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A33223 The state of the Church of Rome when the Reformation began as it appears by the advice given to Paul III and Julius III by creatures of their own : with a preface leading to the matter of the book. Clagett, William, 1646-1688. 1688 (1688) Wing C4400; ESTC R15337 26,546 43

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see no such degeneracy in any other City but in this which is to be an example to all others These Whores live in splendid Houses 'T is a filthy Abuse and ought to be mended In this City also Malice and Animosity reigns amongst private Citizens to bring whom to a right understanding and to make them Friends is a main part of the Bishop Wherefore some of the Cardinals who are fittest for this Service should be appointed to take up Quarrels and to reconcile the Citizens to one another There are Hospitals Pupils and Widows in this City the principal care of which belongs to the Bishop and Prince Wherefore your Holiness may please to take a fit care about all this by some Cardinals that are Men of Probity Now these are the things Most Holy Father which we for the present have brought together as our Capacity would permit that as to us it seems needful they may be Corrected But you in your Goodness and Wisdom will make a more perfect judgment of every thing We indeed thô we have not answered the greatness of the Concern which is too hard for us yet at least have satisfied our own Consciences and cannot but conceive great hope that under your Government we may see the Church of God purged fair as a Dove at Harmony with it self and united into one Body to the never dying Honour of your Name You have taken to your self the Name of of Paul we hope you will imitate the Charity of Paul who was a Chosen Vessel to carry the Name of Christ amongst the Gentiles We hope that you are chosen to restore the Name of Christ forgotten by the Nations and even by us of the Clergy that hereafter it may live in our Hearts and appear in our Actions to heal our Diseases to reduce the Flock of Christ into one Sheep-fold to remove from us that Indignation and Vengeance of God which we deserve which is now ready to fall upon us which now hangs over our Heads The Names of the Cardinals c. Gaspar Card. Contarene Joh. Peter Card. Theatine afterwards Paul IV. James Card. Sodelet Reginald Pole Card. of England Frederic Archbishop of Brundusium Joh. Matthew Gibet Bishop of Verona Gregory Cortese Abbat of St. George at Venice Fryar Thomas Master of the Sacred Palace THE ADVICE Given by some Bishops Assembled at BONONIA TO Pope Julius III. Concerning the Way to Establish the Roman Church Most Holy Father YOUR Legat at Bononia has given Us to understand that 't is your pleasure That We the Bishops lately Assembled in this City by your Command should three by three separately consult about the most effectual means of Establishing and Advaneing the Apostolic See which is at present so much troubled assaulted and weakned by the Perfidious Lutherans And that we should deliver in Writing our Opinions of this matter that your Holiness may compare them together and deliberate with your self about them as you desire We therefore the three Bishops whose Names are to this thô neither our Prudence Learning or Experience in business does avail much will yet in obedience to your Will distinctly declare our Opinions with such submission that yet all shall be referr'd to the Judgment of your Holiness But in the first place with all Reverence imaginable We would admonish your Holiness to take care least the same thing happen to this our Advice which we remember lately happen'd in another Case when some Cardinals with Select Bishops Nine in all consulted about this very thing viz. The Way of Reforming the Church and presented a Paper in which they offer'd their Opinions For the things there that ought to have been suppressed and concealed presently stole abroad and were scatter'd and dispersed even as far as Germany and so all our Counsels were discover'd and laid open to our Enemies the Lutherans And these things were of wonderful advantage to them in the opposition they made against Us and 't is incredible what hatred of Us they raised by the Books they published upon those Advices Affirming that We our selves confess there are many Errours and Abuses in the Church which We are so far from being willing to correct our selves that we do not stick to defend and maintain them by force and persecute with the utmost rigour any one that dares but to open his Lips about the necessary Amendment of them The divulging that Council most holy Father believe Us was a great disadvantage to our Affairs God forgive him by whose fault or negligence it hapned But truly there ought to be all care and diligence used that this our Advice never come abroad otherwise we shall add affliction to affliction and heap evil upon evil for We strike at things of the highest concern and freely without any respect of Persons we fall directly on the main cause first shew the Disease and then offer a convenient Remedy But these we say are to be kept as Secrets When we had well and long considered what was the State of this weighty Controversie recollecting all things from the beginning for we should always run back to the first principles we at last found it to be this The Lutherans hold and confess all the Articles of the Apostles Creed that of Nice and Athanasius This is very certain for we ought not to deny especially amongst our selves what we all know to be so true And these Lutherans refuse to admit of any other Doctrine but that alone of which the Prophets Christ and his Apostles were Authors and wish likewise that all men would be content with those few things that were observed in the Apostles time or immediately after and would imitate the Primitive Churches nor think of receiving any Traditions which it is not apparent as the light were delivered and instituted by our Lord Jesus Christ and his Apostles Thus do our Adversaries judge but indeed they judge ill We on the other hand following the Opinion of your Holiness would have all Traditions Constitutions Rules and Ceremonies which have hitherto been brought into the Church by the Fathers Councils or any Private Man with a good intention believed and received as Doctrine necessary to Salvation But particularly as to Tradition we believe as an Article of Faith what the Council of Trent lawfully Assembled with the Holy Ghost has Decreed in the 3d Session viz. That our Lord Jesus Christ and his Apostles delivered more Precepts relating both to Manners and Faith by word of Mouth than are in the Scriptures and that these without Writing were handed down to Us And although we can't prove this clearly for amongst our selves we plainly acknowledge that we have no proofs but some sort of conjectures to make out what we teach concerning Tradition yet we confess this to be true because the Roman Church maintains it This in short is the hinge on which the whole Controversie turns hence these Tumults and Contentions proceed But we ought to venture all to keep their Doctrine from