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A46634 A vindication of that part of Spira's despair revived which is challenged by the Anabaptists, and shamefully callumniated by John Wells, a Baptist preacher : wherein also some things are handled relating to infant baptism and dipping in baptism : particularly it is evinced that dipping is not essential to the sacrament of baptism / by Thomas James, author of Spira's despair revived. James, Thomas.; James, Thomas. Spira's despair revived. 1695 (1695) Wing J437; ESTC R32366 32,972 42

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sent nor sought occasion but was invited and importuried and then how could I do less out of respect to my Office as a Minister of Jesus Christ I went not with a design to make a Proselyte as Mr. Wells hints p. 10. saying You could not prosclyte him yet if Mr. Wells's Friends had not been with him presently after me 't is probable my Advice might have done more good but now it is in vain to guess at it 〈◊〉 for if I did him any good it seems they quickly marr'd it If that Salve of Sprinkling in his Infancy were applied to him for his Spiritual Sore it might very well distract him What if it were not applied then here is just nothing said a Reply to no purpose But what a dreadful consequence doth Mr. Wells draw from thence supposing it were so then it might very well distract him A dreadful Reflection indeed a terrible Charge against Infant Baptism For my part I reflected only upon the unadvised Carriage of some Baptists and their rash Zeal to promote their Opinion and to make Proselytes their indirect and evil Practices their bold and bitter Speeches but I should have been ashamed to have branded their Doctrine thus Where Mr. Wells's Moderation is I know not it doth not appear in his Reply But I hope he doth not mean a perfect Distraction but only a little hurry of mind and that his next Words are exegetical and lessen the Sense as it follows and he n● suffer a little by such inconsiderate and blind Zeal Let it b● so taken even in the best Sense for the other is very foul an● grose And that the World may be sure to know who you mean you repeat the name Anabaptists as you falsely put upon them and say wh● they rather chose to call themselves Baptists Good Mr. Wells how did you read this Methinks you read as badly as you writ How could you say I repeated the Name Anabaptists What did you mistake Atheists in the Lines before for Anabaptists For I never repeated this Word Read Anabaptist twice if you can and surely Anabaptist and Baptist are not one and the same Name for you write your self a Baptist yet say I falsely put the Name Anabaptist upon you But why falsely put upon you 'T is the proper Name of those of your Opinion though it may be you like it not and if we call you Baptists it is a Favour which Favour I was willing to shew you I mean those of your Opinion but you acknowledge it not but are angry yea if we call you not Anabaptists we do in a sort disown our own Baptism and Principles about that point For we say and doubt not we are able to prove it that Infants are truly Baptized as well as the Adult But you Baptize such as were so Baptized in Infancy and therefore are Anabaptists and the Name truly agrees to you which signifies Rebaptizers For my part I am not for long and hard Names Sesquipedalia verba or else I had us'd that Name of Ca●apaedobaptists but I judged the other both proper and best known and I do not see why it should be a matter of Offence to you to use it I am sure 't is of no great Moment however I used these two promiscuously Anabaptist and Baptist not designing to reproach you by the Name no nor any otherwise seeking occasision so to do as you have too oft suggested but only to write most properly which is according to common speech and as may be best understood FINIS Reader I Would desire thee to be so Candid as to correct the Faults thou maist find and not to censure me too hardly for the ●ame for I could not be present at the Press and I am sensible that as I have suffered in this kind already so I may still suffer notwithstanding all the Care and Precaution I have used BOOKS Printed for John John Lawrence at the Angel in the Poultrey MR. Lorimer's Apology for the Ministers who subscribed only unto the Stating of the Truths and Errors in Mr. Williams's Book in Answer to Mr. Tr●●ls's Letter to a Minister in the Country 4 to An Answer of Mr. Giles Firmin to Mr. Grantham about Infant Baptism 4 to Some Remarks upon two Anabaptist Pamphlets By Giles Firmin 4 to Mr. Firmin's Review of Richard Davis his Vindication 4 to A Proposal to perform Musick in perfect and Mathematical Proportions By Tho. Salmon Rector of Mepsal in Bedfordshire Approved by both the Mathematick Professors of the University of Oxford with large Remarks By John Wallis P. D. 4 to Mr. Stephens's Sermon before the Lord Mayor and Aldermen of London at St. Mary le Bew. Jan. 30. 1693. Mr. Shower's Winter Meditations Or a Sermon concerning Frost and Snow and Winds c. and the Wonders of God therein 4 to Mr. Slater's Thanksgiving Sermon Octob. 27. 1692. 4 to His Sermons at the Funerals of Mr. John Reynolds and Mr. Fincher Ministers of the Gospel 4 to The Jesuites Catechism 4 to Dr. Burton's Discourses of Purity Charity Repentance and seeking first the Kingdom of God Published with a Preface by Dr. John Tillotson late Archbishop of Canterbury 8 vo Remarks on a late Discourse of William Lord Bishop of Derry concerning the Inventions of Men in the Worship of God Also a Defence of the said Remarke against his Lordship's Admonition By J. Boyse 8 vo The Works of the Right Honourable Henry late Lord D●●amere and Earl of Warington consisting in Thirty two Original Manuscripts under his Lordship 's own Hand 8 vo Bishop Wilkins's Discourses of the Gift of Prayer and Preaching the better much inlarged By the Bishop of Norwich and Dr. Williams 8 vo Mr. Samuel Slater's Earnest Gall to Family Religion being the Substance of Eighteen Sermons 8 vo Mr. Addy's Stenographia Or the Art of Short Writing compleated in a fa● more Compendious way than any yet extant 8 vo The London Dispensatory reduc'd to the Practice of the London Physicians Wherein are contained the Medicines both Galencial and Chymical tha● are now in use Those out of use omitted and those in use and not in the Latin Copy here added By John Peachey of the Colledge of Physicians in London 12 o. 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7. and at the cleansing o● a Leprous Person Levit. 14. 7. From the Apostle I will lear● the meaning of this Word rather than from any Baptist But Mr. Wells with his Learning would teach us thus p. 12. You cannot be ignorant but that Baptiso is to dip and is allowed and approved to be so by the Lexicons Dictionaries and all approved Authors that are Orthodox 'T is well he did not say only to Dip for then I know what he had said and 't is rare to find a Schola● so weak as not for to allow it Truly 't is rare to find a Baptist though he cannot read one Word of Greek or understand Latin and yet not to talk and write of the Sense of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as though they had consulted Lexicons Dictionaries and wha● not But is not this a fine begging of the Question Wh● ever denied Dipping to be Baptizing But Mr. Wells's Friend● at Ashford might be ashamed to say that no other application o● Water is Baptizing and that this Woman was not Baptised For I pray what learned Man ever rendred the Word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 only to Dip exclusively to all other significations I have no● search'd as before-times Lexicons and Dictionaries and fin● the Word rendred indeed to Dip but also to Wash yea an● to Sprinkle there comes in an Item làvo abluo And surely 〈◊〉 is a significant Word as well as Imprimis Every Tradesman knows this Indeed at the rate some Baptists writ and report the Words of the Learned they would perswade silly People all the learned Men were almost Anabaptists yea and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Self-condemned being as they are in Opinion though of a contrary Practice They make some speak a few Words and say 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is to Dip to plunge in Water but then as it were stop their Mouths and cry hold whereas good Men might they go on they would add to Wash to pour on Water to Sprinkle And their Quotations are much of this kind very deceitful per saltum and keeping back a material part and so making them to speak very favourably for them the very thing we are upon proves this Mr. Wells saith Baptiso is to Dip as Lexicons c. say as though that were all and it is needless to make a Digression to shew it by their Quotations of Zanchy Piscater Calvin Poole c. But I would fain know who can prove our Lord Jesus Christ himself was Dipped or Plunged in his Baptism or that any of those Baptized ones spoken of in the New Testament were so Dipped or Plunged Not a Word that ever I yet read did prove I say soundly prove it Probability is no proof of this Degree Opinion is not Faith An immersion there might be and yet not a total one or it may be some other application as by pouring on of Water That Baptism was oft performed of old by Dipping I gainsay not but that there were other ways is certain also Pray let Mr. Wells construe these Words Fundere aquam infundere and sometimes Javare abluere found oftentimes in the Writings of the Antients yea and sometimes Aspergere for Baptizing Also let him unriddle how they Baptized some in Prisons and in their Beds sick of Feavours in Sweats c. as Augustine tells us at large of a Friend of his If this were not done by some other way than by Dipping the whole Body let Mr. Wells declare how that could be But shall we call in question at this day the Baptism of all those in former Ages who were not Dipp'd and strike so many Saints and Martyrs out of the Roll of the Baptized who are now in Heaven An horrible boldness to speak at this rate But let them take heed for how as I said can they prove our Lord himself was so Dipped I am sure one ancient Writer was of another mind and surely he was not alone even Aurelius Prudentius who sings thus of it being a famous Christian Poet flourishing about thirteen hundred Years since Perfundit fluvio pastus Baptista locustis i. e. John the Baptist poured some of the Water of the River on him our Baptist would teach him to say Immergit fluvio c. but it seems he knew better or at least thought otherwise And Bernard a later Writer by far and yet not very late neither for he lived about five hundred Years ago and hath the Honour if I mistake not to be called by some the last of the Fathers hath this notable Expression Infundit aquam capiti creatoris creatura-nobilior Dei verticem mortalis dextra contrectat contingit i. e. John the Baptist that noble Creature poured Water on the Head of the Creator and the Right Hand of a Man touched and handled the Head of God I do not produce these Testimonies as though I would maintain that our Lord Jesus was not Dipped but only to shew the boldness of those Persons who cavil at the Baptism of all such as are not plunged in Water and do by crying up Dipp'd or Damn'd trouble the weak and drive them into a dangerous Melancholy Yea what if the Eunuch went down into the Water Acts 8. 38. or Christ came up out of the Water Matth. 3. 16 Mark 1. 10. though by the way 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is only he came up from the Water not out of it What doth this prove Dipping a total immersion Surely they that say this may say any thing But now we are speaking of Baptism I cannot but take notice of Mr. Wells's Confidence to call Infant Baptism a Scriptureless Notion p. 14. and p. 13 14. he saith Sprinkling of Infants is a new Doctrine a Scriptueless thing that is not to be found from the beginning of Genesis to the end of the Revelations What a new Doctrine Let the famous Calvin be heard whom I chuse to quote because I have see● him quoted in their Books as one that wrote for their Opinion 'T is in that Chapter which he calls his Appendix to the forme of Baptism written on purpose against the Anabaptists as the Title and the first Words declare The Title this Poedobaptismum cu● Christi institutione signi natura optimè congruere i. e. Infan● Baptism's agreement with Christ's Institution and the nature of the Sign The first Words are these Quoniam autem hoc s●culo phrenetici quidum Spiritus ob Poedobaptismum graves excitarunt i● Ecclesia turbas c. i. e. Whereas in this Age some phrensical or enthusiastical Persons have raised great stirs in the Church about Infant Baptism and do not cease at this day to cause the same Tumults I cannot but subjoin this Appendix to restrain their Fury Now the Passage I would quote out of this notable Chapter is this Quod autem apud simplicem vulgum disseminaret longam annorum seriem post Christi resurrectionem praeteriisse quibus incognitus erat Poedobaptismus in eo Foedissimè Mentiuntur