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A81396 Christ exalted, and alone worthy to open the seals of the book. And the scriptures owned in their place. A true testimony of him, as is manifest, in answer to a book, intituled, The Quakers apostacy, from the perfect rule of scriptures. Given forth by John Timson, of Great Bowden in Leicestershire. And the deceits and blasphemies he charges upon the Quakers, is turned upon his own head, and he found guilty of what he reproaches them with, in what is written for the simples sake, and truth to clear from false accusations and lyes cast upon it. And the ten queries he saith he vindicateth, and would print but foure of them, they are all published, with the answers that he charges to be confused, dark and deceitfull, that the answers may witnesse for themselves against what is charged upon them. He that hath an understanding in the light, read and judge. / William Dewsberry. Dewsbury, William, 1621-1688. 1656 (1656) Wing D1258; Thomason E891_6; ESTC R206512 24,367 32

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to reforme them and draw them up to a higher pitch of Christian obedience according to the written word of the Lord. Ans Thou with all who are in the light is seen to be in thy wisedome querying after many lights but as is formerly written in answer to thy 4. Quest the●e is but one true light Christ who lighteth every one that comes into the world and all his ministers turnes the mindes of people from darknesse to Christ the true light in it to waite on him for his power to destroy the power of Satan and to lead in the straite narrow way of self denyal and the daily Crosse which is the way into the Kingdome of God who ever will be my Disciple saith Christ he must deny himself and take up his Crosse daily and follow me Luke 19. 23. 7. Qu. Whether a sinner condemned by the Law is made just before God unto eternall life by an inherent power within or worke of Sanctification or whether by the satisfaction and suffering of Christ in mans nature and behalfe rested on by faith Ans The Creature whose Conscience is awakened by the light the righteous Law of God in the heart which shews it its sinfull state and stands condemned before the Throne of God for disobeying the light shall never be justified by any self righteousnesse for it is uncleannesse in the sight of God for justification is through faith in the Lord Jesus but this faith which layes hold on Christ for justification is not attained by any power the creature hath of its self neither can any know it who receive honor one of another Joh. 5. 44. How can ye beleeve who receive honor one of another and seek not the honor that comes from God onely faith is the gift of God given to the Children of light who waits in the light on the Lord in the way of his judgements Isa 26. 8. till judgement be brought forth into victory that the creature be brought into true poverty of spirit for ever to perish without free redemption in the Lord Jesus which the father in his appointed time reveales the son to the soule that stands condemned before him and by the arme of his mighty power creates it to a lively hope and he that hath this hope in him purifieth himself even as he is pure so whom he justifieth he sanctifieth and he that saith he is justified and liveth in sin deceiveth himself for faith purifieth the heart and purgeth the Conscience from dead works to serve the liveing God which is witnessed in the Children of light according to testimony of Scripture Heb. 9. 14. 8. Qu. Whether the person or essence of Christ or his spirit dwell in any upon earth or whether by his gifts and graces onely or whether all those that have Christ in them must forsake all outward teaching of men and whether the Scripture be but a dead letter and of no use otherwaies then Christ within doth witnesse unto them Ans He that knows not Christ to be in him is a reprobate for he that hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his and he that is guided by the spirit of Christ needs not any teaching of man for you shall not neede to teach one another for all my Children shall be taught of me saith the Lord God and the Scripture is but a killing letter but of use in its place d testimony of Christ but not any knows Christ by it for Christ is known by the light of his spirit which gave forth the Scriptures and all that are guided by his spirit knows the Scripture in the truth as it is in Jesus ●ph 4. 21. 9. Qu. Whether the conversion that was wrought upon the souls of many under the ordinary outward ministry of the word in our publique assembles turning men from darknesse to light from prophanesse to true Godlinesse be true unto salvation and whether those that have been thus converted were in the state of salvation before they joyned themselves unto your society or whether can none be converted and saved that never came under nor gave their assent to the dispensation of your way and how you will justifye yours to be in the true and good old way that all have and shall be saved in you may do well to make it out by some evident demonstration Ans Who can witnesse a true conversion by the power of the spirit of God in turning their mindes from darknesse to light that comes from Christ and in his light waite to receive the sentence of death in themselves to destroy all self confidence in any thing below Christ and in the state of death to wait till that they heare the voice of the Son of God and by his power was raised up to a liveing hope in Christ to walk who throw his blood do witnesse their garments washed and made white to reigne Kings and Preists upon the earth for ever to worship the father in spirit and truth and who ever can witnesse this conversion whether it were wrought when they frequented your publique assemblies or absented from them this conversion we owne who it can witnesse and of our way they are and will to us come and all shall know the truth we witnesse is the good old way that all souls that came to God walked in Christ the way the truth and the life the ancient of daies which was before time but manifest in time in all the Children of light who doth them lead in the narrow way of self denial and the daily Cross with him to enter thorow the strait gate into the holy City new Jerusalem where the soule hath union which the father of light and beholds his face and his name is written in their foreheads and there is no night there neither need of Candle nor light of the Sun for the Lord God giveth them light and they shall reigne for ever and ever Rev. 22. 5. 10. Whether any of your way attaine unto perfection in this life that they can truly say that they do all that God commands without failing either in matter or in manner of obedience no not in thought word and deed and whether the persons of any stand just before God that are not thus perfect Ans All that are in the way we are in which is Christ the way to the Father in whom all in their measure are pressing on to the fulness of stature in Christ the perfect man and who in him is grown to the fulnesse of stature in his power doth stand which doth them guide that in their mouthes is found no guile for they are without fault before the Throne of God Rev. 14. 5. FINIS
obedience conjoyned with them also Ans To thy 2. and 3. Question in the old Covenant the Law was written in Tables of stone which Law haveing a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect Heb. 10. 1. And when he came who saith Lo I come to do thy will O God he taketh away the first that he may establish the second ver 9. by which will we are sanctified thorow the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all ver 10. and by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified whereof the holy Ghost is a witnesse to us as he said before this is the covenant that I will make with them saith the Lord I will put my Lawes in their hearts and in their minds will I write them ver 14 15 16. Jer. 31. 33. 4 Qu. Whether the Law in the heart without the use of Scriptures make any Evangelical discoveries of the person natures and Offices of Christ as he is Redeemer of lost man Ans Thy feigned words we wave the truth we witnesse the Law in the heart witnessed in the New Covenant Christ is known to be King of Kings and Lord of Lords 1 Tim. 6. 15. And the faithfull High Priest Heb. 2. 17. 3. 1. 4. 15. 5. 6 7. 26. 10. 2● who hath made us Kings and Priests to God and his Father c. Rev. 1. 6. 5 Qu. Whether all shall be saved that have the Law of God written in their hearts by virtue of the New Covenant or any be saved that live to years of discretion that know not Christ as the Scriptures testifie of him in order to his coming to the world to save sinners Ans All are saved who are guided by the righteous Law of the Spirit of life in Christ which sets them free from the Law of sin and death Rom. 8. 2. And what years soever any live unto they have no discretion to know Christ as the Scriptures testifie of him but they who in his light waits upon him to be guided by him for who hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his Rom 8. 9. And for the rest of thy aspersions and revilings thou hast writ calling us deceivers that fear the Authority of man or else we would deny Christ himself Reply Christ we do not deny but him we own who respects no mans person Rom. 2. 11. and in him no fear of man is and we in him Reigns over thee and all the authority of the power of darknesse that stands in opposition to Christ the Son of God to whom every knee must bow Phil. 2. 10. the day shall declare it And in what thou hast replied to the Answer to the fourth Question which thou charges to be untrue to say That man in the fall as he stands in the state of corrupt nature hath not therein any light without Christ to doe any thing acceptable to God c. Which thou goes about to prove the contrary and saith there is the light and use of reason and understanding faculties though corrupted And further thou sayes This light of corrupt reason as before exprest presents to the conscience good and evill c. Reply In the light thou art seen to be in the corrupt Fountain from whence all these corrupt words hath come which thou hast Printed in thy Book and thy words are not true Corrupt reason of man doth not present to the conscience things good and evill a corrupt Tree cannot bring forth good fruit Mat. 7 18. There is nothing makes manifest darknesse but light Ephes 5. 15. which all men in the Fall is gone from out of the way and there is none that doth good no not one Rom. 3. 9 10 11 c. And the naturall man receives not the things that are of God nor can he know them because they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor. 12. 14. And all the righteousnesse of man in this state is as a filthy rag and a menstruous cloath Isa 64. 6. And this is the state of man in corrupt nature And the light that convinces man of this dark and corrupt estate he is in is the light of Christ that convinces the World of sin righteousnesse and judgement John 16. 8. So we that were sometimes darknesse are now light in the Lord Ephes 5. 8. And who walk in the light there is no occasion of stumbling 1 John 2. 10. And whereas thou sayest Thou knowes we will lye as thou hast made it manifest Reply It is not so thou hath not made yet manifest any lye that we have spoken by any truth thou hath declared And thou goes on as in thy 89 Page thou sayes The rational soul of man corrupted is called the candle of the Lord which we invent to be Christ which is false we deny that the corrupt soul of man is the candle of the Lord or Christ And further thou sayes It was thy intended work to goe thorow all the Answers to the ten Questions but for want of thy paper which thou sa●es we detained from thee contrary to our Promise In which thou says not true for the promise was to thee thou should have a coppy of thy paper which thou sent to us when it was ready for thee which was not then written neither was any time set down of thy haveing it and as way was made a coppy according to our promise came to thy hands And in the close of thy Book thou goes on as thou begun saying we deny Scriptures as to the end they were intended and reproach the Ordinances of the Lord Jesus which the Scriptures teach under the notion of heathenish worships c. which is answered to in the truth declared a witnesse to stand against all the reproaches that thou hast cast upon the truth of the liveing God and the God thou art pleading for cannot crown thee with honour in the day wherein the liveing God will exalt his son and clear the innocency of his people then shall the God whose worship thou art defending be confounded and confusion and shame shall stop thy mouth and if this come not to passe as declared then say the Lord hath not spoken by me And in that thou calls thy Post-script in the end of thy Book the things therein thou falsely accuses us with and calls them the Rocks which we are to manifest how we shall escape which is clearly made manifest in what is written in answer to thy Book Only this where thou sayes we make no difference between the visible professing Church and the Pagan world all may be saved alike if they will c. Reply They that make a visible Profession of Christ and deny to walk in the light of his Spirit are of the world that lies in wickednesse 1 John 5. 19. Mat. 7. 21. as well as them thou calls the Pagan world and