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or_o at_o least_o doubtful_a and_o suspect_a one_o the_o five_o and_o twenty_o be_v his_o produce_v the_o testimony_n of_o several_a false_a greek_n link_v to_o the_o interest_n of_o the_o latin_a church_n 258_o chap._n iu_o the_o testimony_n of_o some_o protestant_n allege_v by_o mr._n arnaud_n touch_v the_o belief_n of_o the_o greek_n answer_v 269_o chap._n v._o mr._n arnaud_n negative_a argument_n draw_v from_o the_o silence_n of_o the_o greek_n and_o latin_n on_o the_o article_n of_o transubstantiation_n examine_v 272_o chap._n vi_o a_o far_a examination_n of_o mr._n arnaud_n negative_a argument_n a_o particular_a reflection_n on_o what_o past_a in_o the_o treaty_n of_o râ—union_n and_o especial_o in_o the_o council_n of_o florence_n and_o afterward_o 293_o chap._n vii_o several_a passage_n of_o greek_a author_n cite_v by_o mr._n arnaud_n examine_v 306_o chap._n viii_o the_o profession_n of_o faith_n which_o the_o saracen_n be_v cause_v to_o make_v in_o the_o 12_o century_n consider_v several_a passage_n out_o of_o cabasilas_n simeon_n archbishop_n of_o thessalonica_n jeremias_n the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n and_o several_a other_o collect_v by_o mr._n arnaud_n out_o of_o greek_a author_n examine_v 319_o chap._n ix_o several_a passage_n of_o anastasius_n sinaite_n german_n the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n and_o damascen_n examine_v 429_o chap._n x._o a_o examination_n of_o the_o advantage_n which_o mr._n arnaud_n draw_v from_o the_o two_o council_n hold_v in_o greece_n in_o the_o 8_o century_n upon_o the_o subject_n of_o image_n the_o one_o at_o constantinople_n the_o other_o at_o nice_a 339_o chap._n xi_o several_a circumstance_n relate_v to_o the_o second_o council_n of_o nice_a examine_v 355_o the_o second_o part._n book_n v._o wherein_o be_v treat_v of_o the_o belief_n of_o the_o moscovite_n armenian_n nestorian_n jacobite_n and_o other_o church_n call_v schismatic_n of_o the_o belief_n of_o the_o latin_n in_o the_o seven_o and_o 8_o century_n and_o of_o the_o consequence_n which_o mr._n arnaud_n draw_v from_o the_o pretend_a consent_n of_o these_o church_n on_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o real_a presence_n and_o transubstantiation_n chap._n i._o of_o the_o moscovite_n that_o the_o moscovite_n do_v not_o believe_v transubstantiation_n page_n 1_o chap._n ii_o of_o the_o armenian_n that_o the_o armenian_n do_v not_o believe_v transubstantiation_n first_o proof_n take_v from_o that_o the_o armenian_n believe_v the_o human_a nature_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n be_v swallow_v up_o by_o the_o divinity_n 14_o chap._n iii_o the_o testimony_n of_o some_o author_n who_o express_o say_v or_o suppose_v that_o the_o armenian_n hold_v not_o transubstantiation_n 26_o chap._n iu_o testimony_n of_o several_a other_o author_n that_o affirm_v the_o armenian_n deny_v transubstantiation_n and_o the_o real_a presence_n 38_o chap._n v._o mr._n arnaud_n proof_n touch_v the_o armenian_n examine_v 44_o chap._n vi_o of_o the_o nestorian_n maronites_n jacobite_n coptic_o and_o ethiopian_n that_o they_o hold_v not_o transubstantiation_n 50_o chap._n vii_o mr._n arnaud_n eight_o book_n touch_v the_o sentiment_n of_o the_o latin_n on_o the_o mystery_n of_o the_o eucharist_n since_o the_o year_n 700_o till_o paschasius_fw-la his_o time_n examine_v 61_o chap._n viii_o a_o examination_n of_o these_o expression_n of_o the_o father_n that_o the_o eucharist_n be_v the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n the_o proper_a body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n proper_o the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n the_o very_a body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n the_o true_a body_n or_o true_o the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n 71_o chap._n ix_o that_o the_o father_n of_o the_o seven_o and_o 8_o century_n hold_v not_o transubstantiation_n nor_o the_o substantial_a presence_n 89_o chap._n x._o a_o examination_n of_o the_o consequence_n which_o mr._n arnaud_n draw_v from_o the_o pretend_a consent_n of_o all_o the_o christian_a church_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n and_o the_o real_a presence_n 98_o chap._n xi_o other_o reflection_n on_o mr._n arnaud_n consequence_n 106_o book_n vi_o concern_v the_o change_n which_o have_v happen_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o latin_a church_n touch_v the_o eucharist_n that_o this_o change_n be_v not_o impossible_a and_o that_o it_o have_v effectual_o happen_v chap._n i._n the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n touch_v the_o distinct_a knowledge_n of_o the_o presence_n or_o real_a absence_n 119_o chap._n ii_o mr._n arnaud_n proceed_n consider_v his_o unjust_a reproach_n also_o examine_v 131_o chap._n iii_o a_o defence_n of_o the_o second_o three_o and_o four_o rank_n of_o person_n against_o the_o objection_n of_o mr._n arnaud_n 143_o chap._n iu_o a_o defence_n of_o the_o five_o rank_n against_o mr._n arnaud_n objection_n 154_o chap._n v._o general_n consideration_n on_o mr._n arnaud_n nine_o book_n a_o examination_n of_o the_o objection_n which_o he_o propose_v against_o what_o he_o call_v machines_n of_o abridgement_n and_o machines_n of_o preparation_n 163_o chap._n vi_o mr_n arnaud_n objection_n against_o what_o he_o call_v the_o machines_n of_o mollification_n and_o the_o machines_n of_o execution_n examine_v the_o state_n of_o the_o 12_o century_n 172_o chap._n vii_o mr._n arnaud_n objection_n against_o what_o he_o term_v machines_n of_o forgetfulness_n examine_v the_o example_n of_o the_o insensible_a change_n allege_v in_o answer_n to_o the_o perpetuity_n defend_v 188_o chap._n viii_o that_o paschasius_fw-la ratbert_n be_v the_o first_o that_o teach_v the_o real_a presence_n and_o conversion_n of_o substance_n mr._n arnaud_n objection_n answer_v 198_o chap._n ix_o proof_n that_o paschasius_fw-la be_v a_o innovator_n 214_o chap._n x._o of_o author_n in_o the_o 9th_o century_n walafridus_n strabo_n florus_n remy_n of_o auxerre_n christian_n drutmar_n 229_o chap._n xi_o of_o other_o author_n in_o the_o 9th_o century_n amalarius_n heribald_n raban_n bertram_n and_o john_n scot_n 242_o chap._n xii_o of_o personal_a difference_n which_o mr._n arnaud_n have_v treat_v of_o in_o his_o 11_o book_n 259_o a_o answer_n to_o the_o dissertation_n which_o be_v at_o the_o end_n of_o mr._n arnaud_n '_o s_o book_n touch_v the_o treatise_n of_o our_o lord_n body_n and_o blood_n publish_v under_o the_o name_n of_o bertram_n and_o touch_v the_o authority_n of_o john_n scot_n or_o erigenus_n the_o first_o part._n wherein_o be_v show_v that_o the_o book_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n publish_a under_o the_o name_n of_o bertram_n be_v a_o work_n of_o ratram_n a_o monk_n of_o corby_n and_o not_o of_o john_n scot._n chap._n i._n a_o account_n of_o the_o several_a opinion_n which_o the_o doctor_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n have_v offer_v touch_v this_o book_n to_o hinder_v the_o advantage_n which_o we_o draw_v from_o it_o 277_o chap._n ii_o that_o what_o the_o author_n of_o the_o dissertation_n will_v reform_v in_o the_o opinion_n of_o mr._n de_fw-fr marca_n do_v not_o at_o all_o make_v it_o the_o more_o probable_a 282_o chap._n iii_o that_o ratram_n be_v the_o author_n of_o the_o book_n of_o our_o lord_n body_n and_o blood_n publish_v under_o the_o name_n of_o bertram_z 284_o chap._n iu_o a_o refutation_n of_o what_o the_o author_n of_o the_o dissertation_n offer_v to_o persuade_v that_o the_o book_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n publish_v under_o the_o name_n of_o bertram_n be_v of_o john_n scot_n 292_o chap._n v._o other_o difficulty_n which_o the_o author_n of_o the_o dissertation_n form_n on_o the_o name_n of_o bertram_n examine_v 299_o the_o second_o part._n that_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o book_n of_o our_o lord_n body_n and_o blood_n publish_a under_o the_o name_n of_o bertram_n will_v be_v still_o of_o great_a weight_n if_o we_o suppose_v john_n scot_n to_o be_v the_o author_n of_o it_o chap._n vi_o that_o john_n scot_n be_v great_o esteem_v both_o in_o his_o own_o age_n and_o in_o the_o follow_a one_o 303_o chap._n vii_o a_o examination_n of_o what_o the_o author_n of_o the_o dissertation_n allege_v against_o the_o employ_v of_o john_n scot_n 306_o chap._n viii_o that_o john_n scot_n be_v esteem_v a_o martyr_n 311_o the_o end_n of_o the_o table_n 1683_o coenantibus_fw-la ejs_fw-la accepit_fw-la jesus_n panem_fw-la et_fw-la benedixit_fw-la at_o fregit_fw-la deditque_fw-la discipulis_fw-la fuis_fw-la et_fw-fr ait_fw-fr accipite_fw-la et_fw-la comedite_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la &_o and_n as_o they_o do_v eat_v jesus_n take_v the_o bread_n and_o when_o he_o have_v bless_v he_o break_v it_o and_o give_v it_o to_o the_o disciple_n and_o say_v take_v eat_v this_o my_o body_n mat._n 26._o a_o answer_n to_o mr._n arnaud_n book_n intit'led_a the_o perpetuity_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n touch_v the_o eucharist_n defend_v book_n i._n wherein_o be_v treat_v of_o the_o method_n which_o the_o author_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n have_v follow_v chap._n i._n that_o i_o have_v reason_n to_o take_v for_o grant_v as_o i_o have_v
the_o year_n 1514_o relate_v the_o same_o thing_n of_o the_o moscovite_n who_o religion_n as_o every_o one_o know_v be_v in_o a_o manner_n the_o same_o with_o that_o of_o the_o greek_n as_o to_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n say_v he_o which_o they_o consecrate_v 1514._o raynald_n ad_fw-la ann_n 1514._o on_o the_o day_n in_o which_o our_o lord_n make_v his_o last_o supper_n they_o say_v that_o this_o only_a be_v proper_a for_o the_o sick_a and_o not_o that_o which_o be_v consecrate_v at_o other_o time_n so_o that_o they_o consecrate_v bread_n on_o that_o day_n for_o the_o whole_a year_n in_o a_o chalice_n prepare_v for_o that_o purpose_n and_o put_v it_o dry_a and_o full_a of_o maggot_n as_o it_o be_v into_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o sick_a with_o a_o spoon_n possevin_n the_o jesuit_n in_o the_o writing_n he_o present_v to_o the_o great_a duke_n of_o muscovia_n in_o the_o year_n 158â—_n in_o which_o he_o reckon_v up_o the_o error_n of_o the_o greek_n especial_o remark_n this_o as_o one_o of_o the_o chief_a they_o err_v say_v he_o 43._o possevin_n in_o mosc_n pag._n 43._o in_o say_v the_o most_o excellent_a sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n which_o be_v consecrate_v on_o the_o day_n in_o which_o our_o lord_n make_v his_o last_o supper_n be_v more_o efficacious_a and_o of_o great_a virtue_n than_o that_o which_o be_v consecrate_v on_o other_o day_n anthony_n caucus_n archbishop_n of_o corcyra_n in_o his_o relation_n of_o the_o error_n of_o the_o greek_n to_o pope_n gregory_n the_o xiii_o observe_v likewise_o in_o the_o 14_o article_n that_o they_o hold_v the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n which_o be_v consecrate_v on_o the_o day_n in_o which_o our_o lord_n make_v his_o last_o supper_n have_v a_o great_a virtue_n than_o that_o consecrate_a on_o other_o time_n allatius_n mention_n this_o article_n of_o caucus_n among_o other_o which_o he_o censure_v as_o calumny_n but_o although_o he_o be_v very_o earnest_a to_o refute_v this_o archbishop_n and_o treat_v he_o as_o unworthy_o as_o may_v be_v without_o any_o respect_n to_o his_o dignity_n even_o to_o the_o call_n of_o he_o os_fw-la durum_fw-la &_o stygium_fw-la non_fw-la nisi_fw-la mentiri_fw-la gnarum_fw-la yet_o have_v not_o he_o 17._o allat_n de_fw-fr perpet_n con_fw-la lib._n 3._o cap._n 17._o dare_v to_o touch_v on_o this_o article_n in_o particular_a and_o his_o outrage_n only_o confirm_v in_o this_o regard_n the_o authority_n of_o caucus_n and_o the_o truth_n of_o his_o relation_n alphonsus_n de_fw-fr castro_n attribute_n this_o same_o opinion_n to_o the_o greek_n 9_o alphonsus_n de_fw-fr castro_n adv_fw-la baeres_fw-la lib._n 6._o tit_n de_fw-fr euchar._n haeres_fw-la 9_o he_o allege_v for_o this_o effect_n the_o testimony_n of_o guy_n carmus_fw-la and_o although_o he_o have_v be_v accustom_a not_o to_o spare_v he_o in_o his_o censure_n whensoever_o he_o can_v find_v the_o least_o occasion_n yet_o do_v he_o agree_v with_o he_o in_o this_o particular_a say_v we_o must_v not_o wonder_v if_o the_o greek_n be_v in_o this_o error_n see_v the_o genius_n of_o that_o people_n lie_v in_o express_v themselves_o after_o a_o vain_a manner_n and_o in_o invent_v of_o fable_n arcudius_n confirm_v the_o same_o thing_n there_o be_v say_v he_o people_z so_o 55._o areud_a lib._n 3._o cap._n 55._o impertinent_a as_o to_o believe_v the_o holy_a eucharist_n which_o be_v prepare_v on_o that_o day_n holy_a thursday_n have_v a_o great_a virtue_n to_o sanctify_v they_o who_o receive_v it_o than_o that_o which_o be_v consecrate_v on_o another_o day_n as_o if_o it_o be_v not_o still_o the_o same_o jesus_n christ_n or_o as_o if_o our_o lord_n be_v at_o sometime_o more_o powerful_a than_o at_o other_o if_o it_o be_v demand_v what_o consequence_n we_o can_v hence_o draw_v against_o transubstantiation_n i_o answer_v it_o appear_v plain_a enough_o in_o itself_o for_o if_o we_o suppose_v the_o greek_n hold_v the_o eucharist_n to_o be_v make_v the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n in_o virtue_n and_o efficacy_n by_o mean_n of_o this_o abundant_a sanctification_n which_o the_o bread_n receive_v we_o shall_v not_o find_v any_o absurdity_n in_o this_o other_o opinion_n which_o they_o hold_v concern_v the_o eucharist_n consecrate_v on_o holy_a thursday_n namely_o that_o it_o be_v more_o efficacious_a than_o that_o consecrate_a on_o other_o day_n for_o this_o sanctification_n of_o the_o bread_n and_o quicken_a grace_n which_o accompany_v it_o may_v have_v its_o degree_n it_o receive_v more_o and_o less_o as_o the_o schoolman_n speak_v but_o if_o you_o suppose_v the_o eucharist_n to_o be_v make_v the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n by_o conversion_n of_o substance_n this_o more_o and_o this_o less_o which_o they_o imagine_v can_v be_v admit_v it_o be_v true_a indeed_o that_o the_o sacrament_n will_v produce_v various_a effect_n according_a to_o the_o various_a disposition_n of_o the_o person_n who_o receive_v it_o and_o according_a as_o there_o shall_v be_v more_o or_o 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