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A89552	The just measure of a personall treatie between the Kings Majesty, and both Houses of Parliament. Grounded on divinity, reason, history, divine and humane, common and civill lawes; with many other authentick authors. By R.M. of the middle Temple, Esquire.	R. M., of the Middle Temple, Esquire.	1648 (1648)	Wing M72; Thomason E451_40; ESTC R202844	16,371	20

The just measure of A Personall Treatie BETWEEN The KINGS Majesty And both Houses of PARLIAMENT Grounded on Divinity Reason History Divine and Humane Common and Civill Lawes with many other authentick Authors By R. M. of the middle Temple Esquire Printed in the Yeere 1648. The just measure of a personall Treaty between the Kings Majesty and both Houses of Parliament There are these only waies to reform these innovations and to prevent the ruin of the Kingdome 1. By a personall Treaty and how conditioned 2. If that may not be obtained so qualified from the Houses it is lawfull to levy Warre against them and that VVarre is hereby proved just A Personall Treaty between His Majestie and the two Houses of Parliament would be a Soveraigne remedy against the innovations and growing evills of this Kingdome and an assured meanes to settle a firme peace in it provided that this Treaty be thus qualified both for the manner and matter of it for if it be otherwise I am much afraid it will prove both unprofitable and ineffectuall First it ought to be when his Majestie is free and at liberty without any preingagement on his Majesties part either by concession of any thing which they demand as an inducement thereunto at least of the most materiall things which the Treaty should consist of such as the Militia the setling of Presbyteriall Government and the rest now lately offered to his Majesty to be granted unto them for untill his Majestie be set free and at liberty without any conditions preceding unto it His Majestie cannot properly or securely for the good of the people treat of any matter conducing to a Peace a Grotius de jure belli pacis lib. 3. cap. 10. sect 3. Nam as learned Grotius saith Rex qui aetatis est ejus quae judicii maturitatem non habet qui imminutae mentis est qui captivus aut exul pacem facere non potost A King that is under age of an infirme mind a captive or an exile cannot treat of or conclude a peace And else where b Grotius lib. 3. cap. 20. sect 2 Sicut Rex infans jus habet sed imperium exercere non potest sic furiosus captivus As a King that is an infant hath right to govern but cannot exercise his dominion no more can a King that is a mad man or a Prisoner and without the King there can be no peace made treated on or concluded in this Kingdome for the King having by the Law of England the Soveraigne or supreme power of the Realme as is amply manifested by the precedent discourse he hath the only power to make peace and war as the same Author observes c Grot. l. 3. c. 20. Sect. 2 Pactiones inire quae bellum finiant eorum est quorum est bellum Rei enim suae quisque est moderator unde sequitur ut in bello utroque publico hoc eorum sit qui summum imperii exercendi jus habent Regis igitur hoc erit in statu verè regio modò is Rex etiam jus non habet impeditum It is their office and to them it belongs to make leagues or pactions to end a warre to whom the right of making warre belongs for every one ought to be a moderator in his owne affaire from whence it followes that in every publique warre it is their right to make warre or peace which have the right to exercise the soveraigne power therfore it is the Kings right only to make warre or peace in his Kingdom so that the Kings right be not hindred in the exercise of it that is by infancy imprisonment or the like infirmities aforesaid this is the judgement of a most learned man what fruit then can be expected of or from a Treaty with his Majesty dureing his restreint or imprisonment certainly none nay if his Majesty should grant what they desire dureing his imprisonment and being inforced thereunto for his enlargement what validity were there in such a grant certainly none it being a cleere truth as that great Lawyer Bracton observes d Bract. l. 2 c. 5 sect 14. f. 17. Quod in nullo casu valet donatio cùm quis fuerit in Prisona vel quia hoc facit per coactionem quia potestatem sui non habet nec eorum quae sua esse debent potestatem habebit sicut ille qui in servitute fuerit nihil possidere poterit quia possidetur ita nec ille qui possidetur ab hostibus vel detentus fuerit a concession or grant is in no case valid so long as a man is in prison where he is in prison by force and not by right where he is inforced to make such grant because he hath not then the power of himselfe and having not power of himselfe he hath not power of any thing that is his for as he which is in servitude can possesse nothing because he is possest so neither can he which is in the possession of his enemies or deteined by them in prison neither can we from any rule of policie expect that whatsoever the King is inforced to grant by any restraint or coertion if the grant were in it selfe good the thing could be of any continuance since the nature of all grants and accords is to be voluntary therefore Clement Edmonds in his observations upon Caesars Commentaries well noteth e Clem. Edm. p. 629. That no accord made by force can be truely kept and Machiavel plainly excuses the breach of them saying f Mach. Discourse upon Livy pag. 629. that it is no dishonour to violate those promises grants or accords which by force a man is constreined to make and that promises or accords extorted regarding the publique wil be broken without the disgrace of him that breaks them upon this ground did the Estates g of France refuse to submit to that accord tréaty of Peace made between K. Edward of England and John King of France who was taken at the battell of Poitiers and brought by King Edward Prisoner into England where the said treaty and accord was made during his imprisonment upon the like ground did King Francis the first of that name King of France avoid his treaty and accord made which Charles the Emperor whilst he was Prisoner at Madrill in Spaine by which treaty he was obliged to grant unto the Emperor all his right in the Dutchy of Burgundy which after he was set at liberty he refused to doe because that accord was made during his restreint By these authorities presidents I conclude that it is necessary that the King should be set at liberty before he can be in a condition to grant or treat of any thing concerning the publique order for the good of the subject The place where the treaty must be is also of consideration for the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament can treat with the King in no other place then in the Lords house at

Westminster the King sitting upon the Throne or chaire of State they being no way enabled by the Law to treat with him in any other place or manner and in this place they are by the tenor of their Writ it being thus i Regist Bri. Cooks Instit 4. par p. Rex Vicecomiti salutem quia nos de avisamento assessensu Concilii nostri pro quibusdam arduis urgentibus negotiis nostris statum defensionem regni nostri Angliae Ecclesiae Anglicanae concernentibus quoddam Parliamentum apud Westmonast teneri ordinaverimus sbid cum Praelatis magnatibus proceribus dicti regni nostri colloquium habere tractatum c. by this Writ the Lords have a power to treat with the King sitting in their House of matters concerning the defence of the Realme and of the Church of England and the Commons may be present and are to consent to what the King and Lords shall agree of and in no other manner or place can they legally or with their owne safety treat with the King for as free Princes or equals they cannot treat with him the Law having invested them with no such powers or dignities the King being caput Regni and by the Law indowed with the Soveraigne power of the Realme and they being but Subjects and inferiour to him in all degrees either of power or abilities whatsoever In this capacity therefore as free Princes or equalls they cannot treat with him if they treat with the King any where but in Parliament and that of making of peace which is the ending of warre already begun by them and yet prosecuted against him and his loyall Subjects They must treat with him as his Subjects and if as his Subjects they therein will accuse themselves to be Traytors or Rebells in that they must treat of laying downe those Armes that they have unlawfully raised against him Therefore if they would follow mine advice they should treat with His Majesty in no other place then the Lords House and onely of those things that by their Writ they are inabled to viz. De arduis urgentibus negotiis Regem statum defensionem Regni Angliae Ecclesiae Anglicanae concernentibus Of those things that cencerne the preservation and defence of the King his state and dignity and of the Realme and Church of England and not to consult of a meanes or to demand those things that tend to the ruine and destruction of them all But in case the two Houses will not admit the King to come to the Lords House to treat with them or that if they should they demand of him those things that he neither can or ought to grant or part withall as the Militia his Negative voice or the destruction of the Church being intrusted with them by God and the Lawes for the good of the people committed to his charge and for whom he must give an account to God The Question will then properly fall out to be in the next place Whether the people of England may not justly levy Warre against them and whether the Warre be not just which Question I shall hold affirmatively Each Warre ought to have its foundation in reason and force imployed to a right use is no other then a servant to reason if then the two Houses shall deny a personall Treaty to his Majesty so qualified as afore-said whereby the Kingdome may be preserved from ruine it is agreeable to right reason that the people should use force and levy warre upon them to inforce them thereunto for when ordinary remedies doe faile by the rule of right reason men are warranted and bound for their owne preservation to recurre to extraordinary meanes provided that they be in themselves lawfull and therefore since the Houses have denyed the King a personall Treaty de integro tying him up to termes of condescention to the most weighty matters which should be the subject of the Treaty before they will entertaine a Treaty with him for the rest which can be onely of matters of small or no importance His Majesty having granted the things they demand of him before-hand the people may aid the King who is by the Law their only protector with their Armes for regaining their owne lawfull Liberties and His Majesties just Rights which will never be restored unto them by petitioning or any other civill course and therefore Grotius saith Vbi judicia deficiunt incipit bellum k Gro. l. 2. c. 1. sect 2. where legall or civill remedies are wanting or denied War may justly begin Plerique saith the same Author bellorum tres statunnt causas justas defensionem recuperationem rerum punitionem Most men do determine these three causes of Warre to be just defence of themselves recovery of their goods or estates and punishment for injuries done for as S. Augustine l Aug de fivit Dei l. 4. saith Injuria partis adversae justa bella ingerit an injury done by the Adverse Party doth ground a just Warre and what are just Warres he tells us in another place m Aug. l. 6. 9 10. Justa bella definiri solent quae ulciscuntur injurias those are just warrs which are levied to punish great injuries let all the world then judge whether according to these rules the Prince and the people of England have not just cause to take Armes the injury done to the person of his Royall Father is reputed to be done to the Prince himselfe the Prince then in defence of his Fathers person by force opprest for the redemption of it forth of prison for their recovery of the rights and revenues of the Crowne usurped and violated against all law and right by those what were called together to advise the best they could for it and have no manner or colour of Title unto it for the restoring of the people unto their antient Lawes and Liberties so much trodden upon and trampled under foot by those men who should be the chiefe preservers of them and for the resetling of men in their own proper offices estates and goods whereof they have been so illegally disseised sequestred devested robbed and dispossessed of And last of all to bring the Ringleaders of these so great evills innovations iniquities and injuries to restitution and condigne punishment and as the Prince so have the People justifiable cause and warrant to take armes and make warre against those robbers oppressors and usurpers who have not onely brought in all the innovations and injuries aforesaid imprisonments taxes arbitrary powers Excizes contributions impositions benevolences and myriads of evills onely to enrich themselves contrary to the knowne established and fundamentall Lawes of England and contrary to their promises and ingagements to the people to whom they promised that their welfare should be their supreme Law and care for as Plato saith n Plato in Alcib Justa bella geri possunt non modò si quis vi opprimatur aut expiletur verumetiam