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A02990 A friendly triall of the grounds tending to separation in a plain and modest dispute touching the lawfulnesse of a stinted liturgie and set form of prayer, Communion in mixed assemblies, and the primitive subject and first receptacle of the power of the Keyes: tending to satisfie the doubtfull, recall the wandering, and to strengthen the weak: by John Ball. Ball, John, 1585-1640. 1640 (1640) STC 1313; ESTC S122227 213,948 338

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church wherewith the faithfull may hold communion without sin or at least the faithfull may lie hid in such a corrupt society and hold communion with them in the exercises of religion without sin And if the Jews had not power to cast out an offender the materiall part of that church was not visible Saints whom God was pleased to take into covenant but the whole body of the Jewish nation ignorant impenitent prophane obstinate even all that were not cut off by bodily death the sacraments must not be dispensed according to the promise made to the faithfull and their seed but promiscuously to all that came of the loins of Jacob according to the flesh the faithfull might and ought to have communion as one body with the wicked and prophane who remain in unbelief and both revile and persecute the truth Then a company of impenitent sinners might and did remain the true church being to the judgement of men irrecoverable then such as are altogether averse to the end of their holy calling may be received into covenant and though the society be never so much sowred with the unclean conversation of the ungodly yet the faithfull may dip in their meal and live in that society without fear of pollution dishonour to God encouragement to the wicked or scandal to the brethren And what then is become of the heaps of quotations whereby they would prove that the members of the church must be holy visible saints a people converted in covenant separated to the Lord and that the church is onely true whiles it continueth such and false when it degenerateth from this disposition and of their confident arguing That if it were the will of God that persons notoriously wicked should be admitted into the church then should he directly crosse himself and his own ends and should receive into the visible covenant of grace such as were out of the visible state of grace and should plant such in his church for the glory of his name as served for none other use then to cause his name to be blasphemed That all true churches from the beginning to the end of the world are one in nature and essentiall constitution and the first the rule of the rest and if it was not lawfull for the godly to contract with the wicked in the civil covenant of marriage how much more in the religious covenant of the church That God gave unto Abraham and to his family the covenant of circumcision which the Apostle calleth the seal of the righteousnesse of faith And to affirm that the Lord would seal up with the visible seal of the righteousnesse of faith any visible unrighteous and faithlesse person were a bold challenge of the most High for the prophanation of his own ordinances These and many the like are broken to pieces by this observation That the whole nation of the Jews sinfull laden with iniquity corruptours revolters in course of life were Gods separated people by covenant and might lay claim unto and could not be debarred from the visible seals of the righteousnesse of faith though in themselves faithlesse and unrighteous And if it was no pollution to the Jews to suffer notorious wicked ones amongst them so they discharged such other duties as were enjoyned them by the Lord because they had not power to cast them out it is no pollution for private and particular Christians who have not the power of excommunication in their hand given unto them by Christ to suffer such as be ignorant and scandalous to communicate in the ordinances of grace with them if they perform all other duties which God requireth at their hands Moreover if the Jews had not power to cast out a wicked person they had power to cut off the presumptuous and the neglect of the one is as inexcusable as of the other And so the whole controversie turneth upon this one hinge Whether one or two or some few private Christians have power to cast out and excommunicate whole societies churches for some remissenesse or abuse in bearing with or admitting scandalous offenders in the societies so long as the doctrine of grace is purely taught the sacraments rightly administred for substance Christ is pleased to tolerate and bear with their manners continueth the visible signes of his presence among them and is present by speciall grace to blesse his ordinances to the worthy receiver A few words one would think might suffice in this matter but seeing the strength of the cause lieth therein in the chapters following it shall be handled more at large In the church of Corinth there were divisions fects emulations contentions and quarrels and going to law one with another for every trifle and that under the infidels Pauls name and credit was despitefully called in question there whom they should have honoured as a father the resurrection of the dead which is the life of Christianity was denied that wickednesse was winked at there which is execrable to the very heathen the Lords supper was horribly profaned in that some came to it drunken there was fornication and such like sins not repented of things indifferent were used with manifest offense and idolatry committed in eating at the tables of idoles meats sacrificed to devils Notwithstanding all which abuses that societie is called and was the church of God and the faithfull did and might communicate with others without pollution The Galatians had so farre adulterated the Gospel of Christ that the Apostle telleth them they were removed to another Gospel pronounceth that they were bewitched and if they still persisted to joyn circumcision and the works of the law with Christ they were fallen from grace and Christ could not profit them and yet they are called churches of Galatia Ephesus was extremely decayed in her first love she was not onely cooled a little but had left it In Pergamus there were some that held the doctrine of Balaam and of the Nicolaitanes In Thyatira the woman Jezebel was suffered to teach and seduce the servants of Christ Of Sardis the holy Ghost saith she had a name to live but was dead her works were not perfect before God there were but a few there who had not defiled their garments Of Laodicea it is recorded that she was neither hot nor cold and then it is not hard to conceive how she was overgrown with disorders and yet Christ was present with her by his grace and the faithfull are exhorted to repent or beware of her sinne and not to forsake her society Of the abuses in the church of Rome something hath been noted before Of corruptions and disorders in other churches the scriptures give plentifull testimony But you shall never find that the faithfull are warned to separate from the worship of God in these assemblies but to keep themselves pure and undefiled and labour the reformation of others by all means lawfull In the
Understanding Will are called faculties or power Magistracy Principalities Governments we call powers or authorities which import not only might or power to an action but preeminence jurisdiction authority and government Ecclesiasticall power or administration of government is twofold proper to Christ and communicated to his church The proper government is that which Christ hath reserved onely to himself as not being shut up within any bounds of laws or orders revealed unto the creature but is executed according to his infinite wisdome by the secret hand of his Divine power and that both extraordinarily and ordinarily And this power is Lordly and Regall power absolute and of excellency which is called Power of right Communicated government is that which being limited within the compasse of certain laws and canons of his holy word he hath committed to be outwardly executed by the hand of his ministers and churches designed and appointed thereunto This power is ministeriall onely which consisteth in the outward using of the word sacraments c. and in the politicall guiding of the church concerning both the manners and necessities of all and every of them Though this latter part onely of the communicated government which is the politicall guiding of the church is that discipline which generally all ecclesiasticall writers speak of yet is not that all nor the principall of his authority And though Christ useth it many times as a chariot for his holy word to ride upon to subdue rebellious spirits yet it is neither the chief nor the most ordinary means but the simple preaching of the word is his continuall sword and sceptre whereby he saveth his people and conquereth his enemies beateth down strong holds and judgeth the very thoughts and conceits of the heart And this he doth by his word when it is not assisted by the discipline strictly taken for the word may stand without the discipline so cannot the discipline without the word But this ordinary power of the keyes or government with the execution thereof is not given to the community of the church or whole multitude of the faithfull much lesse to two or three separated from the world and gathered together by covenant so as they be the immediate and first receptacle thereof receiving it from Christ and virtually deriving it to others For no power agreeth to the multitude of the faithfull virtuall or formall but that which is given them of the Lord by his positive law The whole spirituall power for the gathering and government of his church is given to Christ as Mediatour and hath Christ our Lord the King of Saints Saviour of Sion the head of all principality and power the sole authour which he received not of the church but from the Father And if the power of the church be derived from and communicated by Christ unto his church of necessity it must draw its originall from Divine positive law and can agree to none but as it is communicated For although the light of nature teach that God is to be worshipped yet in substantiall things reason teacheth not how this worship of God is to be administred nor the house of God to be governed but in all this we must depend upon the mind and pleasure of Christ the King of his church and Saviour of his body The Apostles had none other authority but what was given them from Christ and the church is to derive all her authority from the same fountain from which the Apostles received theirs But the communicated power of the keyes with the execution thereof Christ hath not given immediately to the whole multitude but to some persons and officers designed and appointed thereunto Peruse the severall passages of scripture wherein the power and authority of preaching the Gospel administration of the sacraments binding and loosing is given unto the church and it is apparent distinct severall persons are spoken of and not the whole community Go teach all nations and baptize them Whose sinnes ye remit they are remitted and Feed my sheep Feed my lambs were these things spoken to the whole community or to speciall persons If Christ gave this power to the community or society I desire to know the date of this commission whether was it universall from the very beginning of the church or took it effect aftect churches were planted and established by the Apostles themselves Not the first for then the Apostles themselves should derive their power from the community and society of the faithfull which they did not but immediately from Christ and that both in respect of gifts and graces their calling it self and designation of their persons What Paul saith of himself That he was an Apostle not of man neither by man but by Jesus Christ and God the Father that is true of all the Apostles who were sent of Christ as the Father sent him and are called Apostles of Jesus Christ not onely because they were to preach Christ but because they received their commission from him Not in after-times for then they must shew where Christ committed the power of government first to the Apostles and afterwards to the community of the faithfull for which they can bring no record out of holy scripture The ministers and guides of the church are immediately of Jesus Christ from whom immediately they derive their power and authority by whom they are set over their charge in whose name they must execute their office unto whom they must give an account and whose ministers they are Take heed to your selves and to the whole flock over which the holy Ghost hath made you overseers the Apostle speaketh unto the Presbyters of Ephesus and saith they were appointed overseers of the holy Ghost that they might govern the church of God They were chosen and ordained of men and so by immediety of person were not of God but their gifts office and authority was immediately of God In conferring those offices God useth the ministery of men but the office or authority it self is not from men but from God alone God onely in regard of authority doth ever apply all power ecclesiasticall unto every particular person his sole authority doth all in it though sometimes as in ordinary callings the ministery of others doth concurre When Christ ascended up on high he gave gifts unto men some to be Apostles some Prophets some Evangelists some Pastours and teachers The Pastourship is the gift of Christ no lesse then the Apostleship and that the more because it is perpetuall in the church Every Pastour is not immediately called but the office and order of Pastours is immediately from Christ and not from the church The person is not immediate but the calling or vocation and so the order and authority and all the jurisdiction But if the calling order and authority be immediately from Christ then it is not