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A86304	The stumbling-block of disobedience and rebellion, cunningly laid by Calvin in the subjects way, discovered, censured, and removed. By P.H.	Heylyn, Peter, 1600-1662.	1658 (1658)	Wing H1736; Thomason E935_3; ESTC R202415	168,239	316

his Leiges Remember what was said before touching the writ of Summons in the said Kings time From this time till the last Parliament of King Charles there is no Kings reign of which we have not many though not all the Acts of Parliament still in print amongst us Nor is there any Act of Parliament in the printed Books to the enacting of the which the Bishops approbation and consent is not plainly specified either in the general Proeme set before the Acts or in the body of the Act it themself as by the books themselves doth at at large appear And to this kind of proof may be further added the form and manner of the writ by which the Prelates in all times have been called to Parliament being the very same verbatim with that which is directed to the temporal Barons save that the Spiritual Lords are commanded to attend the service in fide dilectione the temporal in fide homagio and of late times in fide ligeantia A form or copy of which summons as antient as King Johns time is still preserved upon Record directed nominatim to the Arch-bishop of Canterbury r V. Titles of hon pt 2. c. 5. and then a scriptum est similiter to the residue of the Bishops Abbats Earls and Barons Then adde the Privilege of Parliament for themselves and their servants during the time of the Sessions the liberty to kill and take one or two of the Kings Deer as they pass by any of his Forests in coming to the Parliament upon his commandement s Charta de Foresta cap. their enjoying of the same immunities which are and have been heretofore enjoyed by the Temporal Barons t Cambden in Britannia and tell me if the Bishops did not sit in Parliament by as good a title and have not sate there longer by some hundreds of years in their Predecessours as or than any of the Temporal Lords do sit or have sat there in their Progenitours and therefore certainly essential fundamental parts of the Court of Parliament 8. But against this it is objected first that some Acts have passed in Parliament to which the Prelates did not vote nor could be present in the House when the Bill was passed as in the sentencing to death or mutilation of a guilty person as doth appear both by the laws constitutions recognized at Clarendon and the following practice This hath been touched on before we told you then that this restraint was laid upon them not by the Common law of England or any Act or Ordinance of the House of Peers by which they were disabled to attend that service It was their own voluntary Act none compelled them to it but only out of a conformity to some former Canons ad sanctorum Canonum instituta x Antiqu. Brit. in Gul. Courtney as their own words are by which it was not lawfull for the Clergy men to be either Judges or Assessors in causa Sanguinis y Constitut Othobon fol. 45. And yet they took such care to preserve their Interests that they did not only give their Proxies for the representing of their persons but did put up their Protestation with a salvo jure for the preserving of their rights for the time to come jure Paritatis interessendi in dicto Parliamento z Antiqu. Britan. in Gul. Courtney quoad omnia singula ibi excercenda in omnibus semper salvo as the manner was Examples of the which are as full and frequent as their withdrawing themselves on the said occasions But then the main objection is that as some Acts have passed in Parliament absentibus Praelatis when the Bishops did absent themselves of their own accord so many things have been transacted in the Parliament excluso Clero when the Clergy have been excluded or put out of the House by some Act or Ordinance A precedent for this hath been found and published by such as envied that poor remnant of the Churches honour though possibly they will find themselves deceived in their greatest hope and that the evidence will not serve to evince the cause The Author of the Pamphlet entituled The Prerogative and practice of Parliaments first laying down his Tenet that many good Acts of Parliament may be made though the Arch-bishops and Bishops should not consent unto them a Printed at London 1628. p. 37. which is a point no man doubts of considering how easily their negative may be over-ruled by the far greater number in the House of Peers adds that at a Parliament holden at S. Edmundsbury 1196 in the reign of Ed 1. a Statute was made by the King the Barons and the Commons Excluso Clero for the proof herof refers us unto Bishop Jewell Now Bishop Jewell saith indeed that in a Parliament solemnly holden at St. Edmunsbury by King Edward 1. Anno 1296. the Arch-bishops and Bishops were quite shut forth and yet the Parliament held on and good and wholsome laws were there enacted the departing or absence of the Lords Spiritual notwithstanding b Defence of the Apolog. pt 6. c. 2. §. 1. In the Records whereof it is written thus Habito Rex cum Baronibus suis Parliamento Clero excluso statutum est c. the King keeping the Parliament with his Barons the Clergy that is to say the Arch-bishops and Bishops being shut forth it was enacted c. Wherein who doth not see if he hath any eyes that by this reason if the proof be good many good Acts of Parllament may be made though the Commons either out of absence or opposition should not consent unto them of whose consent unto that Statute whatsoever it was there is as little to be found in that Record as the concurrence of the Bishops But for Answer unto so much of this Record so often spoke of and applauded as concerns the Bishops we say that this if truly senced as I think it be not was the particular act of an angry and offended King against his Clergy not to be drawn into example as a proof or Argument against a most clear known and undoubted right The case stood thus A Constitution had been made by Boniface the 8th Ne aliqua collecta ex ecclesiasticis proventibus Regi aut cuivis alii Principi concedatur c Matth. Westm in Edw. 1. that Clergy men should not pay any tax or tallage unto Kings or Princes out of their Spiritual preferments without the leave of the Pope under pretence whereof the Clergy at this Parliament at S. Edmundsbury refused to be contributory to the Kings occasions when the Lay-Members of the House had been forwards in it The King being herewith much offended gives them a further day to confider of it adjourning the Parliament to London there to begin on the morrow after S. Hilaries day and in the mean time commanded all their Barns to be fast sealed up The day being come and the Clergy still

Parliament and the time of 40 daies expresly specified to intervene between the summons and the beginning of the Parliament Which Commons being such as antiently did hold in Capite and either having a Knights fee or the degree of Knighthood did first promiscuously attend in these publick meetings and after were reduced to four quatuor discretos milites de Comitatu tuo as c Id. ibid. the writ ran unto the Sheriff and at last to two as they continue to this day 5. We have it thus in the Magna Charta of King Henry the 3d. the birth-right of the English Subject according as it stands translated in the book of Statutes First we have granted to God and by this our present Charter have confirmed for us and our heirs for ever that the Church of England shall be free and shall enjoy all her whole Rights and Liberties inviolable d Magna Charta cap. 1. But it was a known Right and Liberty of the Church of England that all the Bishops and many of the greater Clergy and peradventure also the inferiour Clergy wherof more anon had their Votes in Parliament and therefore is to be preserved inviolable by the Kings of England their Heirs and Successors for ever Which Charter as it was confirmed by a solemn Curse denounced on all the Infringers of it by Boniface Arch-bishop of Canterbury e Matth. Patis in Henr. 3. and ratified in no fewer man 30 succeeding Parliaments so was it enacted in the reign of Edward the first that it should be sent under the great Seal of England to all the Cathedral Churches of the Kingdom to be read twice a year before the people f 25 Edw. 1. c. 2. that they should be read four times every year in a full County-Court g 28 Edw. 1. c. 1. and finally that all judgements given against it should be void h 25 Edw. 1. c. 3. 6. We have the Protestation of John Stratford Arch-bishop of Canterbury in the time of King Edward the 3d. who being in disfavour with the King and denyed entrance into the House of Peers challenged his place and suffrage there as the first Peer of the Realm and one that ought to have the first Voice in Parliament in right of his See But hear him speak his own words which are these that follow Amici for he spake to those who took witness of it Rexme ad hoc Parliamentum scripto suo vocavit ego tanquam major Par Regni post regem primam vocem habere debens in Parliamento jura Ecclesiae meae Cantuariensis vendico ideo ingressum in Parliamentum peto i Antiqu. B●itan in Joh. Stratford which is full and plain 7. And lastly there is the Protestation on Record of all the Bishops in the reign of King Richard the 2d at what time William Courtney was Arch-bishop of Canterbury who being to withdraw themselves from the House of Peers at the pronouncing of the sentence of death on some guilty Lords first made their Procurators to supply their rooms then put up their Protestation to preserve their Rights the sum whereof for as much as doth concern this business in their own words thus De jure consuetudine regni Angliae ad Archiepiscopum Cantuariensem qui pro tempore fuerit nec non coeteros Suffraganeos confratres compatres Abbates Priores aliosque Praelatos quoscunque per Baroniam de domino Rege tenentes pertinet in Parliamentis Regis quibuscunque ut Pares regni praedicti personaliter interesse ibidemque de regni negotiis ac aliis tractari consuetis cum caeteris dicti regni Paribus aliis ibidem jus interessendi habentibns consulere tractare ordinare statuere diffinire ac c●etera facere quae Parliamento ibidem imminent facienda This put together makes enough abundantly for the proofs de jure k In vita Gul. Courtney and makes the Bishops right to have Vote in Parliament to be undeniable Let us next see whether this right of theirs be not confirmed and countenanced by continual practice and that they have not lost it by discontinuance which is my second kind of proofs those I mean de facto And first beginning with the reign of the Norman Conquerour we find a Parliament assembled in the fifth year of that King wherein are present Episcopi Abbates Comites Primates totius Angliae l Matth. Paris in Willielmo 1. the Bishops Abbats Earls and the rest of the Baronage of England In the 9th year of William Rufus an old Author telleth us de regni statu acturus Episcopos Abbates quoscunque Regni proceres in unum praecepti sui sanctione egit that being to consult of the affairs of the Kingdom he called together by his writ the Bishops Abbots and all the Peers of the Realm m Eadmer hist Nov. l. 2. During the reign of Henry the 2d for we will take but one example out of each King reign though each Kings reign would yield us more a Parliament was called at London wherein were many things dispatched aswell of Ecclesiastical as secular nature the Bishops and Abbats being present with the other Lords Coacto apud Londoniam magno Episcoporum Procerum Abbatumque Concili● multa ecclefiasticarum secularium rerum ordinata negotia decisa litigia saith the Monk of Malmes●ury n Malmesb. hist reg Angl. l. 5. And of this Parliament it is I take it that Eadmer speaketh Hist. Novell l. 4. p. 91. Proceed we to King Henry the 2d for King Stephens reign was so full of wars and tumults that there is very little to be found of Parliaments and there we find the Bishops with the other Peers convened in Parliament for the determination of the points in controversie between Alfonso King of Castile and Sancho King of Navarre referred by compremise to that King of England and here determined by King Henry amongst other things habito cum Episcopis Comitibus et Baronebus cum deliberatione consilio as in Roger Hoveden o Hoveden Annal. pars poster in Hen. 2. Next him comes Rich. the first his Son during whose imprisonment by the D. of Austria his Brother John then Earl of Moriton indeavoured by force and cunning in Normandy to set the Crown on his own head which caused Hubert the Arch-bishop of Canterbury to call a Parliament Convocatis coram eo Episcopis Comitibus et Baronibus regni p Id. in Joh. wherein the Bishops Earls and Barons did with one consent agree to seize on his estate and suppress his power the better to preserve the Kingdom in wealth peace and safety After succeeded John and he calls a Parliament wherein were certain Laws made for the defence of his Kingdom Communi assensu Archiepiscoporum Episcoporum Comitum Baronum omnium fidelium suo●um Ang●iae by the common counsell and assent of the Arch-bishops Bishops Earls Barons and the rest of

persisting in their former obstinacy excluso e Parliamento Clero Consilium Rex cum solis Baronibus populo habuit totumque statim Clerum protectione sua privavit d Antiqu. Brit. in R. Winchelsey the King saith the Historian excluding the Clergy out of the Parliament advised with his Barons and his people only what was best to be done by whose advise he put the Clergy out of his protection and thereby forced them to conform to his will and pleasure This is the summa totalis of the business and comes unto no more but this that a particular course was advised in Parliament on a particular displeasure taken by the King against the body of his Clergy then convened together for their particular refusal to contribute to his wants wars the better to reduce them to their natural duty Which makes not any thing at all against the right of Bishops in the House of Peers or for excluding them that House or for the validity of such Acts as are made in Parliament during the time of such exclusion especially considering that the King shortly after called his States together and did excuse himself for many extravagant Acts which he had committed e Walsing● in Edw. 1. anno 1297. against the liberties of the Subject whereof this was one laying the blame thereof on his great occasions and the necessities which the wars which he had abroad did impose upon him And so much as in Answer unto that Record supposing that the words thereof be rightly senced as I think they are not and that by Clerus there we are to understand Arch-bishops and Bishops as I think we be not there being no Record I dare boldly say it either of History or Law in which the word Clerus serves to signifie the Arch-bishops and Bishops exclusive of the other Clergy or any writing whatsoever wherein it doth not either signifie the whole Clergy generally or the inferiour Clergy only exclusive of the Arch-bishops Bishops and other Prelates Therefore in answer unto that so much applauded Cavil of Excluso Clero from what Record soever it either hath been hitherto or shall hereafter be produced I shall propose it to the consideration of the sober Reader whether by Clerus in that place or in any other of that kind and time we must not understand the in●eriour Clergy as they stand distinguished in the Laws from my Lords the Bishops For howsoever it be true that Clerus in the ecclesiastical notion of the word doth signifie the whole Clergy generally Arch-bishops Bishops Priests and Deacons yet in the legal notion of it it stands distinguished from the Prelates and signifieth only the inferiour Clergy Thus do we find the Ecclesiasticks of this Realm divided into Prelates men of Religion and other Clerks 3. Edw. 1. c. 1. the Seculars either into Prelates and Clerks 9 Edw. 2. c. 3. 1 Rich. 2. c. 3. or Prelates and Clerks beneficed 18 Edw. 3. c. 2. or generally into the Prelates and the Clergy 9 Edw. 2. c. 15. 14 Edw. 3. c. 1 3. 18 Edw. 3. 2. 7. 25 Edw. 3. 2. 4. 8 Hen. 6. c. 1. and in all acts and grants of Subsidies made by the Clergy to the Kings or Queens of England since the 32 of Henry 8. when the Clergy subsidies first began to be confirmed by act of Parliament So also in the Latin ideom which comes neerest home Nos Praelati Clerus in the submission of the Clergy to King Henry 8. f Regist Wa●ham and in the sentence of divorce against Anne of Cleve g Regist Cranmer and in the instrument of the grant of the Clergy subsidies presented to the Kings of England ever since the 27 of Queen Elizabeth and in the form of the Certificates per h Statut. 8 Eliz. c. 17. ever since Praelat●s Clerum returned by every Bishop to the Lord High Treasurer and finally Nos Episcopi Clerus Cantuariensis Provinciae in hac Synodo more nostro solito dum Regni Parliamentum celebratur congregati i Stat. 1 Phil. Mar. c. 8. in the petition to K. K. Phillip and Mary about the confirmation of the Abby lands to the Patentees So that though many Statutes have been made in these later times excluso Clero the Clergy that is to say the inferiour Clergy being quite shut out and utterly excluded from those publick Counsails yet this proves nothing to the point that auy act of Parliament hath been counted good to which the Bishops were not called or at the making of which Act they either were shut out by force or excluded by cunning As for Kilbancies book which that Author speaks of k Prer●g pract of Pa●l p. 38. in which the Justices are made to say 7 H. 8. that our Soveraign Lord the King may well hold his Parliament by him and his Temporal Lords and by the Commons also without the Spiritual Lords for that the Spiritual Lords have not any place in the Parliament chamber by reason of their Spiritualties but by reason of their Temporal possessions besides that it is only the opinion of a privat man of no authority or credit in the Common wealth and contrary to the practice in the Saxon times in which the Bishops sate in Parliament as Spiritual persons not as Barons the reason for ought I can see will serve as well to pretermit all or any of the Temporal Lords as it can serve to pretermit or exclude the Bishops the Temporal Lords being called to Parliament on no other ground than for the Temporal possessions which they hold by Barony 9. If it be said that my second answer to the argument of Excluso Clero supposeth that the inferiour ●lergy had some place in Parliament which being not to be supposed makes the Answer void I shall crave leave to offer some few observations unto the consideration of the sober and impartial Reader by which I hope to make that supposition probable and perhaps demonstrative First then we have that famous Parliament call it Concilium magnum or Concilium commune or by what other name soever the old writers called it summoned by King Ethelbert anno 605. which my l Concil Hen. Spelm. Author calleth Commune concilium tam Cleri quam Populi where Clerus comprehendeth the body of the Clergy generally aswell the Presbyters as the Bishops as the word populus doth the lay-subject generally as well Lords as Commons or else the Lords and Commons one of the two must be needs left out And in this sense we are to understand these words in the latter times as where we read that Clerus m Matth. Paris in Hen. 1. Angliae populus Vniversus were summoned to appear at Westminster at the Coronation of King Henry the first where divers Laws were made and declared subscribed by the Arch-bishops Bishops and others of the principal persons that were there assembled that Clero populo