaued phil It is no maruel by S. Paule for he sayth that not many wyse neither many learned after the world be called to the knowlage of the gospel Morgan Haue you thē alone the spirit of God and not we phil I say not that I alone haue the spirit of God but as many as abide in the true faith of Christ haue the spirit of God aswell as I. Morgan Howe know you that you haue the spirit of God Phil. By the fayth of Christ which is in me Morgan A by faith do you so I wene it be the spirit of the butterye which your felowes haue had that haue ben burned before you who were dronke the night before they went to theyr death I wene went dronken vnto it Phil. It appeareth by your communicacion that you are better acquainted with the spirit of the buttrye then with the spirite of God wherfore I must nowe tell the thou paynted wall and hypocryte in the name of the lyuing Lord whose truth I haue told the that God shal rayne fyer and brymstone vpon suche scorners of his word and blasphemers of his people as thou art Morgan What you rage now Phil. Thy folishe blasphemies haue compelled the spirite of God which is in me to speake that which I haue said vnto the thou enemy of all righteousnes Morgan Why do you iudge me so phil By thyne owne wicked wordes I iudge of the thou blind and blasphemous doctor for as it is written by thy wordes thou shalt be iustified and by thy wordes thou shalt be condempned I haue spoken on Goddes behalfe now haue I done with the. Morgan Why then I tell the Philpot that thou arte an heretyke and shalt be burnt for thy heresy afterwards goo to hell fyer phil I tell the thou hypocryte that I passe not this for thy fyer and fagots nether I thanke God my lord stand in feare of the same my faythe in christ shall ouercom them But the hell fyer which thou thretnest to me is thy porcyon and is prepared for thee oneles thou spedely repent and for such hypocrites as thou art Morgan What you speake vpō wyne thou hast typled well to day by lykelyhode phil So fayd the cursed generation to the Apostles being replenished with the holy gost and speaking the wonderous workes of God they sayd they were dronke whē they had nothing els to say as thou doest nowe Morgan Why I am hable to answere the ywis I trowe phil So it semeth with blasphemies lyes Morgan Nay euen with learning say what thou canst philpot That appeared well at my disputacion in the conuocation house where thou tokest vpon thee to answere those few argumentes I was permitted to make and yet wast not hable to answere one but in thyne answeres dyddest fomble and wonder that the hole house was ashamed of thee And thy fynall conclusion of all thyne answers was that thou couldest answere me yf I were in the scoles at Oxforde Morgan What dyd I so thou belyest me Phil. I do not belye the the boke of the report of the disputation beareth record therto and all that were present can tel yf they list thou saydest so And I tel thee playne thou arte not hable to answer the spirite of truthe which speaketh in me for the defence of Christes true religion I am hable by the myght ther of to dryue thee rounde about this galarie before me And yf it would please the Quenes maiestie and her counsell to heare thee me I would make thee for shame shrynke behynde the dore Morgan Yea would you so lo phil Thou hast the spirite of illusion sophisirie which is not hable to counteruayle the spirite of truthe Thou arte but an Asse in the true vnderstanding of thinges pertaynyng vnto God I cal the asse not in respecte of malice but in that thou kickest agaynst the truthe art voyde of all godly vnderstandyng not hable to answere to that thou bragest in Morgan Why haue I not answered thee in al thinges thou hast sayd vnto me I take them to recorde Phil. Aske of my felow whether I be a these Cosins Hearke he maketh vs al theues phil You knowe the phrase of that Prouerbe that like wil holde with lyke And I am sure you wil not iudge with me against him speake I neuer so true And in this sense I speake it the strongest answer that he hath made agaynst me is that you wil burne me Morgan Why we do not burne you it is the temporal mē that burne you and not we phil Thus you would as Pylate dyd washe your hādes of al your wicked doynges But I praye you inuocate seculare brachium Cal vpon the secular power to be executioners of your vnryghteous iudgementes And haue you not a rytle in your lawe De haeruicis comburendis for to burne heretikes Harpes I haue heard you both a good while reason together and I neuer heard so stoute an heretike as you are maister Philpot. Cosins Neither I in al my lyfe Phil. You are not hable to proue me an heretike by one iot of Goddes worde Harpes You haue the spirite of arrogācye I wil reason with you no more And so he was departing and M. Cosins also And with that the bishop and Christoforson came in agayne sayd London M. D. howe dothe this man and your agree Morg. My lorde I do aske him where his churche was fyfty yeares ago London Are you not halfe agreed as one man sayd ones to tway partes of whom the one was equally disagreyng from the other Crhisto My lorde it is but foly to reason with him any further your lordeship shal but lose tyme for he is incurable London Wel then let his keper haue hym
phil And I was had into the wardrobe agayne by my keper and within an howre after was sent for to come before him and the bishops of Worcester and Bangor Lond. Syr I haue talked with you many tymes and haue caused you to be talked with all of many learned men yea and honourable bothe temporall and spirituall and yet it auayleth nothing with you I am blamed that I haue brought thee afore so many for they say thou gloryest to haue many to talke withal Well nowe it lieth the vpon to loke to thy selfe for thy tyme drawith nere to an ende yf thou be not become conformable And at this present we are sent from the synod to offer you this grace that yf you wil come to the vnitie of the churche of Rome with vs and acknowledged the reall presence of Christ in the sacrament of the altare with vs all that is past shal be forgeuen and you receyued to fauour worcest M. Philpot we are sent as you here haue heard by my lord of Londō frō the synod to offer you mercye yf you wil receiue it And of good will I beare you I wishe you to take it whiles it is offred and be not a singular man agaynst a hole multytude of learned men which nowe in fasting and prayer are gathered together to ymagyne thinges to do you good There haue many learned men talked with you why should you thinke your selfe better learned thā them all be not of suche arrogauncy but haue humilitie and remembre ther is no saluacion but in the churche Bangor Me thinketh my lord hath sayde wonderfully well vnto you that you should not thinke your selfe so well learned but other men are as wel learned as you neither of so good wyt but other be as wise as you neyther of so good memory but other haue as good memory as you Therfore mystrust your owne iudgement and come home to vs agayne Iwis I neuer lyked your religion bicause it was set further by violence and tyranny The same token proueth your religion false and that is no token of true religion And I was that same maner of man then that I am nowe and a great meany mo Mary for fear we held our peace and bare with the tyme wherfore M. Philpot I would you did wel for I loue you and therfore be cōtent to come home with vs agayne into the catholyke churche of Rome Phil. Where my lorde as I maye begynne first to answere you that you say that religion is to be misliked which is set forth by tyrāny I pray God you giue not men occasion to thinke the same by yours at this daye which hath none other argument to stande by but violēce Yf you can shewe me by any good sufficient grounde wherby to grounde my conscience that the churche of Rome is the true catholike churche whervnto you cal me I wil gladly be of the same otherwise I can not sone chaūge the religiō I haue learned these many yeres Bangor Where was your religion I pray you a hundred yeres ago that any man knewe of it Phil. It was in Germany in diuers other places apparent worcest Iesus wil you be stil so singular a man what is Germany to the hole worlde London My lordes I praye you geue me leaue to tell you that I sent for him to hear masse this morning and wote you what excuse be made vnto me for soth that he was accursed cursed allegyng his owne shame He playeth as that varlet Latimer dyd at Cambrige Harke how fyne my lorde is in dogges eloquence If he had come to mass he had ben cursed in dede when the vice Chaunceler sent for him who entended to haue excommunicated him for some of his he resies and the chaunceler was commyng to his chamber which as sone as he herde that the chaunceler was come made answer that he was sicke of the plague and so deluded the chaūceler euen so this man sayeth he is accursed because he will not come to masse worcest My Lorde I am sure here dothe behaue him selfe lyke a father vnto you therfore be admonished by hym and by vs that come now frendly vnto you and folowe your fathers before you phil It is forbidden vs of God by the prophet Ezechiel to folow our fathers ▪ neither to walke in their cōmaūdemēts worcest It is written also in an other place interroga patres aske of your fathers phil We ought to aske in dede our fathers that haue more experiēce knowlage then we of Goddes will but nomore to allowe them then we perceaue they agree with the scriptures worcest You wil be a contentious mā I see well and S. Paule sayeth that we neither the church of God haue no suche custome Phil. I am not contentious but for the veritie of my fayth in the which I ought to contende with al suche as do impugne the same without any iust obiection worces Let vs ryse my lorde for I see we shal do no good London Nay I praye you tary hear the articles I laye to his charge and after he had recited them they arose and afterwarde standing they reasoned with me a whyle worces M. Philpot I am very sorye that you wil be so singular I neuer talked with non yet of my diocese but after once cōmunicatiō had with me they haue ben cōtēted to reuoke their errours to teache the people howe they were deceaued and so do muche good as you may yf you list For as I vnderstande you were archdiacon of winchester which is the eye of the B. you may do much good in the coūtrey yf you would forsake your errours come to the catholyke churche phil Wher withal you so sone persuaded them to your will I see not Erroure that I knowe I holde none and of the catholike churche I am sure I am worces The Catholike churche doth acknowlege a real presence of Christ in the sacrament and so wil not you phil That is not so For I acknowlage a very essensial presence in the sacramēt duely vsed worces What a real presence Phil. Yea a reall presens by the spirite of God in the ryght administracion worces That is wel sayd and do you agree with the catholike churche also Phil. I do agre with the true catholike churche worcest My lorde of London this mā speaketh reasonably nowe London You do agree in generalties But when it shal come to the particularities you wil farre disagree worces Wel kepe your selfe here and you shal haue other learned bishops to common farther with you as my lord of Duresme my lorde of Chichester whome I heare say you do lyke wel Phil. I do lyke them as I do all other that speaketh the truthe I haue once already spoken with them they foūde no fault with me worcest Praye in the meane season for grace to God Phil. Prayer is the comfortablest exercise I feale in my trouble and my conscience is quiet and I
haue the peace of mynde which can not be the frutes of heresye worces We wil byd you fare wel for this tyme. phil After dyner they called for me agayne and demaunded of me whether I ment as I spake before dyner not go from it to whom I answered that I would not go from that I had sayd worces You sayd at my departing from you before dyner that yf we dyd burne you we should burne a catholike mā Wil you be a catholike mā stande to the catholike churche Phil. I wil stande to the true catholike churche worces Wil you stande to the catholike churche of Rome phil Yf you can proue the same to be the catholike churche I wil be one therof worces Dyd not Christ saye vnto Peter and to all his successours of Rome Pasce oues meas pasce agnos meos Fede my shepe fede my lambes which doth signifye that he gaue hym more authoritie than the rest phil That sayeng pertayneth nothing to the autoritie of Petre aboue others but declareth what Christ requireth of his beloued Apostles that they should with all diligence preache to the flocke of Christ the way of saluacion and that doth the iterracion of feding spoken to Petre only signifie But the bishop of Rome lytle regardeth this spiritual feding and therfore he hath ymagined an easyer waye to make him selfe lord of the hole world yea and of Goddes word to and doth not fede Christes flocke as Petre dyd worces Howe can you tell that phil Yes I haue ben there I could not learne of al his contrey men that euer he preacheth worces Though he preached not one way he preacheth an other by procuring good order for the churche to be kepte in phil I am sure that it wil be his damnacion before God that he leaueth that he is commaunded of Christe and setteth furthe his owne decrees to deface the gospel worces It is the euill lyuing that you haue sene at Rome that causeth you to haue this yl iudgement of the church of Rome I can not tary nowe with you to reasō further of this mater Howe say you to the reall presence of the sacrament wil you stand to that Phil. I do acknowledge as I haue sayd a reall presence of the sacrament in the dewe administracion therof to the worthy receauers by the spirite of God wor. You adde now a great meany mo wordes thē you did before yet you say more of the sacrament then a great meany will do Thus they departed After them came in to me D. Chadsey D. wright Archdeacon of Oxforde with a great meany mo MAister Philpot here is maister Archdeacon of Oxforde come to you Chadsey to gyue you good councel I pray you heare him Phil. I will refuse to heare none that will councell me any good and yf any can bring any mater better thā I haue I wil sticke thervnto wright I would wyshe you master Philpot to agre with the catholike church and not to stād in your owne cōceyt you see a great me any of learned men agaynst you phil I am master doctor of the vnfayned catholike churche and will lyue and dye therin and yf you can proue your churche to be the true catholike church I wil be one of the same wright I came not to dispute with you but to exhorte you here be better learned than I that cā enforme you better than I Chadsey Thy hart knoweth that thy mouth lyeth Chad. What profe would you haue I wil proue vnto you our church to haue his being foūdatiō by the scriptures by the Apostles by the primatiue church cōfirmed with the bloud of martirs and the testymony of al confessours phil Gyue me your hand master doctor proue that and haue with you Chadsey If I had my bokes here I could sone proue it I wil go fette som with that he went fette his boke of annotaciōs saieng I cannot bring my bokes wel Therfore I haue brought my boke of annotaciōs And turned ther to a common place of the sacramēt asking me whether the catholike church did not allowe the presēs of Christes body in the sacramēt or no I heare say you do confesse a real presence hangyng is to good for thee but I wil be hanged if you will abide by it you will deny it by and by Phil. That I haue sayd I cannot deny neither intend not what soeuer you say Chadsey If there be a real presence in the sacrament than euill mē receyue Christ which thīg you wil not graūt I am suer Phil I deny the argument For I do not graunt in the sacrament by transubstāciacion any real presence as you falsely ymagyne But in the dewe administration to the worthy receyuers Chadsey I wil proue that the euel wicked men eat the body of Christ as wel as the good men by S. Austine here phil And in the beginning of his text S Austine semed to approue his assertiō but I bad him reade out to the ende and there S Austine declareth that it was quodam modo after a certayn maner the euill men receyued the body of Christ which is sacramētally only in the vtter signes not really or in dede as the good doth And thus al the doctors that you seme to bring in for your purpose be quite against you yf you did vp rightly way them Chad. By God you ar a subtil felow se howe he would wrythe S. Austines wordes phil See who of vs wryeth S. Austine more you or I which take his meanīg by his owne expresse wordes And seing you charge me of subtiltie what subtilty is this of you to say that you wil proue your mater of the churche euen from the begynning promysyng to shew your bokes therin and when it commeth to the shewing you are hable to shewe none and for want of profe slip into a bye mater and yet faynt in the profe therof Afore God you ar bare arst in all your religion Chadsey You shal be constrayned to come to vs at lenght whether you wyl or no. phil Holde that argument fast for that is the best you haue for you haue nothing but violence The thursdaye after I was called in the mornyng before the Archbishop of Yorke the B. of Chichster the B. of Bathe and the B. of London the B. of Chichester beyng fyrst come began to talke wyth me I Am come of good will to talke with you to instructe you what I can to come to the catholyke churche and to will you to mistrust your owne iudgement and to learne fyrste to haue humilite and by the same to learne of others that be better learned thē you as they did learne of suche as were theyr betters before them phil We must be all taught of God and I will with all humilitie learne of them that will enforme me by Goddes word what I haue to do I confesse I haue but lytle learning in respecte of you that both for
your yeares great exercyse do excell therin but fayth coÌ„systeth not only in learning but in simplicytie of beleuing that which Godes word teacheth therfore I wil be glad to heare bothe of your lordship or of any other that god hath reuealed vnto by his worde the true doctrine therof thanke you that it dothe please you to take paynes herein Chiche You take the first alleged amisse as though al meÌ„ should be taught by inspiration not by learnyng Howe do we beleue the Gospel but by the authoritie of the church and because the same hath allowed it Phil. S. Paule sayeth he learned not the Gospel by men neyther of men but by the reuelatioÌ„ of Iesus Christ which is a sufficieÌ„t profe that the gospel taketh not his authoritie of maÌ„ but of God only Chichest S. Paule speaketh but of his owne knowlage how he came therto Phil. Naye he speaketh of the Gospel generally which coÌ„meth not from maÌ„ but from God that the churche must only teache that which coÌ„meth froÌ„ God and not mans preceptes Chiches Doth not S. Austine saye I would not beleue the Gospel yf the authoritie of the churche dyd not moue me therto phil I grauÌ„t that the authoritie of the churche dothe moue the vnbeleuers to beleue but yet the churche geueth not the worde his authoritie for the worde hath his authoritie only froÌ„ God not of man Men be but disposers therof for fyrst the worde hath his beyng before the churche and the worde is the foundacion of the churche and first is the foundacion sure before the buyldyng theron can be stedfast Chiches I perceaue you mistake me I speake of the knowlage of the Gospell and not of the authoritie for by the churche we haue all knowlage of the Gospel phil I confesse that For fayth cometh by hearyng and hearyng by the worde and I acknowlage that God appointeth an ordinary meanes for meÌ„ to come vnto knowlage nowe and not miraculously as he hath done in tymes paste yet we that be taught by men must take hede that we learne nothing else but that which was taught in the primatiue churche by reuelation Here came in the B. of Yorke and the bishop of Bathe and after they had saluted one an other and commoned a whyle together the Archbishop of Yorke called me vnto them sayeng Yorke Syr we hearyng that you are out of the waye are come of charitie to enforme you and to bring you into the true fayth to the catholike churche agayne willyng you first to haue humilitie and to be humble and willyng to learne of your betters for else we can do no good wyth you and God sayeth by the Prophete On whome shall I reste but on the humble and meke and suche as tremble at my worde Nowe yf you will so be we wil be glad to trauail with you phil I know that humilitie is the dore wherby we enter vnto Christ I thaÌ„ke his goodnes I haue entred in at the same vnto him wil with al humilitie heare whatsoeuer truth you shal speake vnto me Yorke What be the maters you staÌ„de on and require to be satisfyed Phil. My lorde and it please your grace we were entred in a good mater before you came of the churche and howe we should knowe the truth but by the churche Yorke In dede that is the heade we nede to beginne at for the churche beyng truly knoweÌ„ we shal soner agre in the particular thynges phil Yf your lordships can proue the churche of Rome to be the true catholike churche it shall do muche to persuade me towarde that you would haue me inclyne vnto Yorke Why let vs go to the definition of the churche what is it phil It is a coÌ„gregation of people dispersed through the worlde agreyng together in the worde of God vsyng the sacramentes and al other thinges accordyng to the same Yorke This diffinitioÌ„ is of many wordes to no purpose Phil. I do not precisely diffyne the churche but declare vnto you what I thinke the church is Yorke Is the church visible or inuisible Phil. It is bothe visible and inuisible the inuisible church is of all the electes of God only the visible consisteth of bothe good and bad vsing all thinges in fayth according to Goddes word Yorke The churche is an vniuersal coÌ„gregacioÌ„ of faythful people in Christ through the worlde which this word catholik doth wel expresse for what is catholike elles doth it not signifie vniuersal Phil. The churche is diffined by S. Austen to be called catholike in this wyse Ecclesia ideo dicitur catholica quia vniuersaliter perfecta est in nullo claudicat The church is called therfore catholike bicause it is throughly perfyt and halteth in nothing Yorke Nay it is called catholyke bycause it is vniuersally receyued of all Chrystian nations for the most parte Phil. The churche was catholike in the Apostles tyme yet was it not vniuersally receyued of the world but bicause their doctrine which they had receyued of Christ was perfect and appointed to be preached and receaued of the hole world therfore it is caled the catholike fayth all persons receyuing the same be to be counted the catholike churche And S. Austine in an other place writeth ad Neophitos that the catholike church is the which beleueth a right Yorke Yf you will learne I wil shewe you by S. Austine writing against the Donatistes that he proueth the catholike churche by two principall pointes which is vniuersalitie and successioÌ„ of bishops in one apostolycal sea from tyme to tyme. Nowe thus wil I make myn argumeÌ„t The churche of Rome is vniuersal hath had his succession of bishops from tyme tyme Ergo it is the catholike churche howe answere you to this argumeÌ„t phil I deny the antecedent That the catholike churche is only knowen by vniuersalitie by succession of bishops Yorke I wil proue it And with that he brought furthe a boke which he had noted out of the doctors and turned to his commoÌ„ places therin of the churche recyted one or two out of S Austen specially out of his epistle written against the Donatistes Here S. Austen manifestly proueth that the Donatistes were not the catholike churche bicause they had no succession of bishops in their opinion neyther vniuersalitie and the same force hath S. Austins argument against you phil My lord I haue wayed the force of that argument before nowe And I perceiue it maketh nothing against me nether it commeth to your purpose for I will stand to the tryall of S. Austen for the apê“bacion of the catholike churche where of I am For S. Austine speaketh of vniuersalitie ioyned with veritie of faythful successours of Peter before corruption came into the churche and so yf you can deduce your argumeÌ„t for the sea of Rome now as S. Austen might do in his tyme I would say it might be of some force otherwise not Yorke S. Austine proueth the catholike churche
principally by succession of bishops and therfore you vnderstaÌ„de not S. Austine for what I pray you was the opinion of the Donatistes against whom he wrote can you tell what contrey were they of phil They were a certen secte of men affirming among other heresies that the dignitie of the sacramentes depended vpon the worthynes of the minister so that if the minister were good the sacrament which he ministred were auayliable or els not Chiches That was their errour and they had none other but that And he red an other authoritie of S. Austins out of a boke which he brought euen to the same purpose that the other was Phil. I chalenge S. Austine to be with me throughly in this poynte and wil stand to his iudgement takyng one place with an other Chiches If you wil not haue the church to be certen I praye you by whom wil you be iudged in maters of controuersy Phil. I do not deny the churche to be certen but I deny that it is necessarily tyed to any place longer then it abideth in the word and for all maner of controuersies the word ought to be iudge Chichest But what yf I take it one way and you an other howe than Phil. S. Austen sheweth a remedy for that willeth quod vnius locus per plura intelligi debeat that one place of the scripture ought to be vnderstanded by the mo Yorke How answere you to this argument Rome hath a knowen successioÌ„ of bishops which your churche hath not Ergo that is the catholik churche and yours is not bicause ther is no suche successioÌ„ can be proued for your churche phil I deny my lord that succession of bishops is an infallible point to knowe the churche by for there may be a succession of bishops knowen in a place and yet there be no churche as at Antioche and at Ierusalem and in other places wher the Apostles abode aswell as at Rome But if you put to the succession of bishops succession of doctrine with all as S. Austine doth I will graunt it to be a good profe for the catholike churche but a locall succession only is nothing vayleable Yorke You will haue no churche then I se well phil Yes my lord I acknowledge the catholik churche as I am bound by my Crede but I can not acknowledge a false church for the true Chichest Why is ther twoo catholike churches then philpot No I knowe ther is but one catholike churche but there haue ben and be at this present that take vpon theÌ„ the name of Christ of his church which be not so in dede as it is writteÌ„ that there be that call them selues APostles and be not so in dede but the sinagoge of Sathan and lyers And nowe it is with vs as it was with the two women in SalomoÌ„s tyme which lay to gether and the one suppressed her child and after went about to chalenge the true mothers childe Chiches What a babling here is with you nowe I se you lacke humilitie you wil go about to teach and not to learne philpot My lords I must desire you to beare with my hastie speche it is my infirmitie of nature all that I speake is to learne by I would you did vnderstand all my mind that I might be satisfied by you through better authoritie Chichest My lord and it please your grace turne the argument vpon him which you haue made and let him shewe the succession of bishops of his church as we can do How say you can you shewe the succession of bishops in your churche from tyme to tyme I tell you this argument troubled doctor Ridley so sore that he could neuer answere it Yet he was a man well learned I dar say you will say phil He was a man so learned that I was not worthy to cary his bookes for learning Chichest I promise you he was neuer hable to answere that he was a man that I loued well and he me For he came vnto me diuers tymes being in prison and conferred with me philpot I wonder my lord you should make this argument which you would turne vpon me for the tryal of my churche wherof I am or that you would make bishop Rydley so ignoraunt that he was not hable to answere it since it is of no force For behold fyrst I denyed you that locall succession of bishops in one place is no necessary point alone to proue the catholike churche by that which I haue denyed you can not proue and is it then reason that you should put me to the tryall of that which by you is vnproued and of no force to conclude against me Chichest I se my lords we do but lose our labours to reason with him he taketh him selfe better learned than we phil I take vpon me the name of no learning I bost of no knowledge but of faith and of Christ and that I am bouÌ„d vndoubtedly to know as I am sure I doo Chichest These heretikes take vpon theÌ„ to be sure of all thinges they stand in you should say rather with humilitie I trust I knowe Christ than that you be sure therof phil Let him doubt of his faith that lysteth God gyue me alwayes grace to beleue that I am sure of his faith and fauoure in Christ Bathe Howe will you be hable to answere heretiks but by the determinatioÌ„ of the knowen catholike churche Phil. I am hable to answere al heretikes by the worde of God and coÌ„uince them by the same Chichest Howe arrogantly that is spoken I dare not say so Phil. My lord I pray you beare with me for I am bold in the truth syde and I speake some what by experience that I haue had with heretykes and I knowe the Arrians be the subtilest that euer were and yet haue I manifest scriptures to beat them downe with all Chiches I perceaue nowe you are the same maner of man I haue heard of which will not be satisfied by learning Phil. Alas my lord why do you say so I do desire most humbly to be taught if ther be any better way that I should learne and hitherto you haue shewed me no better Therfore I pray your lord ship not to misiudge without a cause Baâ—he If you be the true catholike churche than will you hold with the reall presence of Christ in the sacrament which the true churche hath euer mayntayned phil And I my lord with the true churche do holde the same in the dewe ministracion of the sacrameÌ„t but I desire you my lord ther may be made a better conclusion in our first mater before we entre in to any other for if the churche be proued we shall sone agre in the rest In this meane while my lord of Yorke was turning his boke for mo places to helpe forthe his cause Yorke I haue found at lenthe a very notable place which I haue loked for all this while of S. Austine de simpliciate credendi Chichest It is but folly
my lord that your grace do reade him any mo places for he estemeth them not Phil. I esteme thē in as muche as they be of force as your lordship dothe heare me deny no doctors you bring but require the true applicacion of them according to the writers meaning as by his owne wordes I do proue Yorke I wil reade him the place and so make an ende After he had red the sentence he said that by fowre speciall pointes here S. Austine proueth the catholike church The first is by the consēt of al nations the secōd by the Apostolike sea the thryd by vniuersalitie the fourthe by this word catholike Chichest That is a notable place in dede and please your grace philpot I pray you my lord of what church doth S. Austine write the same of Rome or not ▪ Yorke Yea he writeth it of the churche of Rome philpot I wil lay with your lordship as muche as I can make it is not so And let the boke be sene Bathe What arte thou hable to laye that hast nothing Yorke Dothe he not make mention here of the Apostolike sea wherby he meaneth Rome Phil. That is very straytly interpreted my lorde as though the Apostolike sea had ben no where els but at Rome But let it be Rome and yet shal you neuer verifye the same onles all the other cōdicions do go ther with as S. Austine dothe procede withall wherof none except the Apostolike sea can nowe be verifyed of the churche of Rome For the faythe which that sea nowe maintayneth hath not the consent of all nations nether euer had besydes that it can not haue the name of catholyke bycause it diffreth from the catholike churches which the Apostles planted almost in all thinges Yorke Naye he goeth about here to proue the catholike churche by vniuersalitie And howe can you shewe your churche to be vniuersall fyftye or an hundred yeres ago phil That is not material neither any thing against S. Austyne For my churche wherof I am were to be counted vniuersall though it were but in .x. persons bicause it agreeth with the same that the Apostles vniuersally did plāte Yorke I perceyue you are an obstinate man in your opinion and will not be taught Wherfore it is but lost labore to talke with you any lenger you are a member to be cut of Chichest I haue heard of you before howe you troubled the good bishop of Winchester before and nowe I see in you that I haue heard Phil. I trust you see no euill in me by this I desire of you a sure ground to build my fayth on and if you shewe me none I pray you speake not yll of him that meaneth well Chichest Thou arte an impudent felow as I haue commoned with all Phil. That is spokē vncharytably my lord to blaspheme him whom you can not iustly reproue Chichest Why you are not God blasphemy is counted a rebuke to God-ward and not to man phil Yes it may be aswel verified of an infamy layed to man speaking in Goddes cause as you nowe do laye vnto me for speaking frely the truthe afore God to mayntayne your vayne religion you are voyde of all good grounde I perceyue you are blinde guydes and leaders of the blind and therfore as I am bound to tel you verye hypocrites tyrānously persecuting the truthe which otherwise by iust order you are hable to do by no meanes Your owne doctors and testimonyes which you bring be euidentlye against you and yet you wil not see the truthe Chichest Haue we this thanke for our good will comming to instructe thee phil My lordes you must beare with me synce I speake in Christes cause and bicause his glory is defaced and his people cruelly and wrongfully slain by you bicause they will not consent to the dishonour of God to hypocrisie with you Yf I told you not your fault it should be required at my handes in the day of iudgement therfore knowe you ye hipocrites in dede that it is the spirite of God that telleth you your synne and not I. I passe not I thanke God of al your crueltie God forgeue it you and gyue you grace to repent And so they departed The same day at night before supper the bishop sent for me into his chappel in the presence of Archdeacon Harpesfild doctor Chadsey in the presence of other his Chaplayns and his seruauntes MAster Philpot I haue by sundry meanes gone about to do you good and I maruail you do so litle considre it By my truthe I can not tell what to say to you Tel me directly whether you wil be a conformable man or no and wher vpon you chifly stand Phil. I haue told your lordship often tymes playne ynough where on I stand chiefly requiring a sure probatiō of the churche wherunto you cal me Harpel S. Austine writing against the Donatistes declareth foure special notes to knowe the church by the cōsent of many nations the faith of the sacraments confirmed by antiquitie succession of bishops vniuersalitie London I pray you master Archdeacō fett the booke hither it is a notable place let him se it And the boke was brought and the bishop red it demaunding howe I could answere the same Phil. My lord I like S. Austins foure points for the tryal of the catholik churche wherof I am For it can abide euery point therof together which yours can not doo Harpes Haue not we succession of bishops in the sea and church of Rome wherfor then do you deny our churche to be the catholike churche Phil. S Austine doth not put succession of bishops only to be sufficient but he addeth the vse of the sacramentes according to antiquitie and doctrine vniuersally taught and receyued of most nations from the beginning of the primatiue church the which your churche is far from But my churche can auouche all these better then yours therfore by S. Austins iudgement which you here bring myne is the catholike churche and not yours Harpes Chad. It is but foly my lord for you to reason with him for he is irrecuperable Phil. That is a good shift for you to runne vnto when you be confounded in your owne sayenges and haue nothing els to say you are euidently deceyued and yet will not see it when it is layd to your face Here ende as many of Iohn̄ Philpots examinacions as came to the printors handes and assone as the rest may be come by thou shalt haue it good reader by the will of God In the meane tyme refreshe thy selfe with this praising God for the perseueraunce of this cōstaūt learned martir and praye hartly for the rest of Christes poore afflicted church Geue God the glorye Iesus is God with vs. An Apologie of Iohan Philpot written for spitting vpon an Arrian with an inuectiue against the Arrians the very natural chyldren of Antichrist with an admonition to all that be faythfull in Christ to beware of them and of other late sprong heresies as of