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A45667 Remarks on the affairs and trade of England and Ireland wherein is set down 1. the antient charge of Ireland, and all the forces sent thither from 1170 until the compleat conquest thereof in 1602 ..., 2. the peculiar advantages which accrue to England by Ireland ..., 3. the state of trade, revenue, rents, manufactures, &c. of Ireland, with the causes of its poverty ..., 4. the only sure expedients for their advancement, with the necessity and utility of the repeal (as well as suspension) of the laws against dissenters, and the test, 5. how the reduction and settlement of Ireland may be improved to the advantage of England ... / by a hearty well-wisher to the Protestant religion, and the prosperity of these kingdoms. Harris, Walter, Sir. 1691 (1691) Wing H886; ESTC R13627 68,949 83

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REMARKS ON THE Affairs and Trade OF England and Ireland Wherein is set down 1. The Antient Charge of Ireland and all the Forces sent thither from 1170 until the Compleat Conquest thereof in 1602 with the Returns of Forces and Treasure which have been made thence to England towards the Conquests of France Scotland and Wales 2. The peculiar Advantages which accrue to England by Ireland As also those made in the Course of Trade 3. The State of the Trade Revenue Rents Manufactures c. of Ireland with the Causes of its Poverty And the State of the Trade and Rents of Lands in England from the Reign of Ed. III. unto this time with the Causes of their increase and Abatement 4. The only sure Expedients for their Advancement with the Necessity and Utility of the Repeal as well as Suspension of the Laws against Dissenters and the Test 5. How the Reduction and Settlement of Ireland may be improved to the Advantage of England and Increase of their Majesties Revenue 1500000 l. may be raised by Ireland to the ease of England expediting of their Majesties Affairs And how Ireland may be rendred Useful towards the retrenching the Power of France By a hearty Well-wisher to the Protestant Religion and the Prosperity of these Kingdoms With Allowance LONDON Printed for Tho. Parkhurst at the Bible and Three Crowns in Cheapside near Mercers Chapel 1691. To His Grace James Duke of Ormond The Right Honourable Richard Earl of Burlington and Cork Lord High Treasurer of Ireland William Earl of Portland Sir John Lowther Baronet Vice-Chamberlain to Her Majesty Lords of Their Majesties Treasury Richard Hambden Esquire Chancellor of the Exchequer Lords of Their Majesties Treasury Sir Stephen Fox Knight Lords of Their Majesties Treasury Thomas Pelham Esquire Lords of Their Majesties Treasury Sir Henry Ashurst Baronet And Sir Thomas Clergis Knight My Lords and Honoured Gentlemen THese Papers which were writ with a more private design yet chiefly intended for the Service of Their Majesties and the Publique are now addressed to your Lordships to render them the more useful to those Ends the several Eminent Stations in which all of you are gives you the opportunity of improving whatever is herein proposed to that purpose The unhappy management of the Affairs of Ireland on every Rebellion hath made the Charge of their Reduction to England ten times more than needed Cambden observed that by long usage it was grown a mischievous Custom in Ireland that Rebels might with part of the Plunder they took from the English procure Pardon Whereby and the Lenity of England Rebellions were nourished there This is most certain that the Papists have always had such Influence on the Councils of England as on the conclusion of every Rebellion they have been left in a condition to renew them at pleasure to the great Charge of England and Ruin of the English Planters in Ireland and of their Improvements And now they the French K. and the late K. J. have their Instruments at work to that end But five Rebellions having been raised there betwixt 1567 and 1642. and now a Sixth of which two formidable and chargeable ones having happened within the memory of many yet living will if we be not doomed to Infatuation instruct us in the necessity of breaking their power and utterly disabling them for future Rebellions There are a Party of Men who while the late K. J. was in Ireland magnified both it and the Force of the Irish but upon the Tydings of the happy progress of His Majesties Arm to detract from the Glory of His Acquisitions they represent that Kingdom as chargeable and useless nay as disadvantagious to England It hath however to their Mortification already yielded Laurels to incircle His Royal Brows and will do Treasure to His Coffers with a rich Return to this Kingdom of the Charge laid out for its Reduction if the Settlement thereof be duly attended It is enough for His Majesty to Conquer it ought to be the Care of His Ministers to settle and secure There is indeed a great measure of Wisdom required to improve Victories as well as Courage and Conduct to Atchieve them It hath been observed to be the Fate of the English to lose that by Treaty which they gain by Conquest Five Hundred Years Experience hath verified it in great measure as to Ireland The Affairs and Trade of that Kingdom its Vtility and Importance to England and the Influence it hath on the Trade and Rents thereof seems to have escaped the observation of most of our Statesmen and Merchants I have in these Papers attempted to rescue them from that obscurity and to lay them before Your Honours Now that the Affairs of that Kingdom are before You in Parliament Councils and Committees For which presumption nothing can Apologize but the Zeal for the Publick with which they were written I am in all humility My Lords and Gentlemen Your most Humble Servant W. H. SIR The Substance of the First of the Inquiries you Propose concerns Ireland which I take to be this First Whether England hath been Loser or Gainer by the Conquest of Ireland the Charge considered that hath been Expended thereon YOU are pleased to require my Answer to this and the other Queries which you propose presuming that my Acquaintance with that Kingdom c. doth Capacitate me to satisfie you therein I confess I have made Observations that would at least have Contributed thereunto But my Absence from Papers that would have inabled a more distinct and satisfactory Account of those matters might have excused my Disobedience at least for the present But being you admit not thereof but use the Power you have over me in commanding a speedy Compliance I will in Obedience briefly set down what occurs to me on that Subject tho' my Sentiments in this matter being different from many others I foresee the hardiness of undertaking to contradict Common-Fame or to rectifie a vulgar Error I have heard several and among them some of the Famed States-Men of the Age wish there were no such place as Ireland and fault its nearness to England as detrimental or unprofitable As if had they been consulted they could have rectified the Creation by leaving it out or placing it better elsewhere The Error lies in not apprehending its usefulness to England Others gravely tell us both in Discourse and Print that the gaining and keeping Ireland hath cost England more than the purchase of all that Kingdom is worth But these are like him who pay'd Ten-Shillings for an Ewe kept her Five Years pay'd Twelve Pence per Annum for her keeping tho' he Yearly received her Lambs and Fleece yet believed he was Fifteen Shillings the worse by having her I confess I was once half of the mind that the Expence of England in Blood and Treasure about that Kingdom had been vast My Curiosity led me to examine whether it were so or no and I will here faithfully impart what I have
having the advantage of the Exchange we receive in Ireland 106 l. or 108 l. for every hundred Pounds we part with in England So that at 6 per Cent. for exchange we part but with 37600 l. and yet receive 4000 l. per Annum Interest thence Of the same Nature and Advantage is the Rent that our Noblemen Gentlemen and Merchants yearly receive for their Lands in Ireland which are yearly transmitted thence hither Instances of this kind are too many to be enumerated I will set before you some considerable Instances of Profit that we receive from Ireland and which that Kingdom particularly yields us in three Schedules First by Rent of Lands in Ireland belonging to Persons that wholly or for the most part live in England and are therefore frequently transmitted hither   per Ann. Rents of the Lands posssessed by the Duke of York the late K. 7000 l. City of London and the 12 Companies 6000 l. Erasmus Smith 2400 l. Ald. John Smith deceased 400 l. Sir Charles Lloyd 0800 l. Sir Wil. Barker Brewen and others 2500 l. Maurice Thomson 400 l. Several Adventures 5000 l. Sir Will. Temples Estate and Office 1400 l. Heirs of Earl of Essex 1200 l. Sir Will. Courtney 2000 l. Lord Fitz-Harding 1000 l. Lord Berkely 800 l. Lord Arlington c. 2000 l. Earl Anglesey 4000 l.   36900 l. Earl Strafford 1800 l. Darcy of Platton 700 l. D. Albemarl 1500 l. Lord Conway 2000 l. D. Buckingham 2500 l. Sir 〈◊〉 Wandesford 1200 l. Mr. Pugh 250 l. D. Ormond 17000 l. Lord Ranelagh and Lady Dowager 3000 l. Sir James Shane 500 l. Lord Lisburne 2000 l. Earl Thomond 3500 l. Sir Edward Scot 300 l. Earl Cork 14000 l. Earl Londonderry 1000 l. Earl of Kildare 3500 l.   54750 l.   36900 l.   91650 l. The second List of Persons resident in England that did receive Pensions out of the Revenue in Ireland in 1685. and since   per Ann. Lord Lisburn 300 l. Earl Sunderland 5000 l. Lady Fr. Keightly 400 l. Countess of Portland 500 l. Mrs. Hublethorn 100 l. Earl of Rochester 1600 l. Earl Dorset and Tho. Felton 800 l. Sir Edward Scot 500 l. Tho. Sheridan 550 l. Cha. Laburn 100 l. Capt. Beversham 117 l. Mrs. Knight 200 l. Mrs. Cusels 200 l.   10367 l. The third List is of other Advantages that we receive by that Kingdom   per Ann. For Students that come thence to the Universities and Inns of Court 8000 l. Attendants and Expectants at Court and Travellers hither 8000 l. Profit made by the Chief Governours that are sent hence thither above their Expence 6000 l. We usually have three Commissioners of the Revenue there that are sent hence at 1000 l. per Annum each allowing 1000 l. for their Expence 2000 l. Profit by the Post-Office 6000 l. Interest of 40000 l. that is put out by our People in Ireland 4000 l.   34000 l. The Revenue there in 1686 was in the total 334575 l. 17 s. 6 d. Allow for Insolvencies 10912 l. 11 s. 3 d.   323663 l. 6 s. 3 d. Total of the Establishment viz. the Charge of that Kingdom 243663 l. 6 s. 3 d. Remains 80000 l. This overplus was transmittable to England The overplus for Anno 1683. was but 40000 l. Insolvencies allowed as above in Anno 84. and 85. but 60000 l. I will therefore reckon it communibus Annis but 40000 l. Brought from above 34000 l.   74000 l. If in the first List the Estate of any man be over valued 't is most certain that many of the others are under-valued and that there are several Persons of less quality not named whose Estates are in Ireland and that spend them in England I have not wilfully erred I have a List of Particulars in my Hands drawn up by the Council of Trade in Ireland in 1672. whereby the Absentees Estates then living in England are valued to 116040 l. per Annum Nor is this a late Advantage that England reaps by Ireland for both the Histories and Laws of this and that Kingdom do complain That from the first Conquest they have been impoverished by their Nobility and Gentry's spending their Estates in England As to the Second List of Pensioners I do not find that there hath less than 10000 l. per annum been paid for many years past to Persons in England Upon the Establishment Anno 1676. The Pensions then payable to Persons in England was 10500 l. per annum All the Persons mentioned in this List but three were certainly in England and I am informed the other three were resident here also However the Summ payable to those three amounts but unto 5●0 l. in all As to the Third List it depends on Estimates wherein as to the two first Articles and the fourth fifth and sixth I have been careful to keep much within what they really are As to the third Article 't is certain that the Annual Profits our Noblemen make of that Government doth much exceed what I have set down And as to the last which concerns the Surplusages of the Revenue whoever consults the Establishment of that Kingdom will find that for many years past there has been an Article in it appointing a considerable Summ to be returned Annually into England In 1676. it was but 20000 l. per annum In Charles II. time there was great Summs raised in that Kingdom that never came into the Exchequer there nor as I am informed is there any account how they were disposed Whether they were distributed to Irish Rebels as a reward for cutting Protestants Throats in 1641 or transmitted for England I cannot say but possibly it may one day prove worth his present Majesties Enquiry when once that Kingdom tends towards a Settlement if he thinks good to have a retrospect so far Here I am likewise to take notice that when Forces have been sent from Ireland hither or to Tangier they have constantly been paid thence By the particulars of this last instance it is evident That we not only reap the common advantages usually made in the course of Trade between one Kingdom and another but that we also make many other considerable ones by Ireland which that Kingdom peculiarly yields us and is like yet to do to a greater degree if we put it into a better condition of Trade and Improvement which I shall hereafter make out The three Lists I have set down before you do shew That we receive 176017. l. per annum in those particulars 75000 l. that they pay us annually for Fraight of our Ships which makes 245017. enough of itself for ever to Cure us of our Jealousie That that Kingdom will be prejudicial to us in point of Trade for these very Out-lets of their Treasure will infallibly keep them low And the very encrease of their Trade and Consumption will encrease the Revenue there and make them liable to send so much more as that shall happen to be annually to England which helps