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A23973 Remarks upon A letter from a gentleman in the country to his friend in London and upon a relation of some Norfolk clergy of a conference between them and some Quakers ... / by an eye and ear witness of the whole, J.A. J. A. 1699 (1699) Wing A14; ESTC R36631 10,410 9

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pretended they would bring their proofs and proffer rather than go without it to pay for the transcribing it and once had directions to send to Oxborough for it and expectation given by Doctor Beckenham that they should have it but the Rector Meriton denied it and the Quakers also proffer'd over and over that if they might have such a Copy or Account they would willingly proceed to settle the Preliminaries and ●●at in order to agree upon time and place and if there were any thing they could not stand by or make ●ood by Scripture Proof they 'd disown it and urged to the Clergy that if they were sure their Proofs ●●ould hold they need not fear giving a Copy of their Charge nor decline another Meeting but one of the Clergy said Let it End here And is it not reasonable therefore to conclude that these Clergy-men are Conscious to themselves of the Invalidity of their pretended Proofs or shortness of making good that Charge which they would neither then or now produce them that the World might see what the Quakers were and what Sharp and industrious Men these Clergy had been to make such a discovery of them And if they now in Print had done what they could not do at West-Dereham they might not only have stop'd the Gangreen but compleated the Cure and shew'd themselves Physicians of some Value But says the Clergy p. 3. should we tell them the Names of the Books Page and Line before-hand we had deserved rather to be laugh'd at as Fools than be look'd on as Disputants I perceive they had more mind to be look'd upon as Disputants than laugh'd at as Fools and yet by the Judgment of many approved themselves more like the First than the Latter and shewed more Lightness and Prophaneness considering their Pretentions and the Place they were in by Hollowing and calling to the People to Hiss at the Quakers than their Skill in Disputing or Wisdom in Management However the Clergy seem to be Generous in that they allow the same liberty for the Quakers viz. to Charge any of the Church of England Writers with Blasphemy as they had taken against the Quakers but is it not greatly to be feared considering the difference and contentions that have been and are amongst them upon several Points as the Trinity c. that it would be very hard for Dr. Beckenham and the two other Rectors Meriton and Topcliff without the Authority of the Church or Power Ecclesiastical to disown either Dr. Sherlock or Dr. South However what the Quakers insisted upon considering their Generous offer to meet when they had an account of the Authors Books and Pages as aforesaid and had agreed upon time and place must by fair and reasonable Men be accounted both reasonable and fair and the contrary in the Clergy in denying it I also observe in page 5. They say they i. e. the Quakers told us Blasphemy against God was the Sin against the Holy Ghost because the Holy Ghost was God Rem And I pray do not these learned Rectors say the same If not may not the Quakers Charge them with Blasphemy as one of the Quakers did at West-Dereham And may they not justly be charged with Blasphemy against God and Jesus Christ c. in that they Charge the Quakers and positively assert that the Light within as taught by them exposes them to Blasphemy against God and Blasphemy against Jesus Christ If that Light be God and Jesus Christ For a Quaker there strenuously urged that they taught believed in or expected Salvation by no other than by Him that Word that was in the beginning with God and was God in whom was Life and the Life was the Light of Men c. And if so that any say they that assert this Light which is the Life of that Word that was God and so taught exposes them that so teach and believe to Blasphemy against God and Christ and many other Blasphemies surely they which so assert as these Clergy have must be Blasphemers against God c. who is this Word Light and Life And the Quakers did not only assert this but did positively deny all the Charges which was brought and exhibited against them by the Clergy which Charges the Clergy acknowledge was not prov'd against them as before observed and I heard a Quaker then and there make Confession that they believed in God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth and in Jesus Christ his Son born of the Virgin Mary that appeared in the World in the Body prepared for him wrought Miracles Suffered and Dyed for our Sins and Rose again for our Justification and believed that Remission of Sins was through Faith in his Blood and declared they believed in the Holy Spirit and owned the Three that bear Record in Heaven the Father the Word and the Spirit and that these Three are One and that they owned the holy Scriptures of Truth and believed they were given forth by Divine Inspiration and were profitable for Doctrine Reproof and Correction and were able to make the Man of God Wise to Salvation through Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and that they did esteem the Bible above all other Books and accounted it the most Excellent in all the World and could be glad People did spend more of their time in Reading of it And that they owned Magistracy according to Scripture and accounted it an Ordinance of God for the Punishing them that do Evil and Praise of them that do Well And that they owned the Ordinances of Jesus Christ and his Baptism which is truly Essential unto Salvation and the Supper of the Lord. And in the 1st Paper of the Quakers unto the Clergy which they call a Copy of the Quaker's Challenge sent unto Henry Meriton John Meriton Lawrence Parke they write to them thus If you think you have Matter to Charge us withal let us have your Charge under your own Hands c. ' This say they is not from any Consciousness to our selves of holding any Errors but if you think it is you may if you please i. e. Charge them Rem Now one of the Quakers from hence urged it could be no Challenge but a Proposal left to them if they thought they had Matter to Charge them they might and said the Quakers you have thought your have Matter and have charged us and said your Measures are fixt and we may chuse whether we will meet you upon the terms resolved on or no See your last Paper which is concluded thus from those that are resolved to continue your real Friends whether you will or not And notwithstanding their resolute friendship allowed not the Quakers that provision they reserved in the first Paper viz. the common Priviledges to such occasions belonging which is a Mutual agreement of time place and method and to have an account of the Books Authors and Pages when they agreed on that method of Charging I shall now make a few Remarks on the Certificate