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A09107	A relation of the triall made before the King of France, vpon the yeare 1600 betvveene the Bishop of Eureux, and the L. Plessis Mornay About certayne pointes of corrupting and falsifying authors, wherof the said Plessis was openly conuicted. Newly reuewed, and sett forth againe, with a defence therof, against the impugnations both of the L. Plessis in France, & of O.E. in England. By N.D.	Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.	1604 (1604)	STC 19413; ESTC S121884	121,818	242

base and vnworthy aduersaryes pleasure is saith he to contend with me about certayne small quyrks and questions about certayne pretended vntruthes and falsifications c. And againe Your honour shall perceaue the great weaknesse of our aduersaryes and the pouerty of the principall actors in the same vvho abandoninge the mayne points in controuersie begin now to picke quarrells at words allegations points quotations and other by-matters and ceasing to ioyne with vs and like diuines to argue and dispute fall to plaine calumniation and rayling Thus he And heere againe I doubt not but the Lord Vmpyre will laugh to heare Sutcliffe accoumpt the falsification of Fathers Doctors and auncient wryters and this both in words sense alleaging them expressely against their owne meaninge to be but quirkes quarrells and questions about words points quotations and other such by-matters as yf two contending about some great inheritance and the one obiectinge that his aduersary had falsifyed the euidences whereby the whole controuersy must be tryed the other should answere that these are but quirks and by-matters And this is the accoumpt which Maister Sutcliffe and his people do make of false or true dealinge or changinge choppinge alteringe or peruertinge the authors whome they alleage as yt maketh best for their purpose But we on the contrary side must heere professe as men bound to strict truth that we esteeme highly of these matters not only in cheefe points of controuersies the beleefe wherof concerneth our soules but euen in lesse matters also for that they discouer a badd mynd wicked conscience whersoeuer they are found wittingly and willingly comitted and yet are not we so rigorous in this point but that we do easily allow vnto Maister Sutcliffe that which in this epistle to Syr Robert he demandeth for himselfe sayinge Do what a man can yet may ●ther marginall notes be misplaced or words stand-disorderly or things be mistaken This I say we easily graunt neither was there euer I thinke any controuersie hitherto betweene vs about misplacinge of marginall notes or disorderly standinge of words so they altered not the true sense of the authors which yet yt hath pleased Maister Sutcliffe disorderly to bring in to the end he might seeme that the accusations laid against him are for such trifles but neither these trifles nor the mistakinge of matters themselues so yt be without fraud are vrged by vs against them but only where wilfull deceyt is euident and where the deceauer cannot morally be thought to haue byn ignorant of his deceyt These I say are the faults which we obiect vnto Maister Sutcliffe and his fellowes and not misplacing of marginall notes or mistandinge of words points or quotaetions nay we may ad a further degree of false dealinge that hath no excuse in the world which is that where the falshood is euidēt and cannot be denyed nor by any probable meanes defended yet not to confesse the same nor to excuse yt by ignorance forgetfullnes trust vpon other men or by any like error but to continue and bolster out the same by other sleights and new frauds this I say is the highest degree of all falshood and impudency vsed as now yow haue seene both by Maister Plessis in his reply after his first confutation and much more by Maister Sutcliffe his aduocate in his broken defence and the like we shall see practised againe by him afterward in this Chapter vpon like occasions of defendinge himselfe and his owne wrytings Concerninge which wrytings he demaūdeth in his said epistle to Syr Robert Cecill as also in his preface to the reader a certaine priuiledge from the ciuill law which is that when diuers cases are proposed by one party in law to be admitted or excepted against by the other and that the other excepteth only against some and letteth passe the rest then yt is to be vnderstood saith the law that those which are not excepted against are admitted Which benefitt Maister Sutcliffe would haue allowed to his chalenge that is wheras E. O. hath excepted only against some 26. places of Fathers and Doctors corrupted and falsifyed by him all the rest besides these 26. might be held as free from corruption Yf lawyers say true saith he that exceptions confirme the rule in cases not excepted then hath my aduersary confirmed the mayne discourse against Persons and his adherents hauinge not said any thing vnto yt but only excepted against a few places wherof he taketh 13. to be vntruly alleaged and 13. to be falsifyed And againe in his preface to the reader yf he be not able to except against more places then 26. or ther about yt is cleere that I haue said true in the rest and that I haue argued and alleaged authorityes to good purpose So he And will not heere our iudge laugh againe thinke yow to see this poore man endeauour so diligently to authorize his booke by the accusations of his aduersary and by a priuiledge drawne from the Ciuill law The rule alleaged of exceptions doth hold only where some few cases are proposed to be excepted against by the aduerse party but it holdeth not in a mayne booke where the points are many and almost infinite that are handled and proposed and out of which is lawfull for any accuser to take his accusations where he will without authorizinge or ratifyinge the rest and in our common law of England no man can be ignorant but that yf one should be accused for example for stealinge of 5. sheepe and should acquitte himselfe therof yet this would not barre any other accuser that would afterward call him into tryall for hauing stolen fiftye more Wherfore Maister Sutcliffe can not shroud himselfe by this but that other men also may examine his chalenge besides E. O. as we haue seene that VV. R. hath done and gathered out an infinite huge heape of vntruthes and if I ghesse not amisse not much lesse then a hundred in one Chapter Wherfore seing Sutcliffe is so earnest to prouoke intreate aduersaryes to wryte against him yt is reason he prepare himselfe to answere all commers not to slipp away vnder the shaddow of a Ciuilian rule or priuiledge for so much as he is an Englishman consequently must be tryed by the common law of the land And this may suffice for this first part of his new worke standinge in epistles prefaces except yow would haue a breefe example represented yow heere at this very beginning of the manner of answering and shiftinge which he meaneth to vse afterwards in his whole discourse and therby know the man his talent euen at his first entrance Heare then how he answereth a speach of his aduersary touching the continuance of Catholike Religion My aduersary saith he calleth Popish Religion Catholike affirmeth it was plāted heere by Gregory the great c. and that it was alwayes visible since Christ c. but he should do well to shew how true

themselues Concerning which Acts yow are to consider that about some two or three monethes after the said conference at Fountayne-bleau that is to say in the moneth of August wheras this conference was made vpon the fourth of May in the same yeare 1600. the Catholiks remayninge quiett and content with the victory of truth that had fallen out in their fauour Monsieur Plessis and his Hugonote Ministers hauinge departed and broken vp the said conference in the manner and sort which a little after yow shall heare and findinge themselues extreemely gauled with so dishonourable an euent resolued for some remedy to sett forth a certayne discourse in French without name of the Author the Title heerof was A true discourse of the conference held at Fountayne-bleau c. In which discourse they endeauoured to handle three thinges First touchinge the history of matters passed therin carpinge bitterly heere and theere both at the King and Chancelour and other Assistants Iudges as disfauourable and partiall in many points against them and their cause which is refuted by the defender to witt and B. of Eureux himselfe by the publike Acts and records of the conference and be the depositions of 200. persons as presently yow shall heare him affirme Secondly they diuised vpon better deliberation new defences for the points wherin they had byn condemned in the conference as both the Arrians did after the Councell of Nice wherin they were condemned and the Donatists after their conference with the Catholiks at Carthage and as euery man condemned at our English barres would do yf they might haue replyes allowed them after their condemnations The third point of euasion vsed by them is recrimination that is to say to shew that others also do falsifie besides them and haue vsed fraud in their quotations which though yt were true as in the particulars obiected is shewed by the defender that they are all false yet were it no honourable defence as each man will confesse And this is the summe of that discourse and the confutation therof Now then for so much as Plessis and his frends had published this false discourse yt was thought good by the K. his Councell vpon request of the Catholiks that the authenticall Acts of the said conference and all particularityes passed therin and taken fourth by seuerall publike notaryes appointed for that purpose before hand and one of them of the new religion should be examined anew vpon the depositions as well of the said notaryes as also of 200. more and so published to the world which was done and the whole presented to the K. by the B. of Eureux vpon the 29. of August in the same yeare 1600. which epistle for that it is short very substantiall I haue thought good to relate heere for a foundation of all that is to ●ollow for creditt of the Acts themselues Thus then he wryteth to the King himselfe that was present and an eye-witnesse of all To the Kinge Sire I would neuer haue beleeued that so publike renowned an action as that of the conference at Fountayne-bleau represented in one of the most illustrious Theaters of the world and adorned with the presence of your Maiestie of so many Princes officers of the crowne Counsellours of Estate and other Lords nobles of great marke could haue bin called in question or that any man could haue byn found that will dare to take vpō him to peruert or disguise the knowne verity therof for which cause I haue abstayned hitherto to wryte any thinge of that matter least by publishinge my priuate testimony therof I should seeme to enfeeble the depositions of 200. persons of more authenticall creditt then myne owne but yet seeing now that Monsieur du Plessis contrary to the saith and witnesse of so many eyes eares as were there present and contrary to the testimony both of the mouth and pen of your Maiestie hath cast forth into the field a certayne new discourse wherin by his eloquence of Pe●icles he will needs go about to persuade those that were present at the Conference cōtrary to that which they saw and those that were absent contrary to that which so credibly they haue heard I haue thought cōuenient by your Maiesties permission to lend him the paines of a few dayes labour for settinge forth the true description of the fact it selfe as yt passed and therby to dissolue all his cunninge illusions and inchauntments Wherfore Soueraigne Lord I do offer heer● vnto your Maiestie the simple verity of the history as she lyeth in the Acts in her naturall white habyt without colours or paintings most humbly beseechinge your highnesse that yow will vouchsafe to see the same or cause yt to be seene and examined by such of whose wisdome grauity your Maiestie standeth most assured and yf it shal be found to be such as heere I do qualifie yt that then permission may be giuen to publish the same for a faithfull image and representation to posterity of that which there fell out And yf Monsieur du Plessis do hold himselfe content with that which passed in this conference he hath in his hands other 52. articles to be examined as the remnant of those 60. which were agreed vpon for the first Conference from which he departed without bidding any man fare well and hath had tyme inough since that to study better vpon them I for my part am ready to giue him the same exercise vpon the said articles as I did vpon the other 9. handled at Fountayne bleau and after these ended to come to the other that do remaine of the 500. falsifications which I haue bound my selfe to proue against him and so much the more willingly would I passe to the examination of those other articles by how much more graue the authors are and the matters more important his deprauations more enormous then those we haue handled as chosen out by himselfe and in the meane space I shall lifte vp my hands to heauen pray almighty God to continue his grace towards your Maiesty from better to better and to establish his Kingdome togeather with yours c. At Condie this 29. of August 1600. This was the letter and request of the B. of Eureux for examination and publishinge of the Acts whervnto the K. agreeing cōmytted the reuew therof vnto certayne of his Counselle which had byn present at the said conference and findinge the same to be sincere and true in all respects as his Maiestie testifieth gaue order for the publication therof by his letters patents signed at Lyons in France the 22. of December 1600. Wherfore out of these acts as most true and authenticall I shall frame this my defence though very breifely against the extrauagant ouerlashings of O. E. in his answere who saith denyeth at his pleasure without authority wyttnesse reason or probability as after shall appeare by that which ensueth WHAT IS CONTEYNED MORE IN