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A40651 The appeal of iniured innocence, unto the religious learned and ingenuous reader in a controversie betwixt the animadvertor, Dr. Peter Heylyn, and the author, Thomas Fuller. Fuller, Thomas, 1608-1661. 1659 (1659) Wing F2410; ESTC R5599 346,355 306

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was made Knight of the Bath at the Coronation of King Iames Anno 1603. and afterwards created Lord Montague of Boughton in the nineteenth year of that King Anno 1621. which honourable Title is now enjoyed by his Son another Edward Anno 1658. And thirdly though I grant that Dr. Iames Montague Bishop of Winchester the second Brother of the four was of great power and favour in the time of King Iames. Thus far Dr. Heylin out of his Advertisements written in correction of Mr. Sandersons History of the Reign of King Iames. To rectifie this heap of Errors not to be paralleled in any Author pretending to the emendation of another I have here plainly set down the Male-pedegree of this Noble Numerous and successfull Family 1 Sir Edward Montague Lord Chief Justice in the Reign of King Henry the eighth 2 Sir Edward Montague a worthy Patriot in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth Sir Walter Montague Knight second Son died without Issue Sir Henry Montague third Son Earl of Manchester Lord Chief Justice Lord Treasurer c. Edw. Montague now Earl of Manchester besides other Sons 3 Sir Edward Montague made Knight of the Bath at the Coronation of King Iames never a Martialist and created by Him Baron Montague of Boughton dying in the beginning of the Civill Warres William Mountague Esq of the Middle-Temple second Son 4 Edward now Lord Montague of Boughton Ralfe Montague Esq second Son Edward Montague Esq eldest Son Christopher Montague third Son died before his Father being a most hopefull Gentleman Sir Charles Montague fourth Son who did good service in Ireland and left three Daughters and Co-heirs Iames Montague fifth Son Bishop of Winchester died unmarried Sir Sidney Montague sixth Son Master of the Requests Edward Montague now Admirall and one of the Lords of the Councel I presume the Animadvertor will allow me exact in this Family which hath reflected so fauourably upon me that I desire and indeed deserve to live no longer than whilest I acknowledg the same THE FOURTH BOOK From the first preaching of Wickliffe to the beginning of the Reign of King Henry the eighth Dr. Heylin OUR Author begins this Book with the Story of Wickliffe and continueth it in relating the successes of him and his followers to which he seems so much addicted as to Christen their Opinions by the name of the Gospel For speaking of such incouragements and helps as were given to Wickliffe by the Duke of Lancaster with other advantages which the conditions of those times did afford unto him he addeth That Fol. 129. We must attribute the main to Divine Providence blessing the Gospel A name too high to be bestowed upon the Fancies of a private man many of whose Opinions were so far from truth so contrary to peace and civil Order so inconsistent with the Government of the Church of Christ as make them utterly unworthy to be look'd on as a part of the Gospel Or if the Doctrines of Wickliffe must be call'd the Gospel what shall become of the Religion then establisht in the Realm of England and in most other parts of the Western World Were all but Wickliffes Followers relaps'd to Heathenism were they turn'd Jews or had imbrac'd the Law of Mahomet If none of these and that they still continued in the faith of Christ delivered to them in the Gospels of the four Evangelists and other Apostolicall Writers Wickliffes new Doctrines could not challenge the name of Gospel no● ought it to be given to him by the Pen of any But such is the humor of some men as to call every separation from the Church of Rome by the name of Gospel the greater the separation is the more pure the Gospel No name but that of Evangelici would content the Germans when they first separated from that Church and reformed their own And Harry Nichols when he separated from the German Churches and became the Father of Familists bestows the name of Evangelium Regni on his Dreams and Dotages Gospels of this kinde we have had and may have too many quot Capita t●t Fides as many Gospels in a manner as Sects and Sectaries if this world goe on Now as Wickliffes Doctrines are advanc'd to the name of Gospel so his Followers whatsoever they were must be called Gods servants the Bishops being said fol. 151. to be busie in persecuting Gods servants and for what crime soever they were brought to punishment it must be thought they suffered onely for the Gospel and the service of God A pregnant evidence whereof we have in the story of Sir Iohn Oldcastle accused in the time of King Harry the fifth for a design to kill the King and his Brethren actually in Arms against that King in the head of 20000 men attainted for the same in open Parliament and condemn'd to die and executed in St. Giles his Fields accordingly as both Sir Roger Acton his principal Counsellor and 37 of his Accomplices had been before For this we have not onely the Authority of our common Chronicles Walsingham Stow and many others but the Records of the Tower and Acts of Parliament as is confessed by our Author fol. 168. Yet coming out of Wickliffes Schools and the chief Scholar questionlesse which was train'd up in them he must be Registred for a Martyr in Fox his Calendar And though our Author dares not quit him as he sayes himself yet such is his tendernesse and respect to Wickliffes Gospel that he is loath to load his Memory with causlesse Crimes fol. 167. taxeth the Clergie of that time for their hatred to him discrediteth the relation of T. Walsingham and all later Authors who are affirm'd to follow him as the Flock their Belweather and finally leaves it as a special verdict to the last day of the Revelation of the righteous Iudgements of God Fuller First I fain would know whether the Animadvertor would be contented with the Condition of the Church of England as Wickliffe found it for Opinions and Practise and doth not earnestly desire a Reformation thereof I am charitably confident that He doth desire such an Emendation and therefore being both of us agreed in this Point of the convenience yea necessity thereof in the second place I would as fain be satisfied from the Animadvertor whether He conceived it possible that such Reformation could be advanced without Miracle all on a sodain so that many grosse Errors would not continue and some new one be superadded The man in the Gospel first saw men walking as trees before he saw perfectly Nature hath appointed the Twilight as a Bridge to passe us out of Night into Day Such false and wild opinions like the Scales which fell down from the Eyes of St. Paul when perfectly restored to his sight have either vanished or been banished out of all Protestant Confession Far be it from me to account the rest of England relapsed into Atheism or lapsed in Iudaism Turcism c. whom I behold as Erronious Christians
of parchment out of his bosome and gave it to the Lord Keeper Williams who read it to the Commons four severall times East West North and South fol. 123. Thirdly the Lord Keeper who read that Scrole was not the Lord Keeper VVilliams but the Lord Keeper Coventry the Seal being taken from the Bishop of Lincoln and committed to the custody of Sir Thomas Coventry in October before And therefore fourthly our Author is much out in placing both the Coronation and the following Parliament before the change of the Lord Keeper and sending Sir Iohn Suckling to fetch that Seal at the end of a Parliament in the Spring which he had brought away with him before Michaelmas Term. But as our Author was willing to keep the Bishop of Lincoln in the Deanry of Westminster for no less then five or six years after it was confer'd on another so is he as desirous to continue him Lord Keeper for as many months after the Seal had been entrusted to another hand Fuller This also is an errour I neither can nor will defend the Lord Keeper Williams put for the Lord Keeper Coventry which hath betrayed me to some consequentiall incongruities I will not plead for my self in such a Suit where I foresee the Verdict will go against me Onely I move as to mitigation of Costs and Dammages that greater slips have fallen from the Pens of good Historians Mr. Speed in his Chronicle first Edition page 786. speaking of Henry eldest son to King Henry the eighth maketh Arch-Bishop Cranmer mistaken for Warham his God-father twenty four years before Cranmer ever sat in that See I write not this to accuse him but in part to excuse my self by paralleling mine with as evident a mistake I hope my free confession of my fault with promise of emendation of It and the Appendants thereof in my next Edition will meet with the Reader 's absolution And let the Animadvertor for the present if so pleased make merry and feast himself on my mistake assuring him that he is likely to fast a long time hereafter Dr. Heylyn Our Author proceeds f. 122. The Earl of Arundel as Earl Marshal of England the Duke of Buckingham as Lord high Constable of England for that day went before his Majesty in that great Solemnity In this passage and the next that follows our Author shewes himself as bad an Herald in marshalling a Royal Show as in stating the true time of the creation of a noble Peer Here in this place he placeth the Earl Marshall before the Constable whereas by the Statute 31 H. 8. c. 10. the Constable is to have precedency before the Marshall Nor want there precedents to shew that the Lord High Constable did many times direct his Mandats to the Earl Marshall as one of the Ministers of his Court willing and requiring him to perform such and such services as in the said Precepts were expressed Fuller My Heraldry is right both in Place and Time The Earl of Arundel as Earl Marshall went after the Duke of Buckingham as Lord High Constable though going before him For Barons went in this Royall Procession at the Kings Coronation before Bishops Bishops before Viscounts Viscounts before Earls the meaner before the greater Officers of State Thus the Lord Constable though the last was the first because of all Subjects nearest to the person of the Soveraign It seemeth the dayes were very long when the Animadvertor wrote these causless cavills which being now grown very short I cannot afford so much time in confuting them This his cavilling mindeth me of what he hath mistaken in his Geography For the younger son of an English Earl comming to Geneva desired a Carp for his dinner having read in the Doctor 's Geography that the Lemman Lake had plenty of the Fish and the best and biggest of that kind The people wondred at his desire of such a dainty which that place did not afford but told him That they had Trouts as good and great as any in Europe Indeed learned Gesner doth observe that the Trouts caught in this Lake sent to and sold at Lions are mistaken for Salmons by strangers unacquainted with their proportions It seems the Animadvertor's Pen is so much given to cavilling that he turned Trouts into Carps though none of them so great as this his CARP at me for making the Lord Marshall to go before the Lord Constable at the King's Coronation Dr. Heylyn Our Author proceeds Ibid. That the Kings Train being six yards long of Purple V●lvet was held up by the Lord Compton and the Lord Viscount Dorcester That the Lord Compton was one of them which held up the Kings Train I shall easily grant he being then Master of the Robes and thereby challenging a right to perform this service But that the Lord Viscount Dorcester was the other of them I shall never grant there being no such Viscount at the time of the Coronation I cannot say but that Sir Dudley Carlton might be one of those which held up the Train though I am not sure of it But sure I am that Sir Dudley Carlton was not made Baron of Imber-court till towards the latter end of the following Parliament of Anno 1606. nor created Viscount Dorcester untill some years after Fuller It is a meer mistake of the Printer for Viscount Doncaster son of and now himself the Earl of Carlile whose Father having a great Office in the Wardrobe this place was proper for him to perform All will presume me knowing enough in the Orthography of his Title who was my Patron when I wrote the Book and whom I shall ever whilst I live deservedly honour for his great bounty unto me Dr. Heylyn Our Author proceeds fol. 122. The Lord Arch-bishop did present his Majesty to the Lords and Commons East West North South asking their minds four severall times if they did consent to the Coronation of King Charls their lawfull Soveraign This is a piece of new State-doctrine never known before that the Coronation of the King and consequently his Succession to the Crown of England should depend on the consent of the Lords and Commons who were then assembled the Coronation not proceeding as he after telleth us till their consent was given four times by Acclamations Fuller I exactly follow the Language of my worthy Intelligencer a Doctor of Divinity still alive rich in Learning and Piety present on the place and an exact observer of all passages and see no reason to depart to depart from it I am so far from making the Coronation of the Soveraign depend on the consent of his Subjects that I make not the Kingly power depend on his Coronation who before it and without it is lawfull and effectuall King to all purposes and intents This was not a consent like that of the Bride to the Bride-groom the want whereof doth null the Marriage but a meer ceremoniall one in majorem Pompam which did not make but manifest not constitute but
principal Articles and main branches of it Fuller It is an hard question and yet perchance more dangerous than difficult to answer but the reason I dare alledge is this Even so Father because it pleased thee Let me add that such conscientious observers thereof which have proved unsuccessefull may esteem their losses as Sweet-Bryar and Holy-Thistle and more cordially comfort themselves in such sanctified afflictions than the Infringers of their Charter could content themselves in their successefull oppression I cannot part from this point till I have inserted that Sir Robert Cotton one who had in him as much of the Gentleman Antiquarie Lawyer good Subject and good Patriot as any in England was the Author in his short view of the long reign of King Henry the third who made the observation of those most successefull Kings by whom the Grand-Charter was most conscienciously observed Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 88. The poor Jews durst not goe into France whence lately they had been solemnly banished but generally disposed themselves in Germany and Italy The poor Iews are more beholding to our Author for his commiseration than the high Royalists as he cals them in the former passage But poor or rich they might have passed safely into France had they been so minded For though he tell us that they had been solemnly banished out of France before this time yet either such banishment was repealed or temporary only or as I rather think not so much as sentenced Certain I am our learned Brerewood upon a diligent enquiry hath found it otherwise than our Author doth letting us know That the first Countrey in Christendome whence the Jews were expelled without hope of return was our Countrey of England whence they were banished Anno 1290. by King Edward the first and not long after out of France Anno 1307. by Philippus Pulcher. Not out of France first out of England afterwards as our Author would have it Fuller I wonder any good Christians would be offended with me for pittying them by the name poor Iews If any High royalist as I fear there is too many be in low Estate would it were as well in my power to relieve as to pitty them Till when they shall have my prayers that God would give them patience and support them in their deepest distresse The Author will find that though the Great General and Final banishment of the Jews out of France was Anno 1307. under Philip the Fair yet formely there had been Edicts for their Exile thence Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 100. Thus men of yesterday have pride too much to remember what they were the day before An observation true enough but not well applyed The two Spencers whom he speaks this off were not men of yesterday or raised out of the dirt or dunghill to so great an height but of as old and known Nobility as the best in England insomuch that when a question grew in Parliament whether the Baronesse de Spencer or the Lord of Aburgaveny were to have precedency it was adjudg'd unto de Spencer thereby declar'd the ancientest Barony of the Kingdome at that time then being These two Hugh●he ●he Father was created Earl of Winchester for term of life and Hugh the Son by marrying one of the Daughters and co-heirs of Gilbert de Clare became Earl of Glocester Men more to be commended for their Loyalty than accused for their pride but that the King was now declining and therefore it was held fit by the prevalent faction to take his two supporters from him as they after did Fuller The two Spencers fall under a double consideration and are beheld in History for their extraction either as Absolutely in themselves Comparatively with others Absolutely they were of honourable parentage and I believe the Elder might be born a Baron whose Baronry by the Heir general is still extant in Mildmay Fane Earl of Westmorland and from the younger House of a Male Heir the Lord Spencer of Wormelayton now Earl of Sunderland doth as I have seen in his Pedigree derive himself Comparatively So were they far inferiour to most of those great persons over whom they insulted being originally Earls and some of them of Royall extraction Again the Two Spencers may and ought by an Historian to be considered as to be 1. Commended for their Loyalty 2. Condemned for their Insolency On the first account they deserve just praise and it is probable enough that they finde the lesse Favour from some Pens for being so Faithfull to so unfortunate a Soveraigne The latter cannot be excused appearing too plain in all our Histories Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 113. The Lord Chancellor was ever a Bishop If our Author by this word ever understands 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 most commonly or for the most part he is right enough but then it will not stand with the following words viz. as if it had been against equity to imploy any other therein And on the other side if he take the word ever in its proper and more natural sense as if none but Bishops had ever been advanced unto that office he doth not onely misinform the Reader but confute himself he having told us fol. 31. of this present book that Thomas Becket being then but Archdeacon of Canterbury was made Lord Chancellor and that as soon as he was made Archbishop he resign'd that office But the truth is that not onely men in holy Orders but many of the Laity also had attained that dignity as will appear to any who will take the pains to consult the Catalogue of the Chancellors and Keepers of the Great Seal in the Glossary of Sir Henry Spelman in which appear not onely some of inferior dignity as Deans Archdeacons House-hold Chaplains but many also not dignified with any Ecclesiastical Title or Notification and therefore in all probability to be looked on as meer Lay-men Counsellors and Servants to the Kings in whose times they lived or otherwise studied in the Laws and of good affections and consequently capable of the place of such trust and power Fuller May the Reader take notice that this complaint was made by the Commons in the 11th of Edward the 3d Anno 1336. Now Ever I here restrain to the oldest man alive then present in Parliament who could not distinctly remember the contrary from the first of King Edward the first who began his Reign 1272. so that for full 64. years an uninterrupted series of Bishops except possibly one put in pro tempore for a moneth or two possessed the place of Chancellors This complaint of the Commons occasioned that the King some three years after viz. in the fifteenth year of his reign conferred the Chancellors place on a Layman But it was not long before things returned to the old channel of Clergy-men and so generally for many years continued with some few and short interpositions of Lay-men Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 116. This year viz. 1350.
Soveraign having learnt primum in unoquoque Genere est excipiendum The Animadvertor hath here taken occasion to write much but thereof nothing to confute me and little to informe others He deserved to be this King Henry's Chaplain if living in that Age for his exactnesse in the distinct enumeration of all his Dignities and Estate before he came to the Crown Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 190. That States-men do admire how blinde the Policy of that Age was in keeping King Henry alive there being no such sure Prison as a Grave for a Cap●ive King whose life though in restraint is a fair mark for the full Aim of mal-contents to practise his enlargement Our Author might have spar'd this Doctrine so frequently in practise amongst the worldly Politicians of all times and ages that there is more need of a Bridle to holde them in than a Spur to quicken them Parce precor stimulis fortiùs utere loris had been a wholesome caveat there had any friend of his been by to have advis'd him of it The murthering of depos'd and Captive Princes though too often practised never found Advocates to plead for it and much lesse Preachers to preach for it untill these latter times First made a Maxim of State in the School of Machiavel who layes it down for an Aphorisme in point of policy viz. that great Persons must not at all be touched or if they be must be made sure from taking Revenge inculcated afterwards by the Lord Gray who being sent by King Iames to intercede for the life of his Mother did underhand solicite her death and whispered nothing so much in Queen Elizabeths eares as Mortua non mordet if the Scots Queen were once dead she would never bite But never prest so home never so punctually appli'd to the case of Kings as here I finde it by our Author of whom it cannot be affirm'd that he speaks in this case the sense of others but positively and plainly doth declare his own No such divinity preach'd in the Schools of Ignatius though fitter for the Pen of a Mariana than of a Divine or Minister of the Church of England Which whether it passed from him before or since the last sad accident of this nature it comes all to one this being like a two-hand-sword made to strike on both sides and if it come too late for instruction will serve abundantly howsoever for the justification Another note we have within two leaves after as derogatory to the Honour of the late Archbishop as this is dangerous to the Estate of all Soveraign Princes if once they chance to happen into the hands of their Enemies But of this our Author will give me an occasion to speake more in another place and then he shall heare further from me Fuller My words as by me laid down are so far from being a two-handed sword they have neither hilt nor blade in them only they hold out an Handle for me thereby to defend my self I say States-men did admire at the preserving King Henry alive and render their reason If the Animadvertor takes me for a Statesman whose generall Judgement in this point I did barely relate he is much mistaken in me Reason of State and Reason of Religion are Stars of so different an Horison that the elevation of the One is the depression of the other Not that God hath placed Religion and Right Reason diametrically opposite in themselves so that where-ever they meet they must fall out and fight but Reason bowed by Politicians o their present Interest that is Achitophelesme is Enmity to Religion But the lesse we touch this harsh string the better musick Dr. Heylin Now to goe on Fol. 197. The Duke requested of King Richard the Earldome of Hereford and Hereditary Constableship of England Not so it was not the Earldom that is to say the Title of Earl of Hereford which the Duke requested but so much of the Lands of those Earls as had been formerly enjoy'd by the House of Lancaster Concerning which we are to know that Humphry de Bohun the last Earl of Hereford left behinde him two Daughters onely of which the eldest called Eleanor was married to Thomas of Woods●ock Duke of Gloster Mary the other married unto Henry of Bullenbrook Earl of Darby Betwixt these two the Estate was parted the one moity which drew after it the Title of Hereford falling to Henry Earl of Darby the other which drew after it the Office o● Constable to the Duke of Glo●ester But the Duke of Glocester being dead and his estate coming in fine unto his Daughter who was not able to contend Henry the fifth forced her unto a sub-division laying one half of her just partage to the other moity But the issue of Henry of Bullenbrook being quite extinct in the Person of Edward Prince of Wales Son of Henry the sixth these three parts of the Lands of the Earls of Hereford having been formerly incorporated into the Duchy of Lancaster remained in possession of the Crown but were conceiv'd by this Duke to belong to him as being the direct Heir of Anne Daughter of Thomas Duke of Glocester and consequently the direct Heir also of the House of Hereford This was the sum of his demand Nor doe I finde that he made any suit for the Office of Constable or that he needed so to doe he being then Constable of England as his Son Edward the last Duke of Buckingham of that Family was after him Fuller The cause of their variance is given in differently by several Authors Some say that at once this Duke requested three things of King Richard 1. Power 2. Honor 3. Wealth First Power to be Hereditary Constable of England not to hold it as he did pro arbitrio Regis but in the right of his descent Secondly Honor the Earldome of Hereford Thirdly Wealth that partage of Land mentioned by the Animadvertor I instanced onely in the first the pride of this Duke being notoriously known to be more than his covetousnesse not d●nying but that the Kings denyal of the Land he requested had an effectual influence on his discontent Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 169. At last the coming in of the Lord Stanley with three thousand fresh men decided the controversie on the Earls side Our Author is out in this also It was not the Lord Stanley but his Brother Sir William Stanley who came in so seasonably and thereby turn'd the Scale and chang'd the fortune of the day For which service he was afterward made Lord Chamberlain of the new Kings Houshold and advanc'd to great Riches and Estates but finally beheaded by that very King for whom and to whom he had done the same But the King look'd upon this action with another eye And therefore when the merit of his service was interposed to mitigate the Kings displeasure and preserve the ma● the King remembred very shrewdly that as he came soon enough to win
the Victory so he staid long enough to have lost it Fuller Though a courteous Prolepsis might salve all the matter yet to prevent exceptions in my next Edition the Lord shall be degraded into Sir William Stanley THE FIFTH BOOK Relating to the time of King Henry the Eight Dr. Heylin WE are now come to the busie times of King Henry the Eight in which the power of the Church was much diminisht though not reduced to such ill terms as our Author makes it We have him here laying his foundations to overthrow that little which is left of the Churches Rights His super-structures we shall see in the times ensuing more seasonable for the practise of that Authority which in this fifth Book he hammereth onely in the speculation Fuller I deny and defie any such Designe to overthrow the foundations of the Churches right If the foundations be destroyed what can the righteous doe I● my Back could butterresse them up it should not be wanting However I am not sensible that any such invasion was made on the true property of the Church but that the King resumed what by God was invested in him and what by the Pope was unjustly taken from him though none can justifie every particular in the managery of the Reformation Dr. Heylin But first we will begin with such Animadversions as relate unto this time and story as they come in our way leaving such principles and positions as concern the Church to the close of all where we shall draw them all together that our discourse and observations thereupon may come before the Reader without interruption And the first thing I meete with is a fault of Omission Dr. Newlen who succeeded Dr. Iackson in the Presidentship of Corpus Christi Colledge in Oxford Anno 1640 by a free election and in a statutable way being left out of our Authors Catlogue of the Presidents of C. C. C. in Oxford fol. 166. and Dr. Stanton who came in by the power of the Visitors above eight years after being placed therein Which I thought fit though otherwise of no great moment to take notice of that I might doe the honest man that right which our Author doth not Fuller Would the Animadvertor had given me the Christian as well as the Sir●name of the Doctor that I may enter it in my next Edition But I will endeavour some other wayes to recover it Such and greater Omisions often attend the Pens of the most exact Authors Witnesse the Lord Stanhop created Baron of Harington in Narthampton-shire ●ertio Iacobi left out in all the Editions Latine and English of the Industrious and Judicious Mr. Camden though his junior Baron the Lord Arundel of Wardour be there inserted This his omission proceeded not from the least neglect as I protest my Innocence in the casual preterition of Dr. Newlen Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 168. King Henry endeavoured an uni●ormity of Grammer all over his Dominions that so youths though changing their School-Masters might keep their learning That this was endeavoured by King Henry and at last enjoyned I shall easily grant But then our Author should have told us if at least he knew it that the first hint thereof proceeded from the Convocation in the year 1530 in which complaint being made Quod multiplex varius in Scholis Grammaticalibus modus esset docendi c. That the multiplicitie of Grammers did much hurt to learning it was thought meet by the Prelates and Clergy then assembled Ut una eadem edatur formula auctoritate hujus sacrae Synodi in qualibet singula Schola Grammaticali per Cantuariensem Provinciam usitanda edocenda that is to say that one onely form of teaching Grammar should be enjoyned from thenceforth by the Authority of the Convocation to be used in all the Grammar Schools of the Province of Canterbury Which being so agreed upon Lilly then Schoolmaster of St. Pauls School was thought the fittest man for that undertaking and he performed his part so well that within few years after it was enjoyned by the Kings Proclamation to be used in all the Schools throughout the Kingdom But here we are to note withall that our Author anticipates this businesse placing it in the eleventh year of this King Anno 1519. whereas the Convocation took not this into consideration till the eighth of March Anno 1530. and certainly would not have medled in it then if the King had setled and enjoyned it so long before Fuller The Animadvertor discovers much indiscretion in cavelling at a well-timed truth in my Book and substituting a falshood in the room thereof The endeavor of Henry the eight for uniformity of Grammar throughout all his Dominions begun as I have placed it one thousand five hundred and nineteen William Lillie being the prime person imployed for the composure thereof Indeed it met not with universal Reception for some years babits not being easily deposed and therefore the Convocation concurring with the Kings pleasure therein added their assistance in the year 1530. as the Animadvertor observeth and soon after by the Kings Proclamation the matter was generally effected But whereas he sayth That after that time 1530. William Lillye was thought the fittest man for that undertaking Let me tell him That a man dead five if not eight years before was not fit to make a Grammar I appeal to Bale and Pitts both which render William Lillye to dye in the year 1525. but mistaken herein For indeed he dyed three years before if the Epitaph on his Monument made by his sonne George Lillye may be believed in a brass plate near the great North dore of St. Pauls Gulielmo Lilio Paulinae Scholae olim Preceptori Primario Agneti Conjugi in Sacratissimo hujus Templi coemiterio hinc à tergo nunc destructo consepultis Georgius Lillius hujus Ecclesiae Canonicus parentum memoriae piae consulens Tabellam hanc ab amicis conservatam hic reponendam curavit Obiit ille G. L. Anno Dom. 1522. Calend. Mart. Vixit annos 54. Wherefore this unnecessary Animadversion to correct what was right before might very well have been spared Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 168. Howsoever it is probable some other Gardiner gathered the Flowers made the Collections though King Henry had the honor to wear the Posie I am not ignorant that the making of the Kings Book against Martin Luther is by some Popish Writers ascribed to Dr. Iohn Fisher then Bishop of Rochester But this Cavil was not made till after this King had rejected the Popes Supremacy and consequently the lesse credit to be given unto it It is well known that his Father King Henry the seventh designed him for the Archbishoprick of Canterbury and to that end caused him to be trained up in all parts of learning which might enable him for that place But his eldest brother Prince Arthur dying and himself succeeding in the Crown though he had laid aside the thoughts of being
a fourth part of Protestants according to his own principles For if no Priests in France Low Countries Swisserland c. then no Sacraments then no Church then no Salvation Far more Charitie in those of the former Age. Bishop Andrews when he concurred with others of his own order in ordaining a Scotishman Bishop who as by proportion of time may be demonstrated received his Deaconship and Pristhood from the Presbytery conceived such ordination of validity when done though I beleeve in his judgement not so well approving the doing thereof Otherwise he would never have consented to make a meer Lay man per saltum a Bishop Dr. Heylin First for the Sabbath for the better day the better deed having repeated the chief heads of Dr. Bounds Book published Anno 1595. in which the Sabbatarian Doctrines were first set on foot he adds that learned men were much divided in their judgements about the same Fol. 228. Some saith he embraced them as ancient truths consonant to Scripture long disused and neglected now seasonably revived for the encrease of piety Amongst which some he that shall take our Author for one will not be much mistaken either in the man or in the matter For that he doth approve Bounds Doctrines in this particular c. Fuller The Animadvertor imposeth on me that which is contrary to my Judgemens I am not of Dr. Bounds Opinion who straineth the Sabbath too high yea the Animadvertor when writing against Mr. Le strange maketh use of above twenty lines out of my Book against him I am of the judgement of moderate men as I have clearly and largely stated it in my Church-History and will live and desire to dye in the maintenance thereof And I hope the Animadvertor will allow me to know my own judgement better than he doth I am not of the Animadvertors mind That the Lords day is alterable and of meer Ecclesiastical constitution much less dare I concur with him in his scandalous expression That the late Parliament hath by their Orders and Ordinances laid greater restraints on People than ever the Scribes and Pharises did on the Iews To what followeth in the Animadvertor concerning the Articles at Lambeth I return no other answer save this As a Historian I have written truly for matter of Fact And if as a Divine I have interposed something of my Judgement in those points I beleeve the Animadvertor if writing on the same subject would not appear more moderate Mean time I am sure he differs as much from me as I from him in these opinions and therefore I see no reason of his animositie on this ●ccount Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 179. Queen Elizabeth coming to the Crown sent for Abbot Fecknam to come to her whom the Messenger found setting of Elms in the Orchard of Westminster Abbey But he would not follow the messenger till first he had finished his Plantation The tale goes otherwise by Tradition than is here delivered and well it may For who did ever hear of any Elms in Westminster Orchard or to say truth of any Elms in any Orchard wha●soever of a late Plantation Elms are for Groves and Fields and Forests too cumbersom and overspreading to be set in Orchards c. Fuller When a Traveller on the High-way suddenly returns back again surely 't is to fetch some matter of moment which he hath forgotten and left behind him The Animadvertor in this his Note retreats above 50 pages in my Church-History viz. from fol. 233. to fol. 179. And what is this Retrograde motion for Even to carpe at Elmes which I say were set by Abbot Feckenham in the Orchard of the Dean of Westminster citing my Author Reynerius for the same whose words in horto I translate in the Orchard as more proper for Elmes than a Garden Thus have you my Tale and my Tales maker So that this wooden Animadversion might well have been spared THE TENTH BOOK Containing the Reign of King James Dr. Heylin OUr Author proceeeds Fol. 5. Watson with William Clark another of his own profession having fancied a notional Treason imparted it to George Brooks To these he after adds the Lord Cobham a Protestant the Lord Gray of Wh●ddon a Puritan and Sir Walter Rawleigh an able Statseman and some other Knights In the recital of which names our Author hath committed a double fault the one of omission and the other of commission A fault of omission in leaving out Sir Griffith Markam as much concerned as any of the principal actors designed to have been Secretary of Estate had the Plot succeeded and finally arraigned and condemned at Winchester as the others were Fuller I distinguish betwixt total Omission express Enumeration and implicit Inclusion Sir Griffith Markam cannot be said to be omitted by me because included in that clause and some other Knights Yea this whole treason had not at all sound any mention in my History not being bound to take cognizance thereof save for the two Priests who were engaged therein Dr. Heylin His fault of commission is his calling the Lord Gray by the name of the Lord Gray of Whaddon a fault not easily to be pardoned in so great an Herald whereas indeed though Whaddon in Buckinghamshire was part of his Estate yet Wilton in Herefordshire was his Barony and ancient Seat his Ancestors being call'd LL. Gray of Wilton to difference them from the Lord Gray of Reuthen the Lord Gray of Codnor c. Fuller A fault not so great neither in an Herauld seeing I call him not Lord Gray Baron of Whaddon but of Whaddon and a noble Person may be additioned either from his Honour or his Habitation Besides Wilton in Herefordshire long since being run into ruin those Lords some sixscore years agoe removed their residence to Whaddon in Bucks where some of them lived died and are bur●ed The Animadvertor made as great an omission in his Short view of K. Charles when mentioning his Tutor Mr. Murrey but quite leaving out Sir Iames Fullerton conjoyned with him in the same charge of the Princes education And a greater fault of Commission is he guilty of when taxing Mr. Murrey as disaffected to the English Church who when made Provost of Eaton took his oath and therein professed his good liking of our Discipline as in the Cabala doth appear To return to Whaddon the Animadvertor might have spared this his Note who in the Postcript annexed to this Book maketh Edward Lord Montagu created Baron of Broughton in Northamptonshire Now though the L. Montagu hath the Manor of Broughton with the appendant Advowson and other considerable Lands therein yet is he Baron of Boughton in the same County A mistake so much the greater in the Animadvertor because done in his Emendation of his Emendations of the faults of another so that he cannot hit it right in this his third endeavor This I had passed over in silence had not his cruelty on my Pen or Presse-slips occasioned me to
it would sufficiently secure them from a danger which though suspected was not certain to ensue This afterwards was very eagerly urged against them by a Committee in Parliament and sorry I am that they could not make their answer as clear as the objection Dr. Heylyn But whereas our Author tells us that the whole House consisted but of six score persons it may be thought that he diminisheth the number of set purpose to make his own party seem the greater For in the lower House of Convocation for the Province of Canterbury if all parties summon'd do appear these are no fewer then two and twenty Deans four and twenty Preb●ndaries fifty four Archdeacons and forty four Clerks representing the Dioc●san Clergy amounting in the totall to an hundred forty four persons whereof the thirty six Protestors if so many there were make the fourth part onely Howsoever all parties being not well satisfied with the lawfulness of their continuance his Majesty was advertis'd of it Who upon conference with his Judges and Counsell learned in the Laws caus'd a short Writing to be drawn and subscribed by their severall hands in these following words viz. at White-hall May the 10th 1640. the Convocation being called by the Kings Writ is to continue till it be dissolved by the Kings Writ notwithstanding the dissolving of the Parliament Subscribed by Finch Lord Keeper Manchester Lord Privy Seal Littleton chief Justice of the Common Pleas Banks Atturney Generall whit●ield and Heath his Majesties Serjeants Fuller I protest and now will enter my protestation in scriptis that it may be valid I had no designe either to substract from the number in the Convocation or add to those of the Dissentors I believe the Animadvertor is very right in his Arithmetick of Persons in the Provinciall Convocation of Canterbury But concerning the Arch-deacons give me leave once to enlarge my self in stating their true number because it is hard to find either a printed or written Catalogue of them which is exact herein They are generally reckoned up but FIFTY TWO as followeth The two first containing eighteen a piece the last sixteen which are but fifty two in my Arithmetick St. Asaph St. Asaph Bangor Bangor Anglesey Merioneth Bristol Dorset Bath and Wels. Wels. Bath Taunton Canterb. Canterbury Chichest Chichester Lewes Covent Lich. Stafford Derby Covent Salop. Ely Ely Exeter Exeter Cornwall Exeter To●nes Barnstaple Glocester Hereford Hereford Salop. London London Middlesex Essex Colchester St. Albans Lincoln Lincoln Stow. Bedford Buckingham Huntington Leicester Landaff Landaff St. Davids St. Davids St. Davids Carmarthen Cardigan Brecknock Norwich Norwich Norfolk Suffolk Sudbury Oxford Oxford Peterburg Northampton Rochester Rochester Salisbury Wilts Berks. Sarum Winchest Winchester Surrey Worcest Worcester This is the best printed List I have ever seen presented in Weaver's Funerall Monuments having the valuation of each Archdeaconry annexed taken as he saith and I believe him therein out of Sir Cotton's Library and yet I am sure it is not compleat Wherefore I supply Warwick in the Diocesse of Worcester as I find it in a more perfect written Catalogue And yet still one is wanting even Westminster who●e Church was advanced to the See of a Bishop by King Henry the Eighth and though since it hath been set back from a Cathedrall to a Collegiat-Church yet it still retaineth the honour to send one of their Prebendaries by the Title of their Arch-deacon to the Convocation And thus we have our full number of fifty four But whereas the Animadvertor taxeth me for saying The Convocation consisted of six-score I confess when I first read his words I had not a Church-History by me to confute it Yet I conceived such positiveness in a number improbable to fall from my Pen who had learn'd this Lesson from the best of Teachers the Spirit of God not to be peremptory but to leave a latitude in numbers of this nature In Times In Places In Persons Dan. 5.33 Darius being about threescore and two years 〈◊〉 Luk. 24.13 From Ierusalem about sixty furlongs Exod. 12.37 About six hundred thousand men on foot Luk. 3.23 Iesus began to 〈◊〉 about thirty years of age Joh. 6.19 Had rowed about five and twenty furlongs Act. 2.41 Added to the Church about three thousand souls But upon inspection of my Book my words were The whole House consisting of ABOUT six score where about is receptive of more or less Besides the Convocation as to the effectuall managing of matters properly consisted not of the Members belonging thereto but present therein and some five score and ten was the generall and constant appearance the rest being absent for age sicknesse and other detentions Dr. Heylyn Which Writing an Instrument our Author calls it being communicated to the Clergy by the Lord Arch-bishop on the morrow after did so compose the minds of all men that they went forwards very cheerfully with the work in hand The principall of those whom our Author calls Dissenters bringing in the Canon of Preaching for conformity being the eighth Canon in the Book as now they are plac'd which was received and allowed of as it came from his hand without alteration Fuller And calleth it an Instrument properly enough both to the originall notation and modern acception of the word Instrument is so termed ab instruendo from Instructing This Writing did first instruct Us at the present that by the judgment of those great States-men and Lawyers We might legally continue notwithstanding the dissolution of the Parliament And since this Writing hath by the event thereof instructed us that seeing the judgments of the Grandees in the Law were censured erroneous in Parliament it is unsafe in matters of this nature to rely on the opinions of any comparatively private persons As for the modern acception of the word I appeal to the Criticks in Language whether this Writing as the Animadvertor is fain to term it of the Judges may not be called by the generall name of Instrument harmoniously enough to the propriety thereof Dr. Heylyn Howsoever our Author keeps himself to his former folly shutting up his extravagancy with this conclusion fol. 169. Thus was an old Convocation converted into a new Synod An expression borrowed from the speech of a witty Gentleman as he is called by the Author of the History of the Reign of King Charls and since by him declar'd to be the Lord George Digby now Earl of Bristow But he that spent most of his wit upon it and thereby gave occasion unto others for the like mistakings was Sir Edward Deering in a speech made against these Canons Anno 1640. where we find these flourishes Would you confute the Convocation They were a holy Synod Would you argue against the Synod Why they were Commissioners Would you dispute the Commission They will mingle all powers together and answer that they were some fourth thing that neither we know nor imagine that is to say as it followes afterwards pag. 27. a Convocationall-Synodicall-Assembly of
I know that as the Times stand I am to expect nothing for my pains and Travel but the displeasure of some and censure of others Fuller I will take no advantage by the Times and if without their help I cannot Bwoy up my credit let it sink for ever And I humbly desire all who have or may reap benefit by my Books not to be displeased with the Animadvertor in my behalfe It is Punishment enough that he hath written and too much for his Stationer that he hath printed so impertinent a Book When Henry Lord Hunsdon on the High-way had in Passion given a Blow to Sir Henry Colt the Lord had it returned him the Principal with Interest and when the Lord his Servants and Followers began to draw their Swords Away away said he cannot I and my Neighbour exchange a Box on the Ear but you must interest your selves in the matter Let none of my Friends and Favourers engage their anger in this difference betwixt Mee and the Animadvertor Let us alone and although we enter Adversaries in the Beginning wee shall I hope go out friends at the end of the Contest after there hath been a Pass or two betwixt our Selves Thus Heats betwixt Lawyers born at the Bar in Westminster-Hall are commonly buryed at the Board in the Inns of Court Dr. Heylyn But coming to the work with a single Heart abstracted from all self-ends and Interests I shall satisfie my Self with having done this poor Service to the Church my once blessed Mother for whose sake only I have put my Self upon this Adventure The party whom I am to deal with is so much a stranger to me that he is neither beneficio nec injuriâ notus and therefore no particular respects have mov'd me to the making of these Animadversions Which I have writ without Relation to his person for vindication of the Truth the Church and the injured Clergy as before is said So that I may affirm with an honest Conscience Non lecta est operi sed data causa meo That this imployment was not chosen by me but impos'd upon me the unresistable Intreaties of so many friends having something in them of Commands But howsoever Iacta est alea as Caesar once said when he passed over the Rubicon I must now take my fortune whatsoever it proves So God speed me well Fuller How much of this SELF-DENYING ORDINANCE is performed by him let the Reader judge in due time I am glad to hear this Passage from the Animadvertor that I never did him any Injury the rather because some of my Friends have charged me for provoking his Pen against me And though I pleaded that neither in Thought Word or Deed I ever did him any wrong I hardly prevailed with them for beliefe And now the Animadvertor hath cleared me that I never did any Injury unto him Would I could say the same of him that he never did me any Injury However as a Christian I here fully and freely forgive him and hereafter will endevour as a Scholar so to defend my self against his Injury that God willing it shall not shake my Contentment Without relation to my person let the Reader be Judge hereof Indeed Thomas hath been well used by him but Fuller hath soundly felt his displeasure However if Truth the Church and Clergy have been abused by me He hath given Me too fair quarter who deserved Death down-right for so hainous an Offence Amongst all which Persons inciting him to write against me one Letter sent to him from Regina Pecunia was most prevalent with him Witnesse this his Book offered to and refused by some Stationers because on his high terms they could not make a saving Bargain to themselves Iacta est alea. The English is you have cast the Dey And seeing the Animadvertor hath begun the Metaphor I hope I may make it an Allegory without rendring either of us Scandalous I appeal to the Reader whom I make Groom Porter termed by Mr. Camb. Aleatorum Arbiter and let him judge who plays with False who Coggs who slurrs a Dey and in a doubtful Case when we cannot agree upon the Cast betwixt our selves let him decide it By Fortune I presume the Animadvertor intendeth nothing derogatory to divine Providence in which Sense St. Augustin retracteth his former frequent using of the Word Only he meaneth uncertainty of Successe In which notion I say an hearty Amen to his Prayer when I have enlarged his God speed me into God speed US well May he who manageth this Controversie with most Sincerity come off with best Successe AMEN Errata confessed by the Printer of Dr. Heylyns Animadversions PAge 10. line 17. for Helkinus r. Telkinus p. 20. l. 21. for Queen of r. Queen of England p. 27. l. 6. for Wooderpoir r. Woodensdike p. 42. l. 1. for inconsideratenesse r. the inconsideratenesse of Children p. 121. l. f28 for ter r. better p. 145. l. 2. for statuendo● statuendi p. 15 l. 22. Horcon●nar r. cantuur p. 154. l. 17. for Dr. Hammond r. Dr. Boke p. 160. l. 1. for his r. this p. 163. l. 28. for Jesuites r. Franciscans p. 189. l. ult 2 or contemn r. confession p. 221. in the Marg. for whether r. with other p. 228. l. 2. for Den r. Dean p. 239. l. 9. for Commons r. Canons p. 271. l. ult for culis r. ocul●s Fuller THis is a Catalogue of Prelal Mis●akes committed and confessed in the Doctor 's Book of Animadversions and here by me inserted not to disparage the pains of c●re of the Printer but on these Considerations First to prevent all Exceptions that I have defectively presented in his Book Secondly to show that sometimes as here there may be an Erratum Erratorum to be re-reformed It thus beginneth Page 10. l. 17. for Melkinus r. Tolkinus That is read that which is wrong instead of tha● which was right before For a M●lkinus Avalonius appeareth in Bale Pits and others but a Telkinus was never in Nature But Take notice also of this confessed Mistake p. 163. l. 28. for Iesuits r. Franciscans There is here no temptation to the Press to Erre there being betwixt the two Words no literal Similitude or Orthographical Symbolizing scarce a letter in the one which is in the other I make no other use hereof save only to crave the like Favour in my own Defence when in the Earls of March Roger is misprinted Edward and in the Earls of Bath Henry is misprinted William in my Church History I confess there be some Press faults in this my Book as for Prelial wherever occurring read Prelal part 1. p. 50. l. 32. for Anno Dom. 580 r. 560. part 1. p. 52. l. 18. for DEMOL r. DEINOL and part 2. page 88. betwixt the 33. and 34 l. insert I pray Papists Non-conformists and covetous Conformists the Acts therein appearing like For the rest I hope they are nothing so many or great as to discompose the sense and therefore I confide in
that some two years since being informed by our friend Mr. Davenport that you took some exceptions at what I had written concerning you in my Church-History I returned you an Answer to this Effect That I would make you just reparation either in the next Edition of my History or in another Book which I was about to set forth Of the Worthies of England choosing therein the most proper and conspicuous place which might render it most visible to the Reader This last Book had since been printed had not the unhappy difference between Dr. Heylyn and me retarded it What I wrote concerning your Accusation in the House of Commons I transcribed out of the Manuscript journalls of that House As for your purgation in the House of Lords I knew not thereof which maketh such my omssion the more excusable I am now right glad that you did so clearly vindicate your innocence In my next Edition I will do you all possile right with improvement that my Pen can perform as also God Willing when I come to treat in my intended Book of the Cathedrall of Durham In the mean time joyning with Hundreds more of my Profession in thanks to you for your worthy Work on the Apocrypha and desiring the Continuation and increase of Gods blessing on your studies who do abide the Champion for our Religion in forraign parts know that amongst your many honourers you have none more affectionate than Your humble Servant Thomas Fuller To the Religious Learned and Ingenuous Reader EPistles to the Reader by way of Preparation are properly placed in the front of a Book but those by way of Recollection follow best in the Reare thereof If you have had the Leisure and Patience to peruse this Book you deserve the Name of a Reader indeed and I do as heartily wish as charitably hope Thee Qualified with those three Epithets wherewith I have intitled thee I must now accost thee in the Language of the Levite to the Tribes of Israell CONSULT CONSIDER and GIVE SENTENCE Deal truly and unpartially betwixt me and the Animadvertor please thine owne Conscience though thou displeasest us and adjudge in thy selfe where neither of Us where both of Us where one of Us which one of Us is in the right Onely this I will add for my Comfort and thy better Confidence in reading my Book that according to the received Rule in Law Exceptio firmat Regulam in non-Exceptis it followeth proportionably that Animadversio firmat Regulam in non-Animadversis And if so by the Tacite Consent of my Adversary himselfe all other passages in my Book are allowed Sound and True save these few which fall under his reproof and how justly I submit my Cause to thy Censure and thy Person to Gods keeping remaining Thine in Jesus Christ. Thomas Fuller Cranford Moate-House To my Loving Friend Doctor Peter Heylyn I Hope Sir that we are not mutually Un-friended by this Difference which hath happened betwixt us And now as Duellers when they are Both out of breath may stand still and Parley before they have a Second passe let us in cold Blood exchange a Word and mean time let us depose at least suspend our Animosities Death hath crept into both our Clay-Cottages through the Windows your Eyes being Bad mine not Good God mend them both And Sanctifie unto us these Monitors of Mortality and however it fareth with our Corporeall sight send our Souls that Collyrium and Heavenly Eye-salve mentioned in Scripture But indeed Sir I conceive our Time Pains and Parts may be better expended to Gods Glory and the Churches Good than in these needlesse Contentions Why should Peter fall out with Thomas both being Disciples to the same Lord and Master I assure you Sir whatever you conceive to the contrary I am Cordiall to the cause of the English Church and my Hoary Ha●res will go down to the Grave in sorrow for her Sufferings You well remember the passage in Homer how wise Nestor bemoaned the unhappy difference betwixt Agamemnon and Achilles 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 O gods how great the grief of Greece the while And Priams selfe and Sons do sweetly smile Yea all the Trojan party swell with Laughter That Greeks with Greeks fall out and fight to Slaughter Let me therefore tender unto you an Expedient in Tendency to our mutuall Agreement You know full well Sir how in Heraldry two Lioncells Rampant endorsed are said to be the Embleme of two Valiant Men keeping appointment and meeting in the Field but either forbidden fight by their Prince or departing on Tearms of Equallity agreed betwixt themselves Whereupon turning Back to Back neither Conquerors nor Conquered they depart the Field severall wayes their Stout Stomacks not suffering them both to go the same way left it be accounted an I●jury one to precede the other In like manner I know you disdain to allow me your Equall in this Controversie betwixt us and I will not allow you my Superiour To prevent future Tro●ble let it be a Drawn Battle and let both of us abound in our owne sense severally perswaded in the Truth of what we have written Thus parting and going out Back to Back here to cut off all Contest about Precedency I hope we shall meet in Heaven Face to Face hereafter In Order whereunto God Willing I will give you a meeting when and where you shall be pleased to appoint that we who have Tilted Pens may shake Hands together St. Paul writing to Philemon concerning Onesimus saith For perhaps he therefore departed for a season that thou mightest receive him for ever To avoid exceptions you shall be the good Philemon I the fugitive Onesimus W●o knoweth but that God in his providence permitted yea ordered this difference to happen betwixt us not onely to occasion a reconciliation but to consolidate a mutuall friendship betwixt us during our Lives and that the surviver in Gods pleasure onely to appoint may make favourable and respectfull mention of him who goeth first to his grave The desire of him who remaines SIR A Lover of your Parts and an Honourer of your Person THO. FULLER FINIS To Dr. Cornelius Burges SIR I could have wished that in your book entituled a Case concerning the buying of Bishops Lands with the lawfullnesse thereof c. you had forborn this following expression against me Part. 1. pag. 7. As that flashy jeering Author of the late published History of the Church upon hear-say onely and out of Resolution calumniari fortiter hath falsely reported him Let us go back to the occasion of these words When Dr. Hacket May the 11th 1641. made a Speech in behalfe of the Deans and Chapters of England for the preventing of the alienation of their Lands and revenues you returned an Answer thereunto and about the conclusive Result thereof is our present contest Dr. Burges You say you onely concluded those things unalienable from the Church
and Author's Joynt-desires might have taken Effect there had been no difference about this passage in my Book Tuque domo proprià nos Te Praesul Poteremur Thou hadst enjoy'd thy house and we Prelate had enjoyed Thee But alas it is so He is still and still when all other Bishops are released detained in the Tower where I believe he maketh Gods Service his perfect freedom My words as relating to the time when I wrote them containe too much sorrowfull truth therein Dr. Heylyn Fourthly Archbishop Williams after his restoring unto liberty ●ent not into the Kings Quarters as our Author saith but unto one of his own houses in Yorkshire where he continued till the year 1643. and then came to Oxford not that he found the North too cold for him or the War too hot but to solicit for ren●wing of his Commendam in the Deanry of Westminster the time for which he was to hold it drawing towards an end Fuller Nothing false or faulty The Arch-bishop of York stayed some weeks after his enlargement at Westminster thence he went privately to the house of Sir Thomas Hedley in Huntingon shire and thence to his Palace at Ca●ood nigh York where he gave the King a magnificent Intertainment King James setled the Deanry of Westminster under the great Seal on Dr. Williams so long as he should continue Bishop of Lincoln Hinc illa Lacrimae hence the great heaving and hussing at Him because He would not resigne it which was so signal a Monument of his Master's favour unto him Being Arch-bishop of York King Charls confirmed his Deanry unto him for three years in lieu of the profits of his Arch-bishoprick which the King had taken Sede vacante So that it is probable enough the renuing that Tearm might be a Joynt-Motive of his going to Oxford But I see nothing which I have written can be cavilled at except because I call Yorkshire the King's Quarters which as yet was the Kings WHOLE when the Arch-bishop first came thither as being a little before the War began though few Weeks after it became the King's Quarters Such a Prolepsis is familiar with the best Historians and in effect is little more then when the Animadvertor calleth the Gag and Appello Caesarem the Books of Bishop Montague who when they were written by him was no though soon after a Bishop Dr. Heylyn Our Author proceeds fol. 196. Some of the aged Bishops had their tongues so used to the language of a third Estate that more then once they ran on that reputed Rock in their speeches for which they were publickly shent and enjoyned an acknowledgment of their mistake By whom they were so publickly shent and who they were that so ingenuously acknowledged their mistake as my Author telleth us not so neither can I say whether it be true or false Fuller I tell you again It is true The Earl of Essex and the Lord Say were two of the Lords though this be more then I need discover who checked them And of two of those Bishops Dr. Hall late Bishop of Norwich is gone to God and the other is still alive Dr. Heylyn But I must needs say that there was small ingenuity in acknowledging a mistake in that wherein they had not been mistaken or by endeavouring to avoid a reputed Rock to run themselves on a certain Rock even the Rock of Scandall Fuller Their brief and generall acknowledgment that they vvere sorry that they had spoken in this point vvhat had incurred the displeasure of the Temporall Lords was no trespass on their own ingenuity nor had shadovv of scandall to others therein I confess men must not bear fals-witness either against themselves or others nor may they betray their right especially when they have not onely a personall concernment therein but also are in some sort Feoffees in trust for Posterity However vvhen a predominant Power plainly appears which will certainly over-rule their cause against them without scandall they may not to say in Christian prudence they ought to wave the vindication of their priviledges for the present waiting wishing and praying for more moderate and equall times wherein they may assert their right with more advantage to their cause and less danger to their persons Dr. Heylyn For that the English Bishops had their vote in Parliament as a third Estate and not in the capacity of temporal Barons will evidently appear by these reasons following For first the Clergy in all other Christian Kingdoms of these Northwest parts make the third Estate that is to say in the German Empire as appears by Thuanus the Historian lib. 2. In France as is affirmed by Paulus Aemilius lib. 9. In Spain as testifieth Bodinus in his De Repub. lib. 3. For which consult also to the Generall History of Spain as in point of practise lib. 9 10 11 14. In Hungary as witnesseth Bonfinius Dec. 2. l. 1. In Poland as is verified by Thunus also lib. 56. In Denmark as Pontanus telleth us in Historia rerum Danicarum l. 7. The Swedes observing antiently the same form and order of Government as was us'd by the Danes The like we find in Camden for the Realm of Scotland in which antiently the Lords Spirituall viz. Bishops Abbots Priors made the third Estate And certainly it were very strange if the Bishops and other Prelates in the Realm of England being a great and powerfull body should move in a lower Sphere in England then they do elsewhere But secondly not to stand onely upon probable inferences we find first in the History of Titus Livius touching the Reign and Acts of King Henry the fifth that when his Funerals were ended the three Estates of the Realm of England did assemble toge●her and declared his Son King Henry the sixth being an Infant of eight months old to be their Soveraign Lord as his Heir and Successor And if the Lords Spirituall did not then make the third Estate I would know who did Secondly the Petition tendred to Richard Duke of Glocester to accept the Crown occurring in the Parliament Rolls runs in the name of the three Estates of the Realm that is to say The Lords Spirituall and Temporall and the Commons thereof Thirdly in the first Parliament of the said Richard lately Crowned King it is said expresly that at the request and by the consent of the three Estates of this Realm that is to say the Lords Spirituall and Temporall and Commons of this Land assembled in this present Parliament and by Authority of the same it be pronounced decreed and declared That our said Soveraign Lord the King was and is the very and undoubted King of this Realm of England c. Fourthly it is acknowledged so in the Statute of 1 Eliz. cap. 3. where the Lords Spirituall and Temporall and the Commons in that Parliament assembled being said expresly and in terminis to represent the three Estates of this Realm of England did recognize the Queens Majesty to be their true
lawfull and undoubted Soveraign Liege Lady and Queen Add unto these the Testimony of Sir Edward Cook though a private person who in his Book of the Jurisdiction of Courts published by order of the long Parliament chap. 1. doth expr●sly say That the Parliament consists of the Head and Body that the Head is the King that the Body are the three Estates viz. the Lords Spirituall and Temporall and Commons In which words we have not onely the opinion and testimony of that learned Lawyer but the Authority of the long Parliament also though against it selfe Those aged Bishops had been but little studied in their owne concernments and betray'd their Rights if any of them did acknowledge any such mistake in challenging to themselves the name and priviledges of the third Estate Fuller In this long discourse the Animadvertor hath given in the severall Particulars whereof I in my Church-History gave the Totall summe when saying that there were passages in the old Statutes which did countenance the Bishops sitting in Parliament in the Capacity of a THIRD ESTATE I have nothing to returne in Opposition and heartily wish that his Arguments to use the Sea-man's phrase may prove stanche and tight to hold water when some Common-Lawyer shall examine them But seeing the Animadvertor hath with his commendable paines go● so farre in this point I could wish he had gon a little further even to answer the two Common Objections against the THIRD-ESTATE SHIP of Bishops The First is this The Bishop not to speak of Bishops Suffragan of the Isle of Man is a Bishop for all purposes and intents of Jurisdiction and ordination yet hath he no place in Parliament because not holding per In egram Baroniam by an Intire Barony Now if Bishops sat in Parliament as a THIRD-ESTATE and not as so many Barons why hath not the Bishop of Man being in the Province of York a place in Parliament as well as the rest Secondly If the Bishops sit as a THIRD-ESTATE then Statutes made without them are man● and defective which in law will not be allowed seeing there were some Sessions of Parliament wherein Statutes did passe Excluso Clero at least wise Absente Clero which notwithstanding are acknowledged Obligatory to our Nation I also request him when his Hand is in to satisfie the Objection taken from a passage in the Parliament at Northampton under Henry the Second when the Bishops challenged their Peerage viz. Non sedemus hîc Episcopi sed Barones Nos Barones vos Barones Pares hîc sumus We sit not here as Bishops but as Barons We are Barons You are Barons here we are peers which is much inforced by Anti-Episcopists And whereas the Animadvertor translated it not as Bishops onely it is more then questionable that this interpolation ONLY will not be admitted by such who have a mind curiously to examine the matter I protest my integrity herein that I have not started these Objections of my selfe having had them urged against me and though I can give a bungling Answer unto them I desire that the Animadvertor being better skill'd in Law would be pleased if it ever comes again in his way to returne an Answer as short and clear as the Objections are and I and many more will be bound to returne him thanks Dr. Heylyn Our Author proceeds Fol. 196. The Con●ocation now not sitting and matters of Religion being brought under the cognizance of the Parliament their Wisdoms adjudged it not onely convenient but necessary that some prime Clergy men might be consulted with It seems then that the setting up of the new Assembly consisting of certain Lords and Gentlemen and two or more Divines out of every County must be ascrib'd to the not sitting of the Convocation Whereas if that had been the reason the Convocation should have been first warned to re-assemble with liberty and safe conducts given them c. Fuller The Animadvertor now enters the list with the WISDOMS in Parliament who are most able to justifie their owne Act. Mean time my folly may stand by in silence unconcerned to return any Answer Dr. Heylyn Fol. 198. It savours something o● a Prelaticall Spirit to be offended about Precedency I see our Author is no Changeling Primus ad extremum similis sibi the very same at last as he was at the first Certainly if it savour of a Prelaticall Spirit to contend about Precedencies that Spirit by some ●ythagorean Metempsychosis hath passed into the bodies of the Presbyterians whose pride had swell'd them in conceit above Kings and Princes and thus cometh home to our Author c. Fuller If it cometh home unto me I will endeavour God-willing to thrust it far from me by avoiding the odious sin of Pride And I hope the Presbyterians will herein make a reall and practicall refutation of this note in Evidencing more Humility hereafter seasonably remembring they are grafted on the Stock of the Bishops and are concerned not to be high-minded but feare lest if God spared not Episcopacy for what sins I am not to enquire peaceably possessed above a Thousand years of Power in the Church of England take heed that he spare not Presbytery also which is but a Probationer on its good behaviour especially if by their insolence they offend God and disoblige our Nation the generality whereof is not over-fond of their Go●ernment Dr. Heylyn Our Author proceeds Fol. 203. We listen not to their fancy who have reckoned the words in the Covenant six hundred sixty six c. I must confesse my selfe not to be so much a Pythagorean as to find Divinity in Numbers nor am taken with such Mysteries as some fancy in them And yet I cannot chuse but say that the Number of Six hundred sixty six words neither more nor less which are found in the Covenant though they conclude nothing yet they signifie something Our Author cannot chuse but know what pains were taken even in the times of Irenaeus to find out Antichrist by this number Some thinking then that they had found it in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with reference to the persecuting Roman Emperours Some Protestants think that they had found it in a Dedication to Pope Paul the fifth which was Paulo V to Vice-Deo the numerall letters whereof that is to say D.C.L.V.V.V.I. amount exactly unto six hundred sixty six which is the Number of the Beast in Revelation The Papists on the other side find it in the name of Luther but in what language or how speld I remember not And therefore whosoever he was which made this Observation upon the Covenant he deserves more to be commended for his wit then condemned for his idlenesse Fuller The Animadvertor might herein have allowed me the Liberty of Preterition a familiar figure in all Authors managed by them with Taceo praetermitto transeo we passe by listen not c. when relating things Either Parva of small moment Nota generally known Ingrata unwelcome to many Readers Under which of