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An answer to the challenge of Mr. Henry Jennings (Protestant Arch-Deacon of Dromore) which evidently makes-out the present Church of Romes doctrine to have been maintain'd in the first five ages, & the adversarys principles to be only a heap of heresies lawfully condemn'd by the primitive Church. To which is annexed An answer to one Whealy. Set forth by James O Shiell reader of Divinity.
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O'Sheill, James.
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Wing O530A; ESTC R214539
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golden censer there was given unto him much incense that he shou'd offer it with the prayers of all Saints upon the golden Altar which was before the throne the smoake of the incense which came with the prayers of the Saints ascended up before God out of the Angels hands we read in the 2. book of the Maccabees c. 15. that Judas Machabeus had seen Onias the high Priest and Jeremiah the Prophet after their death interceding to God for the people of Israel and that this book is Canonical I will prove in my answer to the next point we read also in the 15 c. v. â— of Jeremiah that the Lord spoke unto him saying thus Tho' Moses and Samuel stood before me yet my minde cou'd not be towords this people cast them out of my sight and let thâ—â— go forth which words our Lorâ— wou'd not have said If Moses â— Samuel tho' dead were not woâ—â— to interced for the Jewes whiâ—â— may be confirm'd out of Exodâ— c. 32 v. 13. where we read thâ—â— Moses himself beg'd of the Lorâ— to shew his mercy to the peoplâ— for the sake of Abraham Isaac aâ—â— Israel his own servants for as Theodoret q. 67. on Exod sayeâ— Moses thinking himself so â—â— insufficient to pacifie the Lordâ— he sets down not only his oâ—â— promise but also the aforsaiâ— Patriarchs merits that the rebâ— the Lord might be more williâ—â— to have commisseration upon thâ— people and pardon them whicâ— then he did as is manifest by the 14 v. of the same chap. Moses also endeavour'd an other time to pacifie the Lord's fury thro' the aforsaid Patriarchs merits assistance as is evident out of Deut. c. 9. v. 27 wherre he sayes thus remember they servaÌ„ts Abraham Isaac and Jacob looke not unto the stoubbornness of this people nor to their wickedness nor to their sinne Was it not for the sake of Abraham tho' dead his son Isaac obtain'd several requests favours from the Lord Genesis c. 26. v. 3. 4 5. 24. wou'd not the Lord divide Salomon's Kindom give it to his servants If it had not been for the sake of David as may be seen ïn the 3 book of Kings c. 11. v. 11. 12. was it not for the sake of David Aby as obtain'd that his son Asa reign'd in Jerusalem as may be seen in the same book c. 15. v. 4. was it not also for the sake of David tho' dead the Lord sav'd the city of Jerusalem from being destroy'd by the Assyrians as is evident out of the 4th book of Kingâ— c. 19. v. 32 3â— â— 20. v. 6. when Salomon beg'd any great request from the Lord was not he wont to set down the merits of David that thereby he might the sooner obtain his request as may be seen in the 131. Psalm v. 1. 10. which is in the Protestant bible the 132. Psalm Now let the reader consider what a great happiness it is to have a faithfull friend and Patron in great honour and request with God almighty thro' whoâ—e merits and intercission one may obtain several benefits which otherwise wou'd not be granted as the premisses do evidently make-out for as God almighty was graciously pleas'd thro' the bountifullnesse of his infinite mercy to grant for the merits and intercession of these Patriarches who then were but in Limbo Patrum so many benefits and requests to those whom they protected in this world why also now in the law of grace wou'd not the same God most mercyfully grant us any lawfull request for the intercession and great merits of his holy Mother beloved Apostles faithfull Martyres and true Confessors who are in great honour and request residing with himself in â—eaven Especially being this dose not derogate to the honour of Christ as I will prove by the following passage If it be unlawfull to invocate Angel Saints either it is because they kâ—nown not what we say or because it wou'd derogate to the honour of Christ who is said to be the mediator betwen God man according to that of John in his first Epist c. 2. v. 1. not for the first as I have already shew'd and shall confirm it by the following examples We read in the 4th book of Kings c. 5. v. 26 that Eliâ—ha knew tho' abâ—eÌ„t Gehazie's Simonie and in the c 6th v. 12. that Elisha also knew what was said in the King of Syria's private Chamber in the 15th c. v. 10. of Luke that the Angels of God doth rejoyce at the conversion of a sinner which is the greatest secret that one can have yet it can be known to the Angels and also to the Saints in heaven either by a distinct revelation from the clear vision of God's essence or by the visioÌ„ of themselves as S. Gregorie in his 2. book of Dialogues c. 3. affirms saying thus what is it that there they know not where they know him who knowes all Neither dose it derogate to the honour of Christ for the Church of Rome certainly believes Christ to be the chief Mediator betwen God and man as St Paul affirms in his Epist to Timothy c. 2. v. 5. therefore she dose not allow to invocate Angels or Saints in order to obtain any request immediatly and directly from themsleves for she acknowledges that to be a folly consequently not to be in their power So that she only allows to beg of them to join their prayers intercessioÌ„ with those of the faithfull that thereby they might the sooner easier obtain from God their requests thro' the meriâ—â— and inâ—eâ—cession of Jesus Christ which is manifest out of St. Leo's 2 Oration de Jejunio and also by the publick Orations of the Church wherein she implores the intercession of Angels and Saints for she wou'd have them to be efficacious thro' the assistance and merits of Christ it is therefore they alwayes end with the following words Per Domiâ—um nostrum Jesum Christum Filiâ—m â—â—um qui tâ—cum vivit et regnaâ— in unitate spiritus sainti Deus per osnnia saecula saeâ—ulorum A men whereby the reader may plainly perceâ—ve that the invocations of Saints dose not derogate to the honour of Christ otherwise St Paul might be accus'd for beseeching the Romans Colossians Hebreâ—s Theslalonians to assist himself in his prayers and also to pray for him to God as is eâ—ident by St Paul's own Epistles to the Romans c 15 v. 30. to the Hebrews c. 13. v. 18. 19. to the Colossians c. 4. v. 3. in his first and sâ—cond to the Thessalonians c. 5 v. 25. c 3. v. 1 so that the Adversary must either Confess the invocation of Saints not to derâ—gate Christ's honour or else to condemn St Paul's Doctrine for I dâ—fie him ever to make-out that the intercession of those who live in this world is acceptable to God nâ—t the intercession of â—hose who are coÌ„firm'd in grace glory or that one is prejudice to Christ
for the Martyres as they did for other people who dy'd because they knew that they did not want their payers but they wanted the Martyres â—rayers and in his 29. Ser of the Saints speaking of St Peter's Miracles he sayes thus If then the shadow of his body coul'd relieve how much more now the plenitude of his vertue If then a certain noise of him passing â—prevaic'd to these who beseech'd him â—â— much 〈◊〉 â—his 〈◊〉 graâ—s â—f the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 he may see â—ore of St 〈◊〉 Aâ—thorities 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Vâ—rbis Aposâ—oli â—â— his 〈◊〉 Qâ—â—◠〈◊〉 his book 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. 4. and in â—◠〈◊〉 â—n the 19. â— of 〈…〉 〈…〉 proâ—◠〈…〉 with the Authâ—◠〈◊〉 〈◊〉 General Coâ—cil of 〈…〉 Faâ—ers 〈◊〉 â—â—â—â— earnest◠〈◊〉 Flâ—â—ianus then 〈…〉 themselves as 〈◊〉 â—â— by the â—â— Action we â—â—reâ—d in the Bishopâ— of Euâ—â—ps 〈◊〉 to â—â—eo the Empâ—â—â—r 〈…〉 in the â—ater end of this Council that they declar'd themselves to acknowledge that holy Proâ—erius was register'd in the Cathologue of Marty res that they beg'd God Almighty to be favourable mercifull to themselves thro' his intercessioÌ„ all which Authorityes do evideÌ„tly make out that the Catholicks of the Primitive Church where accustom'd to invocate Saints Chap. 10 Proving that Purgatory was believ'd by those of the Primitive Church For the better intelligence of this point let the reader know that altho' the sinners crime is forgiveÌ„ yet the sinner under gose some temporal punishment as is manifest Numb c. 12. v 1. 2 10 14 where we read that when the sin of murmuring was forgiven to Mary by Moses intercession yet in punishment thereof she had the leprofie for the speace of seven dayes and was oblig'd to levâ— the whole camp during that time When the Israelites sinn'd against God and offer'd to rebel against Moses tho' their sinnes â—eâ—e forgiven thro' the Lord's infinite mercy and by the intercession of Moses yet in punishmeÌ„t of their crime several of them dy'd in the wilderness and never â—as admited to come to the land of promise Num â— 14 v. 19. 20 â—â— â— 24 3 7. also when David sinn'd against the Lord his crime was forgiven but in punishment thereof his son dy'd the â— book of Kings â— 12 v 13 14 18 finally we read in St Paul's first Epist to the Cormthians â— 11 v 30 that several of the Cormthians were mortifi'd by the Lord and also that some of them dy'd because they receiv'd unworthily the holy Sacrament but then their sins has been forgiven as is evident by the 32 v where St. Paul sayes the following words but when we are judg'd we 〈◊〉 chastized by the Lord that we shu'd not be condemn'd â—hereby the reader may plainly 〈◊〉 that God dose not 〈◊〉 the punishment as 〈…〉 forgiven the 〈…〉 â—emency and infinite mercy changes that eternal punishment into some temporal affliction 〈◊〉 if the sinner dose not undergo in this world he must suffeâ— for it after his dâ—ath before ever he shall enter into the KiÌ„gdom of â—eaven for nonâ— is receiv'd there untill he is even as clean fâ—om all manner of sin and fault as he was immediatly after his Baptism as witnesseth that of Iohn 〈◊〉 c 21. v 27 This presuppos'd I may lawfully inferr that therâ— must be some place of temporâ—l punishment â—â— order to purifie and cleanse nosâ—â—ouls who doe not perform 〈…〉 world and 〈…〉 sins to which â—ternal punishmeÌ„t is not due for it wou'd be a most uÌ„reasonable thig of us to believe that he who immediatly has been in the state of grace and dyes suddenly after speaking an idle word or committing some other smal offence shu'd be oblig'd to everlasting torments even as he who suddenly dyes without any kind of repentance after committing murder adultry or some other great crime therefore being he cannot inter the into heaven by reason of that small offence he must go to some other place untill he is purâ—â—i'd which I shall prove by the following argument what ever the old and new Testament the holy Fathers and Doctors of the Primitive Church several Councils true and wonderfull revelations affirms ought to be believ'd by all Christians but the old and new Testament the holy Fathers and Doctors of the Primitive Church several Councils true and wonderfull revelation affirms that which the Church of Rome calls Purgatory to be a place of temporal punishment wherin some souls are chastiz'd and purifi'd after leÌ„ving this world therefore Purgatory ought to be believ'd by all Christians the consequence is evident â—s we shall see hereafter and the major cannot be deny'd by any true Christian as for the minnor I will prove it after the same order wâ—ereiâ—â—â—'s fâ—â—â—'d therefore I â—ill begâ—n 〈◊〉 the Auâ—â—oâ—â—es of the old Testament We finâ— in the 6â— Psâ—â—â— which is the 〈◊〉 â—n the 〈◊〉 English 〈◊〉 3. 〈◊〉 in 〈◊〉 â—18 〈◊〉 O sâ—â— c. 〈◊〉 â—8 â—t 〈…〉 his perpetualâ—y and â—o câ—asâ—en one in his 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is â—o punish hiâ— seveâ—ly 〈◊〉 this â—ite iâ— order 〈…〉 and so concluds wâ—â—â— the following words O Lord 〈◊〉 pâ—eas'd to 〈…〉 in this woâ—ld thâ—â— I 〈◊〉 â—ot wâ—nt thaâ— correctiÌ„g â—ire And it â—hall 〈◊〉 to pâ—sse that he that is leâ—t iâ— zâ—â—â— and â—e that remaineth in Jerâ—salem shaâ—l be call'd â—oâ—y when tâ—e Lord that haâ—e wash'd away the 〈◊〉 of the daâ—gâ—â—ers of zion shall have puâ—g'd the bloâ—d of Jerusalem from the â—idâ—t the â—o by the spirit of jugedment and by the spirit of burning Isaih c. 4. v 3. and 4. which text according to St. Augustin in his 20th book of the City of God c. 25. mâ—â—ns the releasment â—hich souls do get from the burning fire of Purgatory Micah c. 7. v. 7. 8. and 9 â— will look unto the Lord. I will wait for the God of my salvation my God will heare me rejoice not against me O! mine enemy when I fall I shall arise when I sit in darknesse the Lord shall be light onto me I will beare the indignatioÌ„ of the Lord because I have sinn'd against him untill he plead my case and execute judgement for me he will bring me forth to the light and I shall behold his righteousnesse Which words as St. Hierome affirms in his commentary on the last c. of I saiah means the releasment of those souls who do suffer in Purgatory fire Zechariah c. 9. v 11. you also by the blood of they covenant have brought forth your prisoners out of the pâ—t wherein there is no water Sâ— Peteâ— speakïg of those Prisoneâ—s in his 〈◊〉 Ep. c. 3. v. 18. 19 20 sayes thus for christ also hath once suffer'd for sins the just for the unjust that he might briÌ„g us to God beiâ—g put to death in the flesh but quickened by the spirit by which also he went and preach'd unto the spirits in prison which sometimes were disobedâ—ent when once the long suffering of God waited in the dayes of Noah while