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A43114 The Quaker converted to Christianity re-established, upon the same, sure, safe, and only foundation, Jesus Christ crucified, and his righteousness imputed for justification : having yet no mind to change the sweet and easie Yoke of Christ's Gospel, for the Old Covenant-Yoke of Quakerism, which he found so burdensome and intolerable, or, A full reply to a book entituled, Rebellion rebuked written by John Crook and William Baily, both in the ministry among the Quakers / written by William Haworth ... ; with an account from William Dimsdale ... Haworth, William.; Dimsdale, William. 1674 (1674) Wing H1196; ESTC R513 168,839 185

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into the Pot What the Son only Son begotten Son begotten within us them 〈◊〉 he have a beginning and original and so many as there are works of Sanctification and the Spirit must be the Father which proceeded from the Father and the Son according to the Scriptures Now John who is the Blasp●emer Repent for this I Beseech thee that it may be forgiven thee Another was Bebeaded for the Testimony of Jesus i. e. said'st thou to part with all Carnal Wisdom and Reasonings that is beheading Now who would not think John but that thou art beheaded And yet thou hast lost all thy u●derstanding and judgment thus to abuse the Scriptures Like unto thi● is thy applying this in Zachary to the work of the Lord in my Conscience I would not submit thou sayest t● the King of Zion but would be saved without having him Rule in and over me that came meek and low Riding on that Wild Asses Colt on which Man never Rode now I suppose that thou meanest by Christ's Riding on the Asses Col● subduing that Wildness tha● was in me that no huma●e power could do now it would be very difficult for thee to hold on the Allegory and tell us if the wild Nature 〈…〉 was the Asses Colt what was the Ass that this was the Fole of for 〈◊〉 are mentioned in Matthew What was the Village from whence this 〈◊〉 came and what is to be denoted by the owner what were those Cloths that were spread upon the Asses and in the way and what those Branches and what by those that cryed Hosanna what those Sto●es tha● would cry bu● in ease the Disciples had held their tong●e and what that Jerusalem 〈…〉 which Christ Rode All these must be distinct things in Man I will give thee a taste of this way of Allegorizing the Scripture from 〈◊〉 Author that writ against thy Brethren Crellius and S●cinus who 〈◊〉 wont thus to interpret Scripture see hereby how easie it is to the meak 〈◊〉 taking how dangerous When Moses delivers to us the History of Creation why may we not understand In the beginning for the beginning of the Mosaical Dispensation God Created the Heavens and the Earth i. e. erected the Jewish Polity by new Heavens and new Earth wherein dwelleth Righteousness c. spoke of in the Epistle of Peter is meant a new State of things under the Gospel And the Earth was without Form and void and Darkness was upon the face of the Deep i. e. The World was in a State of Darkness and Ignorance before the Law of Moses v. 3. God said ●et there be Light and v. 5. And God called the Light Day this was the first tendencies to the Doctrine of Moses v. 16. God made two great Lights the greater Light to Rule the Day the lesser 〈◊〉 the Night i.e. This Law which at first was divided and scattered was united afterwards in one great Body of Laws which was called the Sun because it was the great director of the Jewish Natio● and therefore said to rule the Day that people that had Light the less considerable Laws of other Nations are the Moon to govern those that were yet under the Night of ignorance v. 6. God said let there be a Firmament in the midst of the Waters i. e. The Jewish State was to be erected in the midst of a great deal of trouble Waters are often taken for troubles and afflictions v. 9. Let dry Land appear the Waters being gathered together i.e. The Jewish State was to be setled after all these troubles but more particularly this was to done after the passage through the Sea v. 12. And the Earth brought forth Grass and herbs c. i. e. There was a great increase of the people some of the meaner sort those are called Herbs and Fruits But v. 24. The Earth brought forth the Living-Creature i. e. These were an higher sort and Rank of people that were to live upon the other and trample upon them that there were several days in the Creation of making things one after another which denoteth that the increase of the Church was not all at once but by Steps and degrees By Gods making the Man and the Woman and then placing them in Paradise is meant the flourishing of the Jewish State and Church after all this and an enjoying rest and pleasure The Church in the Re●●lation is set forth by a Woman and a perfect Man signifieth an high degree of perfection so it is the Church of the Jews being brought up to an high degree of perfection There was a forbidden Tree that was not to be ●aten of i. e. The customs of other Nations their eating was the Jewish Church falling into those Customs Their being turned out of Paradise was the loss of their own Country the Curse was the loss of their settlement and State and being in slavery and captivity to other Nations This may help thee as a pattern to turn this and other Scriptures into an 〈◊〉 or Metaphor applying them to the Light within and your Quakers as this to the Law of Moses and the Jews which is already your way if you could but hit thus happily upon it Thou speakest of thy tenderness to me in the conference Apostle-like now 〈◊〉 comes with a Rod well I must be thankful to thee that thou didst not 〈◊〉 Chastise me then Thou hadst I perceive an high Spirit of discerning in thee and I know thou sayest the good and honesty in thee answered to my Love c. Thy Love must either be very little and so the good and honesty very little that answered or else it was not good and honesty of the right kind or else thy discerning eyes very dim if thou hadst not quite lost the faculty for in two days time all this good and honesty was gone See what thou sayest viz. Vntil the next discourse which was within two days then nothing but heat and passion and eying reputation this is like thy Brother J. Bolton in London that told me that I had a double portion of the Light a fortnight after comes to Hartford and tells me when I opposed his Error● that I had not one dram of the Spirit Such is thy discerning Faculty and I thank thee in the close now that thou hast reckoned me up among the wicked ones in the latter days in Daniel spoke of viz. to grow worse and worse and how proves thou it Because of my opposition to the Quakers and likewise my deportment shews it having turned my wonted Gravity into a Light Vain c. Lofty Confident and Presumptuous Carriage Had I been told so much by my Christian Friends whom I converse with it had concerned me much whom I have asked since this Epistle came forth whether such a carriage is used by me and I do still appeal to them and a● willing to fall under any just reproof for this thing A Vain Light Lofty Presumptuous Carriage being unbecoming the Ministry But surely thou
thou mentionest 〈◊〉 the Pharisees themselves with their erroneous Principles directly such ● sort of People as the Quakers as thou mayest see in the Answer to Crook and the Lords hand will assuredly pluck up all Heresies and H●reticks in due time In Pag. 33. He pretends to describe the Glorious State of the Kingdom of Christ as brought in by Obedience to the Light Within Read it over for it is too long to Transcribe and you will see this is the sum of it viz. That all the Earth would become outwardly reformed living Peaceably Sobe● Civil Neighbours one to another not wronging one another that Law-Suits and Wars would be no more but every 〈◊〉 growing Rich Building and Planting they would all have Vines and Fig-trees and so sit under them in Peace and Eat and Drink the good of the Land Live merry sensual proud lives yet all this while Carnal Ignorant have Lusts Reigning in their hearts not a Dram of the Knowledg of a Mediator or any thing of the Spirit of the Son upon them not a word of that in all this but only guided by the Light within i. e. In a word the Subjects of this Kingdom and all Inhabitants of the World will all be Quakers honest civil Heathens and Baily apprehends this Kingdom will never come till we all take up this Principle of obeying the Light of Nature and so turn Quakers Baily saith peremptorily that Christ's Kingdom would come this way viz. By attendance to the Light and appeals to the wise in heart to Judg. Now let the Judgment be made from these two Scriptures that he hath quoted Isa 2.4 and Micah 4.2 For out of Zion shall go forth the Law and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem Whether is this the Light within that every Man hath or the Preaching of the Gospel by Apostles is the question Now to resolve it what we are to understand by the Law going forth from Zion and the word from Jerusalem whether it was not the Apostles Preaching first to the Jews according to their Commission they were sent to the lost Sheep of the House of Israel and not to go into the way of the Gentiles and this they did and when they had done it then they turned to the Gentiles The Preaching of the Gospel did thus go out of Zion and from Jerusalem from among the Jews to the Gentiles the Law of works was from Mount Sinai but the Law of Faith as it is called Rom. 3.27 did come from Mount Zion according to that in Luke 24.47 That Repentance and Re●●●● of sins should be Preached in his Name among all Nations beginning Jerusalem Whether was it this Doctrine or the Doctrine that George Fox ●●●ght out of the Mountains in the North about 20. years since that 〈◊〉 in the Kingdom of Christ Let the wise Judg 〈◊〉 34. Baily Thou art running the same round again like in the 2 Paragraph thou hast this How would the very Root of wickedness decay and wither inwardly if all were ceased from outwardly would it 〈◊〉 speak Barrenness if no Fruit appeared Reply By this it 's clear what the Quakers Kingdom of Christ is that this Man hath spoke of what a Reformation they would have wrought in the World only outward if this be not right Pharisaism where is there any to paint the outside when all is full of Rottenness within not a word of any change of heart but thou supposest necessarily that if no Fruit outwardly the Root must decay when-as some external means as Cold Mildews Blastings Shakings by Wind may the away all the Fruit of a Tree and yet it 's Root be in it 's full Life and Vigour may not fear of the Law awe of Parents the strength of 〈◊〉 Disease Old Age take many off their Practice of Sin when-as at the same time the Love of it is in their Hearts thus we have counted the number of the Beast as thou biddest us and see that the Quakers Religion is meerly external Before we leave this let the Reader take notice how this blind Man perverts that Scripture 1 John 3.8 For this purpose was the Son of God manifested that he might destroy the works of the Devil and puts a mark upon it applying it to the Light within every Man calling it the Son of God who was of the same Nature with the Father the Jews knew that who-ever called himself the Son of God made himself God and therefore they charged Christ with Blasphemy and would have stoned him when he called God Father now here it 's plain he calls this Light of Nature the Son of God coequal coeternal with the Father An Eternal Father must have an eternal Son this is the 5th time of thy Blasphemy Now would you know what the manifestation of the Son of God is nothing but Obedience to the Light and Christ's destroying the works of the Devil only some outward Reformation attained by Obedience to the Light according to the Quakers The other Scripture is Matth. 28.18 All Power is given to me in Heaven and in Earth Bayly Why dost thou leave out these last words viz. in Heaven and in Earth why dost thou quote Scriptures as Satan did omitting 〈◊〉 thereof now Answer is all power in Heaven and Earth given to the Light within which is in every Drunkard Swearer and Robber● If so this Light then is to send forth Apostles as Christ did at that time he spoke this of himself and they are to Preach in the Name of this Light and teach them to observe all things that this Light commandeth and this Light is with them to the end of the World and this would enable them to cast out Devils to convert many and would give Eternal Life to as many as it pleased John 17.2 there it is said as tho● hast given him power over all flesh that he should give Eternal Life to as many as thou hast given him Doth not thy Ears tingle Reader and thy Heart tremble at these Rampant Blasphemies B. pag. 35. And W. H. saith that the Righteousness of Faith by which we are Justified is wholly without us and that the Father hath poured out all his Wrath upon his Son Jesus Christ now if this Doctrine 〈◊〉 true and sound Doctrine there is no need to fear miscarriages for there is 〈◊〉 Wrath left to punish sinners if all be poured out upon Jesus Christ Reply I have already given Answer to this Cavil consisting of two Branches As for the first touching the Righteousness of Faith I have abundantly spoke to it as the Reader may find in many places both in my Answer to Crook and this Caviller and to the other concerning Gods pouring out his Wrath but will add here a little to that This is true Baily rightly understood as it 's spoke of in the Epistle viz. That the Father poured out all his Wrath upon his Son Jesus Christ by the Wrath of God we understand as in the Epistle may