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A67624	An answer to certain observations of W. Bridges, concerning the present warre against His Majestie whereby hee pretends to justifie it against that hexapla of considerations, viz. theologicall, historicall, legall, criticall, melancholy, and foolish : wherein, as he saith, it is look't upon by the squint-eyed multitude.	Warmstry, Thomas, 1610-1665.	1643 (1643)	Wing W879; ESTC R38489	56,563	74

therefore to resist your Prince which is your Supreame is the most wicked of all resistance And the Apostle gives you a reason because it is the ordinance of God and it is shewed before that resistance even in such case where the Magistrates commands are not according to the Law of God or man is a resistance of the power as well as of the will of the Magistrate and therefore is not to be undertaken sub poenâ 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 under paine of judgement or damnation and they that like the wages let them set up the worke Besides this is to put a sword as it were into every offenders hand to provide for his owne life or freedome even by the ruine and destruction of the King or Magistrate if he can but have faith enough to perswade himselfe that he is condemned contrary to the Law either of God or man and certainly he had a very dull braine that could not finde colour enough for such a perswasion in the worst case almost we can imagine especially if that old note be true Quod quisque vult id ipsum putat There needs no great strength of argument to perswade a theefe or murderer that hee ought not to be hang'd but I doubt I shall take too much paines with you There 's an end of your three Observations of the businesse as it is look't on as you say in a Theologicall consideration and for ought I see the people may looke asquint still for any thing you have yet applyed for the rectifying of their sight The next survey you are pleased to take of the matter is to correct the errours of the people in their Historicall view of it you conceive their complaints to be groundlesse when they conceive and say Never such times such taxations such presidents such a warre c. never Yes you can tell them of the twentieth part fifteenth part seventh part as in the reigne of King John and others And you cite the Chronicle too of Edw. 2. in the margent truly I have scarce leisure for the present to examine the Chronicle to confute you We reade indeed of a sixth penny levied of temporall mens goods in the time of Edw. 2. and what others you have found out in your Historicall translations it makes no great matter if they be of the same stampe But can you finde a president of a twentieth part imposed by an Ordinance of the two Houses of Parliament without and against the King and for the maintenance of so unnaturall a warre can you finde any president for those legall robberies that authenticall thee very under the name of plundering and that working of iniquity by a Law But however you seeme to take the people for pretty easie and tame fooles while you would perswade them to lie downe whil'st they are loaded because their forefathers perhaps have gone before them in suffering the like or more grievous pressures What doe you meane to prescribe for tyranny and oppression But to come to your Observations you will have those that are willing to learne to know 1. That if some be taken away it is to preserve them and the rest Answ That 's more then you can assure them rather it may seeme to be for the destruction both of themselves and the residue of their estates since it is but oyle cast into that fire which is likely if not quenched to expose all unto desolation And if those mad-men that have hitherto fed that flame with the expence of their estates were they not jurati in insaniam they have had experience enough to have beene as good as a Bedlam to them and make them now at length to grow wiser and e'en let that goe which is already gone untill the publique faith shall come to her lands and make much of that wit they have received for interest and shut up their hungry purses and coffers with that motto of the Poet Scelus est post omnia perdere naulum That they may at least keep something to bury them Yea it may prove a great blessing if those purges they have received of that over-much fulnesse which hath made them swell so much with pride to the disturbance of the State may now leave them in a more healthfull temper of humility to the quieting thereof This would enrich them much more in their mindes then they are impoverished in their estates and be an excellent recompense for all their losses But little doe you thinke what an excellent Observation this of yours might have beene had you vented it but two or three yeares sooner for the justification of Ship money And yet I doubt it would scarce have gone for weight then and we had best looke well to the scales e're we accept it for so now lest if this once goe for currant it be made a common colour for the greatest oppressions and most injurious and perpetuall taxations of the people though if it be possible more illegall than that of the imposition of the twentieth part if it be enough to beare the people in hand That if some be taken away it is to preserve them and the rest But what an age of fancies doe we live in can you tell the people who it is that would take away either their estates or their lives or if you could is there any honesty in it That you should take away the peoples goods without Law and please them by telling them no body else should robbe them Or to perswade them to throw their estates into the fire to keepe them out of the hands of theeves small comfort in this What is the next Observation to make the matter faire in the Historicall prospect The second Observation is by way of question Whether they had rather part with it to the Parliament or that and their lives too to the Cavaleirs Answ Truely this is a hard question A pittifull necessity that the poore people are brought into it were worth the while to consider who they are that have shut them up into such an uncomfortable Dilemma and what is the cause that they are so concluded and sure it is no hard matter to discerne Wee can yet remember that there was a time not long since when there was no necessity of either of these when the Royall Authority of His Majestie and the knowne Lawes of the Kingdome were in force and yeilded the due protection to the Subjects and they returned their due obedience unto them till these hedges were broken downe under the pretence of mending the gaps in them there was no roome for so sad a question And therefore the people may know whom they have to thank for it even those that for the bringing to passe of their owne ambitious and turbulent designes have removed those ancient land-markes and demolished those knowne and certaine bounds and fences and instead thereof brought in a new ambulatory uncertaine Government by Ordinances of the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament in opposition to

in the Church liberty liberty hath cryed downe peace there This is the very engine whereby he doth usually convey sedition and faction into the body of the State liberty liberty it that popular voyce together with a pretence of Religion whereby the peace of the State hath beene so often demolished and cast downe for my part I wish there may be a perpetuall contract betweene peace and liberty but if one must goe we had farre better part with liberty then peace And therefore by the way we may note that they are no better Polititians then they are Christians that goe about to preserve or recover liberty by Sedition their first care should be to preserve the integrity of the body and then that it may be fat and well-liking And now it is very easie for me to bring it home unto you since it is as clear as the light That however the commands of His Majestie have been either with or against the Law of the Kingdome as concerning matter of priviledge liberty the disobedience and much more the active resistance of you and your party is most clearely to the great disturbance of the State yea even almost to the destruction thereof whither it is still drawing nearer and nearer by that meanes and how foone it may come to that unhappy period we know not And it is as cleare that it hath beene very scandalous to the Church and our profession and given as much or more occasion to the enemies of God to blaspheme and exposed the Protestant Religion yea the whole profession of Christianity more to ignominy and reproach and to an odium with interesse than any action that hath beene publikely carried by the professours of the Protestant Religion since the Reformation hath ever done And therefore you must either professe your selves to be much more wise then our Saviour which I hope you dare not averre or to be much more wicked then becometh those that professe to be his Disciples which I doubt you will not admit But I pray you what commands doe you finde enjoyned you by His Majestie contrary to the Law of the Kingdome as concerning the commanding part thereof or when against the priviledge or liberty that he denyeth to them If you should aske me the like question on the other side I beleeve I could furnish you with store of instances Since I take it it may be easily proved that the whole businesse and the maine body of that designe which is now in hand against His Majestie is a bastard issue and can derive no pedigree from the Law either of God or man to make it legitimate As for His Majestie He desires nothing but that Authority to be acknowledged in Him which the Law hath placed in Him He desires to make the knowne Law of the Kingdome the onely rule of His rule and Government But it is by no meanes so on the other side if they can finde any colours from the Lawes that may put any plausible appearance of legality upon their businesse well and good but if not let the Law cry never so loud A monstrous headlesse vote of the dismembred Houses of Parliament or for a need of the House of Commons alone without or against the King and the House of Lords shall be countenance though to set forward the prosecution of their most illegall purposes And to make good their Protestation for the maintenance of the true Protestant Religion the Honour and Estate of His Majestie the Priviledges of Parliament the Lawes of the Kingdome and the Liberty of the Subject The Protestant Religion must be scorned and reproached by Brownists Anabaptists and Atheists The Honour and State of His Majestie must be exposed to the contempt of the vilest of the people The Priviledges of Parliament must be perpetually trampled on at the pleasure of some few that are predominant in the Houses by casting out the Members by meere arbitrary Votes for nothing but because they make use of that priviledge which the Law allowes and the Houses themselves begged and obtained of His Majestie at their first entrance upon their consultation for a freedome of speech nay sometime a whole side as it were of the House of Lords first forced out by terrour and tumult and then voted out upon meere pleasure And the power and authority of the House of Commons to a most palpable abusing and betraying of the trust reposed in them by His Majestie and the people of the Land reduced to a close Committee of about 15 or 16 persons some strange designe sure that they have in hand that they must get into such corners and have such cloudes over them to cover it And they say the businesse is made a night-worke too it seemes they dare not trust the Sunne with it a fit time to consult about a worke of darkenesse But they must remember either now or hereafter that there is a light over them that they see not that discovers all their secrets There is one still amongst them that they cannot vote out neither to whom light and darkenesse are both alike and the night is as cleare as the day There is an invisible notary too that takes our records of all their determinations and plots and truely they had best finde him out and prevaile with him if they can to take an oath of secrecy which they can never doe before they proceed any farther in the businesse for as sure as they live hee 'le reveale all else and a thousand to one will undoe all their plots by some counter-plot or other and will be as bad as an Elisha to the King of Syria to defeat and disappoint their most secret designes They may guesse at some thing if they will by what hath already fallen out they have had divers experiments how unprosperously their counsels thrive And therefore methinks Master Pym might well propose that question that the King of Syria did unto his servants upon the severall defeats that hee observed to have befallen him in his enterprises against Israel Will yee not shew me which of us is for the King But to save him a labour let him but the next time they meet reade the 12 first verses of the 139 Psalme and a hundred to one that will be as good as any charme they can use to discover him who it is that doth thus secretly intrude into their counsels and that doth thus defeat and make voyde all their most subtile contrivances so that hitherto for the most part they have brought forth nothing but winde though I confesse it hath beene a whirle-winde that hath disturbed and shaken the frame both of Church and State Even the very same that defeated the Counsell of Achitophel against David little doe they thinke how he sits and laughs at their most wise plots and contrivances of wickednesse Let them but looke into the second Psalme and they may see him at it methinkes if they could but put on the spectacle of the Psalmist They

may there see him as it were deriding at them and laughing at their grave and prudent madnesse whilest they with such confidence sit together as if all the wisedome in the world were in their breasts striving to breake off from themselves and others the bonds and cords of the Lords Anointed Little do they see how he blasts all their consultations how he damps all their purposes even as fast as they give them issue reade Is 8.9 10. Oh that they would at length be wise indeed and remember that woe of the Prophet Is 29.15 Woe be to them that seeke deepe to hide their counsell from the Lord and their workes are in the darke and they say Who seeth us and who knoweth us Surely your turning of things upside downe shall be esteemed as the potters clay But is this to maintaine the priviledges of Parliament to devest the Members of that power and trust reposed in them by His Majestie and the people and to commit the managing of the affaires of the Kingdome to your new device of a close Committee And to make them not onely the Masters of the rest of the Members of the Houses and them their slaves and shadowes but to make them Lords Paramount over the King and the whole Kingdome to require oathes of Allegeance unto them as of late hath most insolently and impiously beene done in London if wee are not mis-informed and to put the lives liberties and estates of all the people of the Land into the disposing of a matter of 15 men that have no such power given them either by King or Subjects and those for ought we know neither Angels nor Saints nor of the best sort of men that they may sacrifice all at their pleasure to their passions and no man must so much as aske a reason of them for feare of pressing into a secret of State Was there ever a Nation so befooled Was there ever a people brought to such a passe Is the famous and flourishing Government of this Nation by the King and the States of the Kingdome under him brought now to an Oligarchy a meere usurpation a most tyrannicall and arbitrary rule of 15 men that are made as it were absolute Lords of the Lawes the liberties the lives and estates of the whole Nation Sure they have played their cards well they have shewed themselves excellent projectors so handsomely and undescried to set up a Monopoly in themselves both of Regall and Parliamentary power a Monopoly upon the point of all the wealth and estates of the Kingdome They have carried the businesse very cunningly to bring things unto this passe and when they have done to make such fooles of the poore people whom they ride in the businesse and likely enough laugh at them in their sleeves to see how silly and simple the poore fooles are to be led so gently by the nose of them as to get them out of conscience to undoe themselves their wives and children to furnish them with money and to expose their lives unto the greatest dangers to the losse of so many thousands of them and all to make good their owne bondage and slavery to these Masters of the Close Committee En quo discordia cives perduxit miseros We have quarrelled our selves into a pretty condition But shall we be mad still Have the people of the Land abjured their senses and reason with their consciences Will they never be weary of such a miserable slavery Now for the Liberty of the Subject and the Lawes of the Kingdome you may easily guesse what becomes of them when the Priviledges of Parliament are trampled on by their owne feet Qui sibi nequam cui bonus if they make so bold with their owne you may well imagine what they doe with ours Or where I beseech you is the Magna Charta is not that a Law of the Kingdome When contrary to the very first words of that Charter the liberties of the Church are professedly invaded c. Or what is become of the Petition of Right which was so much talk't of heretofore when at the pleasure of these men without any due processe at Law the estates nay the lives of the Subject must be taken away by force and violence witnesse the late murder of His Majesties Subjects at Bristol and at London by Martiall Law which no Law putteth into their hands either without or against His Majesties Authority for that loyall designe of theirs to have delivered up those Cities unto His Majestie Or where is the Law for the Militia or for the taking away of His Majesties Ships and Forts Or where is there any Law to enable them to command any of the Kings Subjects to take up Armes against the King whose Subjects they themselves confesse themselves to be in their language though they do indeed most clearly deny it in their practise Or is it subjection to seek the ruine of a Princes Authority and His life by open force and hostility if this be subjection I pray you tell me what is rebellion or why doe they dissemble with God and man in stiling themselves His Majesties most humble and obedient Subjects when they are in actuall opposition against Him and will neither obey Him nor the Law by which hee governes if this be subjection Jacke Cade had a great deale of wrong and Wat Tyler too And Percy and Catesby were a couple of fooles that they would not come in to justifie themselves to be the Kings humble and obedient Subjects But it seemes it is no wrong at all done by the people to themselves when they obey the most unlawfull and most unreasonable commands of your party But if you obey the King against the Law you consent unto your owne wrong but we cannot so much forget our reason as to beleeve it Or doe you meane to bring in a new reason as well as a new religion But I beseech you what if I am not bound to obey him nay what if I am bound not to obey him as in some cases I confesse I am if His Majestie should command me contrary to the Law of God c. must I needs then take up Armes no certainly in such case I must submit to His Authority in the willing suffering of that punishment he shall inflict as is afore-said Or did our Saviour wrong himselfe in submitting unto Pilate or did those good Christians in the Primitive times wrong themselves when they glorified God so much in their chearfull sufferings upon this very ground If you may be Judge they shall all have actions of the case against themselves and were Martyrs in their owne wrong indeed I doubt you 'le never be guilty of such a sinne And so I have done with your first Proposition that you propose to the Malignants as you most malignantly stile them that are the Kings good Subjects And now let us see what instruction you give us in your second Cum bonis avibus What is it The great

the ancient and setled sundamentall Lawes of the Kingdome and without and against the Royall Authority of the King And now it seemes the people if you may be Judge are left onely to this lamentable choyce from whose hand they shall receive their ruine or whether they will undergoe a voluntary slavery on the one side or an enforced one on the other This is not much unlike that miserable choyce that David was put unto in the 2d of Samuel 24. chapter and the 13. and 14. verses Whether the sword or the famine or the pestilence should be the reward of numbering of the people That David was indeed to submit unto though as he saith he was in a great strait because it was sent unto him by God by the Prophet Gad a Prophet of the Lord. And David wisely makes it his choice to fall into the hands of God and not into the hands of men And truely the strait that you put the people into me thinkes is worse in some respect than Davids They must needes it seemes by you fall into the hands of men And indeed I confesse we doe well deserve it because the hand of the Lord in the plague and pestilence which hath beene so long and so often upon us of late in this Kingdome and I thinke scarce yet removed though it is as it were drowned in a greater judgement hath done so little or no good upon us But what Divinity is it I beseech you that sent you upon this errand upon the people or who made you to be a Prophet Gad unto them to circumscribe them within the limits of so hard an election Or how long have they beene Gods into whose hands you would have them fall Or what doe you meane by those strange unheard of monsters the Cavaleirs that you make such bugbeares to fright the people with Or how comes this name of honour and dignity to be made by you and others of your party a name of reproach and disgrace I pray you tell us what this strange word signifies that we may know these horrid creatures by their names let me tell you it little becomes one that is a pretender to learning to give his vote to so foolish a denomination to so injurious a debasement and misacception of an innocent and honourable terme Foolish it is let whose will be the Nomenclator for names or titles are imposed for distinction and to set forth unto us the nature of things as they differ from others and that either according to the importance of the word or title which doth in the etymologie or sense of it represent the thing entitled thereby or else according to a customary received use and acception of the word or stile whereby it is by usurpation drawne from that which it properly signifies to represent some other thing either by limiting the signification thereof or diverting it to something that hath some resemblance or analogy unto the proper signification or perhaps through meere ignorance of barbarisme or a blinde and wilfull prescription of custome embraced by the people at all adventures which notwithstanding when it is once growne currant it is no wisedome in any to contradict so that it be but an harmelesse absurdity or else sometimes names or stiles are imposed upon individuals which are of that multitude and their personall properties so obscure that they can hardly be all knowne or designed by proper attributes upon such sometimes and indeed most commonly unlesse by some extraordinary providence they are imployed by those that have the power ex instituto of meere voluntary choice of the imposers without any regard unto any similitude or proportion that the name beareth unto the person upon which it is imposed as a meere voluntary marke upon them to distinguish them from others or sometimes they are imposed as common markes upon those that are of the same stock and kindred either by originall descent or by translation or engraffing as by matrimoniall contract adoption or the like But this stile as you have no ground at all to make this a stile of ignominy unto any indeed as a name of honour so it hath been used as Eques which is a Cavalier in Latine was an ordinary and almost the onely usuall word to signifie a Gentleman or Nobleman amongst the Romans and so you may plead the usage of the word to apply it to His Majesties Army where you may finde almost all the Gentry and the greatest part of the Nobility of the Kingdome whom you may not amisse in this sense stile the Cavaliers in opposition to that Rabble of the meaner sort of discontented people that make up the Bellum servile on the other side So indeed it is very proper to designe forth those noble and honourable Commanders of His Majestie whose veines are full of Princely and Noble bloud that can admit of no taint of disloyalty in opposition to those right honourable Button-makers and the rest of those right famous mechanicke Commanders who are of late become intolerable fumblers in this strange and new trade of warre to the great danger of their forgetting of their occupations But how than doth it become a name of reproach amongst you surely wee may well guesse what care you have and the rest of your party to maintaine the honour and dignity of the State when you goe about to make the very termes of honour to become contumelies and reproaches Is it not enough for you to put confusion into the frame of the State but you must also confound the language of the Common-wealth But indeed you may be excused perhaps in point of policy for you were somewhat hard driven to finde out a stile for the designation of that party whom you oppose and therefore it is no wonder if in so great necessity you take the boldnesse to make a force upon the language as well as the estates and liberties of the Subject by drawing the one by violence from their proper signification as well as the other from their proper possessours for indeed what should we call them Rebels Surely that might have done well but it seemes your consciences could not digest so great and palpable a misapplication you know well to whom that stile did properly belong it 's like and you could not be so injurious unto them as to make so unjust an alienation of their property What than should you call them the Royalists or the Kings party No. There was no policy in that for it was nece●●●●y for you to use His Majesties name that you might not fright the people with a bare-fac't rebellion but therein indeed you doe exceedingly discolour it and in going about to hide it you lay the wickednesse thereof so much the more bare unto any discerning eye The very stile of your warre condemnes the very action of it and declares you to be ashamed of your owne enterprise since you are faine to maske over the face of it with an empty vayle of a